Frage von Destin:
Hello everybody,
I go now slowly Abi direction and accordingly I have some ideas / wishes for my future. My dream is to
in the film industry my living.
Now I wanted to ask here and study for possible branches, since the whole Berufs/studien- books from the school film and television production are always together.
I originally wanted me to film school in Munich and then apply Directing Study. The more I do it all the more anchdenke
plagues me more fear of failure, since man always sounds like
Reich risk and it is difficult as a director of a foothold. How, then, are
so the prospects when production or DV editing, or
Kammera studied?
(Is there ne exact name Sun for production matters or
video?).
My dream is just in this film industry to act, because I was
Whole Matter fascinated. The ability to tell people what they
to move. If I have someone to help you, or even experience what it has still has opportunities for study in the
Industry I would be very grateful.
Antwort von PowerMac:
(...) The more I do it all the more anchdenke
plagues me more fear of failure, since man always sounds like
Reich risk and it is difficult as a director of a foothold. How, then, are
so the outlook (...) The prospects are shit. The risk is enormous and his livelihood can be unemployed, in addition to many directors-synonymous only earn when you damn well is. Otherwise, stop you working all day with any school / amateur theater groups, but only because of your social Ader;). Or you can film yourself with students acting as Assi make. Great stuff! Directing is almost always freiberfuliche work. No fixed contracts, no guarantees. Only fear and risk. Always draw by the Republic, sometimes here, sometimes there. Little opportunity for relationship, dog, Family Account. There are many good directors condemned the "Hartz 4 refer. That was partly exaggerated and partly absolutely correct. Seriously, it's damn difficult and in all likelihood, you will no more successful director. But maybe you're so gifted, irsinnig well and are standing on a risky Lotter life;)
Antwort von Uwe:
......... How, then, are
so the prospects when production or DV editing, or
Kammera studied?
(Is there ne exact name Sun for production matters or
video ?)...
Show times you here a bit in order to:
http://berufsstart.monster.de/3598_de-DE_p1.asp
Antwort von Pianist:
My dream is just in this film industry to be active, because I'm fascinated by the whole matter. The ability to tell people what it is to move. Insofar as understood - but does it a little more precisely synonymous? Would you rather scenic or journalistic rather make films? If the goal for which the cinema audience to do or what news for TV viewers? And your interest is more in the design, content or technical direction?
At least it is good that you wonder early on, because there is much wrong can be. From my perspective, it is important that early practical experience and contacts, but which nevertheless useful to study.
When I was political science, and today I have lots of jobs where the Client is expressly welcome the fact that the political scientist makes the films. The same is true for Business: Most editors are at the economic issues quickly overwhelmed and need experts who are synonymous with the complex interrelationships viewers can clearly explain. The course gives you the tools to you the whole life long learning in the subjects they reinzuarbeiten and reappraisal of the audience.
You have to decide whether you are rather than as an artist or craftsman look. If you see an artist, is a great danger that with the support does not work. If you see but as a craftsman, the wishes of its customers to implement cinematically, then the chance of much greater economic success.
Matthias
Antwort von JoeDoe:
Hi Destin,
I was s.dem times the same point as you about 18 years ago and therefore I'm happy. Since I usmehrere years s.einer major film school was given, I think quite well in the picture to be.
At your place, I would first read everything, making it available to film professionals and is a few work experience students. Is synonymous to recommend the "Open Day", as it offers any film school, or individual counseling sessions in the courses you are interested. Above all, talk with practitioners from the industry or look in the times of the respective forums for occupations. As you notice quickly, where it hooks.
In short: Inform yourself as fully as possible before you make a decision about!
Among the facts:
Comparison of good career prospects have specialized and 'officially trained' professionals in the technical-creative field, like (Sound-) editor, cinematographer, etc. However, synonymous of which only a minority of "great movies", many have to take what they can get, to jobs at 'Nine Live' or 'GZSZ'. But at least they can usually pay the rent.
-Poor's looks at artistic Jobs from - screenwriters, directors, actors, etc.. Only very few can (only) like this exist.
Film-makers in this country are predominantly or exclusively for television in all its manifestations often dreary act. Most of them are freelancers. The movie is with only 120 - 150 productions per year as a labor almost irrelevant.
-The media industry is a highly volatile business, ie it is subject to fluctuations, and a revolution with uncertain consequences is imminent: The 'death' of the traditional TV's in favor of Internet services.
-The Times, as a film / TV is a medium for newcomers was, are gone. Usually is now a solid job-specific training expected, at least for the 'Heads of Department'.
Conclusion:
-You will likely only a petty, especially as precarious standard of living if you choose "Film-/TV" decide as a career.
-If you despite this sobering prospect for a career 'in the film aspire': Learn first a 'bread', to the bad times you can fall back. Only then probiers with the 'fashion occupations'.
So I would have it-in retrospect-made synonymous.
Despite, or perhaps this: Get your dreams and not take a lot of success!
Antwort von Chezus:
I am synonymous durchgefragt what this issue is concerned. My dream would be synonymous with the movie to work, so movies and what you will see. But it will probably top that I never rauslaufen director or producer in this industry will be. Still, it can be studied with similar reach, if not synonymous in the industry, but this was already written in detail.
What I always find very funny that the Business Film / Video / TV is always a thankless, poorly paid and of coarse see people working there, even if they never want to do something else just because the job is their dream. So it's not as bad as they describe, because otherwise they would have other railways have long been set. However, you can your dream synonymous in this industry reach synonymous wenns mal not the yellow from the egg is vorausstzung course is that it is not simply a spontaneous idea and you just do not want office.
Take everything seriously negative and informed yourself fully.
that could interest you synonymous:
http://forum.slashcam.de/baf-abschluss-vt41201.html?highlight=baf
synonymous quite interesting:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Spielberg
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wortmann
of synonymous and Markus H. Rosenmüller of his studies until 2003 has been completed. You see, then, with a little luck go
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcus_H._Rosenm%C3%BCller
Antwort von Pianist:
What I always find very funny that the Business Film / Video / TV is always a thankless, poorly paid and of coarse see people working there, even if they never want to do something else just because the job is their dream. Since it is just very carefully distinguish between those that somewhere in a production just as employees are, and those who complete their contracts and acquire it. The latter is, in my view, very lucrative, if one is capable of such contracts s.Land to pull itself completely and then to realize. For me the works for more than 12 years of super and I can not complain at all. But I just see myself as a craftsman synonymous and not as an artist, never wanted to make things dramatic.
Matthias
Antwort von Chezus:
Even. And the direction you're gone I will turn synonymous. We have already spoken.
Either you work at times with a film if you are lucky and then again on the look or the way it suggests that you've set, where you can with a lot of self-field which can achieve.
Film would irritate me, but only if I have the Lord of the Rings OFS Making anschauen if all employees + Actors tell what great time they had. Is just an exceptional film and so rosy, it is not always synonymous since the matter has gone to.
Antwort von PowerMac:
Making Of equal reality!
Antwort von Chezus:
At a fantasy film belongs halt synonymous Making of a fantasy ...
Antwort von Markus:
What I always find very funny that the Business Film / Video / TV is always a thankless, poorly paid and of coarse see people working there ... I do not think this job is tougher than another, where someone is self-employed. Since it is logically always synonymous to the existence.
I can Matthias' view basically confirm. If one is able to pull orders s.Land and then synonymous to the satisfaction of the customer (and of course, himself) with a nice team can implement, which is synonymous much fun at work can and creative ideas about also synonymous to pay his living expenses. :-)
Antwort von Maik:
I do not think this job is tougher than another, where someone is self-employed. Since it is logically always synonymous to the existence.
I have previously worked independently synonymous, in a small outdoor shop.
After 5 years of film (= Studies s.Filmhochschule, alongside self -
Documentary Filmmakers area), I now consider again a shop to open.
Between the two types of autonomy are worlds apart.
Nevertheless, let not small.
M.
Antwort von Destin:
Vielen dank erstmal soweit. Your confirms exactly what I've angst.
@ pianist, so I originally wanted more in the scenic area, not the journalists. Achje the world is somehow hard. From the link of Uwe les I know the man with some training and practical experience has good possibilities. Do you if I s.der Film School with a student focus Kammera also a possibility that most, if necessary nenf job resume? I think the Prinzipiel go yet.
What wär das denn für ne if I study in the technical branches would like (ie video / ton average, post-production). At this moment I am still striving students film and television to play. But at the moment I have no idea how the options are later umzuschwenken on one of the other above-mentioned areas.
But I am very grateful to you for all the info on it available to me. I'm going to get it all tomorrow at times restless again through bi still in school stress. I just do not want you all so late reply but since then something impressive erwckt her evrsucht me here to help and I see me not at all. No. I'm going to get all the links you've given me through nochmal in ruhe. So thank you again it means a lot to me really and I know your help is greatly appreciated.
Antwort von derpianoman:
... I do not think this job is tougher than another, where someone is self-employed. Since it is logically always synonymous to the existence ... Hello!
Jau! I prefer the self with the past 11 years now with Music
through, while my former band colleagues instrument sale,
Physicians have become, or just the children, because the woman who
Career makes.
You can / should / should not advise other people!
In my opinion, the person must be "crazy", that NOTHING else
"normal" is. And you must be a very positive attitude
and have friendly to everyone you can.
Klausi
PS I knew immediately why I was sympathetic to Mark's .-)
Antwort von Markus:
Between the two types of autonomy are worlds apart. Okay, on closer inspection I lit a. It is quite a difference whether you (more or less) have fixed working hours and incidentally perhaps all paperwork can or whether you're constantly on the move and may only stay in hotels.
I really like the mix, what with the studio one and the productions of several other very good fit. :-)
In my opinion, the person must be "crazy", that NOTHING else, "normal" is. Since you have not entirely wrong. I was now 10 years working as an employee, but the barriers were too close and the discussions because of any powers irritated me enormously.
I have a difficult contracting rather than an equally superior. ;-)
Antwort von Pianist:
I really like the mix, what with the studio one and the productions of several other very good fit. That is why it is s.besten when everything yourself and then can only complete their own films makes, where a few days to rotate on and is then again a few days and textet cuts, it is beautifully balanced and you have enough leisure time. In addition, we will always do well and is not forced to do even more to have to fill some existing staff.
Matthias
Antwort von Markus:
... to fill some existing staff. Are you all alone or do you work synonymous with freedom of staff? - I do s.liebsten latter. With a nice and humorous team makes a 20-hour day or right mood. ;-)
Antwort von Pianist:
... to fill some existing staff.
Are you all alone or do you work synonymous with freedom of staff? - I do s.liebsten latter. With a nice and humorous team makes a 20-hour day or right mood. ;-) I prefer the orders s.Land, turn themselves in half of Europe, cut themselves, do the graphics themselves, texts themselves, speak mostly of course, writing bills, doing the bookkeeping, the annual accounts and the tax returns. Only things like 3D animation, DVD cover printing, and DVD DVD-Encoding/Authoring-pressed to make external suppliers, with whom I have been cooperating for many years.
Usually I turn synonymous alone, usually I need no assistant, except for roadside surveys (even rotate and hold Microphone is crap, people would always look into the camera). The more people I would include, the more I have to coordinate these people and of course, synonymous pay, which means more stress, more uncertainty and less profit. Thus, virtually no time for any instructions on it and I have not s.irgendwelchen unproductive meetings to participate. My clients are synonymous to fully calibrated to myself as a single point of contact and have no other faces constantly appear.
Free camera teams, I only in very exceptional cases.
Matthias
Antwort von Chezus:
Then you will most probably turn causes the synonymous alone to handle.
I think that Markus' area simply more men to the camera body must be. (I'm sorry that I anticipate it).
I can imagine any event that if I will soon (hopefully) get orders to staff am, because I do not at the same time 3 cameras at a concert can operate and move along the tapes.
Some jobs are unlikely to achieve alone
Antwort von Markus:
I think that Markus' area simply more men to the camera body must be. That is correct. For live productions or broadcasts with multiple cameras, the team is 4-6 people very quickly. It is true to synonymous, so that the financial risk increases, but if I only would see the risk, I would probably not independent. ;-)
... I have not s.irgendwelchen participate in unproductive meetings. Whether a meeting unproductive (and thus unnecessarily time) or not, can (and should) itself.
(I'm sorry that I anticipate it). Hey, I even have a press officer! * freu * ;-)
Antwort von Pianist:
Then you will most probably turn causes the synonymous alone to handle. Yes, of course. I just do things to fit my way of working. The nice thing is that it is the end product is not considered that there is only one of human design, because yes I still have enough time for the lighting setup or take. Productions with multiple cameras can make others happy, but there are enough competitors, something which again fits better into the concept.
Matthias
Antwort von Markus:
It does not matter how many people are involved s.einer production. What counts are the "safe realizability" and the result.
Antwort von Chezus:
I will write you an invoice for my work done as soon as I press my tax number hab ;-)
I have my girlfriend as fixed times to capture the raw material and sort out, because they had freely and I was at work. Was a Christmas gift for my parents, which I otherwise would have done no more.
If you have contracts, the "deadline" will not exceed one is synonymous times but glad when someone else takes over the work time and really simple. The cut, I would always make themselves.
But you know better, and finally you have the experience
Antwort von Pianist:
I have my girlfriend as fixed times to capture the raw material and sort out, because they had freely and I was at work. Was a Christmas gift for my parents, which I otherwise would have done no more.
If you have contracts, the "deadline" will not exceed one is synonymous times but glad when someone else takes over the work time and really simple. The cut, I would always make themselves.
But you know better, and finally you have the experience Let us consider this: In a dramatic production there are long lists with the copier, then can then cut eindigitalisieren assistant. But who should be in my case, know what I scenes for the movie need? Before someone says I did, or even make the list, I have even done a long time. I finally know exactly where the recording is on what tape. Often I have from my archives for a film cassette 30 or 50 years from ten s.Wickel and as needed every 10 to 30 seconds of it, who should be there except what I found?
Matthias
Antwort von Chezus:
Which is quite clear. Since kommts just back on the job.
Currently I have a lot of material that I have a tape in a 2 minute clip will be cut. What I have 8-10 hours of material need are 3 different images: the tape even when performing the visuals in the background play, whose dancers (sounds silly, it must be synonymous not know what this is for), the shot and possibly private recordings or recordings which incidentally play.
This is more or less sorted. Each scene in its own Schittfenster. If I have a specific recording needs, look I nurnoch in the right window, and such cutting me out of the material sorted out the right.
Is very time consuming and need not necessarily be carried out of me.
In another project can be once again completely different.
Antwort von PowerMac:
You is already clear that this discussion about self-video production, with little of the original question has to do? This would be better in the thread of its own Chezus company match, when he explicitly asked after Mark had. It was here to Directing and production for television and film.
Antwort von Chezus:
Hm, true. And the thread starter here synonymous a few details on his subsequent career has been so far in this direction he wants to go.
He need not necessarily have to Film and Television ..
Ahem, Chezus not Chezeus. One God, I am STILL not with flash and turn on only when I stress I did ;-)
Antwort von Maik:
Between the two types of autonomy are worlds apart.
Okay, on closer inspection I lit a. It is quite a difference whether you (more or less) have fixed working hours and incidentally perhaps all paperwork can or whether you're constantly on the move and may only stay in hotels.
Nee,
there is a difference, every day if you only need to catch up the door
and a little bit nice to have customers for evening and night is in the Money
Checkout,
or
You running with a theme of editorial to editorial, in recherchierst
Year by the 15 documentary subjects, offering to write exposés, rich applications
a pitch-cut films and comes as an answer: 'Sorry, the program for
2007 and 2008 is already ... '
And you can get in the circle with colleagues:
the stands once again just before the end
if it were not for a project soon to make this production (which so far has been good in the business) to
has just a teaching ergattert to make ends meet,
the other, the woman barely managed to jump, so you can
they at least have to pay the rent ...
And this is not for people to completely abstruse projects would be made or unknown.
The one makes a film (with its own funds), which has already gone to some festivals is
Prices and won, not even the regional program to buy him the thing
s.and he has the DVD for sale 15.99,
The films at international festivals have collected dozens Prices
here nowhere to run, or divisional cinema half a week ...
etcetcetc.
I think in the documentary field, except for a handful of really good people
(or so as a word man, which is not synonymous with shame is s.die IMAGE
for sale for example)
it looks very very bleak.
Without bread-and-butter job is very difficult.
We can actually at the moment only hope that times change again,
but the last 5 years have been a steady decline.
Who, for example, the film has in mind:
Lower Saxony's film office is no longer
Instead, Northern Media Fundraising GmbH (Nomen est omen),
film funding Hamburg: reduced by 2 million Eur
film funding Schleswig-Holstein: to be merged with Hamburg,
Previously it was possible one or two projects somewhere accommodate
and so that at least half his livelihood, today, if you're lucky
has a hit in the year with increased costs.
As I said, all through my glasses as a documentary filmmaker.
From the feature Group I hear generally synonymous, but nothing else.
M.
Antwort von Destin:
Ok I can see already that it would be wrong not previously ne training or similar to make. What I liked but synonymous in the field would make. What struck me until now is very interesting for Cutter (film and video editor), because someone has ne idea how because the job prospects are, my but those people are constantly used for television or film, or?
Then würd mich mal intressieren whatever profession I so Special effects or visual effects to fall. So, for example, the technical implementation of green-/bluescreensachen or possibly s.pc Special effects such as 3d design or because there are so what?
Antwort von Chezus:
How it works with each individual looks like so you can find out by you for an internship at various production companies apply.
Selber cut you will not, but you see how it works.
Depending on how you can engage in that because you run later, who knows. I would have as an internship at Tresor TV can do, for example, pop stars and Germanys next Topmodel have produced and the new season just produce GNT.
Habs then but not made. (Hab Money used)
The "supervisor" of the editors responsible for all has been synonymous to me but rather discouraged in the area. "... for the time you invest, it is simply too little money ..." , And again "... but would never want to do something else because I love my job ..."
In the field study, I would at times directly inform the universities. A few of my friends go to the University of Applied Sciences in Salzburg. Nobody knew quite what he ultimately wanted to make. Now, the one in the direction of motion graphics, and the other deals with Blue / Green Screen, the other increasing with Camera, with the visuals, media, design, etc, etc.
Everyone has a few courses through and is in an area stuck.
Antwort von Markus:
Welch contrasting views and experiences.
While here I read again and again that it is in the media section is not sooo great to be earning his money, but in my environment, I know no one personally, the synonymous looks so dramatic. Some are even happy times when a "wave of the project" is over and they return one days you can sleep.
Probably depends on the field from ...
Antwort von Nat:
I have this conversation just found in Google, because I also wanted to look like the professional opportunities for directors and camera woman look.
Director was very clear to me that it is hard to allow his daily bread to earn.
Now I want to but first ask:
When I would go s.eine University and camerawoman study, I could with the conclusion then synonymous act as a photographer (the case law that I have nothing in the camera industry found?)
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Antwort von PowerMac:
You can synonymous with training for a sausage Fachverkäuferin to act as photographer.
