Frage von lienzi:
Hello,
need a camcorder (junior) ... We already have a LCD Television (HD ready, no FullHD) and are in search of a camcorder.
Currently, I am very much on the Canon HF100 inserted, but now I've read that new Panasonics come. I understand that much now even coffee grounds read .. but would you wait? A very important criterion is Lowlight performance.
Do you like the pricing of the new Panasonics will look? The Canon is by cash back-action and the relatively good prices (s.729) priced very interesting.
Another question to HF100: we have a Toshiba 37C3530D ... as "good" is the picture with the Canon? Is it clear that it is not as good as his FullHD, but not so the Canon is not really synonymous to FullHD.
Antwort von Zizi:
The Canon takes real FullHD on .. interlaced and progressive.
We can not with beta Holywood 70mm cams compare FullHD but the name it has in my opinion deserves .. In contrast to Pana SD9, sony TG3 etc..
I think the Panas 3mos pretty good thanks Lowlight will have but little sharpener like the HF100.
I'm appreciative priced between ¬ 900 ¬ -1500.
Ists Ausstattungsmäßig probably not a great effort to beat the HF100 because the equipment is really bad!
If you can wait .. dan wait .. otherwise the HF100.
Should you be "boring" to watch the SonySr11 at times.
The Has everything you missed in the HF100 just s.Schärfe is marginally weaker .. but this is likely to find your Toshiba hardly noticeable.
Achja at Amazon - Cashback you get the HF100 to 650 ¬!
Antwort von Jan:
The question is only when the Panasonic models are available here.
It is rather because of the fall 2008 to spring 2009 expect. Until then, it's synonymous RF 200th ....
I join as Zizi, especially in the Focus range, there will be no extreme improvements in Lowlight already. But the current HF 100 is now significantly better in low light than the SD 9 & HS 9, so you can not synonymous as much more - only an approximation.
I'm just surprised why Panasonic has become the only manufacturer still goes on 3 chips. JVC has learned from its mistakes and now there are AVCHD & MPEG 2 (27MBit/sek) 1 / 3 "CMOS models. And lo and behold the JVC HD 40 with 1 / 3" CMOS is lengths better than the old HD 6, synonymous Tick if they NEN worse than the Canon is.
You've simply with Chipper with a 3 per 500 or 600k pixels bad cards against a Canon & Sonywith 2-3 million pixels at an HD picture.
Even in Europe, Panasonic has no release for the SD & HS 100
announced. Really funny ....
Are there perhaps 1 / 3 "1 Panasonic chip devices in planning?
Cashback gibts not take long for the HF 100, so the camera falls to 1.8 times synonymous equal to 60 ¬.
At the end you can wait forever, it comes every year anyway, a new model out.
And makes the HF 100 is not always so bad, so clearly lacks a Viewfinder, zebra and a regular accessory shoe. But from the manual shutter and Tonaussteuerung not dreaming any current Sony HDV.
VG
Jan
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
as "good" is the picture with the Canon Sharp, which for many is not necessarily beautiful to be esthetic (see movies) and a Rot-/Rosa-Farbstich Picture in haste, so before the manual white balance, or later in the NLE rausrechnen. The sky is often just Weak in Comparison Blue with other cameras. The color shift you see in the printed color in VAD ...
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Jan
You've simply with Chipper with a 3 per 500 or 600k pixels bad cards against a Canon & Sonywith 2-3 million pixels at an HD picture. But this is pretty borderline:
With 3 x 700,000, you're with a horizontal resolution of 966 pixels or less equal with a 2.04 Mpix (997).
Sure, there will be anything worse, except in the 3-Chiper is with pixel shift worked, then the supposedly low-resolution chips clear advantage.
Still one: 700,000 pixels, the chips have a pixel pitch (at 1 / 3 ") of r. 5¼
The "equivalent" 2.04 Mpix chips was only 2.91 ¼.
With 3 Mpix you're already only at 2.4 ¼. (What was it again the same wavelength of GREEN?)
Your colors are all so very beautifully soft ... visors and you can no longer synonymous use without diffraction effects.
What do you think, so what the chip does better pictures?
I would in any event, all the male 5¼ prefer.
Reasons, there are a dozen of that.
So just go to the back Pixelzählerei los .... the cameras with one chip, but the many pixels do very often the worst images from the 3-chip version with supposedly little pixel.
Antwort von motiongroup:
But this is pretty borderline:
With 3 x 700,000, you're with a horizontal resolution of 966 pixels or less equal with a 2.04 Mpix (997).
Sure, there will be anything worse, except in the 3-Chiper is with pixel shift worked, then the supposedly low-resolution chips clear advantage.
Still one: 700,000 pixels, the chips have a pixel pitch (at 1 / 3 ") of r. 5¼
The "equivalent" 2.04 Mpix chips was only 2.91 ¼.
With 3 Mpix you're already only at 2.4 ¼. (What was it again the same wavelength of GREEN?)
Your colors are all so very beautifully soft ... visors and you can no longer synonymous use without diffraction effects.
What do you think, so what the chip does better pictures?
I would in any event, all the male 5¼ prefer.
Reasons, there are a dozen of that.
So just go to the back Pixelzählerei los .... the cameras with one chip, but the many pixels do very often the worst images from the 3-chip version with supposedly little pixel. Mr. Wunderlich Hello, I'm usually particularly relating to AVC not quite on their wavelength, but in this case fully and completely ...
Antwort von ruessel:
Mich was until now no video camera with Pixel Shift in Picture enthusiasm. Since gap apparently a large gap between theory and practice.
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Trunk
Moin Wolfgang,
I think the HVX 200 does have nice pictures and proposes itself valiantly against the EX1 / 3 ... Only drawback is that the expense of sensitivity goes. But if the pixel pitch is large enough, (and it is on these sensors, so the case), it is all the more charming than "Gewürge" 2.04 y of PP, as the millions of chips.
@ Motion group
Thank you for your message ... AVC comes in the nor synonymous, at least if it is a really good couple of times has been implemented ... -smile -
Best Regards
Antwort von Jan:
Well It can hardly agree.
Why get the 3-chip models of JVC and Panasonic with distance from the worst test in line pairs Resolutionund presentation (no preference which magazines)? In the overall picture quality, they are synonymous clearly behind Canon and Sony.
Net has a sensor (which in most consumer HD 3 Chipper 1 / 6 ", 1 / 5" or 1 / 4, 5 ") approx 500,000 pixels - how is the Camera as Canon Sony1 & / 3" with net 2 mio beat? Certainly not in daylight.
Looking quite simply s.der new JVC HD 40 - 1 / 3 "CMOS
HD 40 Test Die 3 Chip HD 6 with 3x 1/5"
JVC HD 6 Test JVC has not without reason a change of 3-chip implemented on a chip, so clear is the cost issue as an issue synonymous.
At least in my chain and Canon Sonydeutlichst successful as Panasonic and JVC HD in the consumer area.
None I could from Panasonic 3 CCD with 1 / 6 "CCD with 500k pixels gut Canon HF 100 similar picture out.
VG
Jan
Antwort von wolfgang:
I know of other voices synonymous to the Meining were that the Pixelshifterei in these Panasonics not the yellow from the egg was. Perhaps this is so much more expensive in HVX200 signal processing massively better - is a different price category.
Whether you wait or buy - good question, it is difficult to answer. Gerda to time with the cash back action, the HF100 is gone like the hot cakes. But everyone needs to know himself whether he is waiting or buying.
Antwort von dominator-video:
Canon will certainly in time for IFA / a Photokina next HF100 on the market. This is probably nothing to be so skinny. On the other are all very conservative, only the prices, no one has more grip. It is primarily for market share. The price war is good for consumers. It sterbe trade.
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Jan
Of course you can only compare same size and not 1 / 6 "with 1 / 3", etc. And you can synonymous with 500,000 not 3.3 million relating to the resolution comparisons, so I had the opposite by two examples. Only it is just reducing the pixels are not negligible ... it has often damaging effects than the lower resolution.
Also hear synonymous with Pixel Shift 1 / 3 ", because the production limit is reached, imagine that less than 1.5 and tolerance in the bonding of the prism ...
Only the change of course, nothing s.den remaining (non) qualities of tiny pixels. Regardless of whether this is (necessarily) shutter is used, because these cameras the aperture can not really use (flexion) or zwangseingeschobene ND filter (Canon), because it somehow makes the diffraction about a need or, or, or.
Everyone tries as his own little tricks in order to circumvent this shortcoming.
The Consumer complain that we no longer can operate manual? .... This is done out of necessity out of the Manufacturer.
In addition there is the requirement s.die Optics ... not so cheap optics, as they sit in the Consumercamcordern is synonymous only approximate the resolution of such chips served.
Production costs down ... that is the motto.
So listen to the most synonymous with the early resolution is far below 1920, because it no longer makes sense, use a higher-resolution chips.
But it remains ... a good 3-chip (without pixel shift) with a reasonable pixel-pitch is all beautiful to me rather than compromise such devices.
And what the test is concerned .... na you would know ... Results of the kitchen and look at the next ad or test, just to be first again, the device is in the hands and saves a report, the sales of the leaf promotes or generates more clicks.
Because Clicks are visible Money.
@ Wolfgang
I do not now, of what pixel size for the cameras talk, but as I said, under 3y Pixel Shift is probably synonymous Murx.
And the thing with the wait ... and buy ... I am now entirely your opinion ... buy if you can wait no longer. And soon, there's always something new ...
Only those who buy now and believes he would already have a product get 1920s who believes probably synonymous nor s.den Easter Bunny.
In 1920 the Consumer cameras are still a long way ... if they have ever (to the price) should come.
And in relation to the waiting .... So on the MOS chips, I would have to wait, because the changes to CMOS but are glaring and the cameras are already in Japan for a while there .. it can no longer take so long, unless the companies want in Europe sell off their old models ...
Antwort von Jan:
So although the autumn of 2008 - Video Active has the same times as a short practice test:
Antwort von Zizi:
Cool .. but if you ask me, I find the 25 lux Picture sd100 little of advanced ...
I treasure the new Panas are Lowlight on SD1 and his level of sharpness rarely ran s.den new Canons coming!
A pity I did until now hoped more!
At least it has a focus ring again!
Oh the way .. why has the HF100 video Active in the test images Lowlight much better than the HF10?
http://www.videoaktiv.de/Test pictures / Canon / Canon HF-100.html http://www.videoaktiv.de/Test pictures / Canon / Canon HF-10.html they're completely identical cameras and differ only by memory!
Antwort von WoWu:
Citation Video Active:
3 New MOS chips (Panasonic verkneift the term CMOS marketing reasons because Three Cee-Mos sounds so ugly) Thus the author is already disqualified!
(Although I read somewhere ever had ... can this be, that such a silly word for word almost synonymous in the article stood Slashcam?)
What should one of such a test just hold.
Bruno, Wolfgang, look to see that
your finally a camera in hand gets, this is really embarrassing!
Zizi
Cool .. but if you ask me, I find the 25 lux Picture sd100 little of advanced ... Are you sure that your monitor is switched on?
Antwort von motiongroup:
What should one of such a test just hold Nothing .. stood in the last two editions of the VAD for the tests, the JVC HD5 and HD6 for Cam Progressivausgabe via the original files of the hard drive in the format 1080i30 to 1080p50 and convert For this problems arise when you play .. * gggg *
Have written to the VAD ...
Reply .. I should prove the contrary ..
Have I done that, contact JVC at Slashcam rückgefragt and demo files angetestet ..
Return of the VAD resp. of testing laboratories did not until now ..
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... Original files on the hard drive format 1080i30 ... Is there a U.S. unit have been tested?
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von motiongroup:
no two devices Pal ..
According to JVC, the procedure ..
25p-50p-50i ..... how they come 30i no idea and the whole two times
I was synonymous with Slashcam demand and get the right answer * ggg
Antwort von Zizi:
Are you sure that your monitor is switched on?
Yes ;-) .. The HV20 is Lowlightbild level if you ask me?
what should be a lot better? quite honestly if you hear the chatter "lowlight" mini dan etc. I expect that an already better than the 1 Chipper competition (HF100, SD1)!
None can tell me why the HF10 and the HF100 VAD in the test images on your page are so different?
Antwort von wolfgang:
Oh the way .. why has the HF100 video Active in the test images Lowlight much better than the HF10?
http://www.videoaktiv.de/Test pictures / Canon / Canon HF-100.html
http://www.videoaktiv.de/Test pictures / Canon / Canon HF-10.html
they're completely identical cameras and differ only by memory! Also interesting - I must look at the test reports in detail.
Bruno, Wolfgang, look to see that your finally a camera in hand gets, this is really embarrassing!
The SD100 is likely only to get, if you test creation at Panasonic - the HF100, I've been here yesterday. These things need a while.
Antwort von motiongroup:
Oh the way .. why has the HF100 video Active in the test images Lowlight much better than the HF10?
http://www.videoaktiv.de/Test pictures / Canon / Canon HF-100.html
http://www.videoaktiv.de/Test pictures / Canon / Canon HF-10.html
they're completely identical cameras and differ only by memory! then take a look at the pictures of the JVC Hd at 5 and 6 ..
http://www.videoaktiv.de/Test pictures/JVC/JVC-GZ-HD-5-EX.html
http://www.videoaktiv.de/Test pictures/JVC/JVC-GZ-HD-6-EX.html
But not only the LOW LIGHT Division
funny ...* ggg
Antwort von Zizi:
For Dennen yes synonymous although the same building must have ..
one has an explanation for this?
Antwort von motiongroup:
Now I know why not synonymous but they should have put it out ..* gg
http://www.medienbureau.de/Messlabore.html
especially when these customers to further information ..
http://www.medienbureau.de/Kunden.html
Antwort von WoWu:
That would be the end of the "customer list", which, whose publications in the same one tonne may occur ... because they share the same "crap" spread.
@ Motion group
I was synonymous with Slashcam demand ... Nothing for ungut but whether the response of SC is always right, is synonymous in much doubt ... the editorial staff has almost literally identical nonsense disseminated, as in the AV items.
@ Zizi
Sorry, then I had understood it differently and thought you would have on the relative SD9 ... no, everything clear.
Antwort von motiongroup:
It was not about slash VAD or rather the answer is what is wrong .. I have the JVC statement relating to the subject and the story of me Slahscam confirm. Not more not less
mfg
Antwort von Jan:
The HF 100 Picture I had long seen as too bright - I've already written at that time synonymous - is not as Klugscheisserei thought. Looks like ne 1 / 25 or longer.
Well, now that should not be rancorous against VAD, as a whole it is a good magazine.
Whether MOS or CMOS eh soon we get out, unfortunately I have only good contacts with Canon & Sony, Panasonic has its internal information, always very late next.
Oh, did you have with the new Canon 24 MBit / sec seen?
As can pack Pana eh .....
HG 21 & HF 11 VG
Jan
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Jan
Thanks for the link, but it was expected that the AVC camcorders now come out of the drawer and scaling synonymous attractive offer.
What VAD, it should not cause and effect confused.
Anyone who writes something together, can have a negative echo not complain and I should better the involvement of competent scribe operate.
Whether MOS or CMOS eh soon we get out, unfortunately I have only good contacts with Canon & Sony, Panasonic has its internal information, always very late next. What do you want to get out there ... it is clear that the cameras MOS sensors to act and the same thing as CMOS, should such editors for at least 3 years, since 2005, the first device so equipped.
Also, the differences should be really familiar ... seems not so.
So so good can not be the Magazine ...
Antwort von Jan:
Because yes, the magazine decided to agree that these two models is not MOS chips are ....
We will see ....
VG
Jan
Antwort von WoWu:
Why should European models in its other chips, as in Japanese models?
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&u=http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20080618/pana.htm
In the Japanese claims is synonymous referring to the changing architecture of the MOS sensors used and the advantages over CMOS, synonymous, the new Micro-lens system and the photonic filter is as advertised.
Also, it is noted that compared to CMOS MOS modified (enlarged) Photo sensors has.
If you look at the trouble to have the differences of the individual sensors to evaluate one would easily can see that the Japanese press release speaks a clear language.
The product, MOS sensor used three of the world's first ( ; 1) of 3 MOS (metal-oxide three) provides a further realize the high sensitivity of the optical zoom 12 new full-court RAIKADIKOMARENZU the new HD Crystal Engine, to further pursue high quality.
So, when shooting a video face, landscape, dark, and five scenes that appropriate compensation is done automatically, users do not care kirei can shoot the world's first ( ; 2) "Omakase iA" with the city. The video asset statement is likely to be similar to what motion group described above.
But you would so, who can read is a clear advantage ...
So with the reading, it seems to be synonymous with VAD hapern ...
Antwort von Jan:
upps
Antwort von motiongroup:
CCD, CMOS light-receiving area to expand its own Live MOS sensor, 1 / 6 - "½ (New) MAIKOBIKON" using 3-plate "3 MOS. 1 sensor per pixel effective resolution of 520.000, is 61 million pixels total pixels. ½ MAIKOBIKON adopting, SD9/HS9 adopted by the 3 CCD, compared with a sensor light-receiving area for expanding the sensitivity of conventional and high ratio of 2 times the previous 5 lux minimum illumination of 2 lux (shutter speed 1 / 30) improved . Excited about the reaction I'm ..* ggg
Moreover, I still have no reply to my evidence to get ...
On a different response relating to editing programs, I have been with the author set up a mail traffic to a few things into perspective in the last test also completely gone ...
Particularly insightful is he not yet, not even when I had written him that the errors were confirmed by the manufacturer ..
The only truly effective solution by importing AVCHD to AVCHD authoring consistently occupied the last place. The software for HD editing is not included is the last patch was the test winner ... Attention all!
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
VAD ... * ggg
Antwort von wolfgang:
On a different response relating to editing programs, I have been with the author set up a mail traffic to a few things into perspective in the last test also completely gone ...
Particularly insightful is he not yet, not even when I had written him that the errors were confirmed by the manufacturer ..
The only truly effective solution by importing AVCHD to AVCHD authoring consistently occupied the last place. The software for HD editing is not included is the last patch was the test winner ... Attention all! I've synonymous recent times the chief editor wrote that especially for the NLE test is also rather too much. I noticed this particularly when NLEs are tested, which I know very well - and then there may be read, not about what works (and I am sure that it works).
Here do you well on the test, where VDL against against Pinnacle Studio Video Director begun? Since I was the VdL victory somewhat synonymous wondered ... But please.
Although I normally consider the tests of the camcorder massively better, I must say. Sooo here is the ill-VAD does not, I think. Because the least synonymous measured.
Antwort von Modellbahner:
Hello, when I look at the test report and so through my experience, I decided to come to the loser (Power Director 7) to choose. I have been working for about 6 weeks with this program, zuesrt prevail among loaded with files and then with those of my HF100. I have the other synonymous Programs tested, but that was all not true. Bucking and Zuckeln or the program without extensive activations wanted the files are not, or reading the files artete to a waiting game from the same and more. I think that I am actually at the moment have found effetivste program. I do not like for example the evaluation of the program zustenade comes zuwenig Effects? Realtime tracks? The loser 7 video tracks in AVCHD! Good only 2 audio studio has not synonymous Magix mehrm ok. I need this, not all. In my opinion, to PD7 time best performers for the hobby user in relation to AVCHD.
Gruß Bernd
Antwort von Moviedet:
Dear VAD dissatisfied ;-),
the thread is developing slowly away from the actual topic. Nevertheless, I would like to advertise your understanding. Video Aktiv Digital (formerly named differently), I read now since 1994. In all the years has always given me good guidance and is not served as a Bible. Would like to VAD synonymous think I do not. In the mass consumer sets his personal priorities of each of his other hobbies. It is thus impossible for each of its editorial readers' needs. Of course, the concern then, so can sometimes synonymous mistakes. Who is infallible? A newspaper but live mainly from input. Is this wrong, it can only synonymous with a bad article get out, if you do not own the possibility of research exists.
Moreover, increasingly synonymous journalists under deadline pressure - look at but only once the mini product cycles of the current AVCHD cams to. How can we as yet with high quality tests in the context of the general cost pressure to meet? The issue is further that the latest camcorder usually only a short time the free editors available.
As for the NLE's, because I have more understanding. My own example: I am now since version 4 with "Vegas" (meanwhile 8b). But I can out perhaps 60% of the possibilities. Never would I trust a qualified article about this NLE to write. And journalists have much less time in the depths of such a complex program to join. One can accuse the publishers, however, that they are not the well-known expert for a program, etc. for help (for Vegas, for example, Marco Baer). Then, the error sources such test safely minimized.
So, I am now just bothered me in the position of a VAD-employee to move. This is easily attached, you do not want the mainstream following the collective top cutting forfeited. And what the reaction of VAD, because I remember s.ein like saying: "How in the forest calls, so schallt out!" Oh, I voted with the publisher and the newspaper, except that I am a reader, nothing to do and the administration may wish to me for this OT seizure forgive.
Greeting
Detlev
Antwort von VIDEOAKTIV DIGITAL:
Why should European models in its other chips, as in Japanese models?
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&u=http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20080618/pana.htm
In the Japanese claims is synonymous referring to the changing architecture of the MOS sensors used and the advantages over CMOS, synonymous, the new Micro-lens system and the photonic filter is as advertised.
Also, it is noted that compared to CMOS MOS modified (enlarged) Photo sensors has.
If you look at the trouble to have the differences of the individual sensors to evaluate one would easily can see that the Japanese press release speaks a clear language.
The product, MOS sensor used three of the world's first ( ; 1) of 3 MOS (metal-oxide three) provides a further realize the high sensitivity of the optical zoom 12 new full-court RAIKADIKOMARENZU the new HD Crystal Engine, to further pursue high quality.
So, when shooting a video face, landscape, dark, and five scenes that appropriate compensation is done automatically, users do not care kirei can shoot the world's first ( ; 2) "Omakase iA" with the city.
The video asset statement is likely to be similar to what motion group described above.
But you would so, who can read is a clear advantage ...
So with the reading, it seems to be synonymous with VAD hapern ... Dear Mr. Wunderlich,
unlike you, we have what we say, do not read or gegoogelt but personally heard: The Japanese developer of the camcorder and the German product manager, both on multiple demands in an interview confirmed how the name "3MOS" has come to a position as a marketing name, exactly as it is the colleague of Slashcam synonymous ever reported.
So, please make your false claims about VAD A. Or were you in the conversation here?
Red. VIDEO ACTIVE
Antwort von lienzi:
@ VIDEO ACTIVE DIGITAL: you have the opportunity synonymous the Lowlight behavior Comparison eg HF100 to test? Unfortunately, I Detlev rather indicate that the thread of something I created from the subject is ...
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
So, please make your false claims about VAD A. What are "false claims" is really the question?
Antwort von blip:
Video Active Citation: "3 New MOS chips (Panasonic verkneift the term CMOS marketing reasons because Three Cee-Mos sounds so ugly)"
Thus the author is already disqualified!
(Although I read somewhere ever had ... can this be, that such a silly word for word almost synonymous in the article stood Slashcam?)
What should one of such a test just hold.
Bruno, Wolfgang, look to see that your finally a camera in hand gets, this is really embarrassing! Hello Wolfgang,
Panasonic Germany has just synonymous us explicitly confirmed that the new 3MOS sensors to CMOS technology. The C was from "internal reasons" in the description is omitted. And yes, quite right, we have indeed had suspected that the Marktetingabteilung the "C" unterschlägt because 3MOS pronounce it better.
Have we again probably lucky (or should be about the years of practice in the delivery of press releases s.Ende but not be in vain ..)
Grüße / Heidi
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Detlev
Your praises in honor of all.
A newspaper but live mainly from input. Is this wrong, it can only synonymous with a bad article get out, if you do not own the possibility of research exists.
Moreover, increasingly synonymous journalists under deadline pressure -- But here, there would have been enough, but the press release to read
carefully, because there was nothing wrong in it and with less than 5 minutes searching the topic would not be so "embarrassing" in the trousers gone.
When I was a CEO (mb) of writing, it should really be enough time, otherwise I would be at my GF tasks and concentrate on writing such articles to colleagues leave, perhaps a little more time.
Antwort von blip:
But here, there would have been enough, but the press release to read carefully, because there was nothing wrong in it and with less than 5 minutes searching the topic would not be so "embarrassing" in the trousers gone.
When I was a CEO (mb) of writing, it should really be enough time, otherwise I would be at my GF tasks and concentrate on writing such articles to colleagues leave, perhaps a little more time. ... Wolfgang? 3MOS = 3CMOS (according to Panasonic, see above), that's the point, right? Did you actually read past posts here?
I think a little apology s.die colleagues of video assets would not be wrong ...
/ Heidi
Antwort von WoWu:
Just not the one where the Japanese publication is read carefully it is none 3 CMOS!
Maybe Panasonic Germany so synonymous in the chip name, then the comparison would be so easy.
You should already know that MOS sensors to CMOS sensors of different.
Well, it is unlike a CCD synonymous MOS technology, however, is significantly different from the architecture and resulting in other parameters. In this respect, the Ausage times of P is not necessarily wrong, but not close, that it is acting MOS.
I think the apology from the VAD s.die readers would be more called for.
Antwort von raymaker:
Just not the one where the Japanese publication is read carefully it is none 3 CMOS!
Maybe Panasonic Germany so synonymous in the chip name, then so would be the comparatively easy.
You should already know that MOS sensors to CMOS sensors of different.
I think the apology from the VAD s.die readers would be required. Which Japanese publications?
Your Sturrheit is probably not be denied. Schade, dass man da same in such a defensive attitude must go. Active video and Slashcam were as much in the diplomatic Diskussionsart.
Antwort von VIDEOAKTIV DIGITAL:
Just not the one where the Japanese publication is read carefully it is none 3 CMOS!
You should already know that MOS sensors to CMOS sensors of different.
I think the apology from the VAD s.die readers would be required. So, dear Wolfgang Wunderlich, slowly it's getting embarrassing: We have never claimed what you represent us. Geht's noch? We have Slashcam as reported, as the name "3MOS" arose. Period. And the Panasonic has given us of face to face told. Got it?
Otherwise: My respect for the ladies and gentlemen of Slashcam - I call that fair play! Thank you, Heidi!
By contrast, we expect WoWu a box of beer s.die Publisher address. Beer - not MOST!
Cheers!
Hans Ernst / Red. VIDEO ACTIVE
Antwort von WoWu:
Which Japanese publications? You have to follow links course synonymous, are offered.
Video Active (and Slashcam) were as much in the diplomatic Diskussionsart. Which Diskussionsart?
Antwort von VIDEOAKTIV DIGITAL:
Which Japanese publications?
You have to follow links course synonymous, are offered.
Video Active (and Slashcam) were as much in the diplomatic Diskussionsart.
Which Diskussionsart? Yes, and you should see if one is on the boardwalk. Now's enough. Over & Out.
Red. VIDEO ACTIVE
Antwort von WoWu:
Hello Mr. Ernst
With sayings Sachthema is unfortunately not from the world was created.
As you must have something substantial invade.
The time will therefore show how the cameras include Chip and the excuse - we have just the name says, is fairly thin.
Antwort von blip:
Just not the one where the Japanese publication is read carefully it is none 3 CMOS!
Maybe Panasonic Germany so synonymous in the chip name, then the comparison would be so easy.
You should already know that MOS sensors to CMOS sensors of different.
Well, it is unlike a CCD synonymous MOS technology, however, is significantly different from the architecture and resulting in other parameters. In this respect, the Ausage times of P is not necessarily wrong, but not close, that it is acting MOS. The reasoning, I can not quite follow, but let me very clearly once again repeat that we call Germany today Panasonic has confirmed (as synonymous to the Japanese developer of the VAD, and he will surely need to know), that the 3MOS sensors to CMOS technology, and although with
C, synonymous if only the press releases of MOS are talking about. Thus, the matter has been clarified, I would say ... / heidi
Antwort von Quadruplex:
Yes, and you should see if one is on the boardwalk. If yes when Mr. Wunderlich is nothing new - the wrong (not the insight, to be).
With sayings Sachthema is unfortunately not from the world was created. As you must have something substantial invade. Just keep yourself tuned ...
Antwort von WoWu:
Is this again the typical quadruplexe bubble?
Heidi @
With all respect ... just hearsay, not hard facts ... and the Japanese press department has doubled in the publications synonymous wrong ...
We will shall see what sensors are and if it turns out to be that Panasonic, in fact, on its flagship development in the sensor in the video field and should have renounced the synonymous targeted new technologies (new Micro lenses and photonic filter) in an old (CMOS) chip development should be implemented (which is quite unlikely to be), then we create the box with the beer synonymous and naturally for the Slashcam editors.
But I'm pretty sure that the beer the other will take away.
Antwort von cici:
@ Trunk
Moin Wolfgang,
I think the HVX 200 does have nice pictures and proposes itself valiantly against the EX1 / 3 ... Only drawback is that the expense of sensitivity goes. Fortunately that is not past!
The latest HVX is exactly the same light as the EX1. It proposes therefore now better than ever ... and the HPX171 is waiting in the wings.
Except for a third ND filter and waveform monitor, the HPX171 is hardly more than the HVX - it simply lacks the tape part, which for many only ballast is / was.
And relating to Pixel Shift:
Firstly I think this is not exactly the same as spatial offset, which in the HVX is used - I like any event, the plausible theory of how real pixel by moving come (such as powdered sugar 2 times through the sieve - are synonymous twice as many " real Pünktchen) and secondly, the practice is simply fantastic, but of course you can argue how much s.Spatial offset and how much is s.anderen factors. How bad can a few large pixels for each if not, otherwise there would have been the HVX is not so far ...
PS: yes I'm new here in the forum! - Some have known me for years as a moderator or digitalvideoschnitt.de from Wolfgang's Forum
Antwort von Quadruplex:
Is this again the typical quadruplexe bubble? No, no - that's your job ...
We will shall see what sensors are to The soon to be determined in
silicone cast ... Slowly, I would already penetrating the reference to your book from the signature take. As often as you have also located here, you buy the more ... eh None
Antwort von Quadruplex:
What are "false claims" is really the question? You guckst
Antwort von blip:
Note s.Quadruplex, WoWu and whom it may concern: after the thread yes finally back to top back had, werd ich s.jetzt all the posts that are not relating to belong (balloons, signatures etc) to push off. So let your duels s.besten remain the same ... Is everything clear now.
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Cici
First of all welcome to the Forum that there is sometimes Tacheles there, you have already noticed.
Unfortunately, there is always synonymous, but the speech bubbles, the Sager nothing, because you must simply get used to.
As for the HVX, I am totally your opinion and I have declared masses technologies synonymous with reasonable pixel size rather than the whole Pixelzählerei.
Antwort von dominator-video:
So much noise about nothing. But I find the prices really class :-)
Also thank you for the link to the HF11 and HG21. My HF100 is just for 680 EUR s.einen new owner, if I have my $ 100 of Canon, I must get even a taxable profit!
Antwort von Jan:
I was there again today confirmed that it is a CMOS act. Although my Japanese Page beirrt already has.
The ring s.der Front Camera can be used for Focus, Focal, WAG, Aperture or shutter can be used.
VG
Jan
Antwort von WoWu:
Jan,
It remains next exciting:
Citation Panasonic Germany:
The 3MOS system uses separate sensors to the primary colors red, green and blue to process, and achieved much more natural colors than 1-chip camera systems.
The sensitive area of each MOS sensor is about twice as large as * for CCD sensors, which mainly shooting under low light conditions benefit. The magnification of the photosensitive area is just a very characteristic feature of MOS development by the smaller number s.Transistoren. Would that be possible with CMOS, we would have been around quite a long time.
But we will see it. .... time will tell.
Antwort von Quadruplex:
The magnification of the photosensitive area is just a very characteristic feature of MOS development by the smaller number s.Transistoren. Would that be possible with CMOS, we would have been around quite a long time.
But we will see it. .... time will tell. Say, you Bumskopp!
Here you have two people independently confirmed that it is a marketing term. You wonder because it seriously that the synonymous in 'its press release of the producer appears? And is it so hard to say: "Sorry - I missed."?
Note s.Quadruplex, WoWu and whom it may concern: after the thread yes finally back to top back had, werd ich s.jetzt all the posts that are not relating to belong (balloons, signatures etc) to push off. Meinethalben - then verschwnidet synonymous Mr. Wunderlich Dünnfug where he belongs.
Antwort von Jan:
Is the surface of a regular CMOS since twice as large as that of a comparable CCD? I think not ....
Panasonic has a multitude of comparisons of their new chips to the 1 / 3 "CMOS of Sony (SR 11 & 12) asked. Strangely not against Canon. We would like to compare with Sony - they will already know why. It describes that the effective area of the new sensors 16, is xx, and the 1 / 3 "CMOS Sony15 of, xx - which indicate synonymous forever (I could not remember).
Somehow I have that feeling that the marketing department of Panasonic and the people of the development department (most research and development) in Osaka as have different views.
I would like to emphasize that I am the staff of VAD not contradict, or their competence in question. It sounds kind of funny because what Panasonic claims ....
VG
Jan
Antwort von Jan:
Quadruplex - I have re-opened the issue - then I stop off blame.
The stuff on the Japanese Page contradict still partly true. Looking at the pictures at Lowlight for video asset, then looks more like CMOS, because of Lowlightvorsprung not so clear.
Let None whatever magazines something bad, at least not in the thread.
VG
Jan
Antwort von Quadruplex:
Quadruplex - I have re-opened the issue - then I stop off blame. No stress :-)
The stuff on the Japanese Page contradict still partly true. I was now synonymous things a bit busy. In various communications seems Panasonic MOS and CMOS blithely durcheinanderzuwerfen - such as here:
http://www.physorg.com/news2992.html
Anosnten dive MOS sensors to date in connection with digital cameras to:
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0705/07051401panasonicrobustsensor.asp
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Panasonic-039-s-Next-Generation-MOS-Image-Sensor-54765.shtml
The English Wikipedia (with all due caution) provides an explanation for the confusion:
"The phrase" metal-oxide-semiconductor "is a reference to the physical structure of certain field-effect transistors, having a metal gate electrode placed on top of s.oxide insulator, which in turn is on top of a semiconductor material. Instead of metal (usually aluminum in the very old days), current gate electrodes (including those up to the 65 nanometer technology node) are almost always made from a different material, polysilicon,
but the terms MOS and CMOS nevertheless continue to be used for the Modern descendants of the original process. "
Looking at the pictures at Lowlight for video asset, then looks more like CMOS, because of Lowlightvorsprung not so clear. (..) Let None whatever magazines something bad, at least not in the thread. Apart from the fact that the same Slashcam has written (which is covered with your observations): Who has the damage, beggars all description :-) Whether Mr. W., active video, or Slashcam I shot the buck, is irrelevant.
And the last relating to MOS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mittelstandskinder_Ohne_Strom
Antwort von Indiana:
But is it worth to wait now?
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Quadruplex
Leave it to your class times, the English and translate for you, ask him yet, but your small VideoAG experiments to evaluate. Then you can s.der next debate.
@ Jan
Required per pixel CMOS 3 or 4 are 3 transistors for the amplifier alone. In the MOS architecture is shared between 4 pixels of an amplifier, and the number of transistors in this amplifier could also be reduced to two. How to 4 pixels with a total of six transistors, where the CMOS technology transistors 16 were required.
Fewer transistors on the surface means synonymous but that the sensitive area will be increased and so can be at least a portion of miniaturization and its disadvantages can be offset again.
What else would light sensitivity at 1 / 6 "chip possible? What was the light output compared? With a 1 / 6" CMOS?
Only then can comparisons and not 1 / 6 "to 1 / 3".
In addition, I find the statement that Panasonic would have with the world's first 3MOS .... etc. fairly clear. Had it CMOS, they would have long Sonyam neck, because there are 3 of CMOS Sonyja now quite long.
So that speaks for itself the accuracy of MOS.
The MOS and CMOS technology from a family will own Quadruplex meanwhile of his class in that country. That it is but for completely different design is probably closer to him at trial are clearly still synonymous.
That MOS previously in photography has been used (or Canon), he has as a scientific result of his study so synonymous have found out ... and who has the MOS chip developed? Sure: Panasonic.
So do not we get left sit back and wait to see what further insights come.
At least if someone from the RS to the cameras we tested to see whether there are two or more channels to read out there. Unfortunately there is no further indication on readout speeds, because that would be another indicator.
Also give Manufacturer yes Störabstände now no longer ... It might be synonymous insights derived.
So there are still a few points that are probably quite soon dissolve. I am confident and remain s.Thema.
As long as we can Quadruplex still with his wiki quotes entertained.
Antwort von Jan:
The 1 / 3 "CMOS SonySR of 11 & 12 has been with the new MOS (or CMOS?) Compared with SD 100. I think it has an area of 3 1 / 6" MOS (or CMOS) together and so that by 1 ( Micrometer?) found more useable.
Push me but as a topic on.
Why its called Panasonic Camera "3 MOS" and claimed 3 MOS sounds better than 3 CMOS when others already have a really Manufacturer MOS have developed. What is the third? I can not say - 3 MOS when the Camera with - not evil intentioned - is working with outdated CMOS. If there is no MOS chips there would be no problem, but that is not the case. Is there more to it, why Panasonic is so ambiguous expression?
Well, I turn now two aisles back, and wish the new SD & HS 100 all the best - in the first impression of this model has come to play Canon & Sony equals impression, the sales figures of the last few weeks & months rather spoke as for the C + S Group .
The three battle for the consumer HD market is opened, JVC, I would not forget.
VG
Jan
Antwort von WoWu:
Hello Jan.
So far I have in the press release None of that silly "because the matter 3MOS better ..." read.
Whoever invented this nonsense .....
Also since you have misunderstood something ...
if others already have a really Manufacturer MOS have developed. Manufacturer
others have not developed it, it is also a Panasonic development.
The MOS technology is otherwise nothing really new, but the implementation.
MOS and 3 is equivalent to 3 CCD .... So where do you see as a problem?
Whoever made such Kostellationen (3x 1 / 6 "==> 1 x 1 / 3" ==> 1 ym more light area) is calculated, which should be synonymous but once the derivation of doing so. Moreover, the MOS chip of 0.15 micron CMOS and previously designed in 0.25 micron, which is the comparatively still makes a lot harder.
And as I said, Panasonic is reflected in his publications from not ambiguous and clearly speaks of MOS sensors (see quote above).
Only the chatterer make out as an ambiguity.
Antwort von Jan:
Wolfgang your expertise is vast, but your desire to narcissism in the life you will not always move forward.
VG
Jan
Antwort von WoWu:
With the next, I do not so .... I live very well and I'm interested in the moment of the coffee price more than the price of oil.
I am quite some time now no longer in the hamster wheel.
And I do not consider the fact precious considerations need to take more than a privilege.
Antwort von Quadruplex:
Let your class but the times for you to translate English Mr. Wunderlich!
My teacher will not exceed your
Difference between silicone and silicone explain. I live very well and I'm interested in the moment of the coffee price more than the price of oil. Then it would be perhaps a measure of pineapple in Alaska to breed, rather a forum zuzumüllen.
Only the chatterer make out as an ambiguity. Slowly operators should be moderator of this forum and ask how long they tolerate you still like it. Me as a site operator in any case, it would stink for me in neunmalklugen tone continued as ignorant to stand up to them.
And with all liberality and confidence in the correction of other visitors: If you can solder continuously disseminated, this raises the whole Page to a bad light. The forum members are often your dubious and occasionally false fundamental contributions with the necessary skepticism to read to know. Here cavort synonymous video but newcomers to the (Un) truth in your writing can not be estimated.
Antwort von reikel:
Hello Jan.
So far I have in the press release None of that silly "because the matter 3MOS better ..." read.
Whoever invented this nonsense .....
So far you have you not yet on this issue (if you like the escaped or you have it under the table deliberately dropped because it is not fit to your theory?) That, on
explicit demand of VAD and Slashcam Panasonic has expressed the fact 3MOS CMOS -- and sensors are only for marketing reasons so called, VAD, the even of a
Japanese developer to confirm.
So what does that mean your opinion? Possible answers:
-the developer and the Panasonic press office has no idea of their technique
-they are wrong (translation error? ignorance?) - but the developer should consider the issue but would have understood and it is not used to the benefits of real-MOS sensors to explain? (nowhere is the Global shutter mentioned (wenns MOS, then Panasonic would this option not to be missed?)
Slashcam-VAD and deliberately false information
-WoWu is wrong
Your choice?
I appreciate your knowledge, but would you prefer a little less self-presentation, you're a reputable and highly respected authority.
Bez MOS: Friendly doubt, other possibilities, the technical differences of CMOS MOS to explain the advantages of MOS () to show the way to explain - everything that would make you can instead immediately adjudged and others to accuse of incompetence and only technical details for barely a reader to understand the discussion einzustreuen
"Quite the contrary, by the resultant higher clock speeds, the MOS permits, some inadequacies of the CMOS (uA RS) will be compensated."
Antwort von Quadruplex:
Friendly doubt, other possibilities, the technical differences of CMOS MOS to explain the advantages of MOS () to show the way to explain - everything that would make you can instead immediately adjudged and others to accuse of incompetence and only technical details for hardly any discussion of the reader to understand einzustreuen Who might oppose because ... :-)
Antwort von Jan:
I have the exact dates again.
The 1 / 6 "MOS in the SD & HS 100 was installed, has an area of 3.92 mm2, the entire area of all sensors is 11.76 mm2, a Sony CMOS 1 / 3" is 11.66 mm2 (SENSITIZED area).
Only for those who wanted to know.
VG
Jan
Antwort von Zizi:
Well yes this must mean nothing .. In the end one and the picture quality is saying with my feeling at times the Panasonic GS400 u.500 no Spitzencam will bring ... Although it is possibly less noise but hardly much better as the SD1!
It would be much better gewessen the SD1 on work and ensure better s.einen processed MPG4 codec to work instead s.MOS marketing of handicrafts to scrap anyway hardly reap benefits! (unfortunately)
at least fits the times once again entlich viewfinders and equipment etc.
Antwort von Indiana:
Is there already a date of the Panasonic comes in DE?
I can not decide whether I get a quick SonySR11 or the HS100 wait.
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Zizi
and ensure better s.einen processed MPG4 codec to work rather than to scrap s.MOS Marketing Basteln The company does not develop MPEG4. The standard we just implemented.
And the sensor ... and inevitably associated with the lens are the
weakest points of the camcorder and if ever what s.Picture improved, then primarily by developments s.diesen low score.
The picture that you get to see is only as good as the weakest link in the chain ... with the NLE and the monitor is of course synonymous with the chain are still weak and can be.
Antwort von Jan:
I have a few more details of the HS 100 & SD 100 - who are interested.
The color has 183,000 pixels, is fairly well equipped - in contrast to the 120,000 pixels of the competition - some cameras will not even have viewfinders .....
The accessory shoe is passive - that is, no contacts. Sound is as usual 5.1 channel sound either in 3 modes.
Video light, the LDCs would be 103 possible, HE 3707 VW Converter 0.7 so wide, VW T 3714 - ie 1.4 x tele and Pana are still the VW LF WE at 37.
Panasonic expanded its Dynamics range of new models to double (at HS 9 & SD 9), the minimum illumination was of 5 to 2 lux improved. This is the larger control area of responsibility of new sensors (the light-sensitive area of the sensor was almost doubled) - in contrast to the 3 CCD SD & HS 9th
The New Face now has 5 modes. It will be up to 15 faces detected.
The optical stabilizer of the old SD 9 & HS 9 (the well was anyway), the correction rate of 75% to 95% in - so that the system is likely the best of the best belong.
Microphone input and headphone output are finally back in place.
Panasonic promises to have a better layout and better lenses (12 lenses in 9 groups) in the two new models indicate a 20% better contrast and up to 30% better resolution.
As already described above, you can ring ahead for Shutter, Aperture, WAG, Focus Zoom or use.
A histogram is s.Bord, like zebra overexposure display and a brightness level display, which means it is in the middle of the luminous intensity is measured and this is displayed with a percentage of the manual aperture settings more accurately.
The weight of the camera is 360g (SD 100) or 460g (HS 100).
Well that sounds not so bad - we'll see ....
VG
Jan
Antwort von WoWu:
I have the exact dates again.
The 1 / 6 "MOS in the SD & HS 100 was installed, has an area of 3.92 mm2, the entire area of all sensors is 11.76 mm2, a Sony CMOS 1 / 3" is 11.66 mm2 (SENSITIZED area).
Hi Jan,
what are these values? Where do the come from? Because the sensor measurements can not be, because a 1 / 3 "is at 4.8 x3, 6 mm an area of 17.28 mm2.
What are the above-mentioned land?
Antwort von domain:
Besides comparisons of surface are 1 / 6 "sensors indiskutabel times anyway.
Shame shame .. what would be, but it is not.
With min. 1 / 3 "and possibly the free converter of Pana to DVCPRO HD and translates it would have in a number of users in the existing NL-editors for a transitional period only so flut chen
Antwort von Jan:
Panasonic documentation. There is talk of light-sensitive area.
The 1 / 3 "Sony CMOS cameras should really usable 11.66 mm ² effective Usable have a 1 / 6" MOS (yes to your surprise MOS - not CMOS) had 3.92 mm ².
I think I now keep me with my comments back better, otherwise it would still anger there - more contradictions in a matter, I have unfortunately never heard ...
VG
Jan
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Domain
If it really CMOS should be, not what I believe and what the conditions are talking, you did right .... then 1 / 6 "for a ton.
Only the transition to DVCProHD would be synonymous not the yellow from the egg ... then maybe a codec synonymous, the DCT no longer used to prevent the damage as small as possible.
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Jan
Thanks for the additional information ... I try synonymous only light in the Wirrwar to bring. Somehow dissolves still on ... Finally, in all of physics yet elucidated.
Unlike marketing is indeed an accurate physics science.
That with the MOS I can still understand y 0.15. Just seems to me the area of the 1 / 3 "sensor is too small, because CMOS 0.25 and y is nothing new.
So if you have more info, if they confuse synonymous, but they probably always have some light ... a withdrawal would be the wrong thing.
Thanks for the info.
Antwort von domain:
.. then maybe a codec synonymous with no more DCT used to prevent the damage as small as possible.
To my knowledge, used the AV codec itself as synonymous to the Canopus HQ codec for example, still DCT when synonymous in optimized form.
I just Wavelettransformation of JPEG2000 and its Videopendant and of the RED RAW Compression familiar.
But you'll certainly like to correct me ;-))
Antwort von WoWu:
Where I will because ... the "synonymous" was misleading.
But DWT based format perform better in higher-Resolutions. Hence the inclination to ... JPEG200 for example, by approx. 0,5-2 db PSNR with AVC at lower resolutions can score points. 0.5-2db. Synonymous If the images are slightly softer. Some find's so nice for me are the only arithmetic errors ... it's just not everything is perfect in life.
But look synonymous times compared with the DNxHD to DVCProHD100 ... impressive. And yet it is now synonymous easily cut ... and a royalty-free but is soon in all NLE's.
So there are plenty of good alternatives.
Besten Gruss
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
Both cameras can not be applied directly to the PC hard drive at Super8 video transfer eg via Adobe OnLocation capture. For these purposes, the AVCHD cameras completely useless ...
Antwort von domain:
But look synonymous times compared with the DNxHD to DVCProHD100 ... impressive. And yet it is now synonymous easily cut ... and a royalty-free but is soon in all NLE's.
Well, AVID gehts seemingly quite thin together.
Price halving of MC, crossgrade offers royalty-free Intermediate Codec, worrying, worrying ..........
And whether DNxHD DCT is free should you want to separately investigate, but I can not quite imagine.
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Bruno
So, everything has its pros and cons.
But I take the card from my camera and take on the next on my contributions and can even cut on the laptop on which you still capture.
Everything has to be "For" and "cons".
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
I say just why I am on my HDV camera can not do without.
And in my case, I am just on time, and life on the PC hard drive is written, I wait no superfluous second.
Antwort von Jan:
Here again the evidence in writing:
VG
Jan
Antwort von wolfgang:
But I take the card from my camera and take on the next on my contributions and can even cut on the laptop on which you still capture.
Na on a laptop today's native AVCHD material to cut, I think rather brave!
:)
But, of course, is the dubbing of the card only fast, clean and simple.
Antwort von WoWu:
Hello Wolfgang
.. that was more synonymous meant figuratively and the objection is of course entitled .... 'Please So in relative terms.
Greetings to Vienna
@ Jan
The description gives information about only 1 chip. /. 3 chip.
But interesting that there is
Sony1 / 3 "CMOS and
1x on the other
Panasonic Page
1 / 6" MOS 3x. Why is not synonymous CMOS when it is supposed to be CMOS?
Antwort von raymaker:
@ Jan
The description gives information about only 1 chip. /. 3 chip.
But interesting that there is Sony1 / 3 "CMOS and 1x on the other Panasonic Page 1 / 6" MOS 3x. Why is not synonymous CMOS when it is supposed to be CMOS? Now heul but not yet in weeks rum.
I think we all put together in the forum, and give you a sticker kit. Then everywhere in the media market, the MOS-names on the boxes by replacing CMOS. Wow, and you have a job so synonymous!
Antwort von WoWu:
That would be endlich mal ein kostruktiver contribution.
... Although, when I look at your proposal's just look, I do not think you really know the meaning did ... na, it's drum.
Antwort von Jan:
I'm not pomposity, I am not only happy to arrange chen. Panasonic can calmly think what sensors & technology in their cameras are installed.
The scanned page is übrigends of Panasonic directly!
Only this is a little strange and completely wrong, or words, if you look at the sensors and their exact size and exact size received (ie a scrupulous technique declaration) - and then about a variety of sensor false writes about - even though everyone knows that are CMOS act! It is not about statements made by Depp, but of the technology leaders of Panasonic. If there is no MOS chips would be - would be completely ok - only there are they, just like CMOS - and they are very different - what determines WoWu could explain.
If I were a Canon SLR EOS 450 D ascribe a CCD chip, then I as the largest seller synonymous Depp, because (almost) everyone - which is busy with this camera has - knows that this camera is a CMOS .
Meanwhile, my sausage, but should write what they want.
VG
Jan
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Jan
I believe synonymous that raymakers response did not you should take it much more s.meine address was for me and Grazer Sticker Set reserved wanted. Time, quite apart from that it confuses all content.
You should then take the contribution as it is ... with little substance to the point.
As I have said in previous posts .. It's time to show what's inside.
BTW interesting that it is synonymous apparently no longer a 4:3 design to act, but a 16:9 design. (Incidentally, it is the CMOS as synonymous, there is not yet ... but maybe this is a printing error synonymous) Wait and see, then.
Antwort von Harald_123:
Here again the evidence in writing: Interesting is a conclusion from the above chart:
For sensors with
Antwort von WoWu:
Hello Harald ... welcome to the forum.
I want your conclusion does not contradict, but there must be something to be differentiated, because Canon uses mostly RGB stripe filter and no Kodak filter (Bayer) with 2:1:1 and Sonybenutzt ClearVid as synonymous with a special filter with 6:1: 1.
But even if both the Bayer filter identical and synonymous identical sensor would use, would be the most likely outcome with markedly different, because the algorithms, which then should be drawn to determine the color that you see afterwards.
Remember you may not synonymous but that synonymous with Chipper in the 3-color effect and a possible light output also restrict.
Your penchant for the 3-Chipper is nevertheless entitled to because the type of course, each pixel on a 1 / 3 "sensor, which is only 600,000 pixels compared to a 1 / 3", which has 4 million pixels, corresponding to larger and better results . Also with regard to the objective requirements of much in the next "hot" area to work with.
Many mosaic filter is the way, from system reasons deliberately with a certain degree s.Unschärfe worked, because otherwise the light output would be lower again. There is more behind again with artificial sharpening edges up ...
So, your penchant for 3-chip will be synonymous in the future, you probably still remain for a while.
And if the MOS sensor to the trend in the future continues, and it looks like, because synonymous commercial future MOS cameras with sensor technology agenda, will the sensitivity problem due to the higher light output in any case will soon no longer provide.
Antwort von Harald_123:
Thanks for the detailed statement.
Well, I'm quite new here. Only the Account ...
That with newer Canon 1-chip models on Bayer sensors is, I have made
from this source (see in the middle and bottom). For the new-Sony1 Chipper with 5.6 MP but seems to me to be synonymous. In the
Antwort von WoWu:
Hello Harald ...
In principle, we agree absolutely agree. .... And as a result obviously synonymous.
From the publication quoted, I see, however, that of a Bavarian Replacement-spoken is ...
In addition, the HV10 uses s.RGB Primary Color filters that separate light into red, green and blue color components. This results in vibrant images with deep, rich, accurate color and natural-looking tones similar to what you'd obtain from 3CCD camcorders. So, RGB Beyer placement results in reduced spurious color and higher color resolution. And as far as I remember the specs used Canon RGB stripe filter ... But it's drum.
When the filter loss at 3-chip referred to the "well" to the fact that losses occur, but not that they are as high as 1-chip. That was misleading.
Filter losses will also find place when synonymous lower than described in the 1-chip would have been the correct formulation. Mea culpa -
Anyway I think that very soon run out of masks have no preference as they are called and the photonic filters make room, then synonymous with the barrier properties of IR / UV is no longer an issue will be.
Antwort von Harald_123:
Since we are (almost) completely agree. And the "almost" only because synonymous "Replacement" "` "Placement". See the synonymous Info by clicking on "RGB Bayer Placement" in the graphic.
Antwort von WoWu:
Harald ..
jau, because you can's see ... this is absolutely true.
Now I'll look, what with Bayer Placement Pattern really think Canon is because in the technical documentation RGB primary color filter "to ... the filter strips may be synonymous, which they have previously installed ...
http://www.canon.de/For_Home/Product_Finder/Camcorders/High_Definition_HD/HF100/index.asp?specs=1
..... but it seems as though this really the normal Bayer mosaic filter .... only with another name.
Merkwürdig that Canon RGB strips of filter is left. But it's drum ..
Thanks at least for the hint.
Edit: although I notice now in the graphics do not understand .. why do "more red ..." it come out? And the opposite example, has absolutely no color filter? I do not know how I should understand. But the filter is really looks like from 2:1:1.
Antwort von Jan:
Hi,
I have today received the Camera (SD 100).
Panasonic power as usual, a good impression on the film, I am not yet come.
The new joystick I do not really like it because you really only with a lot of feeling in the right direction. The center-to-meet (as a confirmation that is Enter) is sometimes not so good.
OIS is sharp - but always to be expected.
From Peaking Panasonic still has not heard, but there is a sharpness setting create a ca 2x larger picture.
New to the Panasonic manual variety.
Now the edge sharpness, the color depth (not literally - as Panasonic calls it) and a shift imaging are carried out. The new Luminanzanzeige (of 0-99%) for the brightness helps to give the exact synonymous Aperture better to find.
The Viewfinder is for consumer technology tip (rarely a focus in the Viewfinder seen at a 700 ¬ Camera) - but unfortunately not folding or hinterziehbar.
The ring works well, with either distance or zoom action. For example, the Focus and then select the Zoom on the ring is activated, you have unfortunately the AF back in it. One must therefore use the zoom buttons, who is a certain distance permanently set wants.
About the zoom ring is synonymous to the WAG, the shutter and the aperture and gain. We tried the ring for a variety of functions. We can now positive (no confusion) or negative synonymous (who several manual features combine to) see.
Let's see how the picture is ..
The first impression is positive, however - the camera has for me, but somehow a slight plastic feel of the ring, despite the front.
But thumbs up for the manual variety.
VG
Jan
Antwort von Harald_123:
Edit: although I notice now in the graphics do not understand .. why do "more red ..." it come out? Make a "note" on the rare, red pixels at the Sony HC7 and Co.
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Harald
.. this makes sense ...
@ Jan
Trying times whether GS is visible ... should be enough with a simple experiment possible and are a lot of clues.
Thanks for the summary report.
Antwort von rudi:
Very briefly, only of our page:
We have just a short synonymous Panasonic HDS-HS100 because: If you out there and her pans, turn the bar significantly. To view the Camera Rolling Shutter definitely take a ...
More after the weekend ...
Rudi
Antwort von wolfgang:
And why should this particular device does not show rolling shutter? Just because you take cmos halt 3mos says?
;)
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
Why such a question, it is simply a Istzustanderfassung, I am interested in das
But was previously unknown in the publications!
Antwort von wolfgang:
If you feel that we are never what CMOS with rolling shutter had to do .... na but then lying wrong, Bruno! And otherwise, I have nothing against the establishment - even though I hold a no-na-finding is, if you know what I mean.
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Wolfgang
The question is still in space, whether it is a CMOS chip or an MOS is MOS chips and have 2 output channels and thus a reading, like a CCD.
Therefore the question about RS.
Thanks for the notice of the editors .... looking forward.
Antwort von wolfgang:
Only one reading should be no rolling shutter, or? Then it would be but just a device with CMOS - so please, then so what brought hats.
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
If you feel that we are never what CMOS with rolling shutter had to do .... na but then lying wrong, Bruno! What you invent because again?
Such a statement, I have never been nowhere and done!
Antwort von Jan:
I will next week what time to upload (ie pans with motifs with vertical lines - the Mist, I must first find - a row of houses ranging synonymous but is not it? Well, the editorial team here has already been written. Video Active synonymous yes it was already confirmed.
So is the camera for a "honest" CMOS act. I think the statement of Panasonic still not good in their data sheets, in the manual that came with the SD 100, in the press releases of MOS to speak, no preference whether it sounds better or not.
Because it's really a MOS chip, there to the CMOS is far superior - it is basically a false statement. Synonymous I can not say - "This computer has a quad processor, even though he only has one dual built - there will be synonymous nothing to say" stop quad sounds better and more & more ...."
But we leave the topic and let's talk about the handling and image quality of the new cameras.
If the front of the zoom ring is used, then one needs just half a rotation of the ring, in order of 1x to 12x optical zoom to come - for the zoom ring - friends. I think it's ok - an attack there is not - but what was to be expected anyway.
VG
Jan
Antwort von Jan:
Slashcam was busy and because the test is:
panasonic-hdc-HS100 VG
Jan
Antwort von Indiana:
Hm, seems not so to be the winner :-(
Antwort von Jan:
I think, who wants to have some Austattungsmerkmale and mostly filmed in normal light, and no sharpness fanatic is more balanced on a good color value sets, then with the SD & HS 100 is not bad.
It has just the class of rare Controls & Help the Luminanzanzeige of 0-99% (s.99% is 99% and Feil top) - only s.Henkelmannklasse, edge sharpness and exposure shift change can not synonymous any camera in the classroom , headphone output and microphone input + regular accessory shoe, manual Tonaussteuerung, Zebra overexposure indicator and approximately 2x magnification for manual Focusierung (yes Peaking is unfortunately missing) and then the ring forward.
And in my opinion a good viewfinders (if you compare with what Canon Sonyand offer), and then the Panasonic usual shutter, aperture or gain setting in the known numerical values - not Pros & Cons, but like 1 / 50 sec at Aperture 1 , 8 with 6 dB gain.
The Test of Slashcam of Zür Aperture (22) to 18 dB gain
I have not done, 7 revolutions are but a lot.
For those, the Panasonic is not so good to know that we can give them the manual aperture control, but not together with the reinforcement.
So only when Aperture is open (eg F 1.8 at wide angle) must be driven high gain.
So roughly: Aperture 22, 16, 11, 8, 5.6, 3.4, 1.8, 3 dB, 6 dB, 9 DB, 12 DB, 15 DB and 18 DB Gain. Seven complete revolutions of the ring aperture of 22 to 18 dB gain is really a bit much.
Unfortunately it's the only Aperture & Gain from the ring of control, not as formerly on joystick.
The almost 1 / 2 revolution of the ring of 12 x Wide Tele Anglezu I find it ok.
VG
Jan
Antwort von wolfgang:
Interesting details Jan, thank you. Why we have the situations that I have with the device parameters have yet worse, what about the Resolutionangeht? Compared to the HF100 or SR12? That is the point I still do not understand, and unfortunately, the content is a shame.
Antwort von Jan:
WoWu looked different back then, he said that the 3x 1 / 6 "CMOS with ever more out of about 500k, as in a 1 / 3" CMOS with 2-3 million pixels - probably feed back to the colors of the Bayer Matrix and the larger pixels at the 3-chip camera. WoWu saw the theory.
Proboscis, however, was the same as I believe that despite the 500k pixels Pixel Shift simply still far away of a good resolution to a Canon or Sony1 are CMOS. That is the practical part.
This is confirmed yes, the resolution of Camcorderinfo.com tests or just the latest of Slashcam.
JVC has been synonymous yes I think a little improvement - with the transition of 3-chip CMOS to 1.
But why the larger pixels on the Panasonic models even worse in light are weak (compared to Canon & Sony) - is very difficult for me to explain.
Panasonic is at the moment so well on the field Digicam - excellent noise test - if the competition (except Fuji) in the spotlight is. In the consumer class camera simply can not go forward quite so ...
VG
Jan
Antwort von wolfgang:
Exactly, it's not quite so forward - and that's a shame. I myself was a fan of the old Pansonic NV-MX350 with all its controls, but the tests of the current device inspire me stop yet. The advantage of what we have a theoretical potential, if not lifted?
Ok, synonymous the Canon HF100 or synonymous to synonymous somewhere SonySR11 reach only 70-75% of the system boundary - and the synonymous JVC HD40 is there. There would halt the SD100 are synonymous must, I think.
Of course we are in the consumer area just above Prices for good optics limited - but where is the innovator of us for 2000-3000 euro erstklässiges housing with all controls ala A1 or FX1 supplies, and a fairly reasonable thing Optics sets? THAT would go but when you consider that the pure SDHC chip ala HF100 camcorder so s.650 euros have been sold.
Antwort von Harald_123:
A few video examples of the SD100 and comparing videos from JVC GZ-HD7: Non-HS100, the seemingly less opportunities in the menu (in 11 stages adjustable sharpness, color intensity, exposure probably missing) but a hard drive has.
http://videotreffpunkt.com/thread.php?postid=117420 # post117420
http://videotreffpunkt.com/thread.php?postid=117526 # post117526
Antwort von Jan:
Yes I have the HS 100 will later - the possibility for exposure shift, edge sharpness and color depth is missing there - with the SD 100 nor exist.
Why Panasonic those features in more expensive! Camera locks - probably knows only her marketing boss .....
VG
Jan
Antwort von Jan:
Hi,
so since I have now - synonymous times dung tells ....
Yes - you really must forward the manual mode, then there are several points in the main menu than before. Our favorite feature "image" is then again who is picture quality with "yes" is selected, comes in the usual SD 100 (where the function is always selected!) Choice for the change of edge sharpness, exposure and color shift. So yes - both cameras have this control.
To my defense, I must say I can not remember s.ein Panasonic menu that is so constructed. The field manual could always activate, but so far had no major influence on the main menu.
That is, in manual mode could Shutter, Aperture and Gain, Zoom Macro, Backlight, Night program etc but it arbitrarily set has never Panasonic Main Menu with "Advanced" or like "body" or be changed at once other functions - the were previously locked - newly opened.
In the week I unfortunately synonymous only a brief moment the cameras & Instructions watches - - especially now Still Image & Video Hauptsaisaon - so very little time.
But ok - I have made a false statement - Sorry!
VG
Jan
Antwort von Harald_123:
SD usual 100 (where the function is always selected!) Choice for the change of edge sharpness, exposure and color shift. So yes - both cameras have this control. When the SD100 features synonymous
only in manual mode.
Is actually the same as for the Panasonic dscs. Among those is almost always synonymous consistently only in the menu, what you just use it.
Gross error in the HDC-HS100 Slashcam test! Quote:
"The holiday film's look is, but at least we had a function alá Canon wanted to color something to be able to turn back. Rumored to it at the sister-model SD100 possible, what we still could not verify."
The test should be corrected. They have their part did not properly viewed. I had the realization "of the HS100 can not" synonymous not know, but from the test Slashcam learned.
Antwort von rudi:
The test should be corrected. Has long been corrected in the addendum (see end of article).
And I had been synonymous in the forum thread to the article written ...
The only problem was once again, waterproof camera, we only about 24 hours there were, and if you sleep synonymous and write, you do not have all the time in the world.
Joke, however, was that really intense after the operation was looking for, but before they send away the camera was not found. When I had seen that it is, I like the addendum to the article ...
LG
rudi
Antwort von Jan:
Rudi:
The only problem was once again what we Camera for only about 24 hours there were, and if you sleep synonymous and write, you do not have all the time in the world.
LG
rudi I had the camera about 8 min in the hand, the instructions maybe 3 min.
For me work is grad all hell broke loose, 2-3 + Clear colleagues leave, a sick and 8-15 clients per 1 h for me alone - because of my Page remained unfortunately not the time.
But Harald_123 - you were here, unfortunately, the first user, the people here has misinformed (video link meeting point) - there is synonymous error occurred because the instructions were not read correctly - so please keep your feet still!
Harald_123:
Non-HS100, the seemingly less opportunities in the menu (in 11 stages adjustable sharpness, color intensity, exposure probably missing) but a hard drive has.
Harald_123 I have it on (without checking) - my mistake - rather than think themselves free. I have the HS 100 will receive only very late, just before the SD 100 refereed.
Nevertheless, it remains crucial that the new cameras an entirely new menu structure and the activation functions.
For JVC (auto or manual) and Canon (manual & auto program or green) or Sony (easy or auto), it is normal for quite some time that the menu structure depending on the program completely changed.
VG
Jan
Antwort von Harald_123:
But Harald_123 - you were here, unfortunately, the first user, the people here has misinformed (video link meeting point) - there is synonymous error occurred because the instructions were not read correctly - so please keep your feet still!
Harald_123:
Non-HS100, the seemingly less opportunities in the menu (in 11 stages adjustable sharpness, color intensity, exposure probably missing) but a hard drive has.
Harald_123 Well, it was not:
I had the test Slashcam immediately after publication in the video and read related to the meeting place SD100 "corrected". The test was "here" actually predict because of the origin and history. The HS100 I know do not.
Should we not be far deeper. Would be nice to the text after the chart horizontal color resolution "should be adjusted accordingly. The errors under time pressure to pass, is almost normal.
I have
here
I think now that it is no longer sufficient Camordertest, simple graphics and still life to use. The output quality lossy compressed camcorder (AVCHD and MPEG-2) is heavily influenced by the richness of detail from the recording. Like dscs with JPG output can be of the results at very low detail images not just at the situation with very detailed pictures closed.
Antwort von Jan:
[quote = "Harald_123"]
SD usual 100 (where the function is always selected!) Choice for the change of edge sharpness, exposure and color shift. So yes - both cameras have this control. When the SD100 features synonymous
only in manual mode.
That is correct! Maybe I have not noticed, since I s.die the beginning of SD 100 in manual mode operation
Is actually the same as for the Panasonic dscs. Among those is almost always synonymous consistently only in the menu, just what you can use .. Dscs? Digital cameras or what is meant?
Cameras, there are not many of Panasonic, as can the FZ 18, and the FZ 50 call, the new LX 3, synonymous only Aufstecksucher. The remainder of the current models, such as FS 3, 5, 20 & FX 35, 37 & 500, TZ 4 +5 have no viewfinders, the previous FX models 10, 12, 30, 33, 50, 55, TZ 2 +3, LX 2 had no viewfinders synonymous. FZ 8, 18, 28 and FZ 50 are 4 Models of 2007 & 2008, have a viewfinders - one might even say, Panasonic digital cameras are 80% Sucherlos.
I hope the times viewfinders was meant.
No, with video cameras of the Panasonic was not so far that when pressing the manual mode in the main menu (the menu - the man with the button "Menu" enters) several points are selectable at once previously blocked. At Canon, JVC is the Sonyand but always so that when the manual mode by pressing the main menu is completely changed.
In manual mode at Panasonic (manual and joystick button press the middle) could shutter, aperture or gain, night program, against the program, activate Fader, help, Zoommacro (s.Consumermittelklassekameras) to choose, but when activating the button "Manual" have yet never in the main menu 3 points or more (as with SD & HS 100) models, are not synonymous in the auto mode would be selected in advance.
This applies to GS 90, GS 330, H 40, 50, 60, H 280, VDR 50, SDR S 7 & 9, SW 20 just like SD & HS 9, just as in the previous year at GS 60, 80, GS 230, 320, 500, S 10, VDR 150, 160, 220, 310, H 20, H 250, SD 5 & DX 5th
I definitely expected a better detail for Panasonic Consumercamcordert have - and that important! from the head not from copying others or of the manufacturer & Manuals page.
Do I need not prove I've been here 1000 times proved ...
VG
Jan
Antwort von Harald_123:
Is actually the same as for the Panasonic dscs. Among those is almost always synonymous consistently only in the menu, just what you can use ..
Dscs? Digital cameras or what is meant? Nope, Viewfinder was not specifically meant.
DSC = Digital Still Camera Image.
Siehe hierHere. I actually thought the models in the Lumix series, which features various manual (PASM modes) available. For example, LX2 and FX500.
But it is synonymous with the other Lumix, only about different Automatikmodi, then. If of Program on Vollautomatik is made, there are hardly any options in the Settings menu.
If Still image from the video mode is changed with regard to the setting menu Lumix as well.
Antwort von Harald_123:
I have
here
The best setting of the SD100 is probably
- Manual Mode
- Sharpness +1
- Color -2
In "normal" setting, many in the countryside more or less restrained colors my impression too much play. This coincides with the test Slashcam on the HS100.
Antwort von Jan:
The synonymous, I never denied that when it would not Digiknipsen.
For Sony, Canon and JVC camcorders is synonymous for a long time so.
For Panasonic cameras was previously not the case - did the manual menu of cameras already stated no preference whether models of 2007 or 2008, in the time before, it was not synonymous - at least in the last 4-5 years. Otherwise would have synonymous Rudi and the Slashcamteam no such "problems", if the menu is the SD 100 & HS 100 Panasonic Consumer as would be usual. Under pressure over time can be seen quickly by a new setting.
At that time, has never (at least to me because nothing is known), a sub-menu with more than 3 score for Advanced & facility opened, what car would not already be selected.
If it now takes a completely accurate - yes, the subject programs (1 button) in the main menu are available only through manual selection.
DSC is probably the interpretation, because my clients to 90% of digital cameras and I commend it. I do not remember that some one with me ever Digital Still Camera Image had said - not synonymous to many foreign visitors. You can probably still mention both terms.
The term 'Digital Still Image Camera "is generally synonymous yes not entirely correct, since 99.9% of Digiknipsen have a video function, and so some Digiknipse zb Panasonic TZ 5 (combined with optical zoom during videos & AF) a better resolution (720 P) and a better wide-angle (28 mm) compared with the PAL video group.
Is now but eh ... no preference
VG
Jan
Antwort von Indiana:
I have here yet another video clip from eight zusammengestellt.
The best setting of the SD100 is probably
- Manual Mode
- Sharpness +1
- Color -2
In "normal" setting, many in the countryside more or less restrained colors my impression too much play. This coincides with the test Slashcam on the HS100. Gefällt zimmlich me well, it seems the Panasonic but not such a bad choice.
Where can I really decide I still do not.
Antwort von motiongroup:
will you really? Flower box, marguerites tree is bad but I think .. and that has nothing to do Interlacingartefakten .. The question which arises is through the transformation as it is or has become synonymous in the original so ..?
mfg
Ps: sorry Harald
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
Always prejudgements this, tests are adjusted with Camera (for example, Color -2) and the above test conditions are not yet meaningful ...
Antwort von Harald_123:
Marguerites tree is bad but I think .. The marguerites (Clip 5) I see the original and in the MPEG-2 version (almost) no artifacts. Because the flowers are moving, I see in the image of nursing course, certain steps s.den white edges.
At the red edge of the clip, I see at least 8 in PowerDVD still images bleed red, apparently by PowerDVD "image enhancement is caused. In the original and the MPEG-2, there is the compression (presumably by the trembling of the flower) certain significant edge artifacts, such as one with Edius can identify.
In clip 4 moves a lot. I have the impression of something that is already in the field of border-SD100 AVCHD compression is.
(Sorry is not necessary ...)
@ Bruno: The use of any adjustable parameters as you would with a fully adjustable camcorders accept? Only the automatic transmission?
Antwort von motiongroup:
Say Bruno can read?
The article has nothing to do with prejudice or have the report by Harald on this subject in VT mitgelesen and not only as documented? Slowly you will suspect me again ... The Harald makes on this issue closely and thought no garbage schriebt particularly relating to quality of the material and tend not to read it as many of the pixel counters here and there ..
Antwort von domain:
Harald_123 quote:
"I think now that it is no longer sufficient Camordertest, simple graphics and still life to use. The output quality lossy compressed camcorder (AVCHD and MPEG-2) is heavily influenced by the richness of detail from the recording. Like dscs with JPG output can of the results in very poor detail recording is not simply to the situation in very detailed images to be closed. " Interesting approach, about which I have long synonymous thinking. But I think that camcorders do not even detailed stills for a broader assessment sufficient, it would actually synonymous normalized movement be brought into play, for example, about a revolution in the number of programmable video head (technically not a problem).
After each camcorder with constant but different shutter speeds on the submission swing, which synonymous vertical lines should be included, possibly to an RS-Effect better recognize and can be assessed.
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
@ Bruno: The use of any adjustable parameters as you would with a fully adjustable camcorders accept? Only the automatic transmission? I watch clips rather s.die in automatic mode has been made, of course, under various conditions such as good weather / sky covered, 20-LUX-Lowligt by Tripod from normal swing, impact the stability of the WW-and tele-mode in manual recording mode, recording tripod, with Auto Focus {omm effect diagonally along a flower for example, to hedge a few times auzulisten points, the assessment then I already do for myself
These synthetic Studio hate frames, the diagrams with the Farbkreisausdehnung and the Luminanzauflösung interested me.
So your tester:
I wish, please also download the original clips for my own review!
Antwort von Harald_123:
I watch clips rather s.die in automatic mode has been made Since I had you evaluated differently.
In order to improve the image quality, I have the above automatic yes synonymous only in the area of color saturation and sharpness adjusted. So actually mean hobby level. It may be that above LowLight settings for optimum results should be altered. (Sharp 0 or -1.) I have so far made no such attempts, because for me is rather unimportant.
Antwort von TomTom100:
Once in this thread for weeks has been intensively discussed, nothing happens anymore. I'll pick him up just because it is exactly my issue, I unfortunately synonymous if only on a completely different level of discussion.
So, I am looking for a camcorder. If I could describe as an ambitious beginner. Would especially like family, children, holidays, etc. on film - outdoor and indoor. The only Spezille is that I dance with great joy and would like to take dance figures.
In my search I have come so far as that I am from the future safety reasons an HD camcorder wishes of NOT on tape (noise, handling) or plate (fear of crashes) absorbs. After reading some tests, I am now on the HF100 or HDC-SD100 rise. As such, I tend to HF100, but the Panasonic has so nice manual controls. Other hand, the HF100's for nearly EUR 640, significantly cheaper than the Panasonic. What does for the rest of the forum community? Am I on the right track or is it all over anyway for me?
Antwort von Zizi:
Quite simply:
Better Picture / price - HF100
Better Handling / Handling / Equipment - SD100
I would be synonymous to HF100 draw .. but maybe others would not.
Anyway, my picture quality is more important than a lens ring and so a pseudo viewfinders with you eh gscheites nothing can begin!
Antwort von Jan:
That with the handling but you can see one way or another, it should not have fallen any user. 5 important functions (eg white balance, shutter, aperture, gain, distance, etc) over a! Ring to overcome this is to me almost too much.
The SD & HS 100 can not joystick the usual way by the shutter, the aperture or the gain to choose, but must ring with the deal, which is then synonymous with the distance and the manual white balance is busy, who wants synonymous - with the zoom.
90% of users (not the root user here - but the user as a normal holiday & Filmer apply) are not synonymous as Shutter, Aperture no, no gain, no manual white balance, so that these functions do not need anyway.
If you rangeht neutral, the HF 100 is the better & ausgereifterte Camera, the Panasonic is a few friends but not prevent, for the SD 100 to decide. As you are probably much more interior films, the HF 100 is now the better choice.
VG
Jan
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
The Panasonic HDC-SD100 times I have privately tested the last 10 days:
Antwort von Jan:
It is so easy and we are not to come .....
Why do you call what else, though it is the same?
Royalties!
VG
Jan
