Frage von BeeZee:
Hello.
I want to cut my computer upgraded and would like a recommendation for a powerful and yet affordable system. Currently I would therefore
CPU, MoBoard, graphics card and RAM. I have a relatively hard current, which I would like to continue. I have presented, in the direction of Core 2 Duo to go, given the dozens of different varieties, I would rather help appreciate.
My scope is focused mainly on Adobe Premiere Pro2, AE 7 and Photoshop CS. Incidentally, I still synonymous with Sequencer software (Cubase4), which is rather in the field of audio devours resources.
Thanks for your tips!
BeeZee
Antwort von steveb:
Hi ... working with similar software. Use synonymous Cubase and various editing programs. Bin of a P4 2.6 GHz on a Core2Duo 6300 Ascended. The result was the hammer. Output growth erhbelich to partially incredible (especially the number of VST instances). What did you think now a CPU? price performance during the 6300 really outstanding.
I have a ASrockboard purchased (because even AGP slot for Parhelia was needed) and as I said the 6300 with a 15 euro cooler.
Has cost 235 Euro. However, the Board was a compromise solution (Connections are not extensive) Bios is synonymous not very luxurious. But it runs really stable and really fast.
Otherwise I would have probably bought a ASUS board. The graphics card
I can only guess DualHead cards, because with two monitors in parallel to be able to work is great (I use a triple head Matrox s.drei TFTs).
Meanwhile, you can almost all popular cards. For cutting and Music is otherwise (imho) nothing really important (some might see it differently), unless you are looking for a direct interface card.
AMD dual processors are currently too expensive and performing.
Venice consorts and worth the price bezgl. little.
Yes synonymous memory should be purchased. DDR2 RAM makes sense and brings a bit of growth again (of course as a dual-channel).
Which budget plan you?
Antwort von Alpinist:
and a powerful yet affordable system How you define performance? 1080p HD editing? 'only' work fluidly?
What is affordable for you? 300? 500? 1000? 2000?
;-)
I have a Pentium D 2.66 GHz, 2 Gb DDR2 RAM, ASUS P5WD2-E Premium motherboard, ASUS X800 graphics card, two SATA disks and a new power supply. It took me half a year ago about EUR 600 for the upgrade cost. HDV editing is Pinnacle Studio 10.6 with very fluid, full Neurendern to another Resolutiondauert about 3x the film length. Native edition of the film is only marginally longer than the copying of one plate to another (including effects).
However, now the graphics card is too weak, because I have a Dell 24 "my own name ;-) Because, unfortunately, is probably an expensive X1950 have her or something ...
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Antwort von BeeZee:
Hi,
My current system consists of a P4 2.8 Ghz CPU, 2GB DDR SDRAM, an ASUS P4C800-E board and a Matrox P650 card. The system is still ok, but I push depending on what plugins I use, increasingly s.die borders. CPU should be enough of Intel to the Board, I would still prefer ASUS. DualHead GraKa must be natural, this feature, I had already with the P650 (2 SonyTFTs connected via DVI) and do not want to miss. Direct interface card must not be, yes, unfortunately, is somewhat larger holes in the fund.
By affordable I mean that the entire unit (CPU + Cooler / board / GraKa / RAM) in the area around the 500 ¬ should move? Probably I need a new PSU synonymous? At the moment is still a 350W Enermax in Calculator?
Thank you!
Gruss - BeeZee.
Antwort von BeeZee:
Oh, one more thing about the term "powerful". 1080p HD editing practice, I do not (yet), I think it will still take some time synonymous. Liquid should work but it's quickly and with low Latzenzen (Cubase) anyway ;-)
BeeZee.
Antwort von steveb:
with 500 euro wirds probably fit. I appreciate that you like
With these prices must be expected.
Intel CPU 170euro
MB 100 euro
Memory 1GB 100 euro
graphics card 130 euro
Cooler 15-20 euro
PSU 50 euro
As I said the performance gain is very clear. I see power as not necessarily a must. The CPU does not need more excitement and the plates are now so synonymous. The graphics card should be passively cooled.
Antwort von Alpinist:
Another small tip, if you wait until after Christmas can, you should do so synonymous. Now even tried the 'old' chipsets the company (P4, PD) and in addition to the Christmas season so you can imagine how the effect ;-)
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Antwort von Core 2 Duo:
I can give you only the Intel Core 2 Duo warmly heartily. Have yourself the E6700 in it, which is really damn fast.
The E6300 you could be quite high over clock if you need software ...
Antwort von Klaus Zimmer:
I can give you only the Intel Core 2 Duo warmly heartily. Have yourself the E6700 in it, which is really damn fast.
The E6300 you could be quite high over clock if you need software ... The E6700 is but again another price class? ;-)
Klaus.
Antwort von PowerMac:
(...) The E6300 you could be quite high over clock if you need software ... What a professional tip.
Antwort von soahC:
So I would definitely recommend to 2G Ram. Was at my NEN ordinary performance boost!
Antwort von Alpinist:
So I would definitely recommend to 2G Ram. Was at my NEN ordinary performance boost! Yes! Especially in the video editing more RAM makes a significant difference. Except you will not only save time but synonymous swapping to the hard drive, which in turn increases the lifetime of this.
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Antwort von steveb:
500 euro was the target. This will make sure you can retrofit later :-)
Antwort von PowerMac:
(...) In addition you will not only save time but synonymous swapping to the hard drive, which in turn increases the lifetime of this. (...) I think this is nonsense. The hard drive is running and constantly reads and writes video files. It would not matter if they are synonymous or virtual RAM read and write files have. On this depends the life does not.
Antwort von steveb:
(...) The E6300 you could be quite high over clock if you need software ...
What a professional tip. I think for almost synonymous worthwhile. depending on the vorsystem, the performance gain is so, fairly enormous.
Antwort von Alpinist:
(...) In addition you will not only save time but synonymous swapping to the hard drive, which in turn increases the lifetime of this. (...)
I think this is nonsense. The hard drive is running and constantly reads and writes video files. It would not matter if they are synonymous or virtual RAM read and write files have. On this depends the life does not. It is not that silly but is simply because the video files, and read almost linearly written. A swap of the memory requirement is through random access and is therefore a significant addition to listeners latency and an (admittedly low) higher power, a degree of wear listeners. Consequently, a reduction in the MTBF and now resulting in a shorter time period to a failure, ie a shorter lifetime.
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Antwort von Alpinist:
(...) The E6300 you could be quite high over clock if you need software ...
What a professional tip.
I think for almost synonymous worthwhile. depending on the vorsystem, the performance gain is so, fairly enormous. Note duchaus This makes sense when one considers the replacement of the new system thinks. One could thus secure one or two months or longer bridge and then to a newer generation of chips, or just lower chip prices may fall back on.
True to the motto, I brauch eh soon a new Processor / calculator, but I touch on my old times in short order to have more power if it breaks, synonymous ists no preference. So more power and possibly only advantages.
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Antwort von steveb:
(...) In addition you will not only save time but synonymous swapping to the hard drive, which in turn increases the lifetime of this. (...)
I think this is nonsense. The hard drive is running and constantly reads and writes video files. It would not matter if they are synonymous or virtual RAM read and write files have. On this depends the life does not.
It is not that silly but is simply because the video files, and read almost linearly written. A swap of the memory requirement is through random access and is therefore a significant addition to listeners latency and an (admittedly low) higher power, a degree of wear listeners. Consequently, a reduction in the MTBF and now resulting in a shorter time period to a failure, ie a shorter lifetime.
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http://www.gipfelsammler.de/ In principle, yes ... but how long is the current average lifetime of a hard drive in years or months. The inclined user who is careful, has SOWISO within the next 3 years to a greater or other purchased. At min. 2 years warranty, the record hardly stretch the wings ....
Antwort von PowerMac:
(...) In addition you will not only save time but synonymous swapping to the hard drive, which in turn increases the lifetime of this. (...)
I think this is nonsense. The hard drive is running and constantly reads and writes video files. It would not matter if they are synonymous or virtual RAM read and write files have. On this depends the life does not.
It is not that silly but is simply because the video files, and read almost linearly written. A swap of the memory requirement is through random access and is therefore a significant addition to listeners latency and an (admittedly low) higher power, a degree of wear listeners. Consequently, a reduction in the MTBF and now resulting in a shorter time period to a failure, ie a shorter lifetime.
(...) This is still nonsense, because data never linear read and write. Video files are almost always made up of many small files, graphics, audio snippets, many blocks that are never physically in a train or read can be written. There is still wildly herumgesprungen.
Antwort von PowerMac:
(...) I have contacts but my old times in short order to have more power if it breaks, synonymous ists no preference. So more power and possibly only advantages. (...) This is not an advantage. This is negligence and unprofessional. Stability is important, not performance.
Antwort von Alpinist:
lifetime increases.
I think this is nonsense.
almost linear read and write. ... Random Access ... a reduction in the MTBF ... ie shorter lifetime.
This is still nonsense, ... many blocks that are never physically in a train or read can be written. There is still wildly herumgesprungen. Stefan hats understood, but what you do not cares. Look at the times of fragmentation of your swap space s.and compared with the times the number s.physisch distributed blocks of your most complex project.
Even if I shoot only as a hobby, with IT systems and their architectures do I earn my money.
tacts but I have my old times in short order to have more power if it breaks, synonymous ists no preference. So more power and possibly only advantages.
This is not an advantage. This is negligence and unprofessional. Stability is important, not performance. You should still make this all about evaluation. In the case of a company you use, I agree Admittedly, for a home user should not be the case (eg weak Calculator for HDV editing).
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Antwort von steveb:
Stefan hats understood the correct wording would have been if. "Stefan had always known it" :-)
But as I said between practice and Therorie but here are a few worlds. Not only that the "less hard to use" as synonymous, the high bars is not really worth it and therefore the discussion is really unnecessary. The actual use of an HD-Videohobbyisten (no preference whether with more or less RAM) was so little noticed, such as the use of time / durability of a conventional car heaters in colder or warmer winters.
Antwort von Alpinist:
;-)
But for me this is not a theory but an everyday practice. But legally, you have, with the thread "what I get for 500 Eur", this has not much to do ;-)
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Antwort von PowerMac:
(...) Look at the times of fragmentation of your swap space s.and the comparative times with the number s.physisch distributed blocks of your most complex project. (...) This is even with all due respect of the Völler from the hard drive. My virtual memory is wonderful in a row. My Project on the other hand, more complex distributed.
Antwort von Schleichmichel:
if you wait until after Christmas can, you should do so synonymous. : D
The trick to know the Manufacturer synonymous know ...
Nice Page, mountaineer. BeeZee but I think after your comments weggeflogen:)
Antwort von Alpinist:
(...) Look at the times of fragmentation of your swap space s.and the comparative times with the number s.physisch distributed blocks of your most complex project. (...)
This is even with all due respect of the Völler from the hard drive. I speak here of fragmentation of the swap file or partition in comparison to the
number of occupied blocks of your user data. The fact is that this is largely related to ensuring the operating system as much as possible.
My virtual memory is wonderful in a row. That, however, is nonsense. Look at the block level at times, not what you display your operating system. The operating system sets arbitrarily close to the data in the reserved area, only with a file browser, you can not recognize the - you see only one area as you sign it first. An externally visible unity with sorting still has precious little to do.
Get more Basics: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speicherverwaltung and http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtuelle_Speicherverwaltung
My Project on the other hand, more complex distributed. It is not about the distance between blocks, but each jump between the blocks, since then the arm moves back and must be stopped. The less jumps the lower the burden on the hardware. I think you immediately that you have 3 parts such as the clean distributed. This makes only two jumps. If this program is now in the virtual memory storage, which makes very fast 3 ^ n jumps from, depending on the size of the file, the utilization of real memory and the efficiency of the program and the operating system.
As the synonymous that you have your position and I believe - is important but only that it works and it gives a backup ;-) if you wait until after Christmas can, you should do so synonymous.
: D
The trick to know the Manufacturer synonymous know ... But this year is still a 'generational change' in the processor (Pentium 4 and D stocks) will be announced and therefore the more effect than usual are expected.
Nice Page, mountaineer. BeeZee but I think after your comments weggeflogen:) Thank you and yes, I believe synonymous, that he is gone - after this long post I need a beer ;-)
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Antwort von steveb:
instead you about this matter to "argue" if you prefer the questioner to help :-)
Antwort von BeeZee:
Thanks Stefan!
I wondered synonymous grad when I aufmachte the thread where the leads now!
I'm still grateful for useful tips! Prozessormässig I am a bit smarter (goes in the direction E6300 or slightly higher), motherboard and graphics card, I might need a few recommendations ...
Thanks and greetings - BeeZee.
Antwort von steveb:
www.tomshardware.de
Reference page for almost all hardware tests. There is synonymous with super _artikel processors etc.
Antwort von Alpinist:
My scope is focused mainly on Adobe Premiere Pro2, AE 7 and Photoshop CS. Incidentally, I still synonymous with Sequencer software (Cubase4), which is rather in the field of audio devours resources. Motherboard and video card, I might need a few recommendations ... Can the programs the graphics acceleration chips for use? If not you'll get for under $ 100 have good cards. Possibly. You can indeed synonymous with a built-chip back.
Leistungs- / price comparisonRecommendations If you then maybe 4 banks of RAM and an affordable mainboard have like, the air is already thin providers. In addition, it depends of the following from:
- Many IDE connections needed? It is usually only one of two optical drives are
- AGP, PCIe, or no preference?
- Number of PCI Slots
- Perepherieanschlüsse (Firewire, LAN, etc)
If you then everything zusammennimmst, you will surely only a handful of motherboards for Choice and then take one with good reviews ;-)
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