Frage von deathear:
Hello,
I have the following problem:
Project Idea:
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Concert video with the sound separately aufgeommenen composed.
The files are available to me wav files for the Sound and vob files for the video. Now I have with XILI VIDEO in avi and mov once converted. and although pal-Resolutionmit 25 FPS.
If I were now in Premier Pro CS3 Pro the video with the sound to align, and doing it perfectly, so that the sound with the video begins then is a noticeable delay and observed after approximately 4 minutes, the true picture is no longer agree with the sound ( singer sings softly air with open mouth).
Rendering brings synonymous nix.
Have been synonymous Movies (24 FPS), Pal (24.97 FPS) and NTSC (29.97 FPS) tried, there always remains the same crap.
Can someone explain to me why the video is then s.Anfang synchronously in the middle of the film is no longer (and if I then adjust the middle s.Anfang not more).
It was synonymous nor even mentioned the video and audio are exactly the same length. There are no interruptions or distortions, neither sound nor video.
Why is it ...
Please help ...
Thanks in advance for a few helpful answers. [/ U] [/ b]
Antwort von derpianoman:
... This is synonymous nor even mentioned the video and audio are exactly the same length. There are no interruptions or distortions, neither sound nor video .... [/ u] [/ b] Hello!
Strange, I am synonymous and thus never had problems.
If the files are exactly the same length, then agrees s.Ende again? That would be yes, that one of two times faster - and then
exactly the same "amount" slow "progress (or otherwise rum).
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How was the sound of the?
VG Klaus
Antwort von deathear:
The sound was recorded live, and although of the microphones on the stage.
The camera was affixed in front of the stage, and since it only has a micro is the quality of 5 live mics on stage simply better.
Antwort von bgk:
Hi,
runs after the 4 minutes the picture behind the sound coming from or vice versa? If the time offset linear (DHZB after 4 minutes 1 seconds offset, after 8 minutes 2 seconds, etc.)? How far was the Camera of the stage enttfernt? What was the sound recorded or edited?
Maybe it brings us so next ...
Regards,
BGK
Antwort von deathear:
The time delay is linear.
The picture lags behind the sound, and although I suppose it is s.dass with each second a little bit adds up, or the difference in 1 minute still rather low, at 4 minutes, however, strongly increased by 4 or 5 seconds delayed.
The camera is about 3 meters of the stage away on a tripod or stand. What the Toine was or had been handled, I can not answer, I have the audio output only here with me as a wav file to a burned Audio CD is ripped and she did that video from the vob file ripped and synonymous to mov avi or converted.
Antwort von strike300xxx:
This misalignment is normal.
Professional productions therefore work with Gen Lock, or make a Clock On.
The only thing you left is the offset, on average, to correct, if you have a second camera to cut it.
best greetings
Antwort von derpianoman:
This misalignment is normal ...
Professional productions therefore work with Gen Lock, or make a Clock On.
The only thing you left is the offset, on average, to correct, if you have a second camera to cut it.
best greetings Of course, a synchronization state of the art ".
But two digital recording devices (eg DAT + Camera Recorder)
have almost no variations in the playback.
I myself have two devices, for example times (ADAT + DAT recorder)
together and had started after 40 min maybe 2 frames
Offset.
I think real-time playing time =
So you can (as I do synonymous) "" Stone Age "" synchronize.
It could look like with a tape deck difficult.
That is certainly not accurate gaaaaaaanz.
But all of our "digital friends" should do.
LG! Klaus
Antwort von thos-berlin:
The runtimes are exactly the same length, it is somehow irritating. If the device is started and stopped at the same time? I can not really imagine. Or do you have files already operate in the same period trimmed? No matter.
I make these picture-sound combinations synonymous (sit straight s.einer). Picture-and-recordings with DV, while multi-track audio recording for corrections s.PC.
... for me as a wav file on a burned CD AUDIO lie .... The source material is a CD. The WAV file is likely to be synonymous with 41st kHz sample rate and is added to the timeline laid, there is often a linear deviation - as you describe it.
My experience is:
If the WAV file with 48 kHz sample rate (the same sample rate, as in the video) recorded and inserted, then opens it.
Wandle they possibly with a (free) Audi tool in 48 kHz. Try it out if the offset is still there.
Alternatively, you may also synonymous try to calculate the deviation and the WAV file (also with an audio tool) depending on the maturity to adapt.
Antwort von derpianoman:
... Or do you have files already operate in the same period trimmed? ... Of course, right? State but above that both files are of equal length,
So s.Ende again arrive at the same time. "
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Antwort von thos-berlin:
The question is, of course, "How?"
The Treadstarter has not ensured that both files simultaneously arrive. That was your assumption in your first reply.
It is only a linear variation of the speech.
... Video s.Anfang synchronously is in the middle of the film is no longer (and if I then adjust the middle s.Anfang not more ... If we have the presumption, there is for me USDI the following two options:
Version 1)
- It was on video a starting point and an endpoint set.
- It has been reported in the WAV file is the starting point and sought both points in the timeline on top of each other.
- At the end of the video the sound is synonymous truncated.
Both files are (in the timeline) the same length, but not at the same event.
Version 2
- It was on video a starting point and an endpoint set. The length was noticed.
- In an audio tool is the starting point and now sought the Daeuer video added. That will end as genonnem. The file will be saved and in the editing program imported.
Both files are in your editing program of the same length and at the same event, but now in a different Timlin ends.
In both cases, a compression / expansion tool in an audio sense. (Three-pronged approach should be used for the calculation of the factor to be dominated).
Alternatively, you can synonymous in the timeline as needed every 5-10 minutes in length times a picture or sound Picture removed. While some "brutal" but can be synonymous help ....
Antwort von vaio:
"The files are available to me wav files for the Sound and vob files for the video. Now I have with XILI VIDEO in avi and mov once converted. And although pal-Resolutionmit 25 FPS. " Convert your material in order to PAL 50i.
Gruß Michael
Antwort von derpianoman:
... It was synonymous nor even mentioned the video and audio are exactly the same length ... Who can read is a clear advantage ...
Antwort von derpianoman:
A Picture says more than 1000 words. According to his description
sees its audio timeline so. Equal length (!), But not synchronously:
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Antwort von deathear:
Hello,
ok many contributions but I do not know whether they really help.
I have a question about a few of your responses:
QUOTE:
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"This shift is normal.Professionelle productions therefore work with Gen Lock, or make a clock ein.Das thee only thing left is the offset, on average, to correct, if you have a second camera to cut it."
What is Gen lock, and why because a 2nd camera, the video is like 20 minutes the recording eg 18 min. Now I search s.Minute 10th at minutes 9 Video and Sound in the bodies out the match and put it on top of each other (as a break in the concert was, it is easy to merge). What is there now a 2nd camera.
QUOTE number 2 :
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"The exact terms are of equal length, is somewhat irritating. If the devices are simultaneously started and stopped? I can not really imagine. Or do you have files already operate in the same period trimmed? Anyway."
I've adjusted the times, it is synonymous not about whether, after 10 minutes both things (audio and video simultaneously) to stop, but that after 4 minutes has a displacement of a few seconds there.
QUOTE number 3:
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"Of course, right? State but above that both files are of equal length,
So s.Ende again arrive at the same time "
Both files are the same length, but s.Ende just not simultaneously s.da yes anything goes wrong I do not understand, because they basically have the same length.
And to the 41 Khz to 48 Khz sound importance to me only say that the files have 48 KHz. So what pal 50i is white and I do not like this format, I know I do not synonymous!
If anyone knows the Council would be really cool.
So again quickly summarized:
A concert. recorded with and with sound recordings of all the microphones on stage. Video. Vob in avi or mov converted. Audio CD to wav and converted in Premier CS3 inserted. Video duration same time as audio, insert in the Premier but it is no longer synchronously.
All clear
bis denne
Antwort von bgk:
@ Pianoman:
Well then it's quite simple: he needs only the r re s.die right place to move ... :-) * SCNR *
@ deathear:
Well, if Sound and Picture is always next to the rear diverging, runs one of the two apparently for some reason too fast (or slow).
For the sake of simplicity it will be useful, your soundtrack in an audio editor of your choice according to speed up or slow down so that they return to the speed of the video fits. The Of thos-berlin-called triple (synonymous final) may be really helpful ...
Or, stop audio and video times with other programs / settings of the wheels move ...
Hdh,
BGK
Antwort von deathear:
What are good programs to rip video or sound?
Use the latest version of Xilisoft Video and
SonyAcid studio for audio ripping.
Antwort von derpianoman:
What does, the files are "equal"?
For me, for example, that from the first drum "Einklicker"
hands until the last merge noise ( "Applause")
Video and Audio as synonymous exactly 1hr 37 min and 27.3 seconds long.
The video man is of course still filmed, how the people from
Hall went and ran the sound s.Anfang already
as the bass player was still on Klo.
If the naive assumption that you have corrected the two?
The fact that you two "flaps" have sought,
of where to where the "real time" should go on your concert?
If you've done that, you must (as described) by
3, sentence one of the two speeds correct.
Or (as described above, I just made synonymous,
because 1NE source was an analog cassette) s.and s.mal
a Främchen rauslöschen!
Poste doch mal a screenshot of your audio tracks!
LG Klaus
Antwort von vaio:
"... So what pal 50i is white and I do not like this format, I know I do not synonymous!" Under "Advanced Profile Settings" you can verify this format. Since the SW I do not know, I have researched a bit and found this link (
"Device parameters" button):
http://www.xilisoft.de/video-converter/tutorial.html#s1
Furthermore, this is just an idea, synonymous'm not a professional ...
Normally there is a PAL-Picture from 50 fields (Fields). When the conversion is now the video is converted in full (25 p), the film is the same length, but only because of 25 fields according to 25 frames have been made. I can imagine that with an external source and the long term lip almost lost and the picture with the sound "runs apart." But like I said, I'm not a professional and prefer even this possibility into account ...
Gruß Michael
Antwort von deathear:
Hello,
So did with Pal50 i tried, but it has brought nothing!
Antwort von thos-berlin:
Thus, we must do well but the audio file to be adjusted. The details are well known.
My approach (as described above):
Picture it, as it is, the sound in its length to adjust.
Both tracks so that they begin at the same event. Then cut two tracks so that when the same event. Now they are in the timeline is no longer the same length!
The required part of the audio track as a WAV export and in the free tool Audacity audio capture.
You just have to know how long the file should be. Here the clip in full length and highlight the effect "speed change" option. In the lower part of the mask is the length of the marker indicates the right side you can use the "desired length" input. A three-pronged approach in this case is not even necessary.
The file will change in length now and should be under a new name. This revised file instead of the original file back into the editing program insert.
Of course, the workflow can be synonymous varierren and a factor for the change in length and determine the raw WAV file subjugate the procedure. Then the factor but must be calculated. The variant with the desired length of Eigabe is simply beautiful ....
But who is interested:
If the complete WAV file until the maturity to adapt and then editing program to crop, you must reckon with the factors.
You can change the speed Audacity synonymous in% enter. A positive indication, the pace is greater, the playing time is shorter. A negative value and the pace is slower so that the playing time longer.
Example with factors:
Example 1, video more than audio
The video is 1260 seconds long, matching the audio portion 1200th Divide Audio Video by time period, ie 1200 through 1260 (rounded result 0.952).
The deviation is below 0.048, or -4.8%. The audio file must be "slower", so is the factor in Audacity -4.8 entered. (You can see the change at the bottom of the box for the new length)
Example 2 is shorter than audio video
The video is only 1100 seconds, the audio portion 1200th The resulting factor is 1.091, the deviation is 0.091 above or 9.1%.
Antwort von deathear:
Hi, So I have this concert recording again with help of your tips under the microscope.
If I only time a 10 minute frequency and the same rausnehme add sound, I even before I join the finds that the sound at 12 seconds shorter than the video file.
So now I wonder how that ever since that may be the same cut from the same concert different length. Because there are interruptions zwischendrinnen not, because the delay percentage is rising.
If I adjust the sound then renew or Shorten that video then it is true but not, perhaps s.ende but not s.Anfang or in the middle.
Antwort von thos-berlin:
Video shorten is Schmarn (unless you take time out a single picture).
If the audio part, like of me described. Then (after alignment) and the beginning of the end fitting (or I did not correct the formula derived, or you've cleared). Have you after the audio. Überhaupt processing detected a change?
12 seconds to 10 minutes is pretty slanted. I have in the last Project every 10 minutes 2-3 had offset images. That I was able to break through in small sections and fine adjust Correct. The correction by audio-length change in Audacity for me was much too costly.
More displacement, it should actually not be. How was the recording itself actually carried out?
Antwort von deathear:
Hello,
QUOTE: "Picture it, as it is, the sound in its length to adjust.
Both tracks so that they begin at the same event. Then cut two tracks so that when the same event. Now they are in the timeline is no longer the same length!
The required part of the audio track as a WAV export and in the free tool Audacity audio capture. "
Can you give me again a little more accurately explain how you do that.
From which tracks since the speech? So I have the video file and audio file and then I put video on video track and audio track. But water is because I cut, I put the same audio file yet a third time on it or what (ie double or extra track). And when I cut so that both of them with the same beginning and end are linked then they are so precisely In the timeline the same length.
Am a bit of hard word, so please explain again!
I've checked again, the difference after 8:30 minutes, 6 seconds (ie the video is lagging behind).
Antwort von deathear:
here a screenshot of the original video file above then the sound file associated with the video is linked at the bottom and find the wav file that has been Microphone. Ic hhabe cuts set so that you easily can recognize the Vesatz. As I said 12 seconds to 9 minutes.
Antwort von thos-berlin:
The thing with the cuts is great as a reference point.
Your 2 is the audio track to adjust. Interesting would be invisible to the right part of the timeline, where you get the difference between images and Kameraton and the Zusatzton see. Audio 2 is shorter than Video 1 and Audio 1st (Must be, because all your "reference cuts" are before the corresponding cut in video 1 So synonymous must be the last cut before the last cut of the video 1.
Can you with your editing program only Soundtrack Audio 2 export? ( "My" Liquid can do) If yes, do das If no, you do something to improve your prepared Audio 2 out of bounds. It is important that you just get the "Nutzton" EDR Audio 2 exportierst, ie the part between the beginning and the last cut in 2nd Audio
How you always synonymous edited Audio 2 now from your editing system is out've no preference. You need them now in an audio program anpaassen, such as in my previous posting with Audacity described.
Then add it as an Audio 3 again. If we have not cleared, the audio should now be 3, the same length as Video 1 and Audio 1,. If so, you can delete or Audio 2 off. If not yet, next adjust ....
Antwort von deathear:
Hello,
I can not because in Premier Pro CS3 shorten the audio file associated with the speed option (I've already tried synonymous but not to the desirable outcome). Soni With Acid Pro 7.0 that can be synonymous, but if you then want to change the tempo then starts the program at 120.00 s.zu count.
If I were Prime Minister in the audio file of the video file of the length he agrees vielleict then adjust the start after a 1ner minutes later but it hangs up it again s.Ende capture.
Antwort von thos-berlin:
Premiere I have no idea. But when it comes to premiere went wrong, why you try my workaround is not enough? At least you have not written so far! Audacity is free software, it costs you nothing ....
Somehow I feel even verscheißert before, if I give a hint that probably not tried but is instead something else is tried, which does not work ....
A "Thank you, I've tried the tip, but it is not" or a "Thanks, I've tried the tip, works" in any case would be an adequate appreciation of my efforts have been.
If you have any other means but the beginning and end and still did the same in the middle of variances, then the effect is anything but linear. Then maybe my tip synonymous not materialize.
Then remains only to examine how the non-linear deviations could. Gabe is the problems with the recording? If the recording does not run correctly or does the transformation from the VOB into a cutting-air format error?
Do you have the opportunity to DVD with the times Picture 'quick and dirty "yourself and the analogous result with the changed files to compare?
Otherwise, only the costly repair manual. Every few minutes a piece Sound Picture or remove (a maximum of two images), or duplicate, so the non-linear displacement in the years to come.
The lip remains bearable because synonymous in "real life" picture and sound will not exactly be synchronously.
