Frage von Flokey:
Hello dear people!
I've been to me the ass wundgesucht in the forum and have not have been productive, so I probably bite the bullet and add some pretty stupid beginners questions ...
I need one! Cheap! Digital video camera for video art, did not squander murderous much gravel and so I do not like my entire savings for a high end camera, I need may not exist.
The following should have the thing: reduce image noise as possible when the scenes are well lit only partially (ie protagonist is illuminated with nem spot, everything around it is black.
Good videos Resolutiondes possible without artifacts caused by lousy Kompremierung.
Hard contrasts and acceptable colors. (nt is in black & white conversion)
Sound is absolutely not care, as it is overdubbed, and anyway I do not have to turn any dramas with Matt Daemon in the leading role. Microphone port should already be present in the event that I am the irrsinn Packt and I want to turn something special ...
The video is processed, so can appear synonymous small deficiencies in the Picture.
Synonymous should be suitable for blue / green box Gschichten to produce. Longest possible recording times are not a must, but bad if it were not.
Gibts überhaupt so ne Camera? but insufficient even closer to the picture than the sound.
I have so far only with super8 fudged (yes), the celluloid material, but that's a sch ... expensive business, because 3 minutes cost 20 ¬, plus development time and wear ... uiui.
Any tips? More than 400 ¬ I will not spend, otherwise I gnaw a few months s.Hungertuch. and bite me in the ass when I get the camera after 5 months never need.
Will the real cheap Hitachi DVD Cam what? (Taste to 309 ¬)
Greetings Florian Rohrweck
Antwort von PowerMac:
Hello dear people!
I've been to me the ass wundgesucht in the forum and have not have been productive, so I probably bite the bullet and add some pretty stupid beginners questions ...
I need one! Cheap! Digital video camera for video art, did not squander murderous much gravel and so I do not like my entire savings for a high end camera, I need may not exist.
The following should have the thing: reduce image noise as possible when the scenes are well lit only partially (ie protagonist is illuminated with nem spot, everything around it is black.
Good videos Resolutiondes possible without artifacts caused by lousy Kompremierung.
Hard contrasts and acceptable colors. (nt is in black & white conversion)
Sound is absolutely not care, as it is overdubbed, and anyway I do not have to turn any dramas with Matt Daemon in the leading role. Microphone port should already be present in the event that I am the irrsinn Packt and I want to turn something special ...
The video is processed, so can appear synonymous small deficiencies in the Picture.
Synonymous should be suitable for blue / green box Gschichten to produce. Longest possible recording times are not a must, but bad if it were not.
Gibts überhaupt so ne Camera? but insufficient even closer to the picture than the sound.
I have so far only with super8 fudged (yes), the celluloid material, but that's a sch ... expensive business, because 3 minutes cost 20 ¬, plus development time and wear ... uiui.
Any tips? More than 400 ¬ I will not spend, otherwise I gnaw a few months s.Hungertuch. and bite me in the ass when I get the camera after 5 months never need.
Will the real cheap Hitachi DVD Cam what? (Taste to 309 ¬)
Greetings Florian Rohrweck I would reconsider my claim again and adjust s.The reality. Noiseless, cope with lousy lighting (spot) and green screen (ie, high sharpness) and a maximum of 400 euro?
Antwort von StefanS:
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The video is processed ...
Synonymous should be suitable for blue / green box Gschichten produce to ...
... Hitachi DVD Cam ...
DVD Cam and post-close, although not necessarily better, but may still be about as happy as dogs and cats.
Would otherwise hear views on PowerMac.
... And above all, please read once about a hundred threads from the last few months on "CANcorder to buy ... ¬" and DVD camcorder vs. MiniDV
Greeting
Stefan
Antwort von camworks:
... And forget the word "art" in the suchanfrage.
The camcorder is absolutely no preference whether it art or a dog pile records in poor lighting. either it roars or not.
Antwort von Flokey:
Well, I know, the whole is a bit hairy ... The illumination is so sharp for the protagonist, the filmed, but all that is obscure should be noisy in the selfsame recording is not in any way, say, black is black and will not be lightened somewhat frantically ... Under good picture quality, I understand only appear to 640x480 in a reasonable frame rate with good sharp detail mieselsichtigen no artifacts.
I do not want a camera that can spell at 0 lux, and everything is as bright as day.
It should be not only of s.Picture rumpfuschen that I'd really had enough. So to speak, "s.it is" Recording
Zoom not care, I do not need digital zoom, anyway ...
a little better than VHS and I'd be quite satisfied ...
Is hard to explain ...
Lens should be OK and the CCD chip synonymous. The image must be acceptable only, everything else is no preference. No schnickschnack or other
Antwort von Flokey:
... And above all, please read once about a hundred threads from the last few months on "CANcorder to buy ... ¬" and DVD camcorder vs. MiniDV
Greeting
Stefan Okido, I'll try.
Btw. Art and dog poop is not synonymous close;)
Antwort von StefanS:
a little better than VHS and I'd be quite satisfied ...
Is hard to explain ...
This is now sold every MiniDV Camera, and not just a little
Greeting
Stefan
Antwort von camworks:
And do not rush the "bite, however. :-)
Antwort von Flokey:
a little better than VHS and I'd be quite satisfied ...
Is hard to explain ...
This is now sold every MiniDV Camera, and not just a little
Greeting
Stefan I'm ne Video Technical Vollflasche, because until now I only have worked with real footage, thanks for the hint:) (Seriously)
@ CAMWorks
Oh merde ... Well, I hate that Digi-noise .. Analog Black is just black ... : (
Antwort von beiti:
The illumination is so sharp for the protagonist, the filmed, but all that is obscure should be noisy in the selfsame recording is not in any way, say, black is black and will not be lightened somewhat frantically ... That is absolutely no question of individual camcorder, but the skills of the cameraman. :) If you work with a vollmanuell-use camera, you have this noise problem anyway, it happens only with automatic cameras that activate when "need" a rauschträchtige reinforcement. Each automatic exposure will pull up in such a situation, the illuminated side reinforcement, which not only the black of a noisy gray, but the protagonist would be synonymous to the overexposed ghost.
Simplest solution, synonymous with cheap camcorders: On the protagonists zoom (or a short time with the camera go into more detail ran) and then set the exposure. Only then create the image. The effect of that exposure and gain are cranked only so far as necessary for the protagonists. The black is still black.
Well, I hate that Digi-noise .. Analog Black is just black ... : ( Digital fortiori, if one does not "vollflaschenmäßigen" beginner's mistake. :)
Antwort von Wiro:
... The illumination is so sharp for the protagonist, the filmed, but all that is obscure in the selfsame recording should not be noisy in some way Hello,
because you might want the old "stunt Exposure Apply:
The stars of the illuminated face size zoom, can take auto Aperture, Aperture and freeze zurückzoomen on desired image. Then your background is so recorded, as he is.
Just for a tip
Gruss Wiro
Antwort von Wiro:
Ooops, there's me beiti now anticipated.
Well, double stitched so well known, holds better.
;-)
Gruss Wiro
Antwort von camworks:
you have your video at a maximum of 5 Dazzle wide exposure at film you have 11!
cheap cameras pull the gain was high in good light because they would otherwise be too dark. Perhaps we can turn everything to manual, if the cam that allows for (what they cost in the area usually does not), but when the camera is then in poor lighting still roars, then you had jet.
as you want someone who ne noise / free camera, in good conscience could put a friend in the minidv preisseqment, I really do not understand.
The only honest answer to his question would be: for the money you can forget.
The field of application would be placed a the VX2000 or the like. Unfortunately, the only costs a multiple of the targeted amount.
Antwort von beiti:
Well, double stitched so well known, holds better. But is reassuring to see that I'm not the only one who uses this trick. ;)
It's so funnily enough at the cheaper camcorders, that they constantly have to think up tricks on how to outsmart the automatic. As a Super-8 film-makers must rethink there. For Super 8 a luxury auto in a few expensive devices. For video, the default automatic, and manual functions, there are only in expensive equipment.
Antwort von Flokey:
Aaaaah, Okido ... na if you can operate the cameras full manual is eaten sache eh. Gibts nen vollmanuellen at extra cost?
In the middle price sector would have to almost be too .. theoretically.
Antwort von beiti:
as you want someone who ne noise / free camera, in good conscience could put a friend in the minidv preisseqment, I really do not understand.
The only honest answer to his question would be: for the money you can forget. No, it does not. If the spot is illuminated with which the protagonist, bright enough, the camera does not have to be particularly low noise or bright. It then comes only important to expose correctly and prevent reinforcements.
Antwort von beiti:
In the middle price sector would have to almost be too .. theoretically. Yes, but the median price range starts (new) for $ 2,000. If you are looking for a cheap used, where everything is (ie the gain synonymous) manual adjustable, you should seek for a Canon XM1.
But as I said: With the above trick will be synonymous with cheaper camcorders to good results. Even with my old Video8-camera so I was able to film scenes that were too tired half black.
Antwort von camworks:
as you want someone who ne noise / free camera, in good conscience could put a friend in the minidv preisseqment, I really do not understand.
The only honest answer to his question would be: for the money you can forget. No, it does not. If the spot is illuminated with which the protagonist, bright enough, the camera does not have to be particularly low noise or bright. It then comes only important to expose correctly and prevent reinforcements. yes, if it is well lit.
as I have understood that it is "only partially well lit." also be of "good resolution" is employed. "hard contrasts" and suitable for "blue / greenbox".
And for this ne (presumably 1chip) minidv in the 400 euro range? ... So nee.
Antwort von Flokey:
Wow ... 2000 ¬ for the medium price segment is fierce, since one gets HDV equipment already ...
hmm, I do not again be the main thing is annoying green and blue when I again purchase scrap .. mustek of distance as long as I think likely glattlaufen everything.
then only remains selective and contrast is a theme ... I must have time to ner Page Googlen the video stills cameras on each stock, I'm thinking would be to assess the quality s.besten.
Antwort von Axel:
... And for this ne (presumably 1chip) minidv in the 400 euro range? ... So nee. What should you say? It is made with increased post-production costs for Bluebox (spill-eradication) and some modest results, but still. In Einchippern-contrast images but are mostly useless. Not because it is too little contrast, but too little nuances with transitions. Is synonymous for Dreichipper course, but to a lesser extent.
If indeed it must be, has Wiro Law: At the illuminated face (above) set the exposure, can drown the area in black. A manual aperture must be so precise as possible.
Antwort von beiti:
Okay, that with Blue-/Greenbox I have read over. If you want to do it seriously (that is clean and without color fringes), it would drive the effort to new heights, then would be a real VX2100 (approx. 2800 Euro) bottom rail.
But when it comes to an "artistic" Blue Box, you can make cuts. As long as there is only about the effect of color fringes, etc. And it does not matter, you can make more synonymous with an S-VHS Bluebox. Is not a Hollywood movie, and Mätt demon is not going to play, yes. ;)
Antwort von Flokey:
yes, if it is well lit.
as I have understood that it is "only partially well lit." also be of "good resolution" is employed. "hard contrasts" and suitable for "blue / greenbox".
And for this ne (presumably 1chip) minidv in the 400 euro range? ... So nee. The lighting is always perfect in every case ... I come from the photography and the light there must always be true. As long as the selective at the optimum illumination is ok, the other will be no problem (I think)
I do not want that something is brightened, I deficient illuminate ... That everything has its sense and purpose.
I can do anything with editing software Pushen, but lousy blur and contrast have a real problem.
Antwort von beiti:
Wow ... 2000 ¬ for the medium price segment is fierce, since one gets HDV equipment already ... hmm, I do not again be the main thing is annoying green and blue when I again purchase scrap .. HDV products, but because of the compression is not so good for Bluebox suitable as 3-chip DV device. Does everything have multiple pages. In many other score today, I would rather recommend to HDV, but if you want to do serious color keying (Blue Box / Green Box), DV is even better.
Very well. Since you already have the purse put up next, can you used in addition to the previously mentioned Canon XM1 (perhaps a good compromise) would be synonymous watch the XM2 which there is already a piece of below $ 2,000.
Antwort von Flokey:
Hmm I'll give you an example of mal ne scene:
zum Bild To see ne of my photography from ... That's about the video should it look after the processing (of course with smear)
ps: I know that I'll never be so quali got done ", but of the kontrastet and sharpen it should at least remotely close to it look somewhat like this:)
Antwort von beiti:
You must now give you even if you with dimly lit men's bodies are satisfied before a black background (that you get for 400 euros out), or if you have this with the Bluebox seriously (because then it starts at 2,000 euros).
Antwort von Flokey:
You must now give you even if you with dimly lit men's bodies are satisfied before a black background (that you get for 400 euros out), or if you have this with the Bluebox seriously (because then it starts at 2,000 euros). lol naja male bodies do not have to be is just a self-portrait, what else I did not have at the moment:)
Hmm blue / greenbox is not a must, for I can not filter for Premiere nen programming that settles the impurities
Antwort von Wiro:
... and for ne (presumably 1chip) minidv in the 400 euro range? ... also nee Flokey, you should stay as sober and realistic.
A 400 Euro Cam is good for Grandma's birthday and for Sunday strolls in the park suitable. "Art" recordings, such as your example picture you get is not synonymous with a baked Agfa-clack.
So blue eyes and look reality in the eye!
Gruss Wiro
Antwort von Flokey:
... and for ne (presumably 1chip) minidv in the 400 euro range? ... also nee
Flokey, you should stay as sober and realistic.
A 400 Euro Cam is good for Grandma's birthday and for Sunday strolls in the park suitable. "Art" recordings, such as your example picture you get is not synonymous with a baked Agfa-clack.
So blue eyes and look reality in the eye!
Gruss Wiro Good, then I probably better stay with analog.
Ahm Stillimage where we went I really only about the lighting, whether sufficient for Digital.
Ps: The Self certainly does not fall under Art oO
Antwort von beiti:
@ Flokey:
Can you perhaps somewhere to borrow a "cheap" Camera? Then you could try the above trick ud would have an idea of what quality is possible.
Otherwise I'll stay with the Recommendation, a used to bid for XM1, with a little luck, you lie, below $ 1000 and have not the latest, but a solid camera in every respect with - most importantly - fully switchable gain.
Antwort von Flokey:
Thx beiti Here's looking at times whether I get a hold of ... would not be bad if I could test the camera properties themselves.
Antwort von camworks:
s.deiner imagine I would advise you, you erstmal a friend of one of these very favorable loan-minidv cams and to make a few experiments with it. All s.rechner and then watch you'll see that even with gain-3dB some camera still roars. is no wonder so synonymous with the price.
in any case would have to borrow before selling healthy for the wallet.
edit: oh, too late. what happens when in between the phone rings ...
Antwort von Wiro:
... when we went Stillimage I do not really just about the lighting, whether sufficient for digital Well, assuming the thickness ranges from - the right camcorder.
Digital video response even more sensitive to light than analog, but has a limited dynamic range compared to analog - the tracing of the grays will thus be lower.
This must be known and taken into account when making comparisons test. But you know as an art photographer, of course, itself Just wanted to point out again ;-)
Gruss Wiro
PS: Are we talking here of real video, so a more or less violent movement of the characters on a black stage? Or Take a photo of a Digi-for photos? Because now I'm not so sure.
Antwort von Flokey:
Thanks guys, you helped me a lot:) see you soon hopefully!
Antwort von PowerMac:
I would reconsider my claim again and adjust s.The reality. Noiseless, cope with lousy lighting (spot) and green screen (ie, high sharpness) and a maximum of 400 euro? I have now read through the thread completely. I stick to it. That's impossible. And look reality in the face Investing and Money.
