Frage von Sternschnuppe:
Welcome to the forum!
I've still no output device (screen, monitor) for my HF100. I've just been recording on my laptop LCD (1280X800 pixels) viewed. Now I would like the full Resolutiongenießen and am at a test in the dealer went to a device to acquire. The result was (synonymous to the Consultants in the store) is very sobering!
Test condition: HF100 HDMI cable directly with HDMI input connected to the flat screen TV.
Resolution1080i50: All devices of different Manufacturer came more or less easily.
Resolution1080p25: All devices show extreme motion artefacts. For most devices, it looks as if a signal is interlace with false Halbbildanordnung on a tube TV is spent! Only Samsung series 6 showed a slightly better, but it is "smeared" Picture in motion. Picture synonymous But this was a disaster.
In considering the issue on my laptop, I have no such effects. What dispensers should I purchase now? Which devices have the other video because friends who use the 1080p25 mode?
Already many thanks for info!
Shooting Star
Antwort von Sternschnuppe:
Hello,
why because no one responds?
Meanwhile have already over 2000 people read my question!
None has as yet tried the 25p mode, or watch all the videos on the computer?
I can not imagine that nobody has tried 25p on a television show. There are so many experts here! Please let me not be stupid and die verratet me how 25p videos are played correctly.
Shooting Star Greeting
Antwort von domain:
I can not really imagine that you have a Full HD flatscreen will then decide whether he is a direct HDMI 1080p format from the HF100 can be satisfactory which did not even real, but how often in camcorders, in reality an I-format with two parallel half but recorded one after the other off.
In itself it would be for TVs so more suitable than a real P-format, but who knows if it not for the deinterlacing routines in TV a bit "confused", because when deinterlaced 1080 in any case.
It adds that 25p a certain recording technique is needed, such as constant exposure time with maximum 1 / 50 sec and slow pans. Incidentally, as a rule the purchase of Graufiltern mean, because the 1/50s in bright light situations despite small aperture and integrated variable Graufilter the HF100 will not be sufficient for a normal picture exposed to.
In the editing program but you will certainly be able to use your existing problematic 1080p25 recording to convert so that you are in a fairly good quality s.TV you can consider.
Antwort von Sternschnuppe:
Domain Hello!
Thanks for the reply.
Of course, it does not matter to me that the television signal synonymous with a direct connection can be correct. The professionally trained as synonymous but I do not assume that because a difference may exist.
Mir is synonymous not clear what you mean by that that I recorded in the 1080p25 editing program to convert it?
- Do you have a conversion to 50i?
- Do you know that the editing program then the "correct P-format produces the Television and then can?
Of course I can once again by a video mixer to send the image, but how should I then the test in stores again?
- When Rückspielung on the HF100 will be determined by the camcorder returns to the "wrong P-format output.
- Or should I s.Notebook Television (HDMI output) to connect?
I would like to play the television in any case before a purchase, because there are so many unanswered questions for me. There are devices which (according to manufacturer) and enabling Vollbild others who do not possess this property. Some devices allow for 100 Hz and generate intermediate images that others can not. None of my equipment was found for 25p specified, but for 24p. It is unclear to me whether the synonymous devices 24p and 25p accept that the 100 Hz devices synonymous Between generate images at 25p, or about this can only 50i?
I hope that this video are friends, the little clarity in this matter can bring. The dealer seems to me there is something to be overwhelmed.
Antwort von domain:
In my opinion, include the Sony Bravias always at the technological front-runners. Although more cost than the competition, but it's worth synonymous. I would, for example, the KDL-46X4500 fairly well liked, but the price scares currently come from pretty.
Then it's a question of holding a player to find, for example, the new
http://shop.strato.de/epages/61238048.sf/de_DE/?ObjectPath=/Shops/61238048/Products/5029
including 1 Terabytefestplatte and a format that your video can play perfectly.
Antwort von Daigoro:
There are devices which (according to manufacturer) and enabling Vollbild others who do not possess this property. Some devices allow for 100 Hz and generate intermediate images that others can not. None of my equipment was found for 25p specified, but for 24p. It is unclear to me whether the synonymous devices 24p and 25p accept that the 100 Hz devices synonymous Between generate images at 25p, or about this can only 50i?
24p is supported for movies.
Otherwise, it's 50p or 50i (60 for NTSC-land). The 1080p25 is, as far as I could find out, again as 1080i50 transferred -> the 25p mode of the cameras is relatively meaningless, what to bring to television.
Is it possible for computer / internet to play.
If you have nothing for computer / Internet machst, forget that the 25p camera can take and what compatible (1080i50 halt). Gains are you doing virtually nothing by 25p (50p if you would like, what would be otherwise - but it is not).
That one 50i takes to bring it back later de-interlace to leave (because the LCDs / Plasmas do not have Skip) may indeed seem strange, but it is so - had said clear standards and clearly helpful, but again is not.
ps player is an approach synonymous. In addition to the popcorn you can even synonymous NEN HTPC tinker (see thread in the 'my projects') - now for good 250Ocken including hard drive and DVD-Rom.
The HTPC is zb 1080p50 over HDMI out and plays smooth synonymous 25p material from -> at the moment the most flexible option synonymous HD material on the screen to get.
Antwort von Axel:
All of this format-confusion reminds me krass s.die early days of the DVD player. Pricey pigs, and is compatible with nothing: no MP3, no DivX, no DVD + R, my first was not even bought (!) DVD-DL (started with "Titanic," before everything had for turning two DVDs, or, if Feature short, single layer) play, and was only barely murmuring after the warranty by Panasonic with an update, which (as it is not yet in the network were). Two years later, we got these things at reasonable prices, and they were better in every respect.
Conclusion for me: For the transfer is worth the investment in BD at the moment not yet. Movies I Own synonymous directly from the calculator via DVI to the TV market, I am synonymous with 1080p25 still have no Ruckelei observed.
It seems however, that 720p is not only sufficient, there are many studies about it - and everyone can test it yourself that it does 1080i, no loss there. Whether this is actually only with the deinterlacing to be done or not well / much more with the suspicion that this is the Resolutionist that our famous HD Cams
actually achieve?
Antwort von PowerMac:
(...) The 1080p25 is, as far as I could find out, again as 1080i50 transferred -> the 25p mode of the cameras is relatively meaningless, what to bring to television. (...) Wrong. 25p is in psf 50i (25i) transferred. The transfer form has nothing to do with the content to be done. There are and will remain 25p. Reinterlaced is nothing, but only in half packed (psf). 25p is ideal for television.
Antwort von Daigoro:
(...) The 1080p25 is, as far as I could find out, again as 1080i50 transferred Wrong. 25p is in psf 50i (25i) transferred. Sach ma, even silly, you can not be a statement not deny it?
Do you actually even more, because what you write?
The Reinterlacen with which thou hast written.
Antwort von PowerMac:
(...) -> 2 5p mode of the camera is relatively meaningless, what to bring to television.
Is it possible for computer / internet to play. (...)
Antwort von Daigoro:
And? Continue?
Antwort von Axel:
25p mag with some constellation - about Cam s.TV via HDMI or through some (as described more simply stupid) Blu-ray player problems. Neither of the aforementioned computers connected over component of the Cam, there are adverse effects. I should mention that my television is not
full HD. If this is an exclusive FullHD problem, so it is quite funny,
only 1080p25 and 1080p50 are full!
Antwort von domain:
Nee, so that has nothing to do, on the contrary, in full-HD TVs need not even be downskaliert.
The thing is crystal clear, the HF100, a 1080p25 signal over HDMI not right off, it just wants HF100 None of the many users admit ;-))
Antwort von Daigoro:
The thing is crystal clear, the HF100, a 1080p25 signal over HDMI not right off, it just wants HF100 None of the many users admit ;-)) Well, look at google Canon 25 PSF.
so it is quite funny, only 1080p25 and 1080p50 are full! Jaa .. no.
"Full HD" is still pure invention and definition of the respective Manufacturer. This may actually be what it wants, including 1080i. As mentioned already erwaent native 1080p25 support is hard to find (synonymous should not be a problem if the device supports 1080p50 - the images are simply doubled).
The comic logo - analogous to "HD Ready" means "HD Ready 1080p"
http://www.eicta.org/index.php?id=657
Display products bearing the
1080p qualifier logos not only feature a
minimum 1920 x 1080 resolution, but also guarantee that the relevant 1080p signal variants -
24 Hz, 50 Hz and 60 Hz - can be acquired, s.well s.reproduced with the same or higher frame rate. "
Antwort von Axel:
And? Is this theory or about what Sternschnuppe and other experiences s.praktischen portray? It is now true that we are now, despite mostly progressive output devices still this interlace Altlasten lug. If you want HD Cam of the play directly via HDMI, you're obviously on "i" forced. Or you Get such a TV, if you are from fundamentalist reasons, no "i" want to use. The best over 50 "because of which you see the difference at all. As I have already won because of a bet.
Antwort von Daigoro:
And? Is this theory or about what Sternschnuppe and other experiences s.praktischen portray?
The covers are exceptional, since neither 1080p25 yet 1080pfs25 part of the recommendations.
That is so neat to get out is not guaranteed.
It is now true that we are now, despite mostly progressive output devices still this interlace Altlasten lug. If you want HD Cam of the play directly via HDMI, you're obviously on "i" forced. Of the world is not covered. Had I said yes - 1080i50 is in the "HD Ready" Recommendation of it (and it is synonymous good show - except of course for older devices with poor deinterlacer), for best compatibility you should halt to zurueckgreifen. Camera 1080p24/p50/p60 can not.
PowerMac The Lord said to me not to have to speak again.
Antwort von leoHDV:
Hi everybody!
So if I go with the 25p mode (Canon hv 20) record, is it better than shutter 25 or 50 to take?
Many greetings!
Antwort von domain:
There is a fundamental difference. Thanks to various CMOS Camcorder Consumer synonymous 50i deferred recorded each half with 1 / 25 sec exposure, which is theoretically impossible as yet actually appeared.
Looks a bit odd, because the pictures in strong movements partially overlap.
In 25p mode, but not the half of time-but at the same time.
At best, however, is currently filming in 50i to 50p is genuine and in particular factions synonymous properly and without deinterlacing in TVs anchored.
