Frage von max-i-milian:
Find a camera team with Beta SP or Digibeta equipment for a documentary project / surveys, etc. in the Berlin hinterland. The shooting has run the next meetings are already in the course of this week! When you format, we could possibly make it easy compromises but definitely for ZDF ARD RBB etc. be broadcast.
SP would be best since it is already diverse material in this format.
PRICES: The industry standard prices for a shooting (or evening), we know best .... because the project they are slowly expanding beyond the budget .. So please: MODERATE PRICES ....
Antwort von max-i-milian:
ah .... there is obviously no PM function here
they can reach us at:
filmprojektbewerbung@web.de
Antwort von BjörnF:
In Berlin, there are teams such as sand s.Meer. If you still do not found anything you are looking for here and should be, it seems a problem with the prices of you expected to have ...
Björn
Antwort von max-i-milian:
In Berlin, there are teams such as sand s.Meer. If you still do not found anything you are looking for here and should be, it seems a problem with the prices of you expected to have ...
Björn björn prefer,
Unfortunately, it is a problem in the forums and only gemeckert suspected. We are looking for a team for ¬ 20.50 s.tag .......
A (good) staff costs 500 - 700 ¬. Since we already turning over 20 days is too much to us and we are looking for alternatives. what is it wrong?
Antwort von rush:
now max,
I meld in this thread simply synonymous word again ... .
it seems so in a more professional framework rotate (to want) or are there. ?
your financial bottlenecks seem but I think more of a problem of the calculation to be ... and more than 20 days shoot is synonymous not just no - what you paid for, etc. sender that?
synonymous and here again the first question - what exactly is in your project? :) Those are just the info you have mentioned, then you can certainly synonymous times negotiate a lower price ...
but just so it is obviously difficult to completely favorable teams to find, I think somewhere and make something synonymous' nen bissl the price break - which is pretty cheap nowadays - for 500eu a complete team, together with appropriate technology for 'nen tag is really well.
Nevertheless, good luck with your project ... whatever it will be;)
Antwort von BjörnF:
björn prefer,
Unfortunately, it is a problem in the forums and only gemeckert suspected. We are looking for a team for ¬ 20.50; s.tag .......
A (good) staff costs 500 - 700 & ¬;. Since we already turning over 20 days is too much to us and we are looking for alternatives. what is it wrong? This is Gemecker not foreninger usual, but against Preisdrückerei. Since I work in the profession, I know perfectly Prices, and knows that the synonymous simply needed to team and technology to pay. And 500-700 in comparison to other cities in the lower end ...
If it is a worthwhile project is to make it easy sometimes. Then there is perhaps synonymous someone from Goodwill participate, or you can with technology companies talk about special prices. This can be so happy synonymous everything.
But the attempt miscalculation on your other umzuwälzen I can not find good.
It is simply a difference if I people for a low-budget production and Technikbeistellungen search, or because my money is expected, Preisdumper search the market break.
Björn
Antwort von almosely:
björn prefer,
Unfortunately, it is a problem in the forums and only gemeckert suspected. We are looking for a team for ¬ 20.50; s.tag .......
A (good) staff costs 500 - 700 & ¬;. Since we already turning over 20 days is too much to us and we are looking for alternatives. what is it wrong?
This is Gemecker not foreninger usual, but against Preisdrückerei. Since I work in the profession, I know perfectly Prices, and knows that the synonymous simply needed to team and technology to pay. And 500-700 in comparison to other cities in the lower end ...
If it is a worthwhile project is to make it easy sometimes. Then there is perhaps synonymous someone from Goodwill participate, or you can with technology companies talk about special prices. This can be so happy synonymous everything.
But the attempt miscalculation on your other umzuwälzen I can not find good.
It is simply a difference if I people for a low-budget production and Technikbeistellungen search, or because my money is expected, Preisdumper search the market break.
Björn I can understand the concerns. it is an art, "art-action" when it is unpredictable interaction of people and organizations there. the project was created in three days, it now runs many weeks. we can not name the project because the people there "assisting" it is not clear that there is only one "art" but is it realistic to hold. If I rename it and find someone on the internet is breaking the project. we had with not so great "success" and "resonance" effect.
Antwort von Sondiq:
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we had with not so great "success" and "resonance" effect. Hello maxi,
if the Project as a great success and has resonance, then there are certainly synonymous possibly sponsors, but the first not to be named because the project is so secret ....
Sorry, but that is a great Anfangsfehlplanung indoors and still synonymous in the course of the project ... Maybe sometimes the producer or organizer change ...
And the theme of "art" as you called it yourself, so always ring and all the bells on!
Good luck
Antwort von max-i-milian:
I am reluctant to say it .... yes
Only those who blaspheme and see everything negative they would never live to bring something ..... and I guess all the times in this very poor blaspheme sausages are never in real life with some productions had to do.
just next to ........
Incidentally, it's been a team with DigiBeta found for 250 + charges s.tag!
Antwort von rush:
nice for you that you have found your team ...
but the poor people here than sausages stamped I really think a little bit wrong. your production has not had enough money and was looking for an affordable alternative - far more cautious with such statements!
thank you very much
Antwort von Sondiq:
For 250 you get from us ne Digibeta, just without the team ....
there are always people who care it is cheap ....
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Erik
Antwort von max-i-milian:
For 250 you get from us ne Digibeta, just without the team ....
there are always people who care it is cheap ....
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Erik exactly, it's .. so why should we not use and at each turning 300 ¬ slap in the chimney?
Antwort von max-i-milian:
nice for you that you have found your team ...
but the poor people here than sausages stamped I really think a little bit wrong. your production has not had enough money and was looking for an affordable alternative - far more cautious with such statements!
thank you very much I think the only people who moan are poor sausage! and na? exactly - we were looking for an inexpensive alternative - why do we moan about? there are always people in forums are not constructive and can help with a question of trying to gemecker excel. something I find to be honest ..... !
Antwort von rtzbild:
For 250 you get from us ne Digibeta, just without the team ....
there are always people who care it is cheap ....
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Erik
exactly, it's .. so why should we not use and at each turning 300 ¬ slap in the chimney? Exactly!
Who pays with bananas, usually only get monkeys.
And professionals in their field have just their price.
A little more, the other a bit less.
In my former main occupation itself, I was one of the more expensive service, but that was then synonymous reasons and clients have gladly paid for the service: o)
Something to consider:
IMHO it is totally okay if you are interested _absolut_ times a new genre "for free" durchzudrehen when previously the performers it is clear that the synonymous in the pants can go, because the camera operator simply gepatzt, but it was halt mal ein attempt to exercise precisely.
Something like You should only do if the representation "as often" repeatable, at current coverage, or even extra visiting performers I leave in unfamiliar situations, turning off the fingers.
"What, aerial photographs of paratroopers, mitspringen yourself?
Neiiiin, not for 10,000 euros * gg *)
If one comes and wants to make absolutely for 20.50, then he is, the market regulates itself quite rapidly, sometimes voluntarily, sometimes involuntarily ... o)
HTH
Olli
* without envy, because miniDV *
Antwort von BjörnF:
Incidentally, it's been a team with DigiBeta found for 250 + charges s.tag! Well, was not to be expected that someone at a price anbiedert for which there are reputable companies in the Camera grad times there ...
Björn
Antwort von stodest:
What many may not know it:
We do the job not for fun, but to our families to feed. If I take a look, I could ausrasten As you have done in order for this price at the Camera anzumachen.
As reality must be people who make such calculations.
It is really annoying that we allow ourselves to want to earn money .... that we even exist.
Pictures, but everyone can.
I'm really angry!
Antwort von stodest:
Hello!
Is it beautiful? To each his own!
Why treat your "professionals" because people do not? Here, but then everyone found what he sought!
Even if the quality of a cheap supplier "Your just not that high" professional standards "is, but the customer is satisfied and has what he wants, but everything is in the butter!
That your professionals for non-DAS Money Your Camera auspackt times and just about tired smiles that only a fraction Your fee can be paid, but then that is your beer - but then why complain? Why play the insulted? It is neither class nor Your Salary Your Qualiflyer claim. So why not let the / who make it want to do - and be sure to learn of both.
Your statement "... the market regulates itself quite fast ..." or "... can make photos of each" vote yes :-) .... So why benehmt her then as you insulted liver sausage? But then, sit back comfortably and waiting for ECENT clientele ECENT offers which ECENT claim fee and needs / requirements and let the others but your fun and Lernfaktor.
It has not necessarily something with the "stinginess is cool" mentality to do so but that it is synonymous to give customers, perhaps not quite the right quality or the financial means to have your "normal" prices to pay - and yet they seem want to see fulfilled. .... And then when the zb a "Nebenberufler" makes for a little less, for a lower quality evt, - but with a big learning curve for its part which is synonymous for him a kind of 'payment' can be - and the customer is satisfied and it has what he wants - but it is synonymous satisfied each - ok, except you.
But why grämt you then? For The Money is then eh but not your league. Your spheres lie elsewhere but .... :-)) I think order is fulfilled if all parties are satisfied - regardless of the nature and manner of payment! What I would again s.Anfang: To each his own!
Schöne Grüsse Rob
Antwort von PowerMac:
Some are from the EB Forum and hopped over to regen-right-on. The prices are outrageous dissocial and ruin an entire industry (in Berlin). But lucky for you, we live in times of free market economy. When it comes to money is, unfortunately, are values, morals and the intellect often flutes. Once an offer is received the cheap, all others must actually believe in it, they do not want to lose ...
We hope you use your cheap EB team and does not deserve even less money.
Antwort von Markus:
Once an offer is received the cheap, all others must actually believe in it ... Since I am always careful. The client could bluff and then he wants the production to always have a lower price!
Since I make no longer with, because a certain degree s.Professionalität should already be there. And a monkey, I have not in the team, which I with bananas could entice the customer. ;-)
The work of longtime friends (which I helped at all possible) is obviously something else, but it is indeed not an issue here.
Antwort von PowerMac:
The situation in Berlin is unfortunately different: EB a few dozen teams, all with Digibeta or DVCPRO50 and no work. Then comes one with a bad offer and all offers. If it were not for mitzieht and some 50% in the price goes down, then creates it for months without a single mission. I can really understand that they want to earn at least something. Unfortunately, they do so in general the prices broken. It would be smarter, they went bankrupt or went into other cities. The offer is simply too great.
Antwort von BjörnF:
Hello!
That your professionals for non-DAS Money Your Camera auspackt times and just about tired smiles that only a fraction Your fee can be paid, but then that is your beer - but then why complain? A fraction is funny. At 250 about the NULL fees. Neither the cameraman nor for the Tonmann. You should think of time off, which is not a DV for 3000 or 5000 Europ not unpacked, but such a Digibeta, with all the accessories such as Tripod, Batteries and so easy to at least 50,000 euros. And for everyone, the most economically costed, prohibits it, such prices to make.
And something is not synonymous "Nebenberufler" at home rumzustehen. As someone Prices simply broken.
Björn
Antwort von Markus:
It would be smarter, they went bankrupt or went into other cities. If they do not do the latter, is the first car to pass. The only question is when.
Antwort von PowerMac:
Hello!
That your professionals for non-DAS Money Your Camera auspackt times and just about tired smiles that only a fraction Your fee can be paid, but then that is your beer - but then why complain?
A fraction is funny. At 250 about the NULL fees. Neither the cameraman nor for the Tonmann. You should think of time off, which is not a DV for 3000 or 5000 Europ not unpacked, but such a Digibeta, with all the accessories such as Tripod, Batteries and so easy to at least 50,000 euros. And for everyone, the most economically costed, prohibits it, such prices to make.
And something is not synonymous "Nebenberufler" at home rumzustehen. As someone Prices simply broken.
Björn 250 Euro für ne Digit Beta + equipment + insurance s.Tag makes any budget at -50 euro profit a day.
Antwort von rtzbild:
Let them do it again on ebay Digibetas sought.
In addition, taxi driver for night and weekend shifts.
OMHO
Olli
Antwort von TWausL:
This is a partial and sometimes arrogantly stupid discussion!
Here is constantly said that the market will regulate itself.
HE STILL DOES THE STRAIGHT.
There are too many vieel of the media. The fact that the price is trying to get to work, but shows the clear.
And for a little less money to work is just better than nothing to earn.
Some have to be synonymous only earn their spurs and gather references.
The golden times are over where you could dictate the prices themselves. Now it is rather in the direction of the market.
Unfortunately, this is painful to see!
