Frage von actaion:
From the idea of a favorable business-like.
as test images have shown that the picture quality is not better than the video with my compact clippers, and the photo resolution is too small to be useful, I see no sense in such a cheap part.
Now, it is nevertheless a HD, or at least one with a solid image quality and a usable Still Image function, which further-take with a compact Knipsen spared. (For high-quality image aufnahemn Still, I have a DSLR, it is thus rather than private Erinnerinungsbilder gallery photos).
So far, I have first to Sonygeschaut, as yet the only real night-shot function.
Since I am on the SonyHDR-SR10E encountered.
This has everything what I want:
HD, 4 MP photo resolution, 15x-zoom, Night Shot, optical stabilizer udn with ¬ 500 is still within grade what I can / will.
What allerdisng still bothers me is the memory stick instead of SD cards, which I prefer hätrte, because I always like this anyway because what was (Still Image clippers, Navi, etc.).
Second point: it is quite hefty, as synonymous inside a hard drive is.
I would be synonymous without a Cam FP rich that are narrower.
I would even possibly to renounce Night Shot.
So my question: What are alternatives to Sony10er, which are narrow and have no FP, only SD, but I would otherwise (except Nighshot) all offer what s.der SR10 me like, say:
- 15x-zoom (or more, but in any case, minimum 15x!)
- Good resolution photo (at least 2-3 MP)
- Price max. 500 ¬ (of course like cheaper)
- Good stabilizer
Is there what?
Antwort von Shiranai:
If it is strictly 15-fach Zoom must not come much into question. With HD cams is 10-12-times zoom standard.
Would immediately come to me because the Canon HF200/HF20, also with 15-fold, but not much testing has, however, it is already clear that when Lowlight lagging behind its predecessor.
Otherwise, there are still the Panasonic SD20 (16x) and the JVC HD-HM200 as Zoomkönigin with 20x because you ever have to look after tests.
I would once again with the zoom rethink. Especially in the hands of the blurred picture in spite of such stabilizer zoom quite. If you do not necessarily rely on, so often Fernaufnahmen shoots with Tripod, just 12x zoom.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... 15x-zoom (or more, but in any case, minimum 15x !)... If you want to discuss it in a strong telephoto effect, then denk synonymous but that the zoom factor alone is not necessarily about the image size is specified: it is only designed for a multiple of the shortest focal length of the wide-angle lens. Thus, a 12x zoom with wide Angleam low end telephoto effect more than a 15x zoom with wide strong.
Antwort von PixelPaulchen:
Hello,
I'm synonymous in search of a possible with good image quality, but come to completely different conclusions. I am not convinced that HD is currently the right way.
However, I attach importance to post, cutting in particular. Therefore, I believe the Recording hochkomprimierte not suitable.
Or can someone with the way to cut film with high image quality unf identify appropriate safe storage?
I tend more to miniDV and DV codec.
Greeting
Pixel Paul.
Antwort von Jan:
The new JVC HM 200 is potentially interesting for you - 20x optical zoom, Full HD with 24 Mbit / sec.
Antwort von actaion:
hmm am now come to the alternative: SonyDCR-DVD510.
Does not HD, but otherwise everything that the SR10 has synonymous (same sensor resolution of 2.36 MP). Did synonymous get good test results, and because HD is so synonymous problematic, would be a good SD so many light-but an alternative.
And with 300 ¬, it is surprisingly affordable.
And I UAF the DVD recorder could forgo synonymous, even wanted, if the camera is small and would be cheaper. But something seems to suffer rnicht.
The pure-cards out there, unfortunately, are all poorly equipped (with 2MP sensor, or no real stability, little or zoom). Or really expensive.
The JVC have stable keien right, I did in the store tried.
The Pana 20 has only 1MP aulsöung of the sensor, and are synonymous only low resolution photos. It is actually worse than in all the SR10 (down to just the size kleienr FP-waiver), but trotzdemteurer (probably because new). Is synonymous not the real ...
Ne time supplementary question: If I with less zoom would take, for example, of the CX11 Sony, would be a tele-converter a solution?
For example, this: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=370182493878
or this: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=260386927490
or this? http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/b000e3rqqo/geizhalspre03-21/ref=nosim?m=A3JWKAKR8XB7XF
Bring what? or is the quality with those things so bad that I just set up the synonymous Digital zzom can use the cam?
Antwort von Jan:
The DVD 510 may be so well equipped, but the camera is only one stop from Resolutionvon 720x576 - I would think that for the money. High definition cameras to get for the same money.
Not to mention of the VOB and VRO files to a DVD 510, which could indicate trouble with the video post ....
The HM 200 has a stabilizer, no optical halt as the SR 10 - where lenses are moved - but a digital - where on the sensor surface will offset your movement. Halt not as effective resolution and omnivorous. A digital Stable Sator is already better than None. One may not with digital and optical zoom compare.
Many video cameras have up to 500 ¬ a digital stabilizer, except Panasonic.
From medium telephoto position brings the digital stabilizer of a HM 200 not really much - ok.
Tele converters are, in my opinion even more dangerous in camcorders than at Still Image cameras. In using a high-aperture L Canon Optics and a Vollformatkamera is a (then called extenders) partially useful and not too prejudicial (focus, image quality losses).
With a video camera is in use of Telekonvertern - especially with cheap brands - with huge loss of image quality can be expected.
A Tele is synonymous off plenty of light, and provides in anyway weak consumer camcorders (for interior shots and less light) for chaos.
Digital camcorders is synonymous nor more dangerous, because many digicams have enough resolution to a certain "quantity" s.Digitalzoom to cope, many video cameras to create digital synonymous even without hardly a perfect PAL - 720x576 Picture.
VG
Jan
Antwort von actaion:
Hi Jan,
The DVD 510 may be so well equipped, but the camera is only one stop from Resolutionvon 720x576 - I would think that for the money. High definition cameras to get for the same money. The DVD510 will cost only 300 Euro!
HD is already the SR10 with the cheapest with 500th Jedenffals of those with memory and / or FP.
Not to mention of the VOB and VRO files to a DVD 510, which could indicate trouble with the video post ....
What does that mean now? I think that's so normal MPEG2 DVD format? So far I've only ever read that the HD format are difficult ...
A Tele is synonymous off plenty of light, and provides in anyway weak consumer camcorders (for interior shots and less light) for chaos.
For interior shots, I would indeed not the tele-use Sodern if just for things outside s.die you do not close rankommt (eg birds or other animals).
Digital camcorders is synonymous nor more dangerous, because many digicams have enough resolution to a certain "quantity" s.Digitalzoom to cope, many video cameras to create digital synonymous even without hardly a perfect PAL - 720x576 Picture.
I thought that since DVD510 should still have reserves, because the sensor has 2.36 million pixel, what kind of SD-Cam, is quite a lot. It was my thought that this Cam Converter makes sense.
When digital zoom is actually a Socher Cam of the higher resolution second-hand made?
In principle yes have eich DVD510 even with the 1.7 x digital zoom can be (would be about 25x total), and then the same image quality as with standard SD-Cams, which is only 0.8 MP sensors have?
Or is this a fallacy?
Antwort von Jan:
¬ 300 for a DVD 510? - Is very cheap. The newer 405er already costs 800 ¬.
You probably want the cameras now necessarily bring s.den man. The DVD camcorder sales have fallen.
When the cameras are not content to mpg files or mod files, but how to purchase DVDs to VOB or VRO files. Not every program - especially with VRO files - can handle it.
For a time there was a few months & years, huge problems editing program. Bestsellers Magix company has no long VRO file import support.
Without double layer fit on a DVD, only 20 minutes in the best quality that there is beideseitige DVDs (which you must flip = 40 min). Newer models take the one-sided double layer with 40 minutes - but only once writable.
Yes, light is an important prerequisite for the tele-converter, the mass of users, however, when using a tele-converter and a video camera is picture quality with great losses to be expected. Is like a kind of magnifying glass - each error image is enlarged. Try it yourself halt
Take your time a video camera and go into the digital light, you lose mercilessly. Well just because you Resolutiondranhängt & 720x576 PAL output. In the photo function is already used the entire area.
In a Digifotocam (eg 8 million pixels) can be seen in the digital zoom (1-3x) go without any great loss to have.
VG
Jan
Antwort von actaion:
¬ 300 for a DVD 510? - Is very cheap. The newer 405er already costs 800 ¬.
When the cameras are not content to mpg files or mod files, but how to purchase DVDs to VOB or VRO files. Not every program - especially with VRO files - can handle it.
For a time there was a few months & years, huge problems editing program. Bestsellers Magix company has no long VRO file import support.
Take your time a video camera and go into the digital light, you lose mercilessly. Well just because you Resolutiondranhängt & 720x576 PAL output. In the photo function is already used the entire area.
In a Digifotocam (eg 8 million pixels) can be seen in the digital zoom (1-3x) go without any great loss to have.
Yes, because it is so cheap, I've now ordered it. Even though I am on the DVD part might actually forgo good. But a cam with the equipment at the price I have otherwise not found ...
In the price range I've found nothing else.
That used to be the Programs with the VOB format could not handle, so I can be no preference.
Document eh but mainly use the stick, I think the DVDs and only occasionally.
When my compact (Panasonic LZ5), I've just tested times, one loses when 2x digital zoom during video s.Bildqualität strongly. Although the 6MPSensor has a yes and the video is only 640x480.
Had hoped that that in real video cameras better resolved ...
Well, I will then test times, when the cam is there.
Thank you, Jan, for the hints!
Antwort von Jan:
Yes, that seems to be that video cameras or digicams in the video feature a different area on the chip to use, so it looks horribly out quickly.
VG
Jan
Antwort von actaion:
Cam had been yesterday.
And glad I can be identified: the higher resolution sensor, the quality when using the digital zoom significantly benefit! :)
With a slight digital zoom (; about 1.5 times) is at first sight, no visible quality loss.
With 2x digital zoom it already, but significantly lower than synonymous as my old Panasonic Mini-DV Cam with 800,000 pixels!
Also positive: + PC devour the mini DVD + RW without finalizing synonymous easily.
Antwort von Crookie:
Digital zoom does not count.
Antwort von Yerri:
And glad I can be identified: the higher resolution sensor, the quality when using the digital zoom significantly benefit! :) The higher resolution sensor is only for still image recording in question, and brings to the shoot with the digital zoom nothing. The Picture
must be worse.
Look at some of the data on Page 129 of the manual.
Antwort von actaion:
And glad I can be identified: the higher resolution sensor, the quality when using the digital zoom significantly benefit! :)
The higher resolution sensor is only for still image recording in question, and brings to the shoot with the digital zoom nothing. The Picture must be worse.
The practice says something else.
Here is a picture with the digicam (; LZ5), initially with opt. zoom, then with 1.5 x digital zoom added:
I think you see the waste abundantly qualified.
Now the DVD510 with full zoom, and even then with 1.5-fold to digital:
imho, the quality slopes here are less clear. some cheaper SD makes no digi-ZOM no better pictures.
PS recording in artificial and therefore not optimal from rushing forth.
Antwort von Jan:
Yes, it would be possible.
One says yes synonymous the s.Anfang the signal chain with the full Resolutiongearbeitet is, and the Picture s.Schluss with one to 720x576 is expected. Zb, the JVC in their documents to deutllich, other companies may not otherwise make.
Perhaps I have only synonymous with 800k pixel digital video cameras operated, for me, the digital content has always been taboo, except in s.PC digicam photos.
VG
Jan
Antwort von Yerri:
The practice says something else. The Manual of Sony, but not. And if the above images with the camera in photo mode has been made, it is obviously something else.
Antwort von actaion:
The practice says something else.
The Manual of Sony, but not. And if the above images with the camera in photo mode has been made, it is obviously something else. No, the recordings were made in the video mode, these are snapshots from the video.
And your reference to the manual I do not understand. The manual says absolutely nothing about this, except for video recordings that approximately 1,500,000 pixels of the sensor used.
Antwort von Yerri:
2:36 ... and no million next as you have claimed above. And because if you turn the digital zoom, you can figure out how such a thing on a 42 "device.
Antwort von actaion:
2:36 ... and no million next as you have claimed above. And because if you turn the digital zoom, you can figure out how such a thing on a 42 "device. 2.36 MP are indicated, but "effective" only 1.99 MP. Where as now the exact difference is, I do not know, a lot of light because I can enlighten someone. The photos are of a 4:3 at max resolution, in 16:9 movie, and therefore falls vonm sensor something away, then of the 1.99 or 1.49.
1.5 MP is still far more than will ultimately spend, say Pal DVD Resolutionvon 0.4 MP.
If you with your nose in front 42 "sits, the way or the pixilated, whether digital or not ...
Antwort von Yerri:
If you with your nose in front 42 "sits, the way or the pixilated, whether digital or not ... This can be seen clearly synonymous with a normal viewing distance. Apart from his appointment with the optician confidence .* g *
You're most happy. Am I now out there further explanations seem pointless.
Antwort von Jan:
Digital zoom is for me like a red rag. But nevertheless I would have thought that the image quality of several video cameras, but still would be significantly worse than in actaion images.
VG
Jan
