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Frage von Platinum:


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Antwort von Platinum:

> Can one of an internal Micro ever expect a reasonable quality ...
well as the internal micro-displays the HC3.
gruß cj



Antwort von Platinum:

Now the comments come back, "Mine is better." Get Money for Small relatv Wolfgang Winner "earwigs" and it is well with the O-Sound! Can I recommend the practice!

http://www.fxsupport.de/ohrwurm.html

Greeting
Detlev



Antwort von Platinum:

Then the sound quality seems a Canon Macke?

The noise is really unbearable. I also fear that it is noisy even with a drive aufgesteckten Micro hear.



Antwort von Platinum:

"Anonymous" wrote: Now the comments come back, "Mine is better." Get Money for Small relatv Wolfgang Winner "earwigs" and it is well with the O-Sound! Can I recommend the practice!

The reference to the earwig is good and the other wrong.
why can you with a cam for over 900 euro no noise-free
internal micro expect?
gruß cj



Antwort von Platinum:

You speak to me from the soul. EIA 1300 Euro and then a constant whir? I will try an external Micro. If the gut works, I'll probably keep the Camera.

Again my question: Can an internal Micro überhaupt afford what can be an external? Is a good all external not better?



Antwort von Schleichmichel:

That is quite nice with the earwigs, but Kunstkopfstereofonie works within the meaning of the inventor only with headphones during playback. To hear the speakers because of the omnidirectional but quite Mülligen to. The gag is head of art so that one with the Ohreigenen "sound deformations" can localize the direction. The speaker can be heard playing because not much of, except a lot of resonance of the room.

Sure you can synonymous for playback on speakers to use, or even worse on a loudspeaker system on which the stereo signal is mixed together (which is sometimes the case).

But really, this is not good. There are all the time phase cancellations, while listening to one of a speaking person can be quite annoying. Then even better external Micro stuck to it. And with voices as Mono.

Internal microphones are always difficult, synonymous at 900 ¬.



Antwort von Schleichmichel:

"Anonymous" wrote: Is a good all external not better?

If you are not synonymous and scrap buys a little of the workings of microphones understands: IN ANY CASE!



Antwort von Platinum:

The HV20 offers good (Picture) quality for a relatively low price. If you now with the sound of a micro-how so as he is at a Topkamera, but then it would be a good solution. At least, I would live with the compromise can.

In a nutshell: this is a good external Sennheiser, so for a hundred euros, better than one built with a good camera?






Antwort von Platinum:

"Surreptitious Michel" wrote: Internal microphones are always difficult, synonymous at 900?.
... comes to the claims, for the hobby of film -
the internal microphones but mostly from ...
unless you have the problem as described in the hv10/20 ..
Here one can certainly in retrospect the grundräuschpegel
audio track from the extract, but one of the yellow is not.
gruß cj
ps. with the catchy, I could pretty good surround recordings and imagine bild ton and separate, ie. the audience on film
while the speaker speaks.



Antwort von Platinum:

I'm even on the detailed test report on the camera forward, who will soon appear. I will begin once a full microfinance try and then report back here.



Antwort von Platinum:

hello, I have exactly the same problem - my Canon HV20 should come next week - I am now synonymous in the search for an external micro. The great t. has a huge selection and you can always test - the 30tage money back claim.
http://www.thomann.de/at/video_kameramikrofone.html
which only take micro judge - who has good experience with a mono-directional micro? or who shall agree synonymous with an external stereo on microeconomic and has good experience? (eg of the new Rode)
the cheapest variant would t.bone but in a test (video movies I think) there were not so good away.
http://www.thomann.de/at/the_tbone_em_9600.htm

hm what to buy?
synonymous tips on I'm very grateful.



Antwort von Platinum:

The Rode Videomic should be good.



Antwort von Platinum:

I will be a Micro Stereo growth. What price range are we talking about then? I would like around 100 euros to invest. That allowed it to something reasonable.



Antwort von Falko:

http://www.thomann.de/at/audio_technica_atr25.htm
http://www.thomann.de/at/sony_ecmms907.htm

However've no idea what the hermachen :-(

I can be up to ¬ 300 - who knows dises part?
http://www.thomann.de/at/beyerdynamic_mce72cam_stereomikrofon.htm

although I find it especially for language needs (do not want to have images in the micro) and probably as a mono-directional micro might be better suited - or?



Antwort von Falko:

Hello,

Recommendations for your microphone you have to take account of the suspension (foot) by means of rubber must be decoupled, otherwise it still hums.
I realize with my 2nd Comment here to hold back. I own besides the catchy synonymous nor the SABA CSM100. See synonymous here:
http://img456.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscn4522internetps6.jpg
This Micro is usneben the expensive Sony956? tested and very well found in the "Active Video" (2002). Still, the catchy tunes work great. For Athmo absolutely spitze! Have even a concert filmed so successfully and is now about 25 recorded tapes so. I can understand the theories mentioned quite understand - but in practice, my earwigs with Expanderbox very good!

Greeting
Detlev



Antwort von Falko:

Noise decoupling is an absolute MUST. The data are similar for almost all models, with significantly different prices. What should be next to test reports are still to look out for?



Antwort von Falko:

If someone I can make clear what a 300 Euromicro better than a 100 euro Micro, yes, I would sometimes synonymous to invest more.

Is there a good Micro, which is directly s.den Accessory shoe can connect, not with a separate cable?






Antwort von Falko:

mitlwerweile so I studied the following page http://www.ohrwurmaudio.de/ and am ever more convinced of this product. for the HV20, I probably need to expanderbox - now my question - how long is the cable of the expanderbox (box on the HV20), I am weitgenug away of the HV20 is not a noise band incorporated more?

how handy is this part (or Part 2) is synonymous All times on a trail, vacation .....

for interviews will be times I do my singing, or micro-external-audio on macbook interface and large membrane micro record synonymous me although the favorable t.bone judge or audio technica microphone irritate.



Antwort von schnuffelkalli:

hey gast,
I am a friend of the synonymous kommunikation einlogfreien
but your signature would testify in this thread
significantly clarify.
gruß cj



Antwort von stefan_e als gast:

hy leute,

worth it if you go to a 1300 ¬ cam nochmal 300 ¬ for a micro reinsteckt. would then not a cam for let's say 1800 ¬, the JVC GZ HD7 better? I just randomly pendulum between the two cams. but as I Newbern I have no bearing.

thx

S



Antwort von MadEyedMoose:

Is it because of problems with the JVC the drive noise is not? I can imagine that this is a problem synonymous to the small size of the device. A comparatively small camera like the HV 20 in the drive noise, does it work?

You get the HV20 already for 1000 Euros. Taking a micro for about 300 ¬, the quality should be better than when an expensive camera to buy. Or?



Antwort von MadEyedMoose:

which we had already ... why this question again?
perhaps as much:
when synonymous with the external micro make better recordings,
A small camera has to be spontaneous and not to film
to the micro mitzuschleppen Gedo always, therefore, synonymous with the tip of the earwig.
gruß cj

ps. the jvc is not recommended ...



Antwort von MadEyedMoose:

Hello out there? Once again: Are there any comparable small cameras like the HV20 without disturbing noises drive?



Antwort von Matt58:

Hello,

've been a few days synonymous owner of a HV20.
During testing I noticed the following:

- The sound comes from the drive when the shutting down after a while there is silence
- The noise varies greatly depending on whether and how the camera in your hand! This has me very irritated.
If the camera out, little is heard. Is it the hand through the loop and sets the fingers from above, is a high-frequency Sirren there. The synonymous changes depending on the position of the hand.

Since it seems that the hand into the noise Micro to "reflect".
If someone's behavior could be reproduced times, I would be grateful not to say that my camera has ne Macke ...
Maybe the camera was synonymous but not quite long for my fingers built ...

Greeting

Marc



Antwort von Andy Garcia:

Hi Marc!

The sound is synonymous with my HV20 vary. S.der reflection that it is obvious I have not noticed. But I have noticed that the camera in different positions and inclination angles makes different sounds. I will try it tonight and then report back.



Antwort von Andy Garcia:

Hi

When filming in a room
eg s.einer wall near the drive then the wall of noise
and reflects the internal Micro takes it then.

Bets on the check that if during filming
Listen s.den a header followed by HV 20.

If I for example: a finger in the hollow between the drive and Microphone
then squeeze the drive noise disappears almost completely.






Antwort von Nightfly!:

Pity is that in addition to the Canon of ignorance about the drive noise test synonymous Advisor underestimate this point.

A camcorder as a total product with such a distinctive sound vermießt a lot of movies. At least if you do not then the sound of music would like to replace.

I just fall to the old Charlie Chaplin black and white films with the background piano music and the plot and dialogues between with sliced addition, text panels.

Canon s.Sound should work if it is not just good cameras but want to build synonymous modern film cameras.

Gruß,
Nightfly!

PS: Is it useful as a multimedia system consisting of
HDTV and Monolautsprechern.



Antwort von Jack43:

Hello s.alle,
I have the Rode SVM Stereo Videomic done for 198 ¬. It is super and even coat with a windscreen which delivered the good! it had to "Music Store" bought, because the supply is free postage!

Grüsse of
Paul



Antwort von Meggs:

"Nightfly" wrote: Pity is that in addition to the Canon of ignorance about the drive noise test synonymous Advisor underestimate this point.

Canon s.Sound should work if it is not just good cameras but want to build synonymous modern film cameras.



Such statements are always made of people who do not have a direct comparison possible.
There have been discussions, in which a Canon XM2-owner of his camcorder the sound was bad, an owner of the Panasonic GS400 camcorder astrein his sound without noise. Who ever I filmed with two cameras has, knows that the sound of the XM2 with the built-Micro is better than the sound of the GS400. Perhaps people with Canon equipment and less critical of it, her part in the sky to praise as the owners of other brands. My impression in any case is that the sound of Canon devices, if not worse than the sound of other brands in its class.



Antwort von Gast1:

Here are some instructions on how to at least a portion of the barrel after removing noise can http://www.videoclub-ahrweiler.de/2cooltip.htm
If somewhere in the middle of the "noise or mains hum remove", uses the program is now called Adobe Audition, but it is synonymous with other audio tools.

Synonymous microphones have a "focus", so how about Lenses. When the microphone is Richtkarakteristik. The cameras in the assembled microphones often have a kidney Richtkarakteristik (a kind of wide), which will simplify everything, and next on the Camera on. Mostly, they are auto regulated, with strong noise, the sensitivity is reduced, increases in schawchen (then it takes just synonymous to the noise). With some cameras you can adjust the sensitivity manual.
When you purchase external microphone should be usauf the Richkarakteristik care of the "detective" needed more of a directional microphone :-), rather the family film with a kidney shape. Besides the already mentioned next Auskoppeln by rubber, etc. MicroStation must be synonymous if necessary, so as to be that the "blind spots" are directed against the camera.
The price differences come usaus the accuracy of Richtkarakteristik, the burden on internal outcoupling and the frequency response of the microphone.
For Language and background noise is needed not 20 kHz, even for musicians.
Hope this helps a little when choosing the right microphones.



Antwort von Nightfly!:

Meggen Hello! (Compare, I can ;-))

Nothing for ungut! But a XM2 is a different price category and user area (professional) as a HV20/10. As for the GS400-ridden owner, I can not understand, unfortunately, synonymous!

Different user areas (professional, semi / amateur) does not mean that Canon differences regarding a balanced product quality should make.

Drive noise there is of course synonymous with other manufacturers, but Canon, they are in my opinion Semiprofisegment prominent and more frequently in conversation. The latter could, of course, synonymous according to your statement / Hyphothese indicate that "people with Canon equipment more critical" are.

Perhaps my expectations were s.eine ¬ ca.1000 Canon Cam synonymous simply too high after the good experiences with the Canon cameras.
An entry-level cam for amateur / Semiprof starts well but just ¬ 1000 (see Recommendation Slashcam: Link)
Und da muss man wohl synonymous ein paar Bugs in den Hauptfunktionalitäten in Purchase nehmen.(auf die verschiedene Testberichter bzgl der HV20/10 zumindest als Bemerkung hinweisen.)

Gruß,
Nightfly!

"Megger" wrote: Link)
Und da muss man wohl synonymous ein paar Bugs in den Hauptfunktionalitäten in Purchase nehmen.(auf die verschiedene Testberichter bzgl der HV20/10 zumindest als Bemerkung hinweisen.)

Gruß,
Nightfly!


Such statements are always made of people who do Link)
Und da muss man wohl synonymous ein paar Bugs in den Hauptfunktionalitäten in Purchase nehmen.(auf die verschiedene Testberichter bzgl der HV20/10 zumindest als Bemerkung hinweisen.)

Gruß,
Nightfly!

not have a direct comparison possible.
There have been discussions, in which a Canon XM2-owner of his camcorder the sound was bad, an owner of the Panasonic GS400 camcorder astrein his sound without noise. Who ever I filmed with two cameras has, knows that the sound of the XM2 with the built-Micro is better than the sound of the GS400. Link)
Und da muss man wohl synonymous ein paar Bugs in den Hauptfunktionalitäten in Purchase nehmen.(auf die verschiedene Testberichter bzgl der HV20/10 zumindest als Bemerkung hinweisen.)

Gruß,
Nightfly!


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Antwort von reidor:

"Anonymous" wrote: The manual explains in: Automatic can cause the Micro in silence especially sensitive controls. I have therefore tried the manual mode. In vain. In each sensitivity setting is the sound.
The manual mode so synonymous only to the fact that the drive is usually always the same noise is loud. The "Störbabstand" to the desired level can not be improved.

I would like to see a HV20 purchase synonymous. Based on the tests and posts here, I can be difficult to estimate how much the noise really are. From "useless" to "hardly disturbs" is all there.

If I put in a market (such as Media Markt) go, and a cassette Headphones go, I would feel the noise so you hear? Or is the background noise is already too high?



Antwort von FEZI:

So I want to with the Micro ONLY drive the disturbing noise remove, to say otherwise, it should preferably be small and portable.

What specific products, which provide sufficient decoupling (as rubber), may be recommended for this.

Thank you very much



Antwort von Andry01:

Could it be that the noise varies with individual de HV 20 are?

Can of my claim that we - synonymous in calm situations as good as no noise haben.Andere turn drive report of loud noises.

Or is it simply the difference in subjective impression of users?

Gruss

Andreas



Antwort von Andreas_Kiel:

"reidor" wrote: If I put in a market (such as Media Markt) go, and a cassette Headphones go, I would feel the noise so you hear? Or is the background noise is already too high?
I do not know what worked for you the next media market is set up ... for us is the audio department s.anderen end, unfortunately the CD department almost next door. As you can sometimes not even hear your own thoughts, let alone a drive noise.
To truly test: negotiable right of return, the quietest space at home to choose, Rec press, a couple of down comforters and throw over it after a minute stop (in the time it probably does not overheat).
Then you have the self-noise on their own and can be subjectively assessed.
But what really uses it? This would slow you compare the various models. I'd built the microphones as far as possible and ignore external drauf.
BG
Andreas






Antwort von Novice:

What are the differences now because of the different microphones of (experience)? The Rode SVM Stereo Videomic seems to be good:
But since there was not more favorable?

The principle of the earwig, I do not quite understand. Is now safe saudumme question, but where there is the Micro? http://www.ohrwurmaudio.de/bestell.html

And I see this correctly that I am with the catchy sound to an external device records to it later with the picture to be synchronized? Could I be so synonymous with no camera noise (Atmo) capture? Can I have a (microphone pole not simply tinker themselves together, or something you have to consider?

Many questions, I know, but there are things that interested me burning.



Antwort von mac_mac:

the earwig, lock right camcorder s.den.
But everything on the hp

The connection

The earwig s.seinem II owns about 1 m long cable a standard 3.5 mm stereo jack. Has the recording device s.der a microphone microphone jack voltage of 1.65 to 10 volts, then the earwig II directly s.das unit. This is for every Sony camera (Hi8 s.aufwärts of), or synonymous with many MD or Waverekorder (Edirol) the case.
If you have a catchy s.ein device without a microphone connected to power, it is synonymous no problem with the Expanderbox is a port of the earwig s.jedem with microphone input device is guaranteed.