Frage von gfortuna:
Hello!
I want to buy camcorder - mostly of my children growing up to be recorded.
I have the following requirements:
+ NO cassette, because two things annoy me:
1. Risk of unintended transfer of recordings
2. little comfort in the transfer to the PC
-> Dhsbesten SDHC Card (HDD or DVD is synonymous ;-)
+ Price Range 600, - Euro (I could of made synonymous cheaper ;-)
+ Resolution1920x1080i - so the videos in 20 years, yet some are for viewing.
In the narrow election is currently Panasonic HDC-SD5EG - currently fits exactly synonymous by price - 600, - Euro.
Adjust the camera for my purpose?
Is there real alternatives?
Thank you for your help!
Antwort von Kiesi:
Look at the times of the Xacti HD1000.
Antwort von gfortuna:
Thanks for the quick reply!
I had quite a short Xacti HD2 - the concept is great - but after 10 minutes of filming, I knew that the overall result does not fit for me.
I was especially bad autofocus and the very modest capabilities Lowlight disturbed. The photo quality is more with cell phone photos as with real cameras to compare ;-( (
lg
gernot
Antwort von Carl Bernhard:
1. Risk of unintended transfer of recordings that is synonymous with flash recorder - even "much better" - because you need usually just the wrong button to press and then are not only parts, but all images are deleted.
2. little comfort in the transfer to the PC
-> Dhsbesten SDHC Card (HDD or DVD is synonymous ;-) So comfortable than a cassette but is not - any cheap calculator has a FireWire input and can do ... without any compatibility problems.
What you think is certainly the "time" at the "dubbing" on the calculator is required (capture) - but that is relatively no preference, because you usually without any further conversion with the material work. In H.264 compressed material did you 1st may be problems if the camera uses its own codecs and givest 2nd question at capturing the time saved, restore the material in a compatible format converted (of quality and nervous breakdowns, I have not even started).
DVD-based devices are absolutely unsuitable for further editing and relatively "expensive" in the archive.
Disk devices are shock sensitive and very sensitive. Furthermore, the disk noise worse than that of tape drives.
Finally, still on the Panasonic:
There were times a very good article on the "thermal problems" of this device, it should probably be fairly warm, which is then "forced break" leads. Synonymous, there was a quote from the service of documents where anything "high ambient temperature ... ... .. Other ... integrated fan and air intake of the fan, etc. ..." drinstand. Experimental times the forum search.
So if you are partout tape not want to take a camcorder to record chips - are at the last CES enough new appeared so that the devices are likely to be cheaper and so in your frame.
If you do have the right, the material behind synonymous simply to be able to process, then take a device with tape recording - the reasons for that are here already have been called a hundred times.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
Tape ... ... risk of unintended transfer of recordings ... To avoid this, I broke my habit, immediately remove the cartridge write-protect on. An accidental overwriting is no longer possible. What safeguards hard drive or DVD camcorder to offer consumer class because I do not know. Voluntarily, I would buy anyway, none of the latter two.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von Quadruplex:
If you do have the right, the material behind synonymous simply to be able to process, then take a device with tape recording - the reasons for that are here already have been called a hundred times. But - but who does not want to hear, must feel ...
Antwort von Carl Bernhard:
Tape ... ... risk of unintended transfer of recordings ...
To avoid this, I broke my habit, immediately remove the cartridge write-protect on. An accidental overwriting is no longer possible ... Exactly - that's easy and goes fast.
... Voluntarily, I would buy anyway, none of the latter two ... Since I am quite of your opinion. If then with chip - but since then come the "problems" of the archiving of them - in the appropriate memory size, there are not too many and they are not exactly cheap. In addition, however, synonymous as currently various defects (usunterschiedliche codecs, little software, lack of computing power) the further processing at the moment still quite difficult to.
Antwort von gfortuna:
ok - so I've understood that in the DV-format processing is much better ...
again subject to the delete / archive:
So I did it happen that I am not good at video cassettes have viewed a test and then somewhere in the middle of playing again. after the cassette was not full - I would not synonymous enable write protection ...
and if I am on a memory chip or on a hdd accidentally delete something - it comes to "repair program" ...
the archive - so I have set before the data to external hdd + dvd secure.
I am now still consider whether the cartridge or hdd or SDHC.
if the optional SDHC or hdd to fall - there's a recommendation?
and another question - what software is recommended if the data have been compressed (or AVCHD h.264)?
thank you for your reply!
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Gfortuna
.. the question here you can not make the forum .. Unlease so you have the vehement cries from the trenches ...
There are the "hardliners" who say HDV is the best in the world and lets himself with freeware software from the Internet and edit those to which I belong, who say H.264 is the technical improvement of HDV and a format in the future as well as HDV support now.
That being said, it is the HDTV television standard in Germany.
And if you still have desire to learn more, then look in the Topics, which are so far gone ... there are all FOR WIDER and extensively discussed.
If you have specific questions that are not explained in the Topics ... happy.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... I did it happen that I am not good at video cassettes have viewed a test and then somewhere in the middle again plays ... Small tip, if you like the pictures in the Camera anschaust: Let then the camera itself with the END SEARCH function again until the end of the recording coils, then you do not transfer more oversight.
... after the cassette was not full - I would not synonymous enable write protection ... Why should we not go? The write protection is just a simple plastic slide on the back of the cassette, which is always on or off it, just no preference whether or how many shots are on this tape.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von Jan:
Och nö, when I use the Full HD already read, pure Kundenverarsche - and everyone believes it. Why?
Because the SD Pana models on the only good sensor 500,000 pixels - 3 CCD it must not be aggregated because each unit for a base color is. Regardless of whether pixel shift and other technical progress - it does not come to a real Full HD. The small optical line pairs would be synonymous not resolve, we are just now at about 600-700 lines in the consumer area.
The image quality is on the SD models has become worse each year, the first non-Full HD SD 1 was still the best, the SD 5 was even worse, the new SD 9 is synonymous not better (current asset test video), synonymous if they have a few innovative new features & options. Who has eg a microphone input of the 3en? Yes only the old SD 1, it will only slimmed down mercilessly ....
DVD late in 2008, Panasonic has a model for 2008 - the 50th VDR D According to my knowledge is even Panasonic 2009 DVD camcorder no longer present - naja for Blue Ray camcorder - it was to be expected.
I welcome that, though with the action (only 1 expensive DVD camcorder) could be the year 2008 in the pants go - the number 1 s.Markt to be at Panasonic set fully on the memory card camcorders. Unfortunately, in the price of entry too many DVD camcorders sold, despite the weaknesses are known - Sony Will look.
The SD card simply stuck somewhere inside the material and immediately see is synonymous not always the case (without the right PC Player & TV)
For an automatic film, the little cuts, however, speaks not so much against the SD 5 & SD 9th Recently, I was able to SD 5 MTS files, synonymous the Full HD File, s.Windows media player, support for H.264 is always bigger.
Just 40 minutes on a 4 GB match (best quality), one must observe. Then help halt a laptop or a cache. Here come the HDD device in the Vormachtsstellung, the new SonySR 12 may even 14.6 h in the best quality (Full HD AVCHD) on its 120 GB hard drive
write. HDD but synonymous disadvantages - no big moving the camera, like no big highs and the starting price is expensive.
VG
Jan
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Jan
... super klasse analysis ...
Antwort von Jan:
Thanks Wolfgang, in some things I recently learned more, eg more precise knowledge AVCHD - synonymous for you.
Even if you do not always easy to take you (because you're here legally egocentric represents your opinion). Our leaders Rudi, Heidi & Rob can sing a song like this, I think it still look almost all that you sacrifice your time here - and of course, advertising for your book - it belongs to halt synonymous.
We have even more extraordinary autodidacts like our Powermac.
One user said last time, we need to discuss if all of the same opinion would be, there would be no progress.
VG
Jan
Antwort von castingeurope:
Subject to archiving, I would like to point out that long-term backups for good reason still to be made tapes. This store s.längesten recognized.
Flash Disks are still at 100 000 cycles of memory. DVDs and CD after 10 years rather unreadable, since the coatings the material attack.
For hard disks, there is no guarantee synonymous, which they pounce again after years, the stock can verharzen.
Antwort von Quadruplex:
That being said, it is the HDTV television standard in Germany. zzzzzzzzz ....
Mr. Wunderlich - how often do you want for as yet on this ride about meaningless fact?
We talk of amateur filmmakers or industry camcorders - whose images are of course presented and distributed - but only rarely on television.
Let's look instead at times realistic Verteilwege:
For PAL video-DVD, I must again HDV as AVC encode and downscaling.
On Blu-ray and HD-DVD are MPEG-2 (HDV), such as MPEG-4 (AVC) is possible - I'm So in the ideal case without further data reduction up to my HD screen.
In None of these chains appears somewhere the TV broadcast to - could have a reason?
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Quadruplex
It is about compatibilities, uniform systems of the future care of algorithms, etc.
If MPEG2 is not so powerful and would have been good, did you have your beloved never get HDV.
Similarly, it will be in the future. Being a TV H.264 standard, it should be evident that a corresponding development of AVC is experienced.
Come out of your amateur but times out corner and look slightly above the rim ... You will you wonder what there is still everything to see.
Antwort von castingeurope:
That being said, it is the HDTV television standard in Germany.
zzzzzzzzz ....
Mr. Wunderlich - how often do you want for as yet on this ride about meaningless fact?
We talk of amateur filmmakers or industry camcorders - whose images are of course presented and distributed - but only rarely on television. I see exactly the same way - basically meaningless for us. And if something like this be on TV, I can always HDV - mini-DV cassette submit the sender - a change there is certainly no problem.
And let's face it: Your all serious believes that the industry is a real interest in "compatibility" and "uniform systems" has - that's really the first time
Antwort von castingeurope:
If MPEG2 is not so powerful and would have been good, did you have your beloved never get HDV.
Why "was"?
Antwort von WoWu:
Pity that his name None dares to put one and fakt-oriented discussion.
Antwort von wolfgang:
@ Gfortuna
.. the question here you can not make the forum .. Unlease so you have the vehement cries from the trenches ...
There are the "hardliners" who say HDV is the best in the world and lets himself with freeware software from the Internet Edit
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Mr. Wunderlich - how often do you want for as yet on this ride about meaningless fact?
We talk of amateur filmmakers or industry camcorders - whose images are of course presented and distributed - but only rarely on television.
So I do not understand how to think about how HDV Akquisitonsformate versus AVC repeatedly to such remarks can. Instead of soberly possible advantages and disadvantages presented. This is not a question of hardware or softline, or technical format with strengths as synonymous with weakness, in various forms at all levels of the production chain.
and another question - what software is recommended if the data have been compressed (or AVCHD h.264)?
Sure, you can answer that. You are here first time on fast PCs more dependent, 4-core devices are not a mistake if you cut the material without transforming like (like what "native" interface is called). It is still necessary, with 2-core processors, 4 cores, but are definitely better.
Editing programs, this native processing, are Pinnacle Studio 11 +, Sony Vegas Studio 8 or Media synonymous Sony Vegas Pro 8th The first two products are more entry-level solutions. Personally I find the native cut well if the cut is rather simple.
Very good thing is synonymous with the proxy or intermediate solutions, primarily for older PCs suitable solutions can be. Works so that before the cut in the conversion is done easily editable format - made some Ulead Video Studio 11.5 +, Magix or Canopus and Canopus Edius Neo. If the cut complex, offer particularly good solutions Canopus products in the sense of a good real-time preview.
Continue reading here:
http://www.videotreffpunkt.com/thread.php?threadid=4686
Antwort von gfortuna:
... thanks for the answers ....
BUT: What camcorder is now under the same conditions to recommend?
Antwort von WoWu:
I tend to actually not recommended but if tomorrow I should buy a camcorder, so when I (always-in-hand) would have, I would probably take the HR 10, knowing that he is not perfect and it is in the current year Probably there will be more interesting models.
Antwort von Fotofox:
... thanks for the answers ....
BUT: What camcorder is now under the same conditions to recommend? I would currently have a used HDV - Camcorders (Tape) growth and then perhaps have to change next year:
Flash memory will prevail, I am very sure. The advantages compared to mechanical drives are simply not away. MTRON eg a Flash-SSD presented, with fabulous details. Since the HDDs pack. DVD dies out anyway. Bluray baucht synonymous a mechanically.
And the software sector: AVCHD is at least in the consumer and Prosumersegment synonymous enforce.
lg, Fotofox
Antwort von Quadruplex:
Before the purchase, perhaps the end times
Antwort von studio tre:
Did I read correctly?
The man from the Magix Support recommends the "superior" AVCHD material (even in "fernsehkonformen standard") in a "completely outdated" (MPEG 2) format?
Oh, Oh - I am curious what the H.264 Pope to say is ...
Antwort von Wastl2:
Gfortuna Hello!
Maybe you can help ichj. I had the Sanyo Xacti HD1 (your HD2 is almost identical, which take nothing) and with the recordings was quite happy when the day is filmed in Hellen. In rooms or at dusk were already major weaknesses, the picture was just a blue Noise.
With the HD1000, the sensationally changed. The autofocus works much more stable and accurate, the videos are on my 20 "Samsung 206BW 1680x1050 pixel TFT smooth and sharp (not as" sharp geriffel "such as HD1). The weak quality of light is absolutely convinced (even at night with street lighting lantern can still SOMETHING (in literal sense!) recognize concerts are problemlsos possible. The electronic image stabilizer works to approximately 5x zoom enough, then with Rucklern (if you have no tripod used). Convince yourself of the weakness of light quality on http://www.videoaktiv.de/content/view/1327/57/ and compare it with eg http://www.videoaktiv.de/content/view/1434/57/
Because I think the Sanyo eigtl even better view. To be exact, the quality is simply bombastic.
From the editing, there are in the Camera quick effective cutting / assembly function. For the right cut, I use a Core 2 Duo E6600, 3GB DDR2 RAM, Geforce 8800GTS 320 MB and Pinnacle Studio 11 Ultimate. The native is redundant processing in real time, as long as you do not use difficult Effects (crossfades and color are very short or no computing implemented). "Less PC" I would not recommend.
Important: I film in 720p mode, I mode to 1080i no better quality can provide. Mainly I am just full but friendly, because it is so nciht with stuff like deinterlacing etc rumärgern must. Just 30 frames per second and finished.
I hope I have with my comments to help you.
Oh yes: The battery life of the HD1000 is HD1 in Comparison to three times as long, I would say.
LG Wastl
