Frage von Pianist:
Fine reading s.alle good day!
Has anyone practical experience with the relatively new combination of Avid Media Composer "software only" in connection with the Mojo SDI?
Specifically I am interested in the quality of moving and moving writings imported photos and graphics, synonymous in conjunction with the built-Boris. That the rest of anything goes, I go like this anyway, because I myself over the last ten years have Avid. It has in the above areas, however, some weaknesses, which is probably now no longer give. So my concern is whether there is a slight "bucking" or whether it looks really clean soft movements.
Matthias
Antwort von PowerMac:
I would Mojo SDI of the refrain. This is designed to SD. Even if you do not believe, but HD is growing. Also train your image movies are soon to be HD. In two to three years, then nothing more with your Beta SP or SD;) An MC with Mojo is a great investment that you no longer as fast reinkriegst.
So an MC or MC Adrenaline DVXel software if only HD via Firewire. Or a FCS with DeckLink HD card. This is with s.günstigsten distance. Examples: http://www.dieagenten.de/systeme.htm
Lately, I have you in the other thread indeed shown that it is synonymous is much cheaper. Instead of expensive RAIDs for pharmacists prices to buy even better together. And RAM / buy software separately.
Antwort von Pianist:
I would Mojo SDI of the refrain. This is designed to SD. Even if you do not believe, but HD is growing. I know - and that is why I find this solution is so good, because I am so in all future eventualities'm prepared. I decide in two years for an XDCAM HD, is also a professional disc drive installed, and if I sign up for the HD Ikegami Editcam decide, a Field-Pak adapter installed. Software, I can all the data processing in any case, whether Mpeg HD or DNxHD. The Mojo Box, I need only to connect to existing analog environment. I therefore assume that the new square cut back ten years will run.
Therefore, a Final Cut Pro on Mac-based solution does not synonymous, because I then DNxHD standard missing and I also with the Avid had no acceptance problems.
In the HP Workstation can also next to the system disk, four more panels are installed, so you may as wonderful a RAID-5 implemented. The offer for the entire system is at 14,000 EUR (HP workstation system with plate and 4x500 GB, Avid Software, Mojo SDI, 24-inch HP monitor, Wacom tablet) and hence almost exactly in half of the things I ten years ago have paid.
Matthias
Antwort von PowerMac:
Acceptance problems? Your self-esteem for breakfast eaten?
DNxHD is obviously synonymous with report s.Mac with Final Cut Pro. DNxHD is basically just a codec. There are so synonymous MC software only for OS X.
Antwort von PowerMac:
And your mojo costs almost 3000 euros for analog connections and little computing power. This goes with a DeckLink card for 300 euro synonymous.
Antwort von Pianist:
Acceptance problems? Your self-esteem for breakfast eaten? Everybody knows Avid and Final Cut Pro would be explained, so reluctantly. I myself have nothing against, but I know that I am so into the ongoing discussions house hole.
Moreover, I have some applications that only run under Windows, and on my desktop Mac, so that I get no Windows Calculator and more would have an additional Windows calculator should stand. Therefore I would like the Windows Calculator s.Schnittplatz happy again against such a substitute.
And the most important reason: The company where I have been very many years, my technique to buy and care leave, has no knowledge of Mac and Windows-only builds systems.
Matthias
Antwort von Pianist:
And your mojo costs almost 3000 euros for analog connections and little computing power. This goes with a DeckLink card for 300 euro synonymous. Precisely not. Or say times exactly what you mean. I need inputs and outputs for composite, Y / C, component and SDI. And of course, sound. HD should be purely and since none out, because I do not think that I have something like DVCPro HD or HDCAM acquisition, where I would need a CNAC, which I wrote earlier.
Matthias
Antwort von Bernd E.:
that I have some applications that only run under Windows, and on my desktop Mac, so that I get no Windows Calculator and more would have an additional Windows calculator should stand But you already know that you have Windows synonymous on any current Mac can run? Additional Windows Calculator to do this you need not in any event.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von Pianist:
But you already know that you have Windows synonymous on any current Mac can run? Additional Windows Calculator to do this you need not in any event. I'm not a big fan of me relief constructions have any emulations to build. Furthermore, I then get on the Internet all the problems in the house which I have never had. So far, my line was as follows: Mac on the desktop and with an Internet connection. Dadrauf do I edit my mail, my word, some graphic stuff and since I surf the Internet. The cut space (Windows NT) are completely separated, with no connection to the internet and no network connection. Dadrauf I cut the film, doing the sound mixing and synonymous my bookkeeping.
Exactly these good separation, I would like to retain. Why do you want me because in the Mac direction bring? If there are good reasons, I hear the likes of me, but so far nothing I could read. I have nothing against against a Mac and Final Cut Pro, but the reasons which led me to an Avid system can remain in Windows, I have already enumerated. I am really happy to convince, but please with very clear arguments.
BTW: My original question of the quality of moving graphics and fonts could obviously still None answered.
Matthias
Antwort von sensjens@gmx.de:
Hi Matthias.
Text editing is not a problem as jerky nix.
Outward and return the system crashes s.wenn mode you are in effect and have too much effect ne Stanze (spectra matte) is.
Gruss
Jens
Antwort von Pianist:
Text editing is not a problem as jerky nix.
Outward and return the system crashes s.wenn mode you are in effect and have too much effect ne Stanze (spectra matte) is. Because of this you know very detailed problem, I assume that you have with this system working. Are there still other things, before the purchase to be observed? Something what is not? Incidentally, I use very little effects that would be a maximum of times to experiment, the whole picture a little more specific "look" to miss, but very carefully.
My question of the quality of animated fonts and logos of the way, is because that is the only area that my ten years old Avid MCXpress (with Truevision Targa 1000 Pro), despite Boris simply not controlled. Fortunately I never needed scrolling credits.
Matthias
Antwort von k90:
There are several annoying, for example, Media Creation settings that are always on DV Resolutionumstellen and after rendering you think:
Shit, forget zukontrollieren!
Also makes the RAID problems here, is now the second and the third time within ne hard drive replaced because it is happy about NEN support contract.
How is everything even if you zusammenstellung I can not judge
but I did here ONLY of Avid supports the spins and stuff around ...
Jens
Antwort von Pianist:
How is everything even if you zusammenstellung I can not judge, but I got here ONLY of Avid supports the spins and stuff around ... Mmmmhhhh ... So my Berliner Dealers, synonymous with it for the works has already many systems built and sold, yet it did not have problems. I am eager to further comments. Your Calculator is an HP XW 8400?
Matthias
Antwort von sensjens:
xw 8200th I've got the stuff but not self-selected.
Seats just a fait accompli by other people.
Apart from the aforementioned works, however, everything.
Jens
Antwort von PowerMac:
But you already know that you have Windows synonymous on any current Mac can run? Additional Windows Calculator to do this you need not in any event.
I'm not a big fan of me relief constructions have any emulations to build. (...) This is no emulation, no auxiliary structure and about as heavy as a reboot. Mac OS X obviously has some advantages, such as widgets, Spotlight (a quick search metadata Bank), the integration of Apple's programs and general stability. Pros about 10,000 smaller objects in the system. In addition, a similarly expensive Mac Pro.
Antwort von Pianist:
This is no emulation, no auxiliary structure and about as heavy as a reboot. Mac OS X obviously has some advantages, such as widgets, Spotlight (a quick search metadata Bank), the integration of Apple's programs and general stability. Pros about 10,000 smaller objects in the system. In addition, a similarly expensive Mac Pro. The price is not everything, that's true. But again the question: What really speaks against Avid Windows-based? I doubt not that Final Cut Pro on Mac-synonymous base works well, but why should not my solution work well? I'm always grateful for any hints.
In my view, this discussion but similarly helpful as a discussion between Audi, BMW and Mercedes fans ... :-)
Matthias
Antwort von PowerMac:
Operation is synonymous a Lada. Only you s.Mac just functions that directly impact on productivity.
Why no MC + Avid Mojo? Because it is synonymous for half of the money goes and thus have the same HD.
Antwort von Pianist:
Why no MC + Avid Mojo? Because it is synonymous for half of the money goes and thus have the same HD. At the same HD? What exactly do you want me to say? I just do not understand it. I am with both systems for HD-equipped to the same extent. And for half of it as nothing, a Mac system costs below the line exactly the same as you on the page of the Munich synonymous provider immediately see.
I stress again: Of course I like the Mac and would generally synonymous nothing against Mac / Final Cut Pro. But I just think that for me the Avid Windows-based fits better. Of this, I would just move away when I get very specific tangible disadvantages disclosed.
Matthias
Antwort von PowerMac:
Ich hab das doch schonmal vorgerechnet:
http://forum.slashcam.de/viewtopic.php?p=189144 # 189144
Antwort von Pianist:
Ich hab das doch schonmal vorgerechnet:
http://forum.slashcam.de/viewtopic.php?p=189144 # 189144 I know that is not so long ago. Let your calculated as 6.500 EUR basis. Now there is EUR 1.150 for a 23-inch Cinema Display to 750 Euros for a new Wacom tablet, then I need an additional license Photoshop (900 EUR) for Mac, because I only have a Windows license, Also, I know the capabilities of the final-cut package is not, perhaps, there is still a Boris needed for 2,000 EUR. And it set records for the Windows and other applications.
That makes even more together than 11,000 EUR and I have still the problem that I as an old SCSI scanner no longer use it. And mine is synonymous not quite clear where the eight panels are to be accommodated without an external RAID. And I could never say, such as Final Cut Pro with the DNxHD codec bypasses. And I was in Berlin not a reliable advisor. Finally then, the thing that I no longer can simply say: I cut on an Avid, but I need the people who ask first explain.
Mir are too many question marks. But I am happy to continue to convince, I would indeed have an optimal solution. Can Final Cut Pro at the same time because the movie will play and record sound? (Voice recording in real time mix).
Matthias
Antwort von Pianist:
DNxHD is obviously synonymous with report s.Mac with Final Cut Pro. Synonymous with report or read?
Matthias
Antwort von Pianist:
An MC with Mojo is a great investment that you no longer as fast reinkriegst. Why? If after 15 days of pay cut, and I have already for this year, although is only January.
So an MC or MC Adrenaline DVXel software if only HD via Firewire. They again demanded precisely because I am so busy have not yet: What could (s.für me relevant matters) an Adrenaline (and then still differentiate between synonymous and without DVxcel) more than the Mojo-Box? I do not need a HD-SDI (will never have HDCAM VTR) and I do not need a large number of uncompressed real-time data streams. Otherwise, even a difference?
Matthias
Antwort von PowerMac:
Component and HD-SDI in / out. I have not synonymous HDCAM VTR. But it can happen that one borrows or receives material directly delivered (via camera or portable MAZ). And you can run a HD monitor.
The DVXel brings computing power just yet. Under estimation is not. Compositing and Titling HD is four to five times as much s.Daten. This must not be complicated stuff. A little Picture in Picture, NEN Titler drauf, color correction and NEN Glow and nothing works anymore. And that's nothing special.
Antwort von Pianist:
Component and HD-SDI in / out. I have not synonymous HDCAM VTR. But it can happen that one borrows or receives material directly delivered (via camera or portable MAZ). And you can run a HD monitor.
The DVXel brings computing power just yet. Under estimation is not. Compositing and Titling HD is four to five times as much s.Daten. This must not be complicated stuff. A little Picture in Picture, NEN Titler drauf, color correction and NEN Glow and nothing works anymore. And that's nothing special. Times I will clarify to what extent because later upgrades are possible. Because I see that first there is no need. So far I am accustomed to all the fonts and effects to render. The future is in the SD field away, and if the HD field to be rendered more will certainly not be as long as the SD on my old system. And when I look at HDCAM rausspielen must, I can synonymous with a hard drive somewhere else to go. So far I still can not see why I spend almost the double aim.
Matthias
Antwort von PowerMac:
Right. With Final Cut Pro system would indeed synonymous only one fourths of one DVXel pay.
Antwort von Pianist:
Right. With Final Cut Pro system would indeed synonymous only one fourths of one DVXel pay. But why do I save in Final Cut Pro all this additional hardware? But just because the whole system (no preference whether HD or SD) works exclusively uncompressed and therefore had to be less. But this means that I have much more disk space is required, the synonymous again a bunch of money it cost, if I run as an external RAID. The four panels in the HP Workstation are quite inexpensive.
And again: Can Final Cut Pro DNxHD files an Ikegami HD Editcam read? I have so far of anyone receiving a binding statement. From my viewpoint, the Avid-specific. And then there is still the point that the supplier does not trust my Mac systems and builds on the Munich I would be instructed.
Matthias
Antwort von PowerMac:
I answer in detail later. Final Cut Pro is not so exotich how you represent it. There are dozens of dealers in Germany, the Final Cut Pro systems put together. And many broadcasters and production companies use Final Cut Pro. This gabs a few weeks ago a thread. And why you connect Final Cut Pro and uncompressed? Uncompressed makes for HDCAM (-SR) s.meisten sense.
Antwort von JackJohnson:
So apart from the fact that the original question, I unfortunately can not answer synonymous (do not have a Mojo SDI), I would not let ravish my usual editing software to change.
The question Mac / PC is certainly debatable, since a Mac Pro is currently in Comparison to a xw8400 better price / performance ratio and beyond just a full fledged PC synonymous substitute (an extra base on a Windows PC is definitely not necessary and because Windows native on the system is running is not the synonymous emulation - sometimes, apart from the BIOS, which should be emulated, since the more advanced Windows EFI is not "tolerate"), but everything else is in my opinion, really similar to the discussion BMW or Mercedes.
I would at least not for Final Cut Pro, go to simply because I am learning a lot invested in Avid and did not again want would umzulernen if it is not necessarily to be. Sure, winning Final Cut Pro increasingly s.Akzeptanz and it is not wrong if you can handle with both, but ultimately what counts for me the result and then I come, my customers are not interested in the slightest. If one is compatible with a production environment must be, it is still something else, but otherwise is more a matter of personal taste and the purse. I find the interface of Final Cut Pro, at least slightly appealing, because I used Avid and cope come - why should I switch, as long as everything else works?
Both Xpress Pro, as synonymous to the MC will continue to be available as Universal Binary (synonymous with Slashcam if no news was good, there is currently support for paying customers is a public beta for the new versions and the Gold status for the release is likely in 1Q 2007,).
What speaks against Avid on Windows? Actually, nothing (apart from the issue price for the HP workstation, because in my opinion, is much too expensive), but the times I quote from the U.S. Moderator Avid Forum: "You think this took a long time (meaning the port to Intel Macs)? Wait until you see how long it takes to make a Vista-compatible version. "
So as long as you stay with XP, there is nothing, but should you want to switch to Vista, will probably take a while until Avid has since withdrawn (in which everything takes a little longer - that works but then synonymous :-)) .
Greeting
Jan
Antwort von Pianist:
Both Xpress Pro, as synonymous to the MC will continue to be available as Universal Binary (synonymous with Slashcam if no news was good, there is currently support for paying customers is a public beta for the new versions and the Gold status for the release is likely in 1Q 2007,). Please What is "universal binary"?
I have earlier times with Avid phoned because I wanted to know whether using a Media Composer with Mojo Box someday have the opportunity to be an Adrenaline hardware retrofit. Answer: It is at present not yet planned, but it is very likely that this offer is made, when there in the coming years, the demand increases.
So if someday working in HD and then maybe finds that the hardware support would like to have happy, then equips you to. And the alternative, with the hard drive off to somewhere else to go, there is always yes.
Matthias
Antwort von Pianist:
So as long as you stay with XP, there is nothing I always do it so that once I build a good system can and then never again preceding. At the Windows NT I am in the ten years is not synonymous received some time range. The only reason it worked so well probably synonymous. And I hope that for the next ten years synonymous true. I have just given the job because I am only in this wintry season such a switch can make later in the year are so many projects s.Laufen that I can not change.
Matthias
Antwort von PowerMac:
Never. Computer now and then - like an old Saab and a modern Mercedes. No computer is running today (not even a Mac) problem-free. It was once possible, as OS were less complex, software-long beta test phase and it still had no Internet existed.
Antwort von JackJohnson:
Please What is "universal binary"?
Universal Binary means that the program both on the older Macs with Power PC (of IBM and Motorola, that is, G3, G4 and G5, etc.) as synonymous to the new Macs with Intel processors (Core2 Duo, Xeon in the Mac Pros, etc.) run.
Currently, Avid is not yet on the new Intelmacs under OS X, because the software is rewritten and new needs to be adapted. Manufacturer Most have now already been implemented, but not all and Avid had last year announced it until the next Major Update replacement and the current versions no longer needs (similar to so synonymous Adobe CS2 because it is no more synonymous than UB that there's already a CS3 public beta and the synonymous runs natively on Intelmacs).
At the time horizon of 10 years, I set in the segment, but rather not - I personally go there for happy with the hardware and computational time max. with 3-4 years (depending on how quickly the development progresses). Otherwise, I see this as synonymous: while the system is running, I change nothing.
Did you synonymous ordered the Avid software? If so, I find the time, in my view, somewhat unfavorable chosen: the stand shortly before the next major release, which surely will be charged and the MC is currently in the upgrade is not necessarily a bargain. Because we are a couple of weeks of talking, I would have given at least until the NAB still waiting for an updated version to buy, because a few points in relation to HD is still missing, but have long been announced (720 50p support beipsielsweise). But if you do not need you or the upgrade price is not disturbed, certainly not a bad choice.
Greeting
Jan
Antwort von Pianist:
But if you do not need you or the upgrade price is not disturbed, certainly not a bad choice. As I already wrote: I've only in the second and third week of February, the situation that all the old projects are completed and the new has not yet begun to be, therefore, the conversion only in these two weeks in question. Otherwise it will probably take another year. I've really only in a very short time of the year "hibernation".
Matthias
Antwort von PowerMac:
That I had forgotten: there is effective cross between Grades Photoshop PC / Mac version.
