Frage von Flipser:
Hello! So, my first contribution in this forum.
Since many years I am a passionate filmmaker and know michi between somewhat but with video cut out. Only with one thing I have never been clearly and am not synonymous of: speed. So in terms of heart and Time codes and then next. Maybe I find my current problem to find an answer:
I have a Theaterauffuehrung added. With two cameras (Panasonic NV-GS 400-closeups / Panasonic nv ds 28 - Total) that nv ds 28, connected directly to the mixer, the other micro s.ein (sennheiser micro-directional). Now was it so that the sound from the mixer was not used because the input level is too low and set the indicative micro hums and growls so loudly that the sound is also scrap.
That's why I mitgschnittenen the sound mixer on CD worried, just as in any other contribution described. And just like in this post, there is a problem with the clip. One Camera is slower than the other run (or other fast, which I do not) and the sound of the CD is again different. Additionally, shifting the sound of the nv ds 28 more and more, depending on the next record Mac. So I play on the computer and then Where is the sound sometimes by several seconds. But after some time. I think the first 10 minutes are not on, but then remembers mans. Aaaalso .... s.was is this? Take cameras with various speeds on? Why is the sound of the CD different? Why shift to the sound of the nv ds 28? means that the camera takes the ton slower than the visual? I ware very grateful for answers to this question I have for a long time! Thank you!
Viele Gruesse
Flips
Novel end.
Antwort von Markus:
Hello Roman,
Camcorders are internal switched and the recording speed (in frames per second) may vary depending on quality and functionality of the clock fluctuate. Draws a camcorder instead of 25.00 fps with only with 24.98, then runs the synchronicity s.Computer, for both shots exactly 25.00 fps really apart.
As the sound together with the picture is taken, there seems to be synonymous with increasing maturity as a shift to come. The difference between two MiniDV camcorders should not, however, already after 10 minutes abundantly visible or audible!
Why is the sound of the CD different? The sampling rate of CD is 44.1 kHz, the recording of a DV camcorder, however, at 32 or 48 kHz. If the negative adjustment made to run as synonymous here the sound apart.
BTW: It's called Hertz / Hz
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Antwort von maus1208:
1) the extent okay - thanks!
I can Hertz because the number of CD s.die the camcorder somehow adapt or ware it s.besten speed control simply by a few per cent or add redezieren?
2) Okay, that the two different fast camcorder seems s.der relatively unpraeziesen technology to lie. But why move the sound synonymous with the recording of a camcorder? When I look at the mini DV tape on the camcorder itself anschauen Picture and sound are always synchronously. But after I use the material via direct recording on Final Cut Pro on the Mac take over, is the sound after a few minutes significantly delayed. What might be the only lie?
Flips (I warn flips, not novel - I just thought that my novel-to jeztz question is :-))
Antwort von Markus:
1) [...] I can Hertz because the number of CD s.die customize the camcorder somehow ...? Yes, it works with some audio editing programs such as Adobe Audition. As can the sampling rate of 44.1 kHz to 48 kHz high-let, without causing an audible sound degradation or a maturity comes change.
2) [...] But when I use the material via direct recording on Final Cut Pro on the Mac take over, is the sound after a few minutes significantly delayed. Oh, the sound moves to the same video camcorder? Then I was misunderstood. The only reason that I spontaneously einfiele, would be the absence of a logical connection between the picture and the accompanying sound of a DV recording. Professional DV format (DVCAM example) have on the other hand, a so-called locked audio, so it does not lead to a shift may occur.
I, however, even with DV images never seen such a large drift (actually no significant) came in, so I would as a cause hintenanstellen times. Maybe someone else knows more about something, particularly synonymous to cooperate with the Mac?
Flips (I warn flips, not novel - I just thought that my novel-to jeztz question is :-)) Okay, genehmingt.
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Antwort von WoWu:
@ Flips
... it sounds quite then, as if in the settings of Final Cut Pro do not agree with your recording true. Or when capturing is wrong. Normally run Sound and Picture is always synchronously.
Show times synonymous in the raw material of your camera, maybe with a camera was actually a different sampling frequency and is now in the Final Cut Pro course in a different format ... must then be asynchronously. Give a look through the details.
Antwort von WoWu:
... oh, something else ..
... if you but the sound of the CD anyway take, then make the whole project but audiomäßig at 44.1 and forget the Kameraton. Then you lay the pictures on the sound s.and ready. What should be the final product because? DVD?
Antwort von DWUA:
@ Flips:
www.finalcutpro.de
(please no "Roman")
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Antwort von Markus:
... then make the whole project but audiomäßig at 44.1 and forget the Kameraton. If the final product is a DVD or to DV is played, the sound would have anyway to be 48 kHz. What is then the difference with the before-adjustment?
Antwort von WoWu:
This is of course not because if you <sowohl> to PCM sound like, you'll get to Umsamplen not come around, but if you go to DVD, you are in MPEG2 Layer 1 uA komp. to 44.1 ... should not be a problem.
Antwort von Markus (unangemeldet):
I demanded synonymous information according to MPEG audio at 48 kHz. One of my sources:
Antwort von WoWu:
Hi Markus,
My information: MPEG-1 defined in three layers, called (the consecutive practices comply) procedures for the Compression of max. 2 channels with sampling rates of 32, 44.1 or 48 kHz and a fixed or variable bit rates of 32 to 448 kbit / s in layer I, up to 384 kbit / s in layer II and up to 320 kbit / s in layer III.
And when we talk about MPEG-2 so the MPEG Audio Layer 1, Layer II here
That is why I see no reason for the order-sampling ... and certainly not up to 48 kHz ... even with the AIFF, I would not go to the DVD but a compressed format would make it an ACC or an MP3 ... especially when it comes to spoken text ...
So, in 44.1 edit and then when you export a custom sound out of it ... s.auf and the DVD ...
Antwort von WoWu:
... oh .. Spelling errors before someone feels called: AAC course must read ..
Antwort von Flipser:
wow, many many thanks for the reply!
because of the camcorder: exactly when I filmed the material on the camcorder look, there will be tonverschiebung None. only about the play. I had earlier with Final Cut Express HD cut because there was a problem already synonymous. since I am with the pro cut version, it is me after every recording indicated that the audio is not with the rate of the video materials match. but in the settings I just do not think about setting ...
I should be okay so the whole project with 44.1 intersect? what does this mean? There is a setting somewhere-anything on 44.1 or make something? sry I am with this whole hertzkram not so familiar ....
Ah yes, the final product will be a dvd, just the usual process - from my final cut and export chapter markers in iDVD menu - burn.
thank you all for your reply! Flips
Antwort von WoWu:
.. I had you understood that you have the picture and sound of the CD already in Final Cut Pro did. Switch easily from the other soundtracks, then you have it may still be used as a reference. Drop the Picture s.and reasonable mach your cuts. When exporting via Compressor do you sound just to AAC or MP3.
More müstest You really do not ... Now the project should run.
Antwort von Flipser:
yes in the first line I want to have the sound of the cd, but that's not 100 percent. I also thought it would s.einfachsten when all lanes are running at the same speed.
So: is it in this instance s.besten, anything by speed control and then adjust percentage to be cut?
Flips
Antwort von WoWu:
I would because nothing can run faster. This has several disadvantages.
If the sound on some. 10 min run synchronously, I was, if you are not already the opportunity to hear him s.den image slices to take me all of 5 or 6 minutes to choose a job where I do a brief Sound Editor and it can create.
Make that a few times and the sound is clean again, without you the dasd "Gefriekel" with speed and searched after the offset of the pitch during a gate disturbs.
I would post the first time cut and see what you'll ever have the "leading" Sound and the rest did, I would then create.
Antwort von Flipser:
agrees this is certainly the best. I just wanted to here and there the sound mixing times (ie of the cameras and of the cd), sometimes extends to the quality of. and if I use two different fast-running tospuren, then listen to after a few minutes, that was not true. it just sounds strange, because the tone for a few frames is moved. after 10 minutes then you will just echo this effect ....
Flips
Antwort von WoWu:
... I said so, but make the first rough cut to see s.welcher body überhaupt ein effekt occurs. The relevant points behind, you can still order-sample or run faster. this saves you an enormous amount of work but because you do not have to prepare everything. quite apart from the times that you have when you get two identical tones mixed together anyway a "phasing" get the intensity you need to edit .. and this is accurate at yourself running machines go so that you as a drift drin hast.
So ... make the cut first and see what still remains as a problem ...
Antwort von Flipser:
okay, then I do now first look ahead and then had run. maybe because then yes again to a question ... thank you all for your reply! Flips
