Frage von Christex:
Hello,
for the purpose of the birth of our 1st Child in February 2009, I have to buy a camcorder determined. Since I am in this field'm an absolute novice and previously never seen a camcorder that obsessed, I do not know exactly what should I look out. Generally, I am someone who has a great quality to value sets and am prepared for reasonable product at a reasonable price to pay. My budget is max. 700 ¬.
These following questions:
1. Does it make sense to an HD camcorder to buy or should you just start with a traditional or would you advise of this investment? Assume that I rarely use the camcorder will (I know, however, only if I am with the shooting had begun)
2. What can you camcorder in this price class Recommend?
Would you rather in my case to a conventional device
guess or a full-HD camcorder recommend?
3. What storage media is to favor when you first begin no videos edit / cut but would like to archive to an external hard drive?
4. What additional equipment is useful / necessary?
Freu mich auf eure expert answers ....
Gruß,
Christex
Antwort von embee15:
Hi,
how this is like ... synonymous with our first child had the same times a camcorder ago. And that is really worth the time goes by so fast ... blablabla
So after my experience you need to as the "baby filmmaker" very careful that the camera for interior shots (or less synonymous with light) is still a good quality-how.
I just tested the Canon FS 10 (depending on the synonymous FS 100 or FS 11) and find quite good. For the "emergencies", it synonymous nor a LED video light.
Then I have the Panasonic SDR S150 test, but I still have not.
Should both very good but his equipment.
For HD, you need to get on the one hand a very fast PC to the cutting and of course the corresponding synonymous TV. For children's films I have not yet been reported missing.
Bzgl. Storage media, I am just of the mini-DV tapes to recording to SD. The films are compressed, but then synonymous need less disk space to archive.
The Battery holds more generally and the films are faster on the PC is playing.
And regarding archiving: 1 hour MiniDV = 13 GB. 1 hours SD (mpg) = 4 GB.
As far as my thoughts about this ...
Antwort von Jan:
This question really comes here almost every day when I answer it anyway times.
1. For up to 700 ¬, it is always an HD device, Consumer 576i PAL camcorder for 700 ¬ at the moment, I would not buy anymore.
Maybe (I think rather determined) will be 576i PAL recordings in a few years rather than bad and inappropriate view - where no more sharpening, you can not stop it .... Dumm then important for the baby pictures for life.
2. Many of the HD equipment now available to full HD (though it always just an advertising slogan is) that there are rather few current models with P 720 or 1440x1080.
3. is in short easy to say things for the price category --
Flash Memory
+ Best price
+ Insensitive
- For a few films, because depending on the system to 4 GB only 30 minutes at best quality fit so expensive
+ Small
zb Canon HF 100, SonyCX 11 & Panasonic SD 100
hard drive:
+ Aufnamezeiten long, often over 5 h in high quality
- Not highs and Extremsportfähig
zb Canon HG 20, SonySR 11 or JVC HD 40, 30 or 10
HDV Tape:
+ Good to be archived medium
+ Well cut
+ Favorable medium
- System will be some time in its final place
- Drive cons (coils, pollution etc)
zb Canon HV 30
Blu Ray or mini Blu Raycamcorder, I would recommend only a few customers.
- The specified sequence of the cameras would be my choice
4. Charger, secondary battery, filters (UV, POL, gray), light, HDMI cable (is very rare in), direct the burner (eg SonyVRD MC 5) are quite simply and quickly create a DVD or PAL 576i Mini 1080 to burn Blu Ray, etc.
VG
Jan
Antwort von High_Tension:
Hi,
Unfortunately, I know regarding cameras in this price segment is not particularly well informed. So you like I can not help you.
However, I would Bzgl HD or SD to say that for someone like you HD is not overly meaningful. Especially the increased memory footprint / performance and effort (at least for full HD) the lack of opportunity to save on tapes disqualify the mE.
Bzgl storage media, I would strongly recommend mini DV tapes. Reason: I believe the only medium on which the filmed stuff safely and inexpensively be archived. Think about times s.Deine filled to the brim hard drive, which breaks down .... 5 years and child are in Datennirvana.
Sure, it requires a greater effort, the DV tapes yourself. But who knows, maybe will get so pleasure to cut:)
As for the quality of the recording to SD is concerned I know nothing ... but if the statements of my vote, I would advise against.
An additional equipment would I buy a good tripod. Kuck eg times after Velbon DV7000. Just because there are situations in which you are not from the hand wants to film.
Regards
Antwort von Jan:
Tripod Yes, I had forgotten, and even a note. Panasonic delivers the only manufacturer (of the Top 4 - Canon, JVC, Panasonic and Sony) with the Charger, which you would then not twice.
VG
Jan
Antwort von Isekram:
I believe you should you of the pros here can not be upset.
You do not need HD and you need no special synonymous camcorder.
Your videos will be growing up to hold your children.
(but come a few more?)
When shooting, you need to not synonymous Digital SLR camera. A compact camera as completely sufficient.
Just when I see the video!
Purchase what you like from the mainstream range of "greed is stupid" shops.
That will certainly suffice.
If you liked the time with video s.Medium get you can still purchase something larger and deeper into the subject.
The only thing you really should consider is the recording medium.
Whether MiniDV tape, hard drive, memory card or DVD you need to find out.
This is once of your PC hardware of your inclination s.and if you want to cut movies, or rather not.
To do this it should be something you capture or of a friend can help to make something already and you can show synonymous.
Fang s.zu read here:
Antwort von domain:
One of the camcorder would be rational for you probably the JVC HD30, synonymous what your price should correspond. She draws on hard drive in mpeg2 full-HD format, which is now practically with any editing program is easy to edit.
In addition, a considerable light on. As a demonstration of times a Comparison between the synonymous today lichstark as applicable Semiprofikamera SonyFX1 and the said JVC, recorded at very low and with the dimmer down indirect ceiling lighting, but with strongest gain, so kameraseitig discontinued light amplification.
This type of lighting you will be at normal room lighting hard to find, but rather a much brighter.
Strikingly, however, is the much larger Wide Angled FX1, but this flaw is, unfortunately, in almost all Consumercamcordern to find.
JVC GZ-HD30/40
zum Bild zum Bild FX1
zum Bild zum Bild
Antwort von Jan:
@ Isegram, which has nothing to do with insecurity and pro tips (I am indeed amateur camcorder) to do. I am a seller and know halt all 40 models (because I did it in the store) more or less well, and not just by hearsay-shots.
Let's assume that the user purchase a Panasonic GS 90 MiniDV Camera-entry, which makes for interior shots very very dark images, which can be 500-700 ¬ price range significantly better. Since there are already differences. I see every day 576i and HD recordings, s.PC and s.HD TV HD recordings to lengths better.
How long will the 576i PAL Television - probably not for long ...
If you spend about 700 ¬ would like, then for me the Canon HF 100 or the HG 20, the best choice - synonymous for the next few years.
VG
Jan
Antwort von Oettinger:
Still Mustard anyone?
I suggest before synonymous an inexpensive MiniDV camcorder to buy. The remaining money will you have sensible people. The DV format seems to be survived and HD on everyone's lips, but:
What did you do for kids photos? There was certainly synonymous already "modern things". Precisely this makes it the charm. Because of you / the Racker quite up to speed and will hold the world turns the other way then, does the miniDV-tape certainly make sense. Until you're in an editing program incorporated, you have several tapes filled. The only times you can indeed stand in the cupboard. The yes no bread to eat. With the hard drive because you're already rather limited. SD Card is synonymous no real alternative. Yes, new technology, high resolution, but strong synonymous Compression. Just look at DVD-burning is not synonymous, because then back to SD-down format is expected. Denk halt synonymous s.die Schwieger mom who may have a video synonymous wants.
Antwort von Alan Smithee:
Why do so many of the thread starter a cheap SD Camera to buy and the rest of the budget in any way to "burn" rather than the budget auszureizen for an HD camera, which delivers a quality that the child and the rest of the family is still in 30 seems like years?
Especially with the desired purpose, I believe it is important that the Camera: [list = a: baf15689a6] [*: baf15689a6] is somewhat future proof (PAL Resolutionsehe in my crystal ball is no longer) and
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Antwort von Spielkind:
IF a powerful PC is available, I would recommend for canon HF100.
has arrived before few days and I'm super happy. AVCHD is flat and needs massive performance from the PC to edit, but it's worth it!
(I own only amateur;))
Antwort von Quadruplex:
If we begin with the shooting, is an HD camcorder in any case, useful and affordable synonymous. PAL or SD format, we still have a long guide, but you should not necessarily invest in them.
HDV is currently the schnitt-/bearbeitungsfreudigste HD format. Among the possible drawbacks is it all been said.
Antwort von Jan:
Why do so many of the thread starter a cheap SD Camera to buy and the rest of the budget in any way to "burn" rather than the budget auszureizen for an HD camera, which delivers a quality that the child and the rest of the family is still in 30 seems like years?
Exactly, I see it as synonymous. While there are products where the more expensive models are not better, here is the thing but different. If you hold only 300 ¬ available, then the camera quickly decided election.
Look at just a few test pictures with Lowlight (ie poorly lit inside) to (zb at Videoaktiv.de) take GS 90 and then a Canon HV 30 HG or 20 or synonymous HF 100 - there are worlds between. Many of the cameras 200-300 to produce even in normal indoor photos very dark, noisy and pale color.
Test pictures HV 30 VAD Test pictures GS 90 when VAD VG
Jan
Antwort von Isekram:
Surely there are better cameras (Lowlight or so) pictures than a $ 200 "fun-Camera"
But is the baby movies really need the latest technology?
MiniDV is mature and with normal hardware is easily produce a DVD ..
It is not only the camera, the remainder must be synonymous fit.
Above all, the baby has still time filmmaker synonymous and hardware HD to be able to cut and above all to want to.
I wanted at that time just moving pictures of my children receive and record. Nothing more!
My kids are still always on the films of their small-crazy childhood and look at the movies regularly.
It helps my children to the past as such, to better grasp and not to forget what they have experienced as a toddler.
And!
If the dad does not want to lose the children could be with 20 years of your childhood and youth at any time after the experience!
The usual baby movies, all 5 p.m. to 10 p.m. years old until the actor filmed his own growing up, the interesting find.
I do not believe that any of these people then it disrupts the quality of the recordings was not at the maximum level of that technology is.
No, this person will enjoy it ever moving pictures of them.
And by the way 30 years ago was Super8 the measure of all things.
So let it In this case, once the "higher-faster-better-bigger-rule" and away you bethinks on what is important:
The content and the moral value of such recordings.
What is important is not what is being shown in what format.!
Applies really synonymous for all kinds of other movies!
My baby film times "brought me closer to the medium of video.
Today I have synonymous other claims s.meine films.
But that came only with time.
Moving Images keep the time!
No matter in what format!
Antwort von domain:
That is absolutely true, something better in a historical format, than nothing.
The situation is, but with some of the c. 1965 comparable, rather than the sudden shift of normal 8 on Super 8 film was made, a format that is at least a 36% to greater image area had to offer.
In no time lost normal-8-Cameras 50% of their value.
Even here in the forum you can see that owners of better-SD cameras now even more quickly try to reasonably good prices s.den man to bring.
The leap of SD to HD is the way, incidentally, is significantly greater than of Normal8 on Super8.
So you can not in good conscience actually SD camcorder longer recommended.
The trend in the consumer sector is synonymous fairly clear away of tape drives and hard disks and even AVC H.264 and flash drives and generally away synonymous of specialized recording devices.
Still image and movie will be in the future for amateurs probably an AND of the same device to be addressed.
Antwort von Alan Smithee:
It is not about the "latest technology" but the best quality, with the given budget is feasible! And that is currently available in this case nunmal HD.
And the thing with the performance of your computer after editing done to itself - if one thinks in these time periods - one of themselves must be more careful, that one in due time a media change to the then current format does. This step usually comes at a rather old system.
Antwort von Isekram:
Well, with the camera alone is not enough content.
At least a 2nd Battery, a bag and maybe a tripod should already belong to the original equipment. Some cameras with little dignity I Wide Angle even an extra wide-angle converter regarded as basic equipment.
All good quality in half for 700 euro?
The cheapest HD cameras are already at 600 euros.
Mind you the cheapest!
Incidentally, not a consumer camera has "LowLight Properties.
The made in bad light just differently bad pictures.
Antwort von Alan Smithee:
@ Isekram:
I agree with you completely agree to what the accessories as initial equipment is concerned.
The thread starter has - to set the budget - the choice between
1) a 200-400 EUR SD Camera with the listed accessories
or
2) a 600-700 EUR without HD Camera accessories
Knowing that the proposal is less than optimal, I would because of the quantum leap between the camera for a second class solution advice (possibly even with a 15 EUR cheap photo tripod). Even the "LowLight" properties differ for the two classes as far as camera, that if with the 600-700 EUR HD Camera still usable - if not synonymous tolle - results can be achieved, the 200-400 EUR SD Camera is no longer usable delivers results. I think because s.Innenraumaufnahmen in winter or with the "normal" room lighting - what's in a small baby will often occur.
