Frage von bbs99:
Hello,
am not a newcomer in the video world, but I have still a problem.
Background: Since a few years I movies concerts in our church. I am always such a way that I've borrowed several cameras (usually 4 pieces, one I own) and the whole was then filmed. Format was always used mini-DV. When everything was in the box, I have everything via firewire to the PC, edited, converted and burned. Now I am happy but at random (personal change) s.einen older people pushed, the former was already passionate filmmakers and to my surprise a full studio set up. Starting thousands of preview monitors, title generator, recorder, etc. ... When you visit the entire MIR 2 are huge suitcase with the words Sonyaufgefallen. They were 2 large analog Sony cameras. Name me a loud commotion before unfortunately omitted. I could remember only that the camera had no recorder part, but only one video out on BNC.
Now we come to the problem:
Is it possible, with irgeneiner card for the PC, these two signals to be used? Tone is not the problem, which is of a professional sound engineer mixed it to me later provides. The good man would have synonymous recorder but they are both defective. If as the Canopus ADVC-55 a possibility? Or equal to a video card set? But I would but then a BNC-RCA adapter, according to the forum search but not the yellow of the egg should be.
Or should I still had the film? What actually would be a pity, because the entire equipment for the two Sony cameras already available. (Tripod, studio viewfinder, remote control)
Thanks already times in advance!
Regards
Florian
Antwort von megalutzi:
Hello,
Congratulations to the cameras (unless they are so old that it only b / w make).
So ADVC-55 is easy, but then only for a camera.
BNC is easy with RCA adapters to implement, which is synonymous easily. Which I do often enough.
There are synonymous cards, multiple signals can be recorded simultaneously. But are then less NLE editing cards, but rather from the Sicherheitstechnik. You may then have the same synonymous BNC inputs, Socher as I said, even on occasions does not matter.
Do not name now, but such a card would have a bit synonymous Search or reports are still someone who was ready to hand has.
Antwort von bbs99:
Hello,
Thank you!
The problem with such cards with multiple inputs will determine the Resolutionsein or? We know indeed the Picture of eg 9 cameras on one screen. Since then the whole DVD would be a high Resolutionauf any case desirable.
Furthermore, it is imperative that the sound to be 100% fit for the image material. I had time a recording filmed, when I have a Camera DVPro had. Now I had the problem that this camera recording faster than the other three. As for the later s.schneiden prepared for any problems you can imagine.
Greetings and have a nice Sunday
Florian
Antwort von tv-man_sh:
Since then the whole DVD would be a high Resolutionauf any case desirable. As you've already written, your video is a composite signal (BNC signals "does not exist). The bite is a little with "high resolution". If then the signal over a longer Leitungsweg transmitted, Eighth ask really pointed that it is a cable (75 ohm) with coaxial structure acts. If in doubt, a signal amplifier in between (for example, "Monacor" TV LA500).
Furthermore, it is imperative that the sound to be 100% fit for the image material. Well, for multi-recording is always A HOMOGENEOUS external timecode feed (whether real or not is no preference), making it easier for the average image as synonymous create the exact sound.
If the "old Sony" to Tube Kamers act, and we once provided that they still work, it requires quite a bit s.Wissen, the cameras so successive deductible balance, the synonymous with a single picture out at the end.
If we just briefly forget what happened there with you s.Technik around, then it would be certainly the easiest option, 2-3 to take your camcorder (of which only a section for photos), all 3 with real code to be included. When a camcorder is stationary, the time of the code (Real) out on the time code in the audio recorder. So then in your audio recording is also the same time code on it. If a little clutter does not bother, then you can obviously synonymous an external time code generator and take the camcorder and the sound drives a single time code feed.
Antwort von thos-berlin:
The question is, what you really want.
For a production, entirely in the Postpro done, you're ready.
If your friend is now an almost complete studio equipment, it is aimed in the direction of live production. So for example, a projector screen Hiner players or monitors in other areas of the church of the parish where you live it all should pursue. Possibly. even a live internet stream.
Do you want these things Lieve cut records and quite possibly make over, then you need of course a Aufnahememöglichkeit.
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Antwort von bbs99:
As you've already written, your video is a composite signal (BNC signals "does not exist). The bite is a little with "high resolution". If then the signal over a longer Leitungsweg transmitted, Eighth ask really pointed that it is a cable (75 ohm) with coaxial structure acts. If in doubt, a signal amplifier in between (for example, "Monacor" TV LA500). So I get a adapter of BNC to RCA need. Only then should I as a BNC extension cable or a Chinchkabel take?
Well, for multi-recording is always A HOMOGENEOUS external timecode feed (whether real or not is no preference), making it easier for the average image as synonymous create the exact sound.
If the "old Sony" to Tube Kamers act, and we once provided that they still work, it requires quite a bit s.Wissen, the cameras so successive deductible balance, the synonymous with a single picture out at the end.
If we just briefly forget what happened there with you s.Technik around, then it would be certainly the easiest option, 2-3 to take your camcorder (of which only a section for photos), all 3 with real code to be included. When a camcorder is stationary, the time of the code (Real) out on the time code in the audio recorder. So then in your audio recording is also the same time code on it. If a little clutter does not bother, then you can obviously synonymous an external time code generator and take the camcorder and the sound drives a single time code feed. Phew that must first set ...
I see correctly that I am with my first sound issues, if I do not have a time code offer? If so how do I then the whole of my system?
The question is, what you really want.
For a production, entirely in the Postpro done, you're ready.
If your friend is now an almost complete studio equipment, it is aimed in the direction of live production. So for example, a projector screen Hiner players or monitors in other areas of the church of the parish where you live it all should pursue. Possibly. even a live internet stream. So according to his testimony, he had the whole synonymous operated only hobby. He was, in principle, just as before as I just had it fixed the recorder for the two cameras.
Do you want these things Lieve cut records and quite possibly make over, then you need of course a Aufnahememöglichkeit. Live should not be cut. I have been synonymous of human reason does not have the time to do so.
From SuH-EDV in Oldenburg gibt es eine Software, with der man bis zu vier DV -Quellen in einen PC einspielen kann. In volle PAL-Resolutionals AVI-File zur direkten Nachbearbeitung s.PC geeignet. Die Software ist direkt dafür gemacht and nicht with den Aufnahmetools aus der Sicherheitstechnik zu vergleichen. Der price liegt wohl im 450 Euro-Bereich.
Wenn die Studiokameras so gut sind, daß sich das lohnt oder Du das einfach nur willst, kannst Du sie z.B. with dem schon erwähnten ADVC-55 s.den PC anschließen.
Wenn Du den price für die Software sparen willst, brauchst Du pro Quelle einen PC, with dem Du aufzeichnest. Dann reicht der Moviemaker. Das einfachste hierfür wäre warscheinlich sich 2 solcher ADVC-55 zu leihen and die dann jeweils s.2 PCs dranhängen. Sich solche Geräte zu kaufen oder gar die Software würde sich für ein Event, dass einmal im Jahr statt findet warscheinlich nicht wirklich rentieren.
Or you try, the tools are capable of simultaneously several times on a PC open to ode
Antwort von thos-berlin:
OK, Florian is now clear what you want. What I now it is not clear is why the cameras of your friend to use solllen. You've got so far worked satisfactorily.
You should look at once an AD converter and borrow Probeaufnahemen make. Thus you can determine whether the cameras to the previous match. Regardless of whether you have the cameras as a complement, or want to use as a replacement. (I have a tube synonymous still camera that makes beautiful images. But what the ....... s.Licht needs - and in the church)
I would rather complementary, since you previously borrowed with good mileage and are the big Sony probably only be used on tripods, while the handy little DV well out of the hands can be used (perhaps to the stage or in the spectator area between cuts to produce)
As "live" is not an issue, can the fixation PC right next to the Camera is what the cable problem would be eliminated. There should be a simple way, even very rich PCs. DV could already with 500 Mhz PC record ....
A single time code, you need not necessarily, if you have a sync event aufnimmst (flash) and go through all the cameras. Possibly. You could Mischpultton on the PC with such a record, as the Toneingang AD migrant SOWISO probably remain unused .... The PC Studio has the advantage that you synonymous events with over 2 hours in DV Quallität can absorb and thus synonymous safely change the tape s.den rest Cams (which still does not work for all at the same time should be).
Antwort von Witti:
OK, Florian is now clear what you want. What I now it is not clear is why the cameras of your friend to use solllen. You've got so far worked satisfactorily.
Well I just thought that the cameras alone because of their much better they would have better optics.
You should look at once an AD converter and borrow Probeaufnahemen make. Thus you can determine whether the cameras to the previous match. Regardless of whether you have the cameras as a complement, or want to use as a replacement. (I have a tube synonymous still camera that makes beautiful images. But what the ....... s.Licht needs - and in the church)
Where can I get a converter because it borrowed?
The thing with the light is obviously a problem. Large headlights, I can not draw, because the space of s.aus Tripods does not work and b), especially the singers are blinded. The light is synonymous usually the problem, why I have so far only large cameras like the SonyPD-170 had borrowed.
I would rather complementary, since you previously borrowed with good mileage and are the big Sony probably only be used on tripods, while the handy little DV well out of the hands can be used (perhaps to the stage or in the spectator area between cuts to produce)
Actually, I have all the cameras on tripods, because the space for a camera to move just is not there. It is usually up before s.das orchestra eingestuhlt. My dream would be times a Kamerakran but since so much is is synonymous in the future probably remain a dream.
I've mostly two static cameras (pulpit and choir left oblique). These I use for transitions such as a new song. Furthermore, I have many hours of film material, where I was panning through the various church did or did s.spezielle figures gezommt.
At the other two cameras are camera men, the camera move.
As "live" is not an issue, can the fixation PC right next to the Camera is what the cable problem would be eliminated. There should be a simple way, even very rich PCs. DV could already with 500 Mhz PC record ....
Yes I have already given my corners, where all the things I can accommodate.
A single time code, you need not necessarily, if you have a sync event aufnimmst (flash) and go through all the cameras.
That with the Blitzlich is a great idea. So far I have everything s.einem certain sound synchronized. A loud cough, for example. Since, however, especially at the Camera in the pulpit of the other flies about 50m away, the recording is usually a few ms too late. This has proved to be especially noticeable when song ends as the sound made already mute the orchestra was still moving. With a flashlight, which is much faster than the sound is of course much better.
Possibly. You could Mischpultton on the PC with such a record, as the Toneingang AD migrant SOWISO probably remain unused .... The PC Studio has the advantage that you synonymous events with over 2 hours in DV Quallität can absorb and thus synonymous safely change the tape s.den rest Cams (which still does not work for all at the same time should be).
The removable cassette is indeed a problem. Although it is a little break but at full church with two people 4 cassettes change is sometimes an adventure. Above all, the camera does in the pulpit as problems, not only because a certain distance must be overcome but synonymous lot s.Treppen. Since then, I will in any case, a camera set up with PC. That makes my work very much.
Regards
Florian
Antwort von bbs99:
ahh've forgotten my login ... as the top course, I've written!
Regards
Florian
Antwort von thos-berlin:
Thus an AD converter, you can certainly check with the nearest distributor rent. Because the devices are so new to the 200, - cost (ADVC-55 s.179, -, s.249 ADVC-110, -), the daily rent can not be very abundant. Otherwise maybe times researching whether there is a video club in the area, possibly with the cooperation would be prepared.
Alternatively you can of course times synonymous in the popular Internet auction house and then look to bid. An AD converter (bidirectional), you can always synonymous s.Schnittplatz use a screen image on a normal television view (then you do not favor the DV camera into the abuse).
You might want to have with the existing equipment times about whether a partnership with the community in question would be, so that eventually the town synonymous s.technischen purchases would participate. (For us in the community, there is a well-equipped group photo). For example, in the form of a regular video group (generally or specifically as a youth, or senior thesis). In this way you could synonymous prima recruit more volunteers and the equipment would not be the most time of the year around useless .... (There are in addition to the concerts certainly synonymous community festivals and worship and celebration in between could be prima practice and perhaps even the town newspaper "filming")
Antwort von bbs99:
To such an AD converter werd ich mich mal care.
On the subject of community.
All this is not of the municipality, but by the choir itself. The s.mich HERRAN occurs every year and asks me whether I would be ready to film. I cover my expenses by selling the DVDs. But as a part of the Bamberg Symphony Orchestra in the orchestra playing, it's not allowed me the DVDs for sale öffnentlich. That's why I eigenltich only decrease the choir members to sing along. This year, the choir, thank God, from 3 choirs. Not like last year, where 60 hours work with 28 selling DVDs were paid, where I have to rent for the cameras of synonymous nor had to pay.
One such a purchase would be for the parish is not worth it, especially now where synonymous nor the church itself should be rehabilitated. Since I'll probably bite on granite.
Regards
Florian
Antwort von Markus:
Florian, you need to make the recordings? Otherwise, just say no, if it is neither financially nor fun of her counts.
Antwort von Eggerd:
Hello
Ask here, which had the converter times the rent.
http://www.digitalschnitt.de/kontakt/index.htm
mfG Eggerder
Antwort von equinoxe:
Florian, you need to make the recordings? Otherwise, just say no, if it is neither financially nor fun of her counts.
Should I do nothing but habs I promised that I do. Since I do not stand in the rain if I had given my word. I have the choir so much to thank, because I will not hang.
Antwort von equinoxe:
Hello
Ask here, which had the converter times the rent.
http://www.digitalschnitt.de/kontakt/index.htm
mfG Eggerder
Question! Thank you very much!
Antwort von bbs99:
already forgotten to register me. So the top two posts are of me.
Regards
Florian
Antwort von bbs99:
Hello,
you just want to quickly bring the current state:
Camera is now available at my home. If a SonyDXC-M3A.
Only now I have the problem that the batteries are flat. Has anyone ne idea how I might complete with a power could solve?
Oh and now works with the Canopus?
Many greetings
Florian
Antwort von mhuber:
I have synonymous for 2 ideas:
1: why do not you just hang a cheap DV cam with AV In s.Deine Sony - monster?
or 2: schliess these things but s.eine Pinnacle DV 500 (or 500 Pros), which have a "Break Out Box" Picture with analog-and Toneingängen. There are always very cheap in the bay.
Antwort von thos-berlin:
The DXC is probably quite a nice camera. When the batteries are flat, then you can probably with a 12V DC power supply to operate camera. It should ensure four XLR connectors s.der his camera. Have all of the synonymous transportbel einsetzberen professional cameras.
Antwort von bbs99:
I have synonymous for 2 ideas:
1: why do not you just hang a cheap DV cam with AV In s.Deine Sony - monster?
or 2: schliess these things but s.eine Pinnacle DV 500 (or 500 Pros), which have a "Break Out Box" Picture with analog-and Toneingängen. There are always very cheap in the bay.
Only problem is that the cheap DV cams usually do not have DV-in. And aside a camcorder I will buy is not honest. The Pinnacle DV parts run out, unfortunately, too late. This is for the future might be an option times.
The DXC is probably quite a nice camera. When the batteries are flat, then you can probably with a 12V DC power supply to operate camera. It should ensure four XLR connectors s.der his camera. Have all of the synonymous transportbel einsetzberen professional cameras.
From her first impression a truly great camera. I have now times with a USB grabber s.PC connected and must say the picture quality is quite good. Could I imagine that the whole through a Canopus still could be improved.
The best I like the handling s.den have two handles. So really fun film and the viewfinders on the camera is in spite of black / white really cool. I look forward to the 11th November!
Regards
Flo
Antwort von thos-berlin:
Oh, s.11.11. is first used? Have you ever checked the lighting conditions?
Antwort von bbs99:
yes s.11ten is used. However, I do not for the first time. Eigntlich lighting conditions are ok. Most of irradiation is of the front and top. Should I use the whole Sonymal well with the test?
Antwort von thos-berlin:
Test yes - leave it, not yet ;-) Only after the test
