Frage von opo:
Hello,
I do not have any concrete answers with the search found, so here is my question:
What prerequisites must be a calculator for liquid displaying video files of my cameras meet.
I have been working for several weeks with the Canon 5D Mark II and the JVC GZ-HD30.
My notebook "Toshiba A200" (approx. 1 year) has an Intel Dual T2330 1.6 GHz, 2 GB of RAM and graphics with Memoshare. My hard drive has 200 gig and 4200 RPM.
As software I use Pinnacle Studio 12 and Sony Vegas Platinum 9th While I use the JVC files (Mpeg2 mode) with the two programs can open (ruckelnt), the HD files of only the Canon Sonyerkannt and processed.
But, and this is my biggest problem, only extreme ruckelnt.
I am now ready to give me a new calculator to buy a laptop preferred, because it is often mt to work must take.
The budget limit, I would like around 800th - Euro leveraged.
For helpful answers, I thank very much.
Greeting
Oliver
Antwort von Marco:
You will now probably not with Windows notebook 5D of the clips in the editing software with liquid play natively can cut, especially not in a notebook of 800 euros class. The format of the H.264 calls Resolution1920x1080 as much, that comes as a Quicktime container format, which on Windows systems often additional power losses.
The solution is to render to an intermediate format before it s.die processing in the editing software. So change the material previously in an HD format such as HDV, then it can run even at low current notebooks unnecessary.
Marco
Antwort von opo:
Thanks for the sobering answer.
I had time to test with the WinFF and SUPER Mov files to Mpeg converted, so it was easier. Was it the way you to my test, Marco?
But again the calculator. Synonymous, since the Mpeg2 files from the JVC Jerkiness, it should in any event be a faster Calculator.
What would be the so Mindestvoraussetungen for the good notebook?
When I set up my budget would be what it should be for his constituents?
Should it again but then a desktop PC, I would be synonymous here for Tip for hardware provision grateful.
Excused the many questions and requests, but the video market is still very new to me.
Greeting
Oliver
Antwort von domain:
You need some tips for you to be
http://forum.slashcam.de/welchen-pc-als-videoschnittsystem-vt32296.html
Antwort von Marco:
"I had time to test with the WinFF and SUPER Mov files to Mpeg converted, so it was easier. Was it the way you to my test, Marco?" Of forest and meadows, such as super-tools, I think not very much. The transformation you can eg synonymous with making of Movie Studio. Purely clips in the timeline. In the Render dialogue as file type "MainConcept MPEG-2" and select Render as template, for example, "HDV 720-30p.
If you followed these newly rendered HDV clips used in this and the movie studio project settings exactly s.die properties of the clip adjusts to the processing liquid to run nicely.
Marco
Antwort von Zizi:
for 800 ¬ you get when you own a PC tadellosses establish a system where you really loose the 5D files can cut!
with Quad 3GHz, 4GB 1000 RAM, the system RAID 0 or 1, etc.
This one has the next few years ausgesorgt!
For PCs need at least ¬ 2000 to make similar loose to get!
Even more if it be an Apple!
Antwort von MarcBallhaus:
There is no system whereby the files of the 5D can be stress-free cut. Not even a Mac Pro 8-core enough for that. The files must be converted.
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Antwort von domain:
The main procedures of Marco would actually synonymous with the mpeg2 files of the JVC to a smooth operation timeline on your current notebook, because after my experience brakes synonymous mpeg2 Full HD projects, the PC performance is noticeably ab.
Antwort von Zizi:
There is no system whereby the files of the 5D can be stress-free cut. Not even a Mac Pro 8-core enough for that. The files must be converted.
That I doubt .. I have test files in Premiere geschnitten the run flawlessly. (on a 3.4GHz quad)
Of course, not so fine and fast as HDV but it
same speed as a material HF11!
Since then the 8Core of Apple probably superior and should do even better then ..
Antwort von MarcBallhaus:
Of forest and meadows, such as super-tools, I think not very much. The transformation you can eg synonymous with making of Movie Studio. Purely clips in the timeline. In the Render dialogue as file type "MainConcept MPEG-2" and select Render as template, for example, "HDV 720-30p. The 5D is in HD at 4:2:0 at 1920x1080. If you are in anamorphic ernshtaft HDV 4:2:0 with walking, is the latest complete scrap your final result, because there is no color to the sampling of more s.der right place, then each Farbpixel in the truest sense of the word next to it.
A great proposal for s / w video, perhaps.
It always remains in the highest possible resolution, until the end. That means in the case of the 5D, where you must walk, take in any case, a codec of HIGHER than 4:2:0 sampling, which would, for example, Apple Proess 422 (HQ) or the PC HuffYUV in doubt synonymous HuffYUV o. ä at 1280x720, 4:2:2 merits, but certainly not with HDV 720 !!!!!
There is no system whereby the files of the 5D can be stress-free cut. Not even a Mac Pro 8-core enough for that. The files must be converted.
That I doubt .. I have test files in Premiere geschnitten the run flawlessly. (on a 3.4GHz quad)
Of course, not so fine and fast as HDV but it
same speed as a material HF11!
Since then the 8Core of Apple probably superior and should do even better then .. Nothing doing, and is synonymous correctly so. H.264 is not a codec Edit. It makes no sense synonymous in H.264 to be cut because the codec is not intra frame and all the processors on average fee charged. Dear wise once and then walk off.
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Antwort von domain:
Instead of "most moronic" would be the expression "sub-optimal" probably been better .........
Antwort von MarcBallhaus:
Instead of "most moronic" would be the expression "sub-optimal" probably been better ......... You're too slow. Very constructive post, incidentally! Super! And so informative! And helpful ... and and and
Antwort von opo:
oh man, I have but what losgetreten.
Thank you for your interest s.meinem problem.
Unfortunately I have a lot of your encoding totally unfamiliar names, because I have any other knowledge to a similar level.
But times as needed to get there.
Starting point! I have just finished a 12 seconds file from the 5D with HDV 1080-50i gerandert than Mpeg2. Did satte 50 Minit 1 time. I wanted a carnival parade s.Freitagabend film, the material is about 20 minutes. The film has yet to be s.Abend equivalent. Since the rendering time with my notebook already about three hours.
Question: Suppose in a notebook of the 800 - Euro class. Zweikernproz approximately 2 to 2.2 Ghz. three to 4 GB of Ram, a separate graphics card, hard drive with 7200 RPM possible.
Is such a notebook noticeably faster at rendering than my current calculator mentioned above. (Toshiba A200, Dual Core 1.6, 2GB RAM, shared memory, with 4200 RPM HD).
Please do not be malicious, which I somewhat stubborn drill. I should have just this week a solution to the problem. 5 days to Friday.
Greeting
opo
Antwort von domain:
You will not be you but in all seriousness because of the coming Friday and the 5D Mark II, a slightly faster growth to notebook?
Have yet synonymous nor the JVC and can in the coming weeks, your problem with the Canon alone solve.
Antwort von MarcBallhaus:
I recognize the meaning is not somehow synonymous. A move to film is a documentary matter, but the 5D is no documentation with security-camera, but a scenic.
Moreover, the route over the HDV50i completely wrong. Reason 1, I have explained above, base 2 is the conversion after 50i ... this is simply a technical Bockmist total.
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Antwort von opo:
I recognize the meaning is not somehow synonymous. A move to film is a documentary matter, but the 5D is no documentation with security-camera, but a scenic.
Moreover, the route over the HDV50i completely wrong. Reason 1, I have explained above, base 2 is the conversion after 50i ... this is simply a technical Bockmist total.
MB Nix for ungut,
I am grateful for the help. But actually I thought more than s.Antworten reviews. I will certainly be better in the matter and then incorporate less Bockmist build.
I have the 5D anyway as the camera and then it makes little sense to me also an extra video camera with him.
Unfortunately yes synonymous shakes the file from the JVC to edit much, so synonymous here to be necessary for conversion seems apparent.
So please, again the question of whether someone has experience, whether the Recherwechsel, as I have described him a significant advantage. Even in terms of Konverteiren or Direktverarbeiten the JVC files.
Best thanks in advance
Oliver
Antwort von Marco:
"If you ernshtaft in anamorphic HDV 4:2:0 with walking, is the latest complete your final scrap." That is absolutely clear to me, is basically synonymous's certainly true, but I think it is always something very relative in terms of individual rights framework and consider otherwise quickly with Kanonon shot at sparrows. The optimal solution is not always the best.
Since the original posting editing programs like Pinnacle Studio and Movie Studio and budget of EUR 800 for the hardware mentioned, I just assumed that even a signal converted to 720p would be quite sufficient, although I use this format anyway, but only for first a small test was recommended. What then ultimately as a "real" editing format is the best choice would be the time I leave very uncertain.
Complete scrap, however, there will be even at 720p30 not change, because before I wrote that I have a few tests to verify. The resulting signals are perfectly usable as long as no particular color or other demanding signal changes are implemented. This is the performance especially in this format even on small systems are still great and through the preservation of 30p happen no additional, unnecessary disfigurement.
"I've just finished a 12 seconds file from the 5D with HDV 1080-50i gerandert than Mpeg2. Satte Has lasted 50 Minit 1. So I had deliberately
not synonymous HDV 1080-50i, but 720-30p is recommended. This will probably render much faster and does not look worse. Try test times with exactly this format. If you are satisfied, while maintaining the first, if not, the best intermediate format for you synonymous depending on the software you use for editing will be found.
What hardware is concerned - a change of 1.6 GHz to 2 GHz is not a great leap forward, it is felt nonetheless probably be. But it would be a half investment. Take for HD editing with such formats as discussed above, the fastest processor, for the money to get is. For 800 euros which would have faster than 2 GHz to get his.
Marco
Antwort von opo:
Thank you,
I've compatriots, and these two calculator accurately targeted. Does anyone kinternet on a hook.
Dell:
http://www1.euro.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/laptop_studio_17?c=de&l=de&s=dhs&cs=dedhs1&~oid=de~de~80854~jan_laptop_studio_17_n0173504~~
and of Sony:
http://vaio.sony.de/view/ShowProduct.action?product=VGN-NS21Z% 2FS & site = voe_de_DE_cons & category = VN + NS + Series & assetid = 1218032875562
I hope I have enough then so annoyed with my problem.
Thanks to the end of greetings
opo
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Antwort von Marco:
I think this is price-/Leistungsverhältnis both onSehe no hooks.
Marco
Antwort von WoWu:
The 5D is in HD at 4:2:0 at 1920x1080. If you are in anamorphic ernshtaft HDV 4:2:0 with walking, is the latest complete scrap your final result, because there is no color to the sampling of more s.der right place, then each Farbpixel in the truest sense of the word next to it.
Why should that be so?
Antwort von deti:
The 5D is in HD at 4:2:0 at 1920x1080. If you are in anamorphic ernshtaft HDV 4:2:0 with walking, is the latest complete scrap your final result, because there is no color to the sampling of more s.der right place, then each Farbpixel in the truest sense of the word next to it.
Why should that be so? Quite stupidly expected it somehow true: If 4:2:0 is the color
- In the horizontal only at every second pixel and correctly
- Never in the vertical, because the color from each of two successive lines is mixed.
If you have 1920 horizontal pixels to 1440, then to 25% fewer pixels whose original color in only 50%. Thus 1440 pixels only 37.5% correct Farbpositionen.
This applies of course only with linear interpolation.
Where I am now charged? ;-)
Deti
Antwort von WoWu:
Deti Hi,
As has MacBall .. but lucky for him that you step into the breach.
There is still not entirely clear to me the name
Farbposition, which is used here?
What should it be?
Should be a pixel shift?
Should the location of the samples in the sampling be?
Generally, but new samples for the subsequent signal mostly from Bicubic interpolation is calculated, and often from a NN + BK, no preference, whether 1440 or 1280 or just SD 720th
The location of the samples is in the new signal that is always first!
The new Farbsamples are always synonymous, depending on the surrounding Interpolatuonsmethode from several samples.
16 is no uncommon number. (Other Interpolationswerte once turned off)
So if you believe that only the neighboring line serves as reference, are mistaken.
Then likely interlaced images in a Color Field no longer have.
This means that for a down-conversion of 1920 After 1440 even exists oversampling and the relatively new Farbsamples thereby can be accurately calculated.
So where (except for the fact that the Resolutionher of course a difference between 1920 and 1440 there) should be the problem? And why it should be of 1920 After 1440 worse, as of 1920 After 1280, as of MacBall .. claims?
Antwort von deti:
My bill was obviously incorrect insofar as the assumptions that are not voted. Correct would be:
- Camera is in each pixel to 100% is defined in RGB (Bayer algorithm we leave because of the high physical Resolutiondes sensor times out),
- The interpolation is for obvious reasons synonymous not linear, as synonymous already WoWu mentioned.
One could, therefore, the result of the conversion to 4:2:0 perhaps rather be described as follows: The unterbestimmten Farbdifferenzwerte lie down with decreasing "coverage" to the respective y-pixel positions. Thus, the color of a "Y-Pixels" _immer_ from several neighboring Farbdifferenzwerten formed. This is the numerical influence of all involved in color unterbestimmten sum for each pixel is always the same. There are no synonymous pixels in which the color to 100% of any difference information is determined. When properly then scaling should occur Farbpositionierungsfehler not synonymous.
This is my attempt at digital video end-user level to explain ... - Sorry can I better not.
Deti
Antwort von Marco:
Movie Studio, the software that the questioner can use it to choose between scaling with point-sampling, bilinear and bicubic scaling scaling with integration. That as a theoretical background.
In practice, when attempting the 5D2-Downskalieren signals (1920x1080p30) with the above software (with bicubic scale integration) to HDV 720p30 shows signal in the simple visual inspection, with no adverse changes in the color. Even normal color (light Farbdrifts, adjustments of contrast and brightness) and chroma-key easy to succeed with the 720p30 signal yet entirely satisfactory.
Would be for the highest standards under a very critical look at would be the leaf is probably apply, but then would be the optimal approach has not (always assuming that it comes to the 5D2 to accept as a given and it simply the best out of). Because then you can have not just arbitrarily the 5D2 signal into the editing software to decode, but we must scrupulously careful to ensure, in advance for a tool to find this process with the specific color space conversions and clean out what's apparently no editing software provides.
Because I would rather spend less time worrying about the scaling down to make as 720p30 HDV to as intermediate format. This format, however, is for the questioner in his programs and by simply tangible benefit entitlement ago still reasonably easy to handle.
If I were the 5D2 signal on other channels with better Farbraumkonvertierng to decode and 720p30 as Wavelet 4:2:2 signal convert, then the result itself farbbasierende post better quality than when I take it easy in the editing software decoded original signal use. Checked then ultimately as a 720p output.
Therefore I consider scaling down to 720p30, especially since I assume that the claims are not at top level post, for the questioner as a negligible factor.
Marco
Antwort von opo:
Hello,
I would like to once again annoying.
I am now since the middle of the disciples 90ziger Bill Gates (I know it does not hold better). Looks good reasons someone asked my input hardware issue with a switch to Mac to answer. If yes, what Mac or Macbook would be a good start at least, faster than with my current hardware to work (again, a mobile solution would be preferred).
Greeting
opo
Antwort von MarcBallhaus:
Because I would rather spend less time worrying about the scaling down to make as 720p30 HDV to as intermediate format. This format, however, is for the questioner in his programs and by simply tangible benefit entitlement ago still reasonably easy to handle.
If I were the 5D2 signal on other channels with better Farbraumkonvertierng to decode and 720p30 as Wavelet 4:2:2 signal convert, then the result itself farbbasierende post better quality than when I take it easy in the editing software decoded original signal use. Checked then ultimately as a 720p output.
Marco Only I talk like this, because HDV is only intermediate, not the end, because as such it would probably eträglich, but then again solls yes certainly be something else.
I work synonymous with other video data usually 720p, synonymous in 1080 when it was rotated, it looks kind of crunchy, feels smooth s.and works wonderfully in grading even if the starting material was 4:2:0. But HDV 720 from 1080 to do so is somehow meaningless.
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Antwort von WoWu:
Then again I may quote:
The 5D is in HD at 4:2:0 at 1920x1080. If you are in anamorphic ernshtaft HDV 4:2:0 with walking, is the latest complete scrap your final result, because there is no color to the sampling of more s.der right place, then each Farbpixel in the truest sense of the word next to it. But HDV 720 from 1080 to do so is somehow meaningless. Well what now? Above do you have against 1440 gewettert, now suddenly is 720 synonymous not in order, although it is not anamorphic ...
So with other words ... no HDV, neither 1440 nor 1280 gefällt ...
since HDV is only intermediate, not the end, because as such it would probably eträglich, but then again solls so determined to be something else. .... So, with KARACHO about the "worst of all signals in an imaginary super-signal ... what's it must then be?
And why should such a signal then somehow better "look after a crude interpolation in the camera has an H.264 compression, then in a" coarse "MPEG2 DCT has been squashed and still a fairly crude interpolation after about 1280 had to be made .... ?
it looks kind of crunchy, feels smooth s.and works splendidly in the Grading Ah, so that I had obviously forgotten .... "smooth" ... I did not do so now so called images, which probably synonymous in the last sample of some no longer has the original sample.
But of course that is a striking argument, after the others (including me) already with good pictures would be satisfied ... but "smooth" is obviously still better classes ... where's that? In the ballroom?
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Opo
Wait it out until the "snow-leopard" is because of Apple. It should come in January 09 ...
With the system, you have opportunities that Grafikardware in the new computers to make better use of the synonymous and modern CPU architectures efficiently.
Thus you can with any probability synonymous then the H.264 natively from the camera to cut and can get away for the then still select a different format, with H.264 if you do not come next test.
You bypass all the nonsense quality ... but of course, the picture then simply ur good ... it is still far from being "easy" has become.
Deti @
That was perfect, if not synonymous simply explained.
And I must mention that even with linear and synonymous even with only "nearest neighbor" interpolation such errors can not occur, because with "nearest" is not the adjacent (also often non-existent) sample mean, but the next use, then according to its actual distance is weighted. Which are not "missing" samples.
A name can I still do not really lane:
Farbpositionierungsfehler. The concept, I know only from the mechanical positioning of print heads and to me slightly missing the connection with video ... because I would still need to catch up.
Antwort von deti:
@ WoWu
A name can I still do not really lane:
Farbpositionierungsfehler.
Hehe, that was an attempt MB's phrase "from the Color scanning more s.der right place" in a word to pack.
Deti
Antwort von Marco:
Oliver with his system is basically already the H.264 files natively edit, but not without recalculation spend. That and the quality is not his problem. The problem is simply that its H.264 files in full quality and resolution Even with a 2,000-euro notebook still not liquid can be played back and intermediates such as lossless or uncompressed HuffYUV or Lagarith-compressed versions because of the extreme data rates is not redundant on the hardware available to it will be up and running.
For his performance problem, he needs other compromises. For him, the cut in its software as a p30-HD immediately usable practicable available:
Quicktime formats (like MPEG-4, PNG, TIFF) and AVC format (such as AVCHD), but all of its performance problems are not solved. In addition, MPEG-2 (such as HDV) and WMV.
MPEG-2 and WMV are USALS 720p30 absolutely impracticable for him to use. The HDV as a pretext to Intermediate I certainly, but he has the advantage that it is this intermediate, if no further signal changes makes smart-render and can, despite all the reservations about the quality - so the results are good. Perhaps WMV but actually even better suited. The performance must not be so much worse.
Keep him as yet Leistungsverbesserer various AVI format in a VfW version. Direct is available in its software which nothing useful, unless there were already other codecs installed on the system. DivX I have tested, but restricts the color strongly, thus lagging the ultimate quality of HDV and WMV still behind, is synonymous with regard to the poor performance Kompatibiltätsprobleme and thus are inevitable. DivX and XviD, I would still be long before Intermediate HDV and WMV exclusive.
Maybe you're still a good idea about what other VfW AVI codec for Oliver would be easy to use, a similar good performance as HDV or WMV could offer, but still of good quality would be. Otherwise he would be with HDV or WMV probably still s.besten served.
Marco
Antwort von MarcBallhaus:
Then again I may quote:
No, you can not.
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