Frage von Loox:
Hello,
I currently own Panasnonic the NV-GS300.
Today I looked at once the successor, the NV-GS 330 and viewed with hat's gegraust. Is it actually a lot has been slimmed down. No flash, fewer unions and the haptics synonymous is much worse ....
Well, probably a step backwards for the GS 300, as I noted.
But now, I play with the idea of me the Canon HV30 "zuzulegen.
How does the Canon HV30 "in Comparison to the GS 300 from?
A clear improvement or only marginal?
If you are still mini-DV camcorder to buy, or maybe SD?
So what would the experts think about judging?
Or maybe an entirely different model? I'm not as up to date.
Thank you for your opinions.
Antwort von Markus73:
Hello,
I had you already answered in another thread.
When I do so look for your question, I can you just give advice, you must thoroughly on the various video systems to provide information before you buy anything.
The HV30 is an HDV camera, the Panasonic is working with default resolution, on mini-DV draw on both. A Comparison between these two is about as nonsensical as the question whether in Italy or even better after the holidays in Hong Kong should proceed as long as you do not know what you plan so.
The properties of the video material, the processing of the necessary hardware, etc., etc. differ fundamentally!
Regards,
Markus
Antwort von Loox:
OK, what I want, what I have ...
I use a purely Camocorder for the holidays on various long-haul.
2 x per year so I would use it, each about 2-3 hours.
My hardware: 2 x Hig-end calculator with both the fastest Intel CPUs. 2 High-End Samsung notebooks - see above.
1 Mac Pro 8-Core.
Not to forget, The Acer Aspire One 150X - Netbook.
RAM: 4 GB, OS: Vista 32bit, 64bit, XP Pro, XP Home and Mac OS X Leopard. Graphics: 512 - 1024 MB cards.
No Calculator older than 5 months.
So it should not fail.
Let us AlSi back to my original question.
The Comparison with Hong Kong is lagging in my eyes, but very much apart from that I'm there quite often because it is not so much of my real home away. :-)
Well, I will look - or simply buy the Canon. Fits well with my Canon DSLR equipment.
Antwort von Markus73:
My allusion Comparison with the aim that one of the high resolution camera, the other does not.
If your goal should be, the material on a TV view, so you need high resolution in the case of material with a PC Bluray burner, a software with the HDV material can circumvent a Bluray player and a high-resolution television.
Since one of your alternatives is a non-HD device is, I'm not sure if you like this fact is clear.
You should tell us whether and to what extent a service is provided, which target media you have, where and how your finished video to be viewed.
Regards,
Markus
Antwort von Loox:
Bluray is available, a HD plasma TV, among other things, too.
The films should be cut - Software is in place, synonymous with the HD material can handle.
But do I want it really does not pull up.
I would just buy a new camcorder, everything else is not quite so important. It must not be synonymous HD device.
And I all but synonymous not so complicated desirable, because (as already mentioned several times) All I s.Rande only run the Cam and 10 months of the year lies unused in the cupboard.
Antwort von Axel:
As I take a different Comparison of coal to the aside, and then the question is whether you should buy a wallet or slips into your pocket still darn ...
We could `s no preference but rather we could kringeln at the presentation that you have normal-resolution video remains on your high-resolution screen shovel. Should I now actually prefer to bathe in perfume or champagne? Tricky question! As I turn times for advice rather s.andere
Antwort von raymaker:
And once again one of the absolute no idea of technology .... * * gääähn
Purchase your NEN super large shoulder camcorder! Search times in the forum, since your cousin has written a look;)
Antwort von Loox:
Good morning,
on the two last posts, I would like to address is really not, since I have completely and disrespectfully as unobjective classify.
Not my level.
Basically my question is serious and I have repeatedly pointed out that I got out of the camp come DSLR (which I made sure with knowledge of flooding could) and therefore in terms of video / camcorder your Council needs.
Antwort von darg:
Hhm, so first I would say here you comparing apples with pears. Cam is an HDV, the other SD video, so the old PAL TV history and to compare this is simply rubbish. On the other you seem technically HD to have everything, so why should you leave your videos on HDTV in SD inflated view of what just looks bad. It may be that the difference you might not know but it was mentioned here and now it would s.Dir to say whether you want to go HD or step back in the old times make SD want, not what I do and I would do not even have an HDTV but three HD Cams :-)
But still look at your opening question to come back, the HV30 is a super-Cam, the picture quality can in this price sector as some higher-Cam is in the shade. With some accessories, such as external Microphones and the wide-angle converter of Canon or Raynox is the device with which I leave my videos and they are doing in collaboration with my HV10 just super. Since then, I would never step into the SDLager make. My SD of Sony (we are talking here of Sd as a standard TV, not as a storage media!) Has good pictures but after I had started with HDV is only my webcam :-)
So go look at yourself and think about exactly what you want to do. If there are questions we should get here :-)
My personal tip, why not Speicherkartenbasierend and HDV? Tapes are cheap, all about to get what with memory cards or hard disks is not the case!
Antwort von Axel:
Good morning,
on the two last posts, I would like to address is really not, since I have completely and disrespectfully as unobjective classify.
Not my level.
Basically my question is serious and I have repeatedly pointed out that I got out of the camp come DSLR (which I made sure with knowledge of flooding could) and therefore in terms of video / camcorder your Council needs. Sorry, Loox, but if your equipment presented here is whether you get back (!) A DV Cam Pal retrieve test, simply ridiculous. Very many are here because of better picture quality have long been converted to HD, but often intersect s.den limits on machines which have power and in most cases do not have Bluray players - because synonymous to a normal DVD, the higher the recording Resolutionbei still makes a positive impact. Even if you would shoot very often, but a Webauflösung everything would be what you aspired to, if you were more of a candidate for a newer DSLR than an Ixus, maybe this will light thee Comparison On.
A propos DSLR. If you's can afford, but get the new Canon DSLR. In
this
If you think too expensive, take the HV30.
Antwort von Meggs:
A propos DSLR. If you's can afford, but get the new Canon DSLR. In this thread is reported. Up to 12 minutes of video in Full HD. Read the thread, wait until you discuss the hot videos on the second Page can download again.
The link he already knows, I had him in his
last thread
@ Loox
You see, it brings nothing when on the same subject 2 thread aufmacht.
Antwort von Loox:
A propos DSLR. If you's can afford, but get the new Canon DSLR. In this thread is reported.
If you think too expensive, take the HV30. Hello,
The EOS 5D MarkII is already in my photo dealer ordered and now I wait on it. but not because they produce full HD video, but because I have the predecessor EOS 5D and various others (450D, 40D, 50D, 1D Mark III and 1Ds Mark III) may call my own.
The video function in the new 5D, I see as a commercial gimmick and I am interested in more s.Rande. Synonymous'm not sure how well the ultimately could be implemented.
Will probably buy the HV30.
BTW: Your choice of words as simply ridiculous *... * etc. pp. I find inappropriate. You should get something more respectful formulations choose.
Antwort von Meggs:
The EOS 5D MarkII is already in my photo dealer ordered and now I wait on it. but not because they produce full HD video, but because I have the predecessor EOS 5D and various others (450D, 40D, 50D, 1D Mark III and 1Ds Mark III) may call my own.
This is a good reason to buy, because I give you right. Similarly, I recommend synonymous to the HV30 HV 20, and all the predecessors (see Canon. Com) to order.
Antwort von Axel:
The video function in the new 5D, I see as a commercial gimmick and I am interested in more s.Rande. Synonymous'm not sure how well the ultimately could be implemented. There may be an advertising strategy, but I think it works. A link is currently not allowed to reach it, the original files of the movie download. That is what I have done, and it succeeds me, with a considerably weaker than your calculator MacPro, these easy to edit. The Camera I see for many applications as a veritable alternative to an HD camcorder on.
BTW: Your choice of words as simply ridiculous *... * etc. pp. I find inappropriate. You should get something more respectful formulations choose. The resentment of the financially weak Kleinbürgerhochzeit by the carefree "orders" of equipment complies with envy. Put the shoe you halt not.
I like the worm, the dust durchwühlt,
the, as he dove from nourishing lives,
If the Wand'rers destroyed and buried.
Antwort von Loox:
This is a good reason to buy, because I give you right. Similarly, I recommend synonymous to the HV30 HV 20, and all the predecessors (see Canon. Com) to order. Well, the reason to buy is displaced elsewhere.
The 5D is good, the 5D Mark III is better, newer model and why I ordered it. It comes very handy on my claims.
How do I do it always.
Would I like the camcorder area of interest, I would have certainly synonymous CAMCO a larger fleet. But as already mentioned several times, my focus is in the DSLR segment.
Antwort von Loox:
There may be an advertising strategy ....
The Camera I see for many applications as a veritable alternative to an HD camcorder on.
Unfortunately, it is that Canon, like Nikon synonymous and the other competitors in the cameras functions pack, which has focused on strategies * * which, nobody really wanted.
Soon you can with a DSLR still phoning.
That this function in an HD DSLR once quite make sense can be like, but for now I see that was not entirely successful.
Let's see what time brings.
Antwort von Meggs:
The list of your fleet suggests that you are more of a DSLR collector as an active amateur photographer are. Most of the cameras listed came during the last 18 months on the market. The EOS 450 D is Canon's entry-level device, the 1DS Mark III is s.anderen end of the scale. I can think of except collect no sensible reason why 1 person buys both cameras. Active wealthy photographers are content with a few high-end cameras and invest the equivalent of a small or medium cars in Lenses.
Antwort von Loox:
Hello Meggen,
I'm even a semi photographer.
I use all the cameras and each has its raison d'être in my Equpment.
Take on my many trips (to me in all corners of this world were allowed), for example, more and more Bodysuit with, to respond flexibly to the specific situations to be prepared.
Have even a Leica V-LUX 1 in my * Fleet * and this is a bridge camera. but it is nice and small and not open * system * which is just in dusty areas of great benefit.
The Canon lenses I have not even listed, but they exceed the price of all my EOS body by far.
Also, the BG to the equipment, system flash, etc. I have not listed.
And to conclude:
If I had a camera no longer use because I have a follow-up model have purchased (eg. Aktuell: 400D> 450D, 40D> 50D, 5D,> 5D M III), separate I only very rarely from the predecessor. Because each camera has a story for me.
But now enough OT - and only your presumption to rebut.
Antwort von Meggs:
Hello Loox,
I did as a child loves the novels of Karl May read. Your manner of expression and synonymous what you write, remind me very much. You're perhaps not coincidentally a great-grandson of him?
Many greetings and a lot of fun while traveling and photography
Megger
Antwort von Loox:
Hello Loox,
You're perhaps not coincidentally a great-grandson of him?
Many greetings and a lot of fun while traveling and photography
Megger Hello Meggen,
The idea that awakens in me a nostalgic feeling and I would bond this family is certainly not anti.
Thank you for your wishes and synonymous you a nice rest-week.
Antwort von raymaker:
PowerMac, where you stay? ;)
(and I mean that seriously, is slowly amusing)
Antwort von inted:
[quote = "Loox"]
The EOS 5D MarkII is already in my photo dealer ordered and now I wait on it. but not because they produce full HD video, but because I have the predecessor EOS 5D and various others (450D, 40D, 50D, 1D Mark III and 1Ds Mark III) may call my own.
... BTW: Your choice of words as simply ridiculous *... * etc. pp. I find inappropriate. You should get something more respectful formulations choose. I can only imagine that you have given us here a powerful vorfaken. Earl Loox, it belongs to the posturing stage. I believe you in any case only 5%.
Antwort von Loox:
What they can imagine synonymous or not, I am absolutely touched peripherally.
Still a nice day.
But I do think that the thread here for quite some time in the OT and tend to drift unobjective postings are made, I call for a closure of the thread. Notification abbstellt.
Antwort von seat-cr-power:
Much Gebabbel about nothing ...
Now we know who is doing what Noble plays at home but still nothing to the HV30 in Comparison to the GS 330
Since I only had nv-gs400 and now the HV-30 just tell me what the HV-30.
S.sich The Camera is ok, for older bit too small, very handy for travelers, because it has a automatic lens protection. No more lost flap can go! The image quality is sufficient light (day with enough clouds) for a model singelchip super. Once it gets dark, unfortunately, starts at the big noise. That was when gs400 not so crass. On a normal PAL TV you can see it but not so on his HD is already extreme. The advantage. The AGM-30 records on Mini DV and can thus use old tapes, like us, because the mainboard gs400 because damage is eliminated. 800 euros repairs were too much. Also can the video 's, since it is only 1080i so 1440x1080, with any laptop with 2 GHZ Core 2 Duo cut s.die without borders to join the computer as with the AVCHD models usual.
A pity that the Charger has no battery slot. You need to download the Camera or accessories to buy.
If you have serious issues to emerge HV 30 then I will seriously synonymous these questions. Is really a pity that in the forums only OT discussion. Everyone loves the text of the other and if it is not synonymous only one point is missing. Echt schade ...
Antwort von tillbaer:
You should install Slashcam a function, which anyone who opens a new thread warns that a solid core of hardcore users, about 10 participants, the whole day on it has been waiting for the accumulated daily frustrations s.ihm abzureagieren. This virtual road course from the ghetto video then insulted him first with silly sayings and insults in Gangster Lang.
If he gets through, however, and future, all these entries are ignored, he gets s.Ende but his answer - as the seat-of-cr power. A beautiful image of our society.
Liebe Grüße s.alle, which is still a pleasant expression endeavor. For those, there is still an almost-forgotten value: "Respect."
Antwort von WoWu:
Look @
Perhaps a short note on the HV30 in combination with Blu-ray.
Blu-ray format supports only 1440x1080 in AVC or VC1, not in the HDV's MPEG2.
Antwort von Otello:
Why should not proceed. I burn for my PS3 with the following settings.
File - mpeg2
Default / Custom
Video Preferences / Option: constant bit rate selected
Resolution / HDV2 1440 / 1080i
Data / 25,000 k / bits. Sec
Or am I there a mistake?
Antwort von WoWu:
Blu-ray does
not support MPEG2 H-14 profiles (1440) but in the HD range merely the MP @ HL, ie 1920 (square pixels).
The only format in 1440 (25i and 24p) are exclusively in AVC or VC1 support.
For the PS3, all possible format possible, but not necessarily something with Blu-ray have to do them.
Now you can naturally reciprocating, and HDV and the first decode signal interpolated 1920 HL in new code to be synonymous to BR play it ...
But with "support" means you actually native code ... and since, the Blu-ray specifications for HDV her nothing.
Incidentally, the 1440 supports HDMI shapes are not synonymous.
Antwort von Otello:
Well, then I do not understand why I so everything on my Television watching can be. But as I said: Probably in reasoning.
Antwort von WoWu:
PS3 is not a simple BR-player game but only "synonymous" BR discs ... and via HDMI to your television to get an interpolated signal synonymous ...
Did you look at the disc is a "normal" BR player tries? Probably not, because it does not.
As I said, PS3 is not to be confused with BR hardware.
Antwort von Otello:
On my SonyBDP-S 350 runs synonymous.
Antwort von WoWu:
Then do you no 1440 in MPEG ... because BR-1440 supports not in MPEG2 ... s.den specifications so we both can not change now.
Antwort von domain:
Whether we s.den as specifications can change something or not is actually quite synonymous wurscht, Haupsache HD files of any kind can be of any media players that are synonymous with no hook and childish and without intermediate chapter beautiful prints on the windows.
But this is the time not yet ripe. With the exception of PopcornHour and Tvix dominate most GB players apparently do not even HDMI, but this will still change.
But I understand that there are materialists who was gripping and Versendbares want in your hands, just as the gold Dukatenbeißer only if they recognize their teeth may dig into the gold.
War had been synonymous in the photo club like that. The hard-liners had their digital photos but slides smoothly to closing date, etc., because they somehow otherwise intangible and tangible were not real.
While this strategy today is because of the much longer shelf-life of ausbelichteten photos yet somehow comprehensible, you can see the relative of the probably soon fade BDs probably not say.
Antwort von WoWu:
I think that HDMI and BR bring us no good anyway, when you consider how much of it into a possible format freedom intervene .....
The industry requires ever more closely to what has Consument to use ... now we can speculate on when the product synonymous diversity that pressure there.
No bright future in this regard ....
Antwort von jogol:
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You should install Slashcam a function, which anyone who opens a new thread warns that a solid core of hardcore users, about 10 participants, the whole day on it has been waiting for the accumulated daily frustrations s.ihm abzureagieren. This virtual road course from the ghetto video then insulted him first with silly sayings and insults in Gangster Lang.
If he gets through, however, and future, all these entries are ignored, he gets s.Ende but his answer - as the seat-of-cr power. A beautiful image of our society.
Liebe Grüße s.alle, which is still a pleasant expression endeavor. For those, there is still an almost-forgotten value: "Respect." [quote]
You're somehow landed in the wrong movie.
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Antwort von WoWu:
... and "Mietmäuler" ...
Antwort von tillbaer:
@ jogol
That, I think sometimes synonymous! Just nice that in this film is plenty of other game - synonymous when only a small minority.
Liebe Grüße - Til.
Antwort von B.DeKid:
..... Let's see what time brings. RED EPIC 617 with 261 megapixels ;-)
Purchase the HV30 plus Raynox Wide Angle intent worth, will be at peace.
MfG
B. DeKid
Antwort von RickyMartini:
I think that HDMI and BR bring us no good anyway, when you consider how much of it into a possible format freedom intervene .....
The industry requires ever more closely to what has Consument to use ... now we can speculate on when the product synonymous diversity that pressure there.
No bright future in this regard .... When it comes to the content industry would go, there is generally no possibility of the picture and sound recording for non-professionals!
How was it then with Sonyand the Betamax ruling, long before Sony self to the content maker has become? ;)
After all, allow "you" our recording of TV programs and let us play with camcorders. :)
