Frage von etch:
Hi.
Following problem:
I had 2 months before an order for a local club to film an event. The entire event was about 3 1 / 2 hours of me and was recorded in HDV. I previously had the client completely from the HDV format and the information said that it may be possible if it is not the technology, which he does not play. I gave him the possibility of the event in either SD or HDV record, he insisted on HDV.
Now you can certainly think about what comes now: he calls me s.and tells me that the material he can not abpsielen, he had tried everything and now wants me of the complete material converted. The best way to MiniDV tapes played back or stored on hard drive.
So now my question: since the time with a larger burden (I remember: 3 1 / 2 hours to convert the material completely) I will of course not say that I do him the favor and do it for nothing. What would a reasonable price for such a performance?
Antwort von Eva Maier:
After it is a "local club" I would act in this matter off service, especially since you've nichtabspielbare goods are delivered.
Your statement to the customer via SD or HDV has probably led daszu that the customer is the "better" material wanted.
But erklär times a cow cycling.
Decent short order, Absielbbare product supply and hope that it is advertising for the future.
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Antwort von Jörg:
Decent short order, Absielbbare product supply and hope that it is advertising for the future. which there is absolutely nothing to add ....
Antwort von MacUser:
Hi.
.... So now my question: since the time with a larger burden (I remember: 3 1 / 2 hours to convert the material completely) I will of course not say that I do him the favor and do it for nothing. What would a reasonable price for such a performance? Some Sony HDV Cams (eg HDR-HC1) convert on the fly - that is built on the hardware - in SD order. If the material is already on the hard drive is, but it is certainly easier with such as Apple's Compressor to convert to SD. If the customer is a USB hard drive has but this is synonymous as it directly. The time is thus reduced to about 15 minutes and a little night work for the calculator. What is the value of your customers you need to know. A certain individual "responsibility" for the wrong decision of the customer is probably already before it?
Antwort von wolfgang:
The customer wants to DV, and on a hard drive? Have you agreed that the material he may nachbar work or what he needs in this way? In Regefall enough but a well-encoded SD-DVD. I find that rather strange.
The extra effort should be contained, if the project still exists - and to SD rausrendern may actually any editing program. I would give him the cost to make - especially the material and a few euros for the time (when rendering the PC works anyway even overnight if necessary).
Antwort von Chezus:
flat, you do not each frame individually to a "few" decimate pixels, so that's done the computer for you. It has for me many times over the night.
It's really better if you do nothing to him afterwards and say how long you actually took it and would normally cost more than what he yet to be calculated. Especially in the computer field, most know not what effort.
Most believe that a good video, a good site or a hammer graphics with the touch of a button arise.
Klär it on and do it for free, that's really the best solution
Antwort von robbie:
In this case, I can only connect my speakers, and you recommend that the entire free to make changes!
Look at all synonymous as a lesson for you. HD ... nice and good, but do not exaggerate. You should be future customers not only the choice between HD and SD offer. Everyone (not from the film / TV area) would decide for HD.
The reason is the general confusion surrounding new format. Küzlich wanted to persuade a customer to me, he always looks over its analog satellite receivers Sunday evening (NCIS) in HD! on its plasma ... after about 45 minutes Format statement I've hopefully convinced him that this is not the case.
And this is probably the fault of SAT1 is P7S1 and I'm angry because synonymous. This "Presented in HDTV is just pure muck. Nobody thinks that this is advertising for the HD channel.
Return relating to: I will recommend you the customer not only the choice to leave, but to say that he simply gets a complete DVD. The raw material needs a customer anyway. That I've never been away (otherwise of course the case of pure rotation orders ..)... You can offer him, if in a few years the need to upgrade to HD, they can choose to watch a HD copy here. But as long as there was no (affordable) HD player, it is so useful as a car, if there are no gas stations there.
Schöne Grüße,
Robbie
Antwort von wolfgang:
Well it is again not synonymous, that there are no affordable player. We have both the TViX HD, the Xoro HSD 8500, the Kiss 600, the Snazzio the SC200 - in addition to the upcoming HD-DVD and BluRay players. There are already people who are synonymous these devices for presentations at fairs, etc. to use.
The problem I see is more likely that you already know exactly what it is in this sector, specifically by auslostet talking about how the customers want to play high-resolution material. And only if you know, then you can give your customers a total concept synonymous sell, and advise accordingly.
As with any sales performance of technically complex products - you must be synonymous even know what they are talking.
Antwort von Eva Maier:
It is not known what to do on the movie thing, but it is difficult to imagine that the club Meier Checkout the Verein to despoil them with things of which you probably never heard of.
Even here in the forum it should only give the individuals except for household objects have high-resolution.
HD-DVD Burner is still not even on the market and that is a viable one Blu Ray disc I've created has not yet heard synonymous.
What I have heard is - Calculator upgraded and Video Lan Player
That is absolutely not the solution you can offer quiet conscience ..
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Antwort von wolfgang:
This is precisely the problem: if you do not know solutions, they are not synonymous offer. Completely true.
But one should not be synonymous to any blanket verdict. In the case of the devices I have in fact not a single (!) Anything with BluRay or HD-DVD to be done.
Antwort von Eva Maier:
@ Wolfgang
You should not do that if I look closely with Blu Ray had anticipated something.
Playstation 3 is now on the rise, as I have for the future such requests already in the mind influences the course a bit.
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Antwort von wolfgang:
So mine is already clear that the PS3 is gaining ground on. But even so you should wait to see what is in the area BluRay / HD-DVD does. Currently, these systems are still rather ill-HD-DVD around with his inability to play 50i. On the firmware update we wait around for quite a while. That is next with things so that there are hardly any who can confirm whether the self PS3 DVD / BR discs will play. Probably yes, but definitely I have not heard of yet, that it would. And the face of such constraints must still wait, as HD-DVD/BluRay in the next six months to develop.
And just because I know these problems, it is still useful to other HD solutions set - and in peace times to be seen what s.der HD-DVD/BluRay front will do. Den with these solutions can now definitely HD solutions consume at home. Perhaps it would be even for this club had a solution - if a high resolution which really is so important. Oh, I can not, of course, to assess - I do not know enough about their needs, or their purse.
Antwort von Eva Maier:
I have nothing (or little) to oppose, I would like garnicht synonymous, except that there is a small difference between the creators and the players.
Otherwise, at least the times I reported that HD-DVD (on a normal DVD) with DVDit works and should be in my environment as a PS3, I will find Freak certainly times a 15 Euro BD-R if necessary sacrifice and then my husband wisdom s.den bring.
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Antwort von wolfgang:
From the previous cheap tools, the HD-DVD authoring can hear that with the 1080 50i discs created are not likely to be playable. I have not tested. Personally, I rather wait times on the burner and player, both formats can be, and until things are cheaper.
Although I am not very happy that my use of the Xoro HSD 8500 is no longer distributed - but he plays HDV2 material of stinknormalen a blank DVD (4.3 GB dual layer as synonymous) from trouble. And now when someone needs a working solution - so most people are with the TViX-HD very satisfied.
My point is to stop if I am someone an HD production to sell, then I will give you quite that sure should / must know whether what he buys. And this includes synonymous, it ensures that if the user has the equipment, the stuff makes sense for him to be able to play - both on the page of vision devices, as synonymous to the page of players.
Suppose that the club has an HD-capable projector / plasma / LCD: perhaps would be the TViX-HD solution for the club?
Antwort von Jan:
Hello,
what hast thou to him for a DVD? The M2 transport stream directly to DVD, or a normal SD DVD, the DVD is funny you should actually read ....
Yes, the BlueRay devices are expensive, come in the next few months or only for local dealers as a tester available.
Whom to our high-resolution film times at a 1080 P-DVD player like the Panasonic BD 10 or even better the SonyBDP S 1 in the 24 P mode viewing, you will be amazed at some building blocks. Yes, unfortunately, is yet future, home, I could not afford the synonymous.
I believe man must be synonymous HD television equipment are not only there, but fine adjustment. Contrast, Helligeit, Color, etc.
HDV Hype Unfortunately, I had no time Wolfgang effective / practical solutions to test (Kiss & Xoro).
VG
Jan
Antwort von Eva Maier:
The planned for May LG burner is supposed to be around the 1200 cost,
It will probably take some time until the (in your sense) are cheaper.
Because I would then synonymous the price of the GBB-H10N LG monitor is the only Blu Ray, but as already mentioned, the synonymous HD-DVD on the XBox360 running (weird), the Sony is supposed to recognize no BD_RE.
Regrettable is the questioner now ....
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Antwort von wolfgang:
Yes, the questioner is obviously no longer here. Could happen. 1200 Euro was probably too much for the ...
:)
Antwort von Eva Maier:
This may be that 1200 is a bit much, but it feels like Jan is really a difference between the day and 2 nights in comparison to the conventional DVD, as can be seen to be weak.
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Antwort von wolfgang:
I can certainly understand that man / woman as weak will.
But around 1200 euros but I do indeed alternatives to the current HD-DVD and BluRay too - and wait times in silence, until the brav Prices expire. For my Xoro sowas I paid around 170 euros, if I really had in mind. And the 1080i are synonymous, but not 1080p. Presented at the moment completely for its own movies - when you buy wheels, I can personally well and happy to wait.
Antwort von Mattheo:
So here is again the questioner:
So the task was a completely raw material procurement. The club just wanted to have an event, without editing. The material is there now on MiniDV cassettes before.
Counseling took place in respect of over an hour instead of contacts and assured me very firmly that he was everything in the HD format would like to have.
The possibility of the material with him now on the spot with an HD camera to capture s.sich So therefore should not be a problem. The question is rather why such a contract ever rausgeht.
But seis drum. Happened has happened. Now is changed.
But look at the speakers regarding the HD to come. I have already several EPK productions for various bands in HD and produced the final 5-6 minutes clip as Mov file burned onto a DVD. Has the client and helping functions.
Antwort von Eva Maier:
Then you should see the new material is now possible to bring s.den man that you will not again casseroles and your losses, hopefully next order (excluding goodwill) to offset.
In this sense ...
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Antwort von K.-D. Schmidt:
How would it with the following proposal:
Give the customer's desired version, and is free (as already suggested on several occasions), but previously worked a little personal logo, like the TV stations do synonymous. Do not be large and conspicuous.
Greeting
KDS
Antwort von Maik:
But seis drum. Happened has happened. Now is changed.
The simplest possible method is:
HDV - SD camcorder and mini DV camcorder connected via Firewire.
HDV - camcorder downconvert to previously asked,
Rec + Play.
If: 3 1 / 2 hours + 1 / 2 hour for changing cartridges, pre-and rewind.
Everything else will take considerably longer and would need to be determined empirically.
Depending on the editing system with which you work, one minute rausrendern
to test (either format's true, etc.), you can render.
When I takes 1 hour to convert HDV egalwas in 2.5 hours.
So 3.5 hours starting material and my calculator is a day blocked.
Many greetings,
M.
Antwort von Jan:
Yes waiting is probably the best option.
1080 P DVD recorder is not enough, because still has a Full HD Television ago, when SonyBDP S 1 nor any of the 24 P can be, then still a good receiver with the 1080 P and the latest Tonvarianten clearly comes Saturday as the Panasonic XR 700 then you very quickly los 5000 ¬.
The company always extremely Checkout must make such novelties ...
I remember because s.die DVD Players & Recorders were barely affordable, but now cost even better recorder company less than ¬ 200. I'm synonymous as one of the latest from VHS to DVD recorder wagon train.
VG
Jan
Antwort von Eva Maier:
@ Jan
Good effect!
Whether one is not better off is if you look like a movie, respectively?
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