Frage von tonymaccaroni:
Hello
I would like my camcorder esrten growth and have informed me after a long time for these two camcorders decided:
Canon HF11
SonyHDR-SR11
What can you recommend me?
My requirements are:
Image quality good to very good
-good photos (the synonymous s.and to develop treatment)
-good to very good low-light quality (because I synonymous parties s.Abend
or synonymous times s.späten evening in the moonlight or so film can)
Slowmo-good for sports movements (but not professional)
Thank you for your answers
Antwort von Schleichmichel:
Compare these two models on Slashcam camcorder-Comparison. If I would before this election, it would be a light to me, for me Sonyzu decide. In addition to the higher resolution photo is synonymous much smaller price. An expensive memory stick you need to buy anyway, because of the hard drive (and even if you do not need every day, 3 new).
Ordinary does not slow motion of the two.
And LowLight ... It's easy .... really very simple: video needs light! The more light the better.
Antwort von tonymaccaroni:
the canon, but still has additional "spotlight" on the lens?
-the canon can be with 24 Mbits / s, the only sony with 16 Mbits / s
do you recognize the difference as the beginning, anyway?
Antwort von deti:
- Whether 24Mbit / s and 17MBit / s - because I see no difference at Canon.
Would the HF100, because of the extra cost for the internal flash memory with a HF11 is not worthwhile. A 16Gbyte SDHC card will cost <25 ¬.
Power so 640 ¬ for a HF100 with 2 * 16Gbyte SDHC cards. So is today's prices, according to more than ¬ 100 cheaper than a SonySR11.
Deti
Antwort von tonymaccaroni:
hf sr11 and 11 may I use for the about the same price get the HF100 would be about 100 euros less.
to find the infrared synonymous still cool in the sony
Antwort von RickyMartini:
Since one week I have the Canon HF100 and am currently in the process of this anywhere SonySR12 directly compare.
Since the HF11 is still slightly better picture compared to the HF100/HF10 offers, can still carry out the comparison.
HF100: Lowlight: very good - low noise
AF: very precise (IAF in use)
Colors: tired and force
Sharpness: very good
Handling: easy menu navigation, fast white balance possible, manual aperture or shutter speed selectable, manual audio levels aussteuerbar
Sound: AC3 2.0 - very good, barely perceptible noise (only the zoom in absolute silence)
Disk: only SDHC
Photo function: 2 MPixel in 16:9, 3 MPixel in 4:3
SR11/12: Lowlight: good - more noise than Canon
AF: good, but tends to be more pumps
Colors: rather austere compared to Canon
Sharpness: very good - good
Handling: very complex menu navigation, manual aperture control, schärstes display (manual focus is still not very well resolved, as well as Canon)
Sound: AC3 5.1/2.0 - excellent, barely perceptible noise (not even the HDD or zoom)
Disk: HDD and Memory Stick (Copy of the HDD to the PC is very fast - up to 20MB / s, when HF10/11 should probably be very similar)
Photo function: 10.3 MPixel (interpolated) in 4:3 (More accurately, I must still try)
My opinion: The Canon offers a better picture at the lower price and do more, particularly through their simplicity. Combine with the HF100 synonymous nor easily into a jacket pocket (which is when the HDD models are no longer the case).
The HF100 can allerwärmstens I recommend it because even more compact and no hard drive, which brings with restrictions (in off shocks, Height s.3000m use no longer possible).
16GB Class 6 SDHC cards are already available p.23 ¬ (that's enough for 2h in the best video quality).
Antwort von WoWu:
-the canon can be with 24 Mbits / s, the only sony with 16 Mbits / s
do you recognize the difference as the beginning, anyway? The Sonyarbeitet with the Main Profile and uses CABAC coding, which greatly increases the requirements s.den calculator provides, but less data is needed.
Canon uses the High Profile, which among other things additional tools for color and contains in addition to 4x4 pixel motion resolution works.
Whether one sees always depends on the viewer s.aber a delimitation of Main Profile to High Profile would ensure the developer of H.264 are not made, if it made no difference.
Antwort von Jan:
Although the fair SonyCX 11 of HF 100 is rival, HG 20 = SR 11 and SR 21 = HG 12th HF 11 is built with its Flash memory a bit different, because it is synonymous at the moment no Sony Consumer with 24 Mbit / sec there.
VG
Jan
Antwort von Schleichmichel:
hf sr11 and 11 may I use for the about the same price get the HF100 would be about 100 euros less. And where?
Antwort von RickyMartini:
Although the fair SonyCX 11 of HF 100 is rival, HG 20 = SR 11 and SR 21 = HG 12th HF 11 is built with its Flash memory a bit different, because it is synonymous at the moment no Sony Consumer with 24 Mbit / sec there.
VG
Jan However, the AF of CX11 quite badly and Memory Sticks are compared to SDHC cards well three times as expensive. In addition to the fan clearly perceptible, the CX11 AVCHD for the chip is needed.
Thus, the HF100 clear advantage.
Antwort von Gustav:
The HF100 can allerwärmstens I recommend it because even more compact and no hard drive, which brings with restrictions (in off shocks, Height s.3000m use no longer possible).
16GB Class 6 SDHC cards are already available p.23 ¬ (that's enough for 2h in the best video quality). From 3000 m Height no longer possible to use: can you explain the exact, since I first heard. As I look at the purchase of a Canon HG21 consider, for example, in the mountains only a single device to have to lug, but it gives me somewhat important.
Gustav
Antwort von RickyMartini:
The HF100 can allerwärmstens I recommend it because even more compact and no hard drive, which brings with restrictions (in off shocks, Height s.3000m use no longer possible).
16GB Class 6 SDHC cards are already available p.23 ¬ (that's enough for 2h in the best video quality).
From 3000 m Height no longer possible to use: can you explain the exact, since I first heard. As I look at the purchase of a Canon HG21 consider, for example, in the mountains only a single device to have to lug, but it gives me somewhat important.
Gustav This is in the manual (on the Sony-HP can be found).
In reality, the problem is not ready, how to read it in the Forum.
Antwort von numeris:
[quote = "Gustav"]
From 3000 m Height no longer possible to use: can you explain the exact, since I first heard. The write of the hard disks floating on an air cushion. From 3000, the air is too thin, the risk that the head on the plate aufschlägt - usually fatal for the HDD's.
Antwort von Stonehorn:
Say False umbrella Springer and climbers prefer to use flash memory! Eh better because less sensitive to vibration, or a model taking both the record and can easily over 3000m aufm memory stick and take the plate and let it rest. Example of the new Panasonic HS300;)
Antwort von gkiphard:
Since one week I have the Canon HF100 and am currently in the process of this anywhere SonySR12 directly compare.
Since the HF11 is still slightly better picture compared to the HF100/HF10 offers, can still carry out the comparison.
I can not confirm. I have tried both cameras and say quite subjective, that I have a better picture of Sonyweitaus like. It is absolutely neutral in color, clear and very sharp. The Picture of the Canon is not neutral in color with sometimes frightening distortions and it is not strictly synonymous. Overall, the Sonyeine much higher quality camcorder.
Antwort von RickyMartini:
Since one week I have the Canon HF100 and am currently in the process of this anywhere SonySR12 directly compare.
Since the HF11 is still slightly better picture compared to the HF100/HF10 offers, can still carry out the comparison.
I can not confirm. I have tried both cameras and say quite subjective, that I have a better picture of Sonyweitaus like. It is absolutely neutral in color, clear and very sharp. The Picture of the Canon is not neutral in color with sometimes frightening distortions and it is not strictly synonymous. Overall, the Sonyeine much higher quality camcorder. Under what conditions do you have the cams tested - in the store with only the display?
Neutral in color? The White Balance can be found at the Canon best adapt.
I have Lowlight pictures are in a direct comparison and the "family use". Given, the weaknesses of the Sony clearly shown - strong focus pumps and stronger artifact formation.
The menu of Sonyist synonymous nor grauslig as highly confusing. The White Balance can not even as fast as Canon carry.
