Frage von alibaba:
Hello,
I'm constantly on the lookout for a new cam for my hobby which Skateboarden.Nun I would like to ask you how you the jvc gy hd 10 applies to me because this seems like a very cheap hd cam is, unfortunately, it has only one chip and may occur synonymous with the problems on pal systems (for the video, I use sony vegas 7) Moreover, I have a not so great test report regarding moving objects read, that would of course be disastrous when skateboarding.
Are there better alternatives. I know for example the Canon XM1 / 2 and the sony vx synonymous equipment and other 3chipper but perhaps tempting me a hd cam but mehr.vielleicht longer and then save the sony FX1 FX7 z1 canon or xha1.vielleicht bring synonymous the compact hd models the desired results, I'm really undecided at the moment in case of doubt, I still wait the Everio fullhd from.
in any case, quality is very important to me and the cam should be synonymous otherwise allroundtauglich.
Decision support would be very nice thank you
grüsse Alibaba
ps how is because the editing in general with camcorders to record would be a compressed HDCAM to DV tape recording is not still s.besten
Antwort von Pj:
So ne HDV Cam würd I recommend you do not, I've no experience in doing that, but with quick movements, because you, in any case, you recognize you when HDV garnix Weil is just mpeg.
Purchase you prefer ne xm1/xm2 or vx2000/vx2100 and wait 2-3 years to properly mature, high-definition ist.Oder you if you buy now you absolutely want to film in HD for 5000 ¬ ne Panasonic HVX200, HD in haste without the rapid movements have poor quality, I think, at least.
Antwort von Pj:
Achso and a fisheye you for HDV Cams synonymous rather bad because semiprof. so huge filter size. So I think the cost Fisheye be held as usual at his Century MKII for so xm1/vx2000 600-700 ¬ 1000-2000 ¬. And if you have a HVX200 want to buy you need p2 Speicherkarten.Eine costs 1000 ¬, because it fit 25min HD material Drauf.Davon you need synonymous still 2-3 then I am appreciative mal.Also full HD is currently still very expensive.
Antwort von Markus:
[p2-memory] A costs 1000 ¬, because it fit 25min HD-top material. Schön wärs when 25 minutes because it would fit. Without additional Andockfestplatte, I would not buy HVX200.
Antwort von MrMumpitz:
check www.rollbrettmedia.de there you'll find a big community when it comes to skateboard film & go.
Here there are synonymous lots of clever people, but there will get a tick more help:)
Antwort von alibaba23:
Especially to me of the above jvc hd JY-10 can someone confirm my angelesenen experiences.
Antwort von alibaba23:
werd ich mir ne probably still have to get 16mm cam.
Antwort von Schleichmichel:
Finde ich klasse generally that there are any who want to work on 16mm. But if the whole afterwards in the calculator should probably still high, you're bankrupt faster than you can watch.
Are the movies up for sale and thought you've had enough experience with conventional imaging (without any automatic, so comparisons limp synonymous with Super8)?
Otherwise, I can give you enough hints of what the purchase is concerned.
Antwort von Pj:
Man, why are you doing dirs so difficult? Even if your people first try every trick and you do with 16mm film costs for film roles such as a half-hour film so ¬ 800 -1000 ¬. And then you think that there's other stuff for a camera plus the still more expensive. And überleg times: almost all skateboard videos with sony vx or canon xm, eg 411, the film sometimes even with the 10 year old sony vx1000 and I bet with you that which is loosely a 16mm camera could afford!
My tip: buy dir ne vx2100 and NEN Century MKII because biste the next 2-3 years in the skateboard scene with up to date. And then you are still not HD Cam buy, then there's certainly true at last mature.
Antwort von voge42:
So ne HDV Cam würd I recommend you do not, I've no experience in doing that, but with quick movements, because you, in any case, you recognize you when HDV garnix Weil is just mpeg.
Tells you that your experience?
Antwort von Pj:
Well then read here in the forum, which many here say. And shows why synonymous as "Germany, a summer fairy tale" not in HDV has been rotated? Namely, exactly for that reason. But I think you, the eh better than everyone else.
Antwort von alibaba23:
yes the best is probably still be a good 3chip. hd consumer sector is probably not quite as far, or hardly affordable.
shame shame
Partial Come to me, but for some skate videos so the quality exceptionally well before I had a synonymous recordings XM2 on my computer and when I render it so that I s.ende a dvd I have never come to such a quality and synonymous my raw material input is not as good schaun times if I find out what cams with these videos are made.
yet I did not ask me about the so synonymous sony z1 to buy and which may indeed synonymous HDV record with 60 fields I would not even take a step or next is still synonymous with bad my jvc stands above so as far as I know even 25 full screen on is ja schonmal better than 50 ½.
The new JVC GZ-HD7 50p recording.
that the jvc hd in jyhd10 50p recording mode is synonymous probably a rumor but whether or not they might create with 720 then I could sport shots with the full make and then possibly switch to other recordings naja still remains the disadvantage that it only has 1chip In contrast to xm vx etc.
Alibaba
Alibaba
Antwort von wolfgang:
yes the best is probably still be a good 3chip. hd consumer sector is probably not quite as far, or hardly affordable.
shame shame
So as someone who is now with HDV, but every little bit s.Erfahrung has, I say it very short and painless: the content is simply wrong and poignant.
If the claim is "consumer" range, then beats a good HDV camcorder normally any SD camcorder (with comparable prices) in terms of his line resolution. Sure, if you suddenly think, with consumer devices 1A with professional quality equipment of 30,000 euros to get, then you are mistaken. The issue is due to the massive claim from, or of the question, how realistic is the price / performance ratio provides.
But the technical objections one - by its own admission - in HDV field inexperienced Pj s are only partially correct. Sure has a 12er HDV GOP structure, but the car does not mean that the scrap material is absolute. Sure there are the phenomena that the Kell-factor of the line resolution 1080 50i format reduced - but still pretty good. And it is certainly true that these restrictions on fast moving pictures are even more serious.
But I have here just a skier video geschnitten. Not in the high performance range of sports, but still with quite a lot of moving images where the skier is moving against the background, and filmed with a motion from the FX1 out so even when filming with ski driving. The result can be seen on my plasma, the material, I feel for my private use as well aktzeptabel. For the professional ists certainly too little calmed down, but this is a question of technical capability in terms of image stabilization.
Sure here are the opinions diverge - sometimes because it is quite different demands in the minds there. Professionals for example, or amateur / prosumer around. I would therefore place s.eurer times a CameraLink ausborgen, and the thing so durchtesten. And I would ask me what I had expectations.
Incidentally there are obviously synonymous very good 3-chip HDV in the field - that is hardly a criterion for or against an acquisition format.
Antwort von Pj:
Guck dir mal ein s.besten skateboard video, then you see that with HDV is nix. The complete skateboard industry is filming in DV, HDV, I know NO Skateboard Video! Not one. This must surely have some reason, right? Finally, even people from Hollywood, such as Spike Jonze for Girl, skateboard videos. And the DV! The guy comes s.ganz different technique and ran anyway, he vx2100/vx1000/dvx100 for filming. So the Alibaba should calmly time a HDV Camera hire and the try. As long as you do not turn has Fisheye HDV could perhaps really still go, but once a Fisheye ists truth is out I'm afraid. If you are ONLY for the Camera skateboard films you will probably take nothing else other than DV. If you are still others, so do not moving so things like film, could you even a HDV Cam buy and then hold always between DV and HDV switch, however, the DV recording will not sooo good as a "pure" DV Cam .
Antwort von wolfgang:
Guck dir mal ein s.besten skateboard video, then you see that with HDV is nix. The complete skateboard industry is filming in DV, HDV, I know NO Skateboard Video! Not one. This must surely have some reason, right? You can then hand in the fire, provide that no person worldwide skateboard video in HDV makes? Such a statement can I find at least Wildflower fishing times courageous.
But so be it: HDV is a consumer format, perhaps it is for this purpose actually less suitable. Could well be synonymous if I change to a basic flat-free (before) think judgmental. I can only repeat to you say that this format is quite similar situations applies (skiing). How you explain that?
Antwort von Pj:
Yes, because I really put my hand into the fire for which there is no known skateboard video in HDV there. That is what in HD (professionally), there could, however, I imagine.
I think skiing times can not really compare with skateboarding, so they do, the drive s.sich already but there are tricks in skateboarding. Since turning the skateboard, for example, and that one should already know and not just a bunch of pixels haben.Such s.besten at youtube.com times Kickflip, heelflip or 360flip (treflip) then including what kannste imagine. And be happy with such a stunt synonymous times a slow motion and built because I think it is HDV really rubbish and because I now kannste nothing else to tell.
Antwort von usul:
Yes, because I really put my hand into the fire for which there is no known skateboard video in HDV there. Is very beautiful expression. What "known" is, then apparently you define - or?
Since turning the skateboard, for example, and that one should already know and not just a bunch of pixels. Ok, now I am relatively sure that you have never been to HDV recording've seen, or else you should remember that as something synonymous in HDV is not a problem.
According to your theory is due to the HDV MPEG Compression for something not suitable.
This in turn would mean: There are no usable skateboard videos in the digital TV and certainly not on DVD. The things are all synonymous MPEG compressed.
And why recordings with a fish eye with HDV is nothing to be an absolute mystery to me.
And be happy with such a stunt synonymous times a slow motion and built because I think it is HDV really rubbish and because I now kannste nothing else to tell. If I want a slow motion, suppose I have a camera, which can, such as the HDV Model FX-7;) (then only in PAL Resolutionund not in HD)
Basically it seems to me the skateboard-video industry (which it so everything is) a very skuriler club to be. Because the basket seems a lot of importance to all people to tell what type of technology they have used the rotary. This is the so what of irrelevant ...
Antwort von usul:
Search for youtube.com s.besten times Kickflip, heelflip or 360flip (treflip) then including what kannste imagine. Is also very funny when you talk of image and then draws on Youtube * lol *
Antwort von Pj:
Is known to every skateboard video that is sold. So read synonymous not seem to be your strength, you still zitierst myself why I refer you on youtube and tell of what image quality. So now again for the people who are a bit longer need to understand: he should go to youtube and the look that he does these tricks much faster than skiing. And of course synonymous great if you have a HDV movie has, and then there is DV in between. That has really cool. Maybe then a little bit of a digital image-Still Cam s.gefilmtem this and it looks really great. So professional. And what for a filming technique is to take is of course synonymous no preference! The latest movies are likely to be synonymous with a mobile phone rotated, agree?
HDV can obviously synonymous everything, it just funny None really wants, right?
Antwort von usul:
And what for a filming technique is to take is of course synonymous no preference! Of course! But you probably do not understand. Therefore, I try not synonymous next, to discuss with you.
You've already proven enough ignorance, I do not want you to even more provocative.
Antwort von Jan:
So, you lend time a HDV and check it out!
I believe we must move the camera can collect a lot of experience. When the camera is rigid, a ski is synonymous Skateboard Video & Video geil, so some slow motion should be installed.
The sharpness is not there to beat of SD.
When you swing, you need at a very controlled HDV that Wolfgang has been synonymous since the experience, I've already synonymous with approximately 25 tapes made of FX 7, extreme picture errors Ruckler & pans when I could not see.
With AVCHD you're right, the models are not 100% to cope with movement, is not quite on the level HDV 1080i, even though the cameras are nice and small, especially for a skateboarding event.
If the FX 7 to big & expensive, most times, the new HC 7 and you will be amazed, but do it calmly and reflect s.with the pans, with HDV you see & stop each grain snack ....
Matthias now excluded (because he is in another league filming) for Consumer & Semi / Pro HDV filmmakers is something good, a large number of HDV whiners have never been such a camera in his hand had to judge just because someone else in the forum of the models has less liked.
VG
Jan
Antwort von Pj:
Why givest because establishing any tests? And why are new Cams developed if the technology does not matter eh? It always comes out s.was you make of it but a certain technique you need to have about what to do ordinary. But perhaps you are Yoda, who knows? In any case I stay with my statement that HDV is not the right thing for skateboard videos.
Antwort von Jan:
Try it yourself, please!
How many videos to be recorded? Fairly simple with MPEG 2 640x480 technology, with fish like eyes, Sanyo & Samsung Miniket are popular, or when a little professional Canon XM 2 or SonyVX the 2100th
I'm skateboarders themselves, but to places in Munich on the road - if not synonymous as good - you can already see what people with so photographing & filming.
VG
Jan
Antwort von Pj:
And how will this work with a HDV cam to film a line when it starts bucking pans? But I stop myself because now get out, let the poor boy but in his run and spoil the ne HDV Cam buy.
Antwort von wolfgang:
sorry, double posting
Antwort von wolfgang:
And how will this work with a HDV cam to film a line when it starts bucking pans? Why should she shakes? You have 1080 50i with exactly the same motion resolution, as with DV - in 50i. If s.Format criticism, then please correct criticism - and that is neither Ruckler still pixels - about which you fear. This is more of a certain sharpness of waste generated during rapid panning happens - but relative to the HD level, is still better than SD level.
Yes, because I really put my hand into the fire for which there is no known skateboard video in HDV there.
...
And be happy with such a stunt synonymous times a slow motion and built because I think it is HDV really rubbish and because I now kannste nothing else to tell. Burning yourself is not the only source - could easily happen, and would be a shame drum.
zum Bild Seriously: never with such a format to have worked, but always with the wisdom of the big spoon .... ok, we can, yes we want here is not really debatable. Why should we be synonymous?
And yes - as Jens says: a few movies I have already made in HDV, in the last 2 years. But do not skateboard movies - is not my area.
Antwort von alibaba23:
yes with the mix of the hd and sd would have been damned scheisse da würd ich when then 2 independent films and make the skate video only with its 3chip sd hd cam switches then yes I have both and can practically synonymous try both times except the sd course quali would be worse than its vx1000 then would I get the holen.zu my previously asked questions you do not know the answer?
Thank you
grüsse Alibaba
Antwort von Jan:
What you still interested?
I film with Sd - PD 170 and HDV FX s.and to 7 - because I can not find Ruckler, I tear out horizontally when panning s.Tripod / camera.
Ullrich, a very valued users here (HDR FX 1) once a movie with passing cars, because there was no bucking.
Test times the HC 7 - yes, a 1 Chipper, but makes a good impression, its optical stabilizer works bomb Secure - an optical stabilizer gabs in the price class Sonyin rare, some magazines such as video tapes & Video Aktiv Digital Picture have daylight almost near FX 7 seen. And the slightly more than 1000 ¬.
Use but do not have AVCHD model, the movement really a mixed representation, somehow, the H.264 with the data rate is not 100% right to familiar with DV material to be compared. GNP Panasonic HDC SD 1st
VG
Jan
Antwort von Jan:
I again,
yes I must admit to have synonymous s.and prejudices.
One summer day 2006, my colleague, but we take the Panasonic SDR S 150 with the skateboard shoot with. I came with the same MPEG-2 - ne prefer an Other for the recordings.
And the camera did very well, making clear it was the Wide Angleist too bad, because you have to help because there were no Ruckler to see clean material to DV level, and I could with the little camera beside / before the film ends without too much driving Fear the Camera to scrap to make.
VG
Jan
Antwort von alibaba23:
So then times when I've money, I will probably get but the XM1
by the way of what needs
sell the following things:
amd athlon 64bit 3400 + 160GB Harddisk Geforce fx5700ve (256mb) with
two DVDRW drives
card reader,
soundcard,
lankarte,
usb firewire ports course
vhb 370 ¬
compaq armada e500 laptop 900MHz 256 MB ram 20gb hard drive with win2000 preinstalled license
vhb 270 ¬
Funai LCD 32 inch (81cm) diagonal screen size as a super TV and Pc Screen
HD Ready course
SCART Inputs
HDMI input
SVideo input
YPbPr
with remote control
Teletext
bild in bild
vhb 500 ¬
Antwort von noch ein DV und HDV filme:
Monitor any delivery? am of deheim nochma
Antwort von jotemwe:
I've ever synonymous tries to skateboard film. However, even with a uhralten 1chip. Dan XM2 I have had rented. Synonymous What I noticed is that the quality is not great. what will we have changed? Color? or what?
Gruss
achim
Antwort von Jan:
I'm known Panasonic & Sony friend, but really bad, I would make the DM 2 is not XM, so they've synonymous held a few weeks.
Yes in my field Lowlight is simply a Sonydas Nonplusultra.
The model has so few small problems (exposure, AF, WAG artificial, sound) for me, but only in light sleep, which is but partly through experience (Spotlight does not use AF - which is better anyway, WAG manual, specifically levels).
With daylight I could find nothing seriously wrong, the stabilizer is bomb-proof, the Picture synonymous. Canon installed at the expensive professional model of the L series lenses clean, pretty much every football photographer is on (white Optics with red / black).
When XM 2 could be but a little adjustment in terms of color correction - perhaps leading to wild adjusted?
I think the forum here are some happy 2 have XM.
VG
Jan
Antwort von alibaba23:
So in the above matters are of course synonymous sent the basis for negotiation and is therefore synonymous still wonders just s.bekomme any email on your mobile phone instantly and can therefore respond immediately
pellepelle73atgmx.net
here instead of @ s.is only because spam
Antwort von alibaba:
So in the above matters are of course synonymous sent the basis for negotiation and is still synonymous so it simply asks each s.bekomme email instantly on your mobile phone and can therefore respond immediately
pellepelle73atgmx.net
here instead of @ s.is only because spam laptop is unfortunately already gone
Antwort von bob1201:
therefore subject to skateboarding and hd:
Antwort von alibaba23:
geile quali really would only be interesting to know with what cam was filmed
Antwort von snapco:
geile quali really would only be interesting to know with what cam was filmed with a panasonic HVX200, I read
Antwort von Jan:
Yes for a HVX 200 is not a problem - there was rarely cameras with more options in the price class - Intra Frame Compression and 11 different frame rates of 12 to 50 frames / sec - geil!
VG
Jan
Antwort von 00guesswho00:
I still swear, as a skate film, the VX1000-SonyDCR of my father. Invaluable part in the
Antwort von tötö:
Canon HV20
makes great footage for an affordable price
bmx videos in the area but which is no preference
http://www.vimeo.com/726110
Antwort von sas_hh:
http://www.odysseyelectronical.com/Witzig wie sich die Funsportsachen entwickeln, vom nur Fisheye filmen zu HD with Jibs and Kränen and so.
Die Hv20/30 wäre ideal, da sie synonymous wunderbar in den Rucksack passt, synonymous in nem Pelicase.
Ich hab mich für die FX7 entschieden um BMX zu filmen, die passt synonymous gerade so in nen Rucksack, schön leicht and wer with den VX Modellen filmed hat wird sie lieben
