Frage von jason:
Hello Together.
Belongings with my relatively new (7Monate) canon xh s.eine Backlight recording made in about two minutes long, had. while I am relatively Schwenke total of the sun on a tree.
On the next take, I want the camera on ... only black in the picture as viewfinders on the display.
When Servisce which came out this short Gegenlichtaufnahe aperture lamella moved. The repair will cost about 400 Euros. Canon takes over, although I had many conversations, even though I have no costs in the full warranty period bin.
I think a camera of this price class should not something happen!
Does anyone have something similar happen? What can we do but to guarantee the claims?
Dearest Grues, Nordo.
Libste Grüsse, Nordo.
Antwort von jason:
Will the next time 'ne FX1 - to keep something from ...
Antwort von jason:
Will the next time 'ne FX1 - to keep something from ... Stupid is no more!
Gunman
Antwort von Bernd E.:
Recording Backlight ... ... in about two minutes long, had. while I am relatively Schwenke total of the sun on a tree ... Could you host this situation and the camera settings (aperture, Graufilter etc.) more accurately describe it? Somewhat normal conditions, the lamellar Aperture still survive - even with a manufacturer that is just because of his Lenses a very good reputation.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von r.p.television:
Probably wants to be here on the Canon reference, which is in every manual - no preference which manufacturer - to find, warns the user of the eyepiece lens and a longer time to suspend direct sunlight.
Now the question is what the manufacturer as "Longer" idea. A setting sun is well known synonymous over very long time on film, without which the camera takes damage.
At midday sun, the experience is low because it is only because of the very steep little sunshine state offers, the celestial body in thematically with the recording system.
I could however, imagine that under very adverse conditions, the camera lens as a magnifying glass on the interior work.
I would still be even with CANON with asking for grace in touch, as manuals are not on the length of sunlight invoked. One should assume that it is within a unstatischen recording does not happen.
However, I would even Jitter, my camera with or without ND filter longer than a few seconds directly to the midday sun to keep. Anyone who as a child with a simple magnifying glass, his name burned into wood, knows how fast it is.
But is interesting. One hears only from hearsay, but never first hand.
Will the next time 'ne FX1 - to keep something from ...
Good. If you're so sure, we are happy if you tell us your FX1 for a test to ask ;-)
Antwort von Bernd E.:
However ... I would even Jitter my Camera ... directly to the midday sun to keep ... Should Nordo his camera actually two minutes in the midday sun have held, would be a defect, in fact, no wonder (that's why so synonymous my demand for the precise circumstances). Only I would be a loss - precisely because of you described the magnifying glass effect - in the sensor area and not expect s.den trim strips.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von Andreas_Kiel:
Backlight recording made in about two minutes long, had. while I am relatively Schwenke total of the sun on a tree. ... few questions: ND filter on it? And as long as the sun was
actually in the picture and where exactly (center, edge)? Look at your tape s.and miss the real time.
Where you've recorded - here in the north, or in the Sahara? I hardly believe that the sun is with us in this season already so much force.
You write, the camera was (is) at the service? Do you have the rejection of Canon in writing or orally get? Have the tape at your service (immediately repeat! This is "A piece of evidence")?
Poste please all times, the answers or the demonstrable facts is what counts.
BG, Andreas
Antwort von Andreas_Kiel:
Will the next time 'ne FX1 - to keep something from ...
Good. If you're so sure, we are happy if you tell us your FX1 for a test to ask ;-) Approximately 15 seconds
summer sun keeps the FX1 at least, in any case my copy ... Still image to see the plant, recorded 05.07.2007 in Hamburg's harbor, slow swing and sun for the entire duration of the Picture, ND 2, probably not to Aperture.
If, for 2 minutes now Nordo
winter sun already Lens Canon crumble, I would like him my clip as an argument to it. I know myself with the different intensity of the summer / winter sun is not so much of the winter sun is my opinion only a fraction of radiation so intense.
(Imitation is still not recommended, with
None Camera ... :-))
BG, Andreas
Antwort von r.p.television:
I think that four factors play a role:
1. whether the camera very still or not
2. how the sun in the field of view centered
3. the length of the recruitment
4. and finally to-day and season synonymous
In winter, the radiation is actually a lot weaker, because the UV radiation so much more atmosphere must pass through.
Would not surprise me if this effect is not that would be easily reproducible. Synonymous but not in the interest of each here ....
I would generally argue that the recording is not static and time-limited recording act. The note in the Manueals reads it a little differently - namely, that more time must verrinnen until such an injury occurs. What now my Canon manual is not handy, but there would be times I just look after what was drinsteht.
EDIT:
Have now the XH A1 Manual in my work desk drawer found:
There is only:
Align the Viewfinder is not directly at the sun. The LCD screen of the viewfinder can be done by the concentration of light through the lens may be damaged. Especially when setting up the camcorder on a tripod or during transport is a careful handling is important. There is only what the eyepiece, but not from the actual lens. The Canon has forgotten. This could be your happiness.
While it is generally known that we here must be with caution.
But you can make so stupid .....
Antwort von przy:
I've been in Aperture ~ 6 and ND2 about a minute of direct sunlight and had with me is everything is fine.
If the problem can not understand! Did you perhaps without ND filter rotated?
Antwort von Friedhelm 2:
Would give me a camcorder to film and not to buy ADS. There is still synonymous with those camcorder you can FILMS synonymous. Probably the camcorder ABOUT SHARPNESS this fault.
Antwort von r.p.television:
Would give me a camcorder to film and not to buy ADS. There is still synonymous with those camcorder you can FILMS synonymous. Probably the camcorder ABOUT SHARPNESS this fault. Very constructive post! Mach prefer your homework!
Antwort von r.p.television:
I've been in Aperture ~ 6 and ND2 about a minute of direct sunlight and had with me is everything is fine.
If the problem can not understand! Did you perhaps without ND filter rotated? Hello Guest!
Refers you value your experience to a XH A1 or another camcorder?
Antwort von Andreas_Kiel:
Would give me a camcorder to film and not to buy ADS. There is still synonymous with those camcorder you can FILMS synonymous. Probably the camcorder ABOUT SHARPNESS this fault.
Very constructive post! Mach prefer your homework! Do not feed the troll!
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... Align the Viewfinder is not directly at the sun. The LCD screen of the viewfinder can be done by the concentration of light by the Lens damage ... so you can make stupid ... I do not make me stupid, I really grübel s.diesem sentence from the instructions: When I VIEWFINDER directed at the sun, but shows the Lens of the sun away, right? And how can even the viewfinder display for the coming through the lens light damage? The two are but do not directly connected? Or because the translator has the "lens" that the viewfinders in Lens says simply accidentally with "Lens" to be translated? Something is just because the hose on my logical imagination ...
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von Andreas_Kiel:
Have now the XH A1 Manual in my work desk drawer found:
There is only:
Align the Viewfinder is not directly at the sun. The LCD screen of the viewfinder can be done by the concentration of light through the lens may be damaged. Especially when setting up the camcorder on a tripod or during transport is a careful handling is important.
There is only what the eyepiece, but not from the actual lens. @ Nordo: this sentence in the Canon Instructions brings your chances of a good step forward but not far enough ... there are still a few unanswered questions (see above).
BG, Andreas
Antwort von Andreas_Kiel:
Something is just because the hose on my logical imagination ... ... I am still waiting on some answers, so the fall from what I myself think that Canon is a little surprise and the translator of this manual bescheuert fire :-)))
But just wait ... sounds exciting.
BG, Andreas
Antwort von r.p.television:
Here eyepiece of sense with "Lens" translated, because this paragraph is in the manual on the Page, on the exclusively on the Viewfinder is received.
I've browsed the manual and this for the actual lens found no warning.
Am not a lawyer, but I can imagine that the absence of the warning Manufacturer Liability for Damage s.den goes.
One can not assume that a buyer knows magnifying glass effect.
But for this we have to Andreas!
:-)
Antwort von Andreas_Kiel:
Am not a lawyer, but I can imagine that the absence of the warning Manufacturer Liability for Damage s.den goes.
Well ... wait times, as long as he really the camera at the sun has. We are not here in the U.S., where it on the coffee mug "caution hot" thing to write about. Here are the judges of a slightly higher level from Intel Lenz.
After all ... if you could rely on it "so the others make it synonymous and nothing happens and also, I do not have the eyepiece at the sun kept ..."
Well just wait and see. Perhaps the info yet :-)
BG, Andreas
Antwort von przy:
We are not here in the U.S., where it on the coffee mug "caution hot" thing to write about. Here are the judges of a slightly higher level from Intel Lenz.
These are two different things, if you have a camera knows, it is still far from being the burning glass effect known.
If you are in Germany, however, a hot drink caffeine appointed, each judge will assume the buyer knows the course, the drink is hot.
Antwort von Andreas_Kiel:
If you have a 150-euro Camera buy, certainly not. For a device that is
almost in the professional league play ...?
I would because I was not so sure if you are not yet "superior knowledge" may imply. If the good Nordo with the part that deserves its rolls, it will be tight. Wait ...
Antwort von Kiteschlampe.:
With other words, if they do not profit, they should be our prosumer device but prefer not to buy the cheap model to buy?
'm curious how long it takes until I set this on the canon web site see ...
would be a classic own goal.
keep us up to date.
chris
Antwort von Friedhelm 2:
Canon says in the instructions the following: Maintenance / Misc.
Precautions for the handling of your camcorder
Enter the camcorder not s.Viewfinder, LCD Screen, Microphone or cable.
Leave the camcorder s.Orten not subject to high temperatures (eg in an in
Sun parked car) and high humidity are exposed.
Use the camcorder not s.Orten, the magnetic or electric fields
, such as in the vicinity of televisions, plasma televisions, radios or mobile
Radios.
Align the Viewfinder or Lens to strong light sources. Make sure that the
Camcorder is not on a bright object, if it aside. Use the camcorder not s.staubigen or sandy places. If dust or sand in the
Cassette or camcorder to penetrate, this can lead to damage. Dust and sand can
synonymous damage the lens. Insert after using the lens cap on.
The camcorder is not waterproof. If water, mud or salt in the cassette or the
Camcorders penetrate, this can cause damage.
Protect your camcorder before the strong heat of luminous sources.
Decompose the camcorder not. If the camcorder is not functioning properly, contact
please s.qualifiziertes maintenance personnel.
Handle the camcorder with care. Set the camcorder does not apply shock or vibration
, because damage can be caused.
Avoid sudden temperature changes. For rapid movement between the camcorder
hot and cold areas may be condensation on the inner parts are (148).
That says all. Who is not with an electric drill can handle, but you should better use a hand drill.
Antwort von r.p.television:
Canon says in the instructions the following: Maintenance / Misc.
Precautions for the handling of your camcorder
Enter the camcorder not s.Viewfinder, LCD Screen, Microphone or cable.
Leave the camcorder s.Orten not subject to high temperatures (eg in an in
Sun parked car) and high humidity are exposed.
Use the camcorder not s.Orten, the magnetic or electric fields
, such as in the vicinity of televisions, plasma televisions, radios or mobile
Radios.
Align the Viewfinder or Lens to strong light sources. Make sure that the
Camcorder is not on a bright object, if it aside. Use the camcorder not s.staubigen or sandy places. If dust or sand in the
Cassette or camcorder to penetrate, this can lead to damage. Dust and sand can
synonymous damage the lens. Insert after using the lens cap on.
The camcorder is not waterproof. If water, mud or salt in the cassette or the
Camcorders penetrate, this can cause damage.
Protect your camcorder before the strong heat of luminous sources.
Decompose the camcorder not. If the camcorder is not functioning properly, contact
please s.qualifiziertes maintenance personnel.
Handle the camcorder with care. Set the camcorder does not apply shock or vibration
, because damage can be caused.
Avoid sudden temperature changes. For rapid movement between the camcorder
hot and cold areas may be condensation on the inner parts are (148).
That says all. Who is not with an electric drill can handle, but you should better use a hand drill. The precautions are only very s.Schluß, I have not reckoned with. But it is unfortunately so. 146th Page In the synopsis is only maintenance / other
Antwort von Friedhelm 2:
Author: rptelevision Date: Thu 21 Feb, 2008 15:58
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Friedhelm 2 has the following written:
Would give me a camcorder to film and not to buy ADS. There is still synonymous with those camcorder you can FILMS synonymous. Probably the camcorder ABOUT SHARPNESS this fault.
Very constructive post! Mach prefer your schoolwork.
Now there is the question of
who should do his homework. Read first, then think and then write!
Antwort von clipaward:
What you learn from this?
Camera submit: Error Description: BROKEN
Reason: "... do not know"
Antwort von r.p.television:
Author: rptelevision Date: Thu 21 Feb, 2008 15:58
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Friedhelm 2 has the following written:
Would give me a camcorder to film and not to buy ADS. There is still synonymous with those camcorder you can FILMS synonymous. Probably the camcorder ABOUT SHARPNESS this fault.
Very constructive post! Mach prefer your schoolwork.
Now there is the question of who should do his homework. Read first, then think and then write! After Contact is uncool!
I wanted to help here. One can not demand of me that I do read an entire manual. I have so incidentally, are still working ....
Antwort von clipaward:
I would be me not too sure if there is a correlation between the sunlight and the slopes of the Aperture even exists. Firstly, because the slats are not even in the dangerous spotlight and, secondly, they are the swing on the tree but partially risen to. At least in that position they would have in the following recording yet to be disclosed so that a total black screen seems quite impossible.
Would say that you Canon a good reason for rejecting a guarantee even have delivered
Antwort von Gast.:
Would say that you Canon a good reason for rejecting a guarantee even have delivered Canon reads synonymous with the forum. Therefore, it is unwise that such a broad topic to come.
Antwort von Andreas_Kiel:
Would say that you Canon a good reason for rejecting a guarantee even have delivered
Canon reads synonymous with the forum. Therefore, it is unwise that such a broad topic to come. In forums, each post, and here even anonymously. Should read Canon (huhu, Canon! Hello, Sony!), I would like to see how such statements a specific customer
evidence Assign / want to blame.
Court decision to release an IP? Then, with court decision data from the provider behind the IP? Sowas could be a first-semester abschmettern :-)
If the really read, they prefer over all other things to worry about.
BG, Andreas
Antwort von r.p.television:
Would say that you Canon a good reason for rejecting a guarantee even have delivered
Canon reads synonymous with the forum. Therefore, it is unwise that such a broad topic to come. Quite the contrary. It would be the case perhaps been better served, that with his injury / problem to the forum here to apply.
There has been so often before users and helped keep their camera a lengthy and expensive service to be made.
Antwort von Waffenschleifer:
should they prefer over all other things to worry about. ohh, they will shiver in fear faces, white as a wall.
quote] Forums anyone can post, and even anonymous here [/ quote]
but this is nice liberal forum, Mr lawyer.
Almost done for self-performers like yourself.
It gives the discriminating WerbeTVsehern now synonymous finally have a proper heading.
"Your right" moderates of an otherwise not vielzutunhabenkönnenden 3.Semester
Antwort von clipaward:
Sander @ Arms
What are you for one. Where did it because you allowed to outputs.
Antwort von r.p.television:
If there is only me so before?
Pretty much established here under anonymous Hemdskrägen flag in the last few days!
Is the world so hard to you?
Antwort von Gest.:
Andreas_Kiel wrote:
In forums, each post, and here even anonymously. Should read Canon (huhu, Canon! Hello, Sony!), I would like to see how such statements a specific customer evidence Assign / want to blame.
Court decision to release an IP? Then, with court decision data from the provider behind the IP? Sowas could be a first-semester abschmettern :-)
If the really read, they prefer over all other things to worry about.
BG, Andreas
Guest wrote:
When Servisce which came out this short Gegenlichtaufnahe aperture lamella moved. The repair will cost about 400 Euros.
Canon over, although I had many conversations, even though I have no costs in the full warranty period bin. How stupid keeps our Lord Advocate's staff of Canon. Not everyone has read at the difficulty, as recently happened on several occasions. Even a handful of filmmakers in this forum have apparently reading and are not capable of an article to be interpreted correctly.
Antwort von Noctua:
After each take close to the laminae of the lens to the sensor from accidental light protection. If the strips of plastic, which is quite likely and during the Backlighting become very hot, then they could then in the closed position with each other verbacken or bent so that they no longer can glide past each other. In this case, however, the Canon technician of the damage and its cause is clearly identified themselves and to copies of Gewähleitung excluded.
