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CineForm Neo Scene: lighter with AVCHD and HDV work of thomas - 27 Feb 2009 11:29:00
Neo Scene changes are difficult to edit (because hochkomprimierten) Videos of AVCHD / HDV camcorder synonymous and the H.264 QuickTime videos Canon 5D Mark II in their own CineForm intermediate codec in order, much less of the processor load (especially in comparison to compressed in the AVCHD H.264 - Video). Among the resulting Macs appears Videofile, which can be easily edited, then as in the container formats, QuickTime (mov) or Windows AVI then. Programs such as Apple Final Cut Pro, Motion, iMovie, Adobe Premiere, Adobe After Effects, Sony Vegas or Movie Studio can edit this format. Alternatively, the source material synonymous after 24p or 25p CineForm (including deinterlacing) and then converted natively in this framerate edited.

Neo Scene can be made by batch processing gecapturten videos all in one fell swoop into CineForm AVIs or MOVs convert. It is the color depth of 8 to 10 bits and the extended Chromaanteil of 4:2:0 according to 4:2:2 interpolation - both good for tasks such as color correction and keying in post production. The Mac version allows synonymous export to ProRes. Neo Scene (Mac / Windows) is CineForm
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Antwort von 02VideoFaBI:

Is there somewhere AVCHD files in the current Test Sony, Canon and Panasonic cams to test this software? And generally synonymous for the test section would be quite helpful. I now have half the internet, but only the Canon HG10 files found ... (I can not really use)



Antwort von beiti:

Here you should see some film snippets of various cams rauspicken can:
http://www.fxsupport.de/blog/aktuell.html



Antwort von RickyMartini:

"02VideoFaBI" wrote: Is there somewhere AVCHD files in the current Test Sony, Canon and Panasonic cams to test this software? And generally synonymous for the test section would be quite helpful. I now have half the internet, but only the Canon HG10 files found ... (I can not really use)
Do you mean the 2009er models?

Here are clips of the HF100:
http://www.fxsupport.de/blog/07_08.html



Antwort von 02VideoFaBI:

Thank you!



Antwort von WoWu:

Quote: It is the color depth of 8 to 10 bits and the extended Chromaanteil of 4:2:0 according to 4:2:2 interpolation - both good for tasks such as color correction and keying in post production.
Popular misconception.



Antwort von 02VideoFaBI:

Again because of the AVCHD Test Clips:
Are the www.fxsupport.de to the original files? The file is called hf100.mts.mpg is now the original mts files just renamed, or have already converted to mpg?



Antwort von Sebera:

They are the original files - but was the ending. Mpg added.
When I worked the conversion until the ending when I simply deleted (on hf100.mts).

My opinion after Erts Test - works quite well.
Sunday works AVCHD editing on my laptop with AMD Turion 1.6 GHz and 2 GB of RAM in 3rd CS
Überleg I almost ne HF100anzuschaffen and my Panasonic nvgs of moth in the box to send. $ 129 is always better than a quad s.zu create.

Pity that in my weak laptop for the time needed for capturing DV and convert AVCHD is probably of the Wage hällt.



Antwort von 02VideoFaBI:

"Sebera" wrote: My opinion after Erts Test - works quite well.
Sunday works AVCHD editing on my laptop with AMD Turion 1.6 GHz and 2 GB of RAM in 3rd CS
Überleg I almost ne HF100anzuschaffen and my Panasonic nvgs of moth in the box to send. $ 129 is always better than a quad s.zu create.

Pity that in my weak laptop for the time needed for capturing DV and convert AVCHD is probably of the Wage hällt.

I have the program now synonymous with some m2ts files test the Sony SR11 tested and have to say: I'm enteuscht and your test result may not be absolutely confirmed.

My PC Data:
Win XP Pro SP3
Intel Pentium D950 3.4GHz (2 cores)
3.5 GB RAM

First, the sound will not work after I use the AC3 codec with 5 provides alternate replaced had finally succeeded. However, the 5.1 stereo sound together, but what I can handle even synonymous, since I anyway with an external stereo mic to record ...

Then the test with Adobe Premiere Pro CS4:
The converted files are about 10 times as great as the original, but it was actually not such a big problem ...
Premiere could not even have a video track with the converted. Avi files (not just one effect to use). The picture shakes in seconds is even better than with the original files, but far from redundant.

How could you with your 1.6 GHz laptop "good" cut?
Maybe I try it with the CS3, but that should not change ..

What is it? I have a different idea of "liquid" interface, or is not anything for me?






Antwort von RickyMartini:

If you think a quad would rausgeworfenes Money, you're not really HD material processed! ;)

I know my 3GHz Quad highly appreciate (not only) when it comes to rendering it!

A recent PC is virtually mandatory for HD - you do not wish to wait half a day with the result spend. During the rendering is an old box then synonymous for any other work not to use - remember that please!



Antwort von 02VideoFaBI:

"RickyMartini" wrote: If you think a quad would rausgeworfenes Money, you're not really HD material processed! ;)

I know my 3GHz Quad highly appreciate (not only) when it comes to rendering it!

A recent PC is virtually mandatory for HD - you do not wish to wait half a day with the result spend. During the rendering is an old box then synonymous for any other work not to use - remember that please!
Unfortunately, not everyone is a quad-core so just buy one, which is why this software is really quite clever ...
Synonymous course I would prefer a quick-cut system, but unfortunately that does not, so please drop my question above, you can say something about that?



Antwort von 02VideoFaBI:

What calls for more power?
s.Das edit the converted AVCHD material after cineform.avi
b. The editing of HDV with NeoScene gecapturten
c. The original HDV

That would in fact buy my influence:
If HDV even be harder to edit than the CineForm material, I can not be such a growth camcorder!
Danke schon mal in advance for your info.



Antwort von WeiZen:

With Edius / Neo (neo is the somewhat neutered version of Edius)
is the editing of HDV with your PC.
True unnecessary if you are in the CanopusHQ codec umwandelst.
Or for the CS4 plug AspectHD earn.



Antwort von 02VideoFaBI:

Thanks for the info! Edius Unfortunately, I can absolutely not stand for this program is missing me the way through keyframes (synonymous in securities or text) to use ...
The AspectHD plugin, I will watch with once, thank you!

But otherwise, how would you need the performance the following order methods:

1. HDV directly in CS4
2. HDV with AspectHD Plugin
3. Converted AVCHD with NeoScene after avi
4. With neoscene Recorded HDV

Simply arrange, I would have thought:
4. 3. 2. 1.
or?



Antwort von 02VideoFaBI:

I'm there again, as always with a problem, but synonymous with an interesting test result:
After the preview in Premiere CS4 was pretty choppy, I have Sony Vegas Pro 8 tested (Demo).

Result:
Liquid reproducing the converted videos. And with a CPU utilization of Barely 60% and a second preview on another monitor, and in full resolution (!). Class. If only Adobe s.ruckeligen Video blame.

Where Sogut. But unfortunately not recognize Sony Sound hurry in the file. Why is that?
and why is it that Sonyeine soo much better performance keep?

Sony: Play Liquid 2Vorschaumonitor + + only 60% utilization
Adobe: + extremely jerky playback continuously fluctuating load between 100% and 50% + no more previews

One of the problems I managed to either a faster or sound CS4 in Vegas ...

THANK YOU IN ADVANCE!



Antwort von WeiZen:

"02VideoFaBI" wrote: Dbei this program is missing me the way through keyframes (synonymous in securities or text) to use ...
Based on which version of your findings?



Antwort von Marco:

Quote: What calls for more power?
s.Das edit the converted AVCHD material after cineform.avi
b. The editing of HDV with NeoScene gecapturten
c. The original HDV

I say it times vice versa. The processing of the Cineform after changing material needs s.wenigsten CPU performance, but the fastest data (ie synonymous fast hard drive), due to the significantly higher data rate.

"But unfortunately recognizes Sony Sound No hurry in the file. Why is that?"

Which file are you speaking now of the original or the Cineform.avi? However, Vegas has really no problems with the sound of AVCHD, HDV or Cineform.avi.

Marco



Antwort von 02VideoFaBI:

Quote: Based on which version of your findings?
In version 4.5 with the 45 minutes I have a film project and have clearly s.die limits of the program pushed me.
But that is not soo important ...

Quote: Which file are you speaking now of the original or the Cineform.avi? However, Vegas has really no problems with the sound of AVCHD, HDV or Cineform.avi.

I speak of the Cineform.avi, ie of the converted file. The original m2ts AVCHD in Sony Vegas normal sound. Perhaps it s.der DEMO?






Antwort von Marco:

"Perhaps it s.der DEMO?"

The Vegas-functional demo is not restricted.

Do you hear no sound or when pulling the Cineform AVI into the timeline until no soundtrack packed?

What will the bottom of the Media Pool window appears when you have such a file in the same window, select?

Marco



Antwort von 02VideoFaBI:

Quote: The Vegas-functional demo is not restricted.
Yet. Some pro-codecs are only in the full version is available, I had the same problem with MPEG2 files, which are at a friend on the full version ran flawlessly.

For the problem itself:
Sony Vegas Pro 8 does not recognize any audio track in the file. When you insert into the timeline is no audio track exists in the media information is indicative of the audio that none exists.

I do still on the demo ...
According Because CineForm supports the following:
" Windows:
- Adobe: Premiere Elements or Premiere Pro (CS2 and CS3, CS4 in Feb.09)
- Sony: Vegas or Movie Studio



Antwort von Marco:

Believe it or not. The demo version of Vegas Pro 8 is definitely not functionally limited. If between two installations of Vegas Pro 8 different behavior when using of codecs occurs, then the other reasons.

Marco
www.vegasforum.de



Antwort von frm:

How should the program from 8bit 4:2:0 10 bit 4:2:2 do? Has anyone of you tested?
Someone knows if the plugin synonymous with SonyEx1 / Ex3 data works and the workflow in Premiere and AE is better?



Antwort von weitwinkel:

actually a good possibility to transfer data between pc and mac exchange
but I fear the mov data on the pc does not recognize
(as damlas for miro DC20) ...
gruß cj

ps. @ 02VideoFaBI: what do you need the cut because everything for effects?
with the Edius and Canopus HQ codec is the hd-cut as redundant as
former sd-pal ....