Frage von Pax:
Hello,
I was in about 3 weeks, a final trip to Croatia. Wants, of course, like to remind film. The problem is only now that I have no camcorder;).
To have been a Panasonic DMC-LZ5. This is a digicam with video capability. I must say that the part makes great pictures and good videos synonymous, but as a reminder once again a little too bad.
S.euch Therefore my question: What camcorder for max. 400 ¬ you can advise me if there is something good for the price class.
In business, I was advised I should take miniDVD, since they have a future. However, I have read in the forum, which makes it in the wrong post - what I really wanted to make.
Especially on the SonyDCR DVD-106 was, I noted that this provides a good quality and you could cut s.PC well.
Would like to know Your thoughts.
Okay, then writes mal los;)
Greeting
Antwort von Pax:
no one answer for me: (?
Antwort von dookie201:
If you edit / cut and the best quality possible want to get, then I advise you to a miniDV (not DVD) device. Recording medium are miniDV cassettes.
Antwort von Pax:
Why did we actually DVD of quality?
Actually tape but rather of quality, right?
Antwort von Bousquet:
No, because you may not like to think of audio tapes, where the quality of the CD (as the "predecessor" of the DVD) in Comparison to tapes in any case is better. In order to keep the analogy: The notes as miniDV tape wav file into CD-quality. The DVD makes MP3s directly because it is less data on it go (1.4 GB per layer. Comparison: one hour MiniDV tape are then 13GB on disk). This is pure "hear" many times in order to edit but not after.
I know the comparison limps, but I think it makes it fairly clear.
Antwort von Pax:
do you want me to say that there is little loss of quality or is the video will barely see?
Antwort von Bousquet:
Well, just watch it of course. If you are on the output of the cam directly into the TV and go anschaust because the difference is only marginally be enough.
But to post the additional information in the DV format already important. Every time when you have the video in another format überführst (zBsEnde the cut version on DVD Mpeg) it loses a little quality. The DVD is the video already on the Functional Kompromiert and then convert each directly s.die substance.
I can already see how the experts here want to hang me, but I try so unfachspezifisch as possible to describe.
Solve yourself of the notion that the dvd picture was better than with tape, synonymous when the Comparison of Purchase DVD to VHS for example, of course, for the obvious stops.
If you want to edit everything speaks for miniDV. More quality, longer durability of the media and synonymous better workflow.
Antwort von Pax:
and what cam for 400 ¬ (miniDV) to me because you would recommend?
I would s.liebsten Sony ...
Gruss
Antwort von Bousquet:
Ui, da kann ich dir nothing to say. Have no overview everything there. Think about you but what you might want s.extras everything. If you want to connect an internal mic? Want to cut your text again to play back miniDV? On something you should know before careful because you might think but not the first time on it.
If you is clear, look here to just. Thread in which cameras to discuss the price, there are like sand s.Meer. I could give you what you just heard about her or what I have read recommend something, so let me do that better. Everything just second hand info, and of all the cameras in the last year I came out the other side of a stroll in the electrical market is still not in the hand held, so let something filmed.
My tip: Find you a choice from the s.Cams for you will come here and then easily search for specific times, the thread is this turn.
Gruss
Antwort von Pax:
Hello,
thank you for your answer.
So at the moment, I am interested in:
- Panasonic NV-GS 230
- Panasonic NV-GS 180
and
- SonyDCR-HC35
Can I have the parts to someone say something?
MfG
Antwort von Markus73:
So at the moment, I am interested in:
- Panasonic NV-GS 230
- Panasonic NV-GS 180
and
- SonyDCR-HC35
Can I have the parts to someone say something?
MfG I own a GS180. The 230 is largely identical.
If you have questions: shooting off ...
Gruß,
Markus
Antwort von Pax:
Is it for you with a lot of effort 20sekunden what to film and then to me via icq or so to send?
Would spitze if you could make.
Gruss Pax
Antwort von Bousquet:
Is it for you with a lot of effort 20sekunden what to film and then to me via icq or so to send?
Would spitze if you could make.
Gruss Pax Hi,
I like to do, but you must have until tomorrow morning vertrösten. Send me a short look @ web.de mail s.mho73 then, I have your address.
Gruß,
Markus
Antwort von Wolfpeter-Hans-Dieter:
In this price range cuts clearly the Panasonic gs-series s.besten from. Ich hab mir synonymous recently bought a GS320 and it was in the Bilqualität, at least in good light, not a lot of my vx2100 away and pretty much the same with my vx1000. So würd ich dir clear gs180 empflehlen (synonymous not much different than the GS320)! The already makes good pictures, because you need now synonymous honestly nothing to you. What do you get it better for the money eh not!
Antwort von Pax:
Yes, but with the offer I like to take charge in the right;)
Would you the 80 or 180 more advisable?
Antwort von Peter2003:
180er the story seems to be. Did the 320er and am up to the microphone port missing, the missing and the missing DVIN headphone connector satisfied. But I decided I had to do this in to Purchase. In my view, only Alternatibe the GS500, it was too expensive.
Greeting
Peter
Antwort von Markus73:
180er the story seems to be. Panasonic leads them on the homepage no longer with the current models, according guenstiger.de it is still in the trade to get.
Regards,
Markus
Antwort von Bousquet:
how much did you cost the 320?
Antwort von Schnuufe:
I also placed the GS 180 and it can only recommend. You are hardly in a price class find a camcorder with mic-in, 3CCD technology and manual controls. The user is also very intuitive with the daumen possible.
Antwort von Peter2003:
how much did you cost the 320? I have paid ¬ 569. I knew that it offered cheaper, but I wanted to buy in the store.
Greeting
Peter
Antwort von Pax:
What would you offer me an alternative?
Can max 400-450 ¬
Gruss
Antwort von Markus73:
What keeps you of the 180 and 230 from? It was already mentioned several times.
Gruß,
Markus
PS Look in your email.
Antwort von Peter2003:
Offer alternatives, I can not, I would not synonymous alternatives you propose, because anything less makes the 320er for me, especially from the point of filming in low light conditions (living rooms, churches, concert halls) indiskutabel is. Unfortunately I can not afford more, otherwise I would still want a higher one.
Greeting
Peter
Antwort von Bousquet:
vlt bekomm I already for the 450 or so ..
Antwort von Pax:
404ERR
Antwort von Pax:
I was a grad again in 2 shops and both the sellers told me that I'd rather take dvd.
What is now up: (
Pls say it to me a
Antwort von Bernd E.:
The retailer told me that I'd rather take dvd. I say this reluctantly, since I myself a few years in this industry have worked, but I have encountered only a few sellers who are really familiar with the matter (Jan, for example here in the forum!). Far more common are probably talks like that I said yesterday in the camcorder department of a leading electronics market, a major city could overhear:
Customer (pointing to camera): "Excuse me, you are so familiar from?"
Seller: "No".
Client: "Hmm, but before I 700 euros for a camera issue, I need a bit advice. Can you get me someone who knows that?"
Seller: "No, nobody there."
And the moral of the story ': If he recommends DVD, credible' is not the seller! ;-)
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von etch:
So if you at your graduation night your clock by 2 drunken coma shortly before filming Wilster mates, then the Panasonic series for you deleted! You need a big cam with sensors! The Pana's have up to 500 all just 1 / 6 "chips. Too small for the night to get good shots.
My advice: Leave it. Da kommt eh just shit out. And imagine if you were good at a flat rate Tequilla want to join :-)
Antwort von Pax:
and what about with HDD recorder from?
Antwort von Markus73:
I say this reluctantly, since I myself a few years in this industry have worked, but I have encountered only a few sellers who are really familiar with the matter I would immediately and fully sign! Especially in the two big chains, of which one horny and the other is stupid (or something similar), it happens to me often that I have so many "technical discussion" between unsuspecting customers and the same seller dazwischengehe (refers now mainly to the PC area). What is already s.Blödsinn I have heard really beyond any frame!
Regards,
Markus
Antwort von Pax:
Is it in HDD recorders as bad as DVD?
Antwort von znieh:
Hi,
1. HDD and DVD Cams sign in to mpeg2 (VOB is used), and the material down so bad, 2 can be mpeg-files inaccurate edit (not just visual); 3 are more tapes for archiving (DVDs do not have a tested and durability and are useless if certain areas of the disk are damaged.
View image: HDD and DVD cams are better than Hi8 and not everyone has a right freak with plasma screen. But you can see the difference, and if one has seen him once ...
The Cams: The 3CCDs of Panasonic are certainly good, but synonymous Disadvantages: no optical stabilizer with the cheaper, less wide, 4:3 display (320er times excepted).
The GS80 has wide (36mm), for interior shots thus better suited, and a good optical stabilizer, true 16:9 synonymous in the display, are the disadvantages 1Chptechnik (looks as if man's) and lack of connections (Micro input, DV - In); advantage price: s.ca. 330 with shipping. The GS80 is in my opinion nor a DVD model is preferable.
As one of approximately 800, - HDV gets too much, you should not spend more for DV ...
MfG
Heinz znieh =
Antwort von etch:
404ERR
