Frage von Kobold:
Hi friends,
I search since its already here but now can not find a proper topic somehow ...
I shoot mostly with its SonyEX1 or Panasonic HVX200 and edit the material s.nem Mac Pro (two quad-core, etc.)
Now I want to cut me NEN own place together and knows absolutely not what matters. For cost reasons, I tend to a computer system on which I then install osx final cut and want to use.
Something like in the way:
- Intel Core 2 Duo 3.2 GHz
- 8 GB DDR-2 1066
- E Asus 9800 GT 512 MB graphics
makes sense? It depends on the CPU or the graphics? what is with video editing?
ever grateful for tips ...
Antwort von tommyb:
Purchase you prefer a real Mac.
Antwort von thos-berlin:
I am amateur and use a Windows PC.
But if I already have a MAC (probably because I'm "... edit the material s.nem Mac Pro"), you would be my second search another Mac. Even though I am usually with a (; foreign) MAC would work.
Alone, because I use the same software and I could use on one calculator begonnenene work on the other could continue.
Antwort von Kobold:
But if I already have a MAC (probably because I'm "... edit the material s.nem Mac Pro"), you would be my second search another Mac. Even though I am usually with a (foreign) MAC would work. I work z.zt s.nem mac, which I will soon no longer be available ...
easily procure me the feeling that the answer is not particularly qualified to get them: (
Nobody can give me something to say video editing etc?
Antwort von tommyb:
Are you such a card with SDI / HDMI / etc inputs?
Or something more:
http://forum.slashcam.de/pc-aufrusten-vt70995.html?highlight=
Antwort von strike300xxx:
For a "proper" place to actually cut only 3 machine types include:
1. HP Workstation
2. Dell Workstation
3. Mac Pro Workstation
One of these buildings can be found under at 99% of the professional editing suites.
From Pro7 her, I know that on the HP XW8200 series set.
Best Regards
Antwort von strike300xxx:
Ah,
And you have to say it would be the MAC PRO tradition, always
very poor standard GraKa's have.
Could for your project will not be quite unimportant.
For editing, there should be a computer from the Geforce Quadro FX series.
Antwort von frm:
I have from my own experience with Ex1 noticed the hardware is (I have quad 8 gig ram and Vista 64). Myself for years with Premiere rumgeärgert and have been recently Edius 5:11 of Grass Valley, cut card and an HD Spark JVC preview monitor you can calibrate synonymous.
The whole liquid runs correctly and is fun. Not to compare with Adobe Premiere before.
White net what you use.
Antwort von camworks:
Now I want to cut me NEN own place together and knows absolutely not what matters. For cost reasons, I tend to a computer system on which I then install osx final cut and want to use.
Something like in the way:
- Intel Core 2 Duo 3.2 GHz
- 8 GB DDR-2 1066
- E Asus 9800 GT 512 MB graphics
for a "hackintosh" or efix calculator makes this compilation meaningful. However, you should be clear that you are in for some osx86 distributions at each system must update patch, which is
efi-x
I have an Intel Quad q9550 @ 3GHz with 8gb ram and a 1066er ati hd3870 and various disk os x 10.5.6 running. final cut and after effects such as running very smoothly and quickly (and all other programs of course, synonymous).
we will soon (in a few weeks) for efi-x (; zd-net test report)
video cards are only really necessary if you have certain formats on or off the lines and want to do, eg yuv. the second point, where the cut card makes sense, is a preview video monitor from the area without latency. for hobbyists or
amateurs sowas is usually too expensive and it is therefore often built with the "monitors" in the working window of final cut worked.
in your case would be a cut card to capture the video data is not necessary, in both cases, one card or
the connection of the computer s.die cameras.
Antwort von musk74:
Hello!
Did I understand correctly now?
Du hast nen Mac G5 Quad and now want a PC to your Mac OSX to be installed with Final Cut Pro to work?
For heaven's sake! when you run mac OSX with Final Cut Pro on PC?
1. Stay with your MAC
2. Install Final Cut Studio 2
3. Purchase your NEN HD preview monitor
4. Leg dir ne Blackmagic HD In / Out card, or save on ne Motu V4HD
5. Make your movies!
Since you HVX 200 with the work and the Cam Infratest frames so you have produced a perfect performance! Say no Long GOP müll the immense computing power calls.
The graphics card is absolutely no preference.
I have yet ne Geforce FX 5200 with 128mb of hd cut and everything is running perfectly.
My setup:
Power Mac G5 Dual 2.5 GHZ / 8Gb RAM / RAID 8TB
Mac OSX 10.5.7
Final Cut Studio 2
Logic Pro
SonyDSR 11 (DV-MAZ)
Motu 828mkII audio
Genelec Speakers
Motu V4HD converter
26 "Master Monitor for Mac
22 "HD monitor for preview movie
Done!
Antwort von camworks:
Du hast nen Mac G5 Quad and now want a PC to your Mac OSX to be installed with Final Cut Pro to work?
For heaven's sake! when you run mac OSX with Final Cut Pro on PC?
1. Stay with your MAC 1) he has borrowed NEN mac and must soon return.
2) if you have not even know that os x without any problems on certain PC configurations to install and just as stable on a mac can use, then I would with claims such as "For heaven's sake!" careful.
berger louder clever here ... ;-)
Antwort von musk74:
Hi!
does not take so personally and just feel.
but we are among friends here and not be competitive under the motto "I know everything better" or "the only way and everything else is rubbish."
if this forum is built on people who obviously an absolute final solution for everything and have any desire police unions want to make it as admin, I would close this forum.
mac osx on pc ... whom it may be happy.
Of course if he has no mac and wants to build a PC but the fact is different.
The question is what really makes sense.
I have since 1989 are working with apple is for me to ask the pc does not. I think only a mac system with Final Cut Pro is a really inexpensive absolutely Proff. solution is. who is happy with drivers and any other hardware problems, ie, etc. to deal with pc wants to remain and be happy.
I do not know any of the environment in my mac osx on pc NEN throws and then with Final Cut Pro cuts. whether the spirit is to make everyone decide for themselves.
The fact is that one for little money hd an excellent solution based on mac can implement what the ultimate cost-effective as any PC solution. the general problems of windows vista so apart.
The bottom line is a film Contributors get out. cut on pc or mac is no preference.
michael
Antwort von camworks:
hi michael,
I have not personally made, I not only mags, if you do not have unknowing of the subject has (; du knewest not even that os x on pc hardware is running) and still such a vociferous kommentar provenance.
please explain me the different times, whether in the apple store, I have a Mac and choose various options, or whether I check in a store efix do. except that a similarly equipped Mac Pro costs about twice as much. the hardware, in-store efix be offered, is naturally compatible with each other and one has just as little worse with some drivers like mac. offered for most hardware can not even need drivers to install: plug and running. is considered appropriate by the apple-hardware-recognized system and adapts itself synonymous with existing environments mac neatly.
that in your environment None os x on pc hardware has run, does not mean that it does not. I and many others to work productively with efi-x and are very satisfied.
maybe you should better inform yourself first before you make such warnings abgibst. otherwise you can not take seriously.
Antwort von musk74:
Hi!
ok ok.
with the pc world I know not enough.
in my company to run the mac about 5 years and are then regenriert.
what the cost point of view is like the cheaper mac pc variante.
the cost of a pc with avid clearly exceed the price of a mac system. Moreover, the maturity of the pc `s shorter. added to the resale value of the pc is a disaster.
synonymous of course work from the pc efix store.
it is and remains, despite all of a PC.
try on his pc from efx store of 2004 a full hd project to realize. viel spass.
of course, but how is das?
cost cost cost.
motherboard, drivers, hard disk, video card, operating system, etc.
So I cut out movies on my old mac and everything as always.
ok. NEN update times, etc.
because I am every day 10 hours Kötter I did not time myself with any hardware and softwarekram to employ.
Fact is the time for many production companies of avid on Final Cut Pro umspringen based on mac.
I can not imagine that this company, remember you might synonymous osx on the pc nem to run and then get on with Final Cut Pro intersect. the background is another.
except avid mc mac pc and Final Cut Pro gibts nix but what really has workflow. the consumer goes naturally with the pc kram Edius and liquid, premiere etc.
I wonder if Final Cut Pro on pc is running, the film academy in berlin umschwenkt not complete. pc much cheaper.
sometimes the pain is the best to pay only once, however, to have something mediocre every day.
michael
Antwort von camworks:
why many people efi-x is not yet known and therefore do not yet own? quite simple: because it is the product for so long do not exist and it is the European market is just beginning to develop, because the distribution chain is being built up. warte mal ne long time that we are talking about us in a year again. ;-) It is of course synonymous turnkey efix systems, which additionally in any shop with cards and gimmicks can be upgraded, as well as in the original.
efi-x is only since 2008, so no efix System of 2004, a full-hd-edit project. logical. you can be happy times, but the after effects Slashcam benchmark on your mac and restart your mac and type the results here veröffenltichen, then I tell you my good times. and then let's compare the prices of our systems ;-)
software updates without any problems to work on the software update of OS X just like on the mac. but just as with the mac you should prefer to use combo-update, because as you read plenty in the network may have many synonymous mac issues in accordance with the online updates. otherwise drivers are only necessary if it synonymous to a mac would be needed. I have synonymous in my last contribution already written, this was only the sake of you read about. ;-)
Antwort von musk74:
Hi!
jajaja!
i know.
the speed and so.
my mac is slower with security as such a high end pc tuned. but is gone but the target.
I have in my company the opportunity to Avid Adrenaline and mac fcp2 cutting.
I usually choose the Final Cut Pro schnitt space.
the avid pc costs "hp workstation 'locker mal 5000 Euro!
times when I give you the expenses of the average center pc for the past 3 years of presenting "updates, etc." you will be pale.
However, the mac runs and runs and runs.
ok ... I admit I am a mac fan.
I think ... we have both right!
the pc is fast and cheap in the purchase.
mac osx on pc ... I have no idea .... yes running.
but I think once on each of the mac with Final Cut Pro has cut that was absolutely happy.
hmm. they were again the pc and macianer.
ok ..
Ultimately it is the film out at the end.
whether mac or pc.
whether or Final Cut Pro or Avid Edius or liquid.
we are all happy with the results.
michael
Antwort von camworks:
I have the feeling that you do not read what I write. I have not an HP workstation with avid recommended. I have nothing against synonymous Final Cut Pro said. a PC with OS X and Final Cut Pro just feels s.wie a Mac and thus also the "happy people", but cost significantly less.
bringest you ever have any pseudo-arguments that are not part of the discussion are and were. as a last example, the "expenses of the average center pc for the past 3 years", even the ninth and wanted to know the specific synonymous with absolutely nothing to do. hauptsache However, sometimes what is written .... ;-)
Antwort von musk74:
Hi!
The user here is filming with the ex1 or hvx 200th
Now, he wants to cut its own space.
he would like to base on pc mac osx and use Final Cut Pro.
I recommend:
Power Mac G5
quad or 8core.
no pc basis.
section on fcp2.
absolutely realistic.
finger away from the pc with mac osx or Final Cut Pro.
michael
Antwort von unodostres:
Purchase you prefer a real Mac. .... and so will pay for half of the double s.Kohle performance.
With his computer in any case are technically efficient and economically better advised synonymous. But in any case with Vista 64th
Antwort von camworks:
... and I recommend a efix calculator with the following components:
Quad Q9650 3GHz (Dual Core is synonymous's Final Cut Pro)
8GB RAM (1066 MHz)
System 500GB HDD
Video 1TB HDD, or better a video directly RAID 5
NVIDIA 9800GT or ATI3870
efix module *
OS X 10.5.7
Final Cut Pro Studio 2
I am in favor of OS X, as an inert Vista and with the time always involves the carrier system. Once the difference in the potter has seen the will never again work on Windows.
* Of osx86 distros I advise for professional operation, since they are on a normal update procedure does not allow update of Apple and among other things synonymous with the various problems have sleep mode. Rather it's what crafters who are knowledgeable about. Furthermore, partly because Apple KEXT files hacked, which is legally very doubtful.
Antwort von TiMovie:
so - now I'm synonymous neugirig!
@ camworks - so what would a "efix" - calculator cost?
Greeting TiMovie
Antwort von Chezus:
Mac vs.. PC discussions we had enough to ...
The efix variant synonymous times I would be interested. Not because I want to buy, but to expand my horizons;)
price to the point I want to say: schonmal a G5 or a MacPro 2 years old sold at ebay? It still gets mad a lot of evidence synonymous if the part is much slower than most cheaper Windows Calculator.
Subtracting the value of second-hand from the original purchase value, the Mac is so expensive garnicht more.
as my old MacBook: NP about 1000 Euro, 3 years old, was broken
With ebay, I still get 550 euros. Well noticed: DEFECT!
My recommendation is as always a Mac. Am extremely pleased and have since about 8 months, nothing more except upgraded disk.
I will only buy a new if:
- It is written off (; tax)
- At the same time an update comes on the market
- This updates includes SSD drive
- I grad the wherewithal hab
;)
Antwort von camworks:
so - now I'm curious synonymous!
@ camworks - so what would a "efix" - calculator cost?
So:
Mainboard (with high data throughput, for video editing or musician suitable)
Intel Quad Q9650, 3GHz, 12MB Level 2 cache with a very low mark coolers (no boxed cooler!)
Brands 8GB RAM (1066 MHz 5-5-5-18)
System HDD Western Digital 640GB SATAII
Video HDD Western Digital 1TB SATAII
DVD Burners-dual layer 18 times
ATI3870/512MB DDR4
efix module
Apple Aluminum Keyboard with number pad
Logitech 3-button mouse (laser)
OS X 10.5.7 (for legal reasons of foreign company installed and charged - but agree price here, since with complaints)
The final costing is not quite through, but as the number of times I give above efix computer 1899, - Euro incl OS X and efix care (3 years warranty including phone support s.Kaufdatum) to. Business Monitor (s) mitbestellt, this gets us as a candy of hardware-calibrated.
For comparison, a similarly equipped Mac Pro costs depending on which CPU is based on, between 3093 - and 3543, - Euro. Shortly we will be synonymous with efix computer Nehalem processors offer.
For an additional charge you can add various additional options such as RAID controllers, Wi-Fi card and additional disks for Time Machine order.
Our price of 1899, - Euro goes without monitors. Two DVI-out times, you can use PC monitors. I have s.meinem efix calculator two Hyundai 24 "W241D with S-PVA panel off, an absolute feast for the eyes!
With the above efix computer, the current benchmark Slashcam (
Antwort von camworks:
- This updates includes SSD drive
SSD is nice and good, but I think, because the performance is still not good price-/Leistungsverhältnis and long-term experience in the wild, there's still not synonymous.
Antwort von Chezus:
The only even we do not know what the time brings with itself.
If price / performance on SSD drives sowas probably would fit perfectly as a system disk
As I said, my Mac is still far from being exhausted;)
Antwort von camworks:
clearly, I know. I just said, because of the current hypes on the share. Velociraptor is a 15000er most SSDs have in every point except i / o ops superior and cost a fraction.
Antwort von TiMovie:
Mac Pro 2009
1x Intel Xeon Quad Nehalem 2.66
with 8GB Ram 1066 MHz DDR3
ATI HD 4870
1TB + 320GB hard drive
18x DVD Burner
FW800
.
.
.
.
A Optics - that you can melt away - mist - always the Apple disciples - sorrrrry!
for 2600, --
So I would obviously be the 700, - euro surcharge is justified, but their supporters have EFIX course synonymous right that Apple in the middle segment not covered - and especially that the flexibility s.Komponenten, mainly what graphics cards are concerned, is lousy and overpriced !
In endeffect me, it would be certainly no preference (well ok - not quite) whether as a Mac or any other computing machine is down, hauptsache Mac OS X and sau sau fast and stable!
But my machine which I put together, would be synonymous not cheaper than a Mac Pro 2x Quad!
Wishes every success with EFIX!
Oh yes, my old MacPro 2x2, 8 Quad comes at 162sec, and still has lots of resources!
Antwort von Chezus:
Yes, currently, of course.
Currently it is still synonymous rather 2x 1TB disks to buy than 1x 2TB
I just make myself a system based on a SSD disk fairly rapidly and safely in front.
If the Raptor does not jeopardize 15000er soon hops to go? Have never tried. I just thought that the speed of light in the hot, loud and long does not necessarily. can deceive me but synonymous
Antwort von camworks:
Mac Pro 2009
for 2600, -- That's true but do not! Remains fairly times! I have the calculator in front of my Apple Store Comparison let out. Click times the same components, such as the hard right. And above all, the AppleCare Protection Plan, the efix-care is in my price included!
Oh yes, my old MacPro 2x2, 8 Quad comes at 162sec, and still has lots of resources! yes, 8-core! Compare apples with pears are especially good ... ;-)
Antwort von Chezus:
Components such as RAM, hard disks or the Protection Plan, I would never directly from the Apple Store mitkaufen
RAM in the DSP
Hard depending on who is s.günstigsten
Protection Plan in USA from ebay (has the same purpose as the Apple Store)
So you can save synonymous with Apple.
My Mac will only run with third-party RAM and 4 plates of different manufacturers. Protection Plan was I think around 99 $
Antwort von TiMovie:
That was not meant evil!
For the price, you buy but certainly not synonymous with the most expensive components of your - or? price of Mactr * BTO - 26xx --
Who, for example its Ram at Apple buys is your own fault that he is almost four times that must lie down!
and 240sec for a singel Quad is top!
And I am still of the opinion that if you put a similar system as a dual quad Xeon system to sell, this is not synonymous is cheaper than a Mac - Conclusion - the calculator are not overpriced!
We should all be fair!
I think the war between PC and Mac synonymous daft!
We make movies - and what is sch * no preference!
Antwort von camworks:
That was not meant evil! I know, but you have just a few things forgotten einzurechnen, neither Apple nor of of ebay or a box of slides. This is nunmal unfair.
For the price, you buy but certainly not synonymous with the most expensive components of your - or? price of Mactr * BTO - 26xx --
Who, for example its Ram at Apple buys is your own fault that he is almost four times that must lie down! I buy there, where the overall package for me, cheap (not necessarily equal cheap) is.
Incl. Shipping and stunt track and I am waiting times for parts 2 p.m. to 7 p.m. days. Sowas is not on, when I with a calculator must earn money.
Therefore, for me: If I were at a dealer knows that it is more expensive than, for example, ebay or any box slider, but a spare part on the exchange because, if I cut s.einem Project and the deadline is tomorrow and go broke should irgendwass , then I go to the dealer. I have days or even in the worst case for weeks time, I can on the net looking for the cheapest sources.
Antwort von TiMovie:
@ camworks
My final word - I think this efix a fine thing, an operating system should not be bound s.eine hardware, everyone should decide for himself with what his constituents want to work!
Synonymous hope that since Apple has no problems there and it is legally watertight!
Best Regards
Antwort von Chezus:
That may be, but why should "our" unreliable sources.
Only the Protection Plan, I would refer on ebay and when it gets to the speed. To decide whether I am now 1 or 3 year warranty so I want to 1 years time.
DSP Ram: I have never been longer than 1-2 days
harddrive on Mindfactory: Monday ordered Tuesday because (with Service Level Gold is a possible return sauschnell place)
The service of Amazon is out of question anyway
Out of the Box is the Mac Pro so immediately operational. Editing programs on it and so I can earn money. If I upgrade it, I must go to "my" of confidence and 2 days later I can upgrade the crate.
Side door to
RAM board rausgezogen
RAM put drauf
RAM board again
For me as a technology-Noob gibts nix better
So I am excited of the device
Antwort von camworks:
@ timovie:
yes, is synonymous everything good and beautiful. ;-) In my arguments about the "forgotten" component, you are unfortunately not discussed. I have so clearly stated, because the threads Slashcam sometime in the archive and then landing for years of people from the net to read and that might not bother, even the Apple Store to correct prices or price differences efix auszurechnen.
@ chezus:
Retrieved from "unreliable" I've never written. I write and my "slow". 1-2 days beyond the deadline may, if the calculator is flat. Even with longer delivery times on-line shops would grow. Cutter, thereby earning their living, in such emergencies have no time to wait for 1-2 days not synonymous. And you get the logic board of my knowledge, even the Apple Protection Plan is not directly exchanged. Corrected me if I am wrong.
BTW: efix computer: side door on RAM bars inserted, side door. Runs. And where is now the difference with the Mac? The Apple-brainwashing seems to work well, as I remember ... ;-) Apple disciples ( "disciples" is to be taken literally, Bhagwan was a person from Apple) seem to believe that we should lock the RAM in the PC board soldering. ;-) But they must be exactly like the Mac just plug in and nothing else, no settings, no switch, nothing next.
Antwort von TiMovie:
ok - ok!
I have just listed the components that you've given - and the holding costs as a complete package in this slide that said crate 26xx, - Euros! - What components have I forgotten?
And it is perhaps clear many, many years, the Macs work with the service "not hit" is - depending on the slider box which you buy a Mac!
Reliability - there's a saying - leaving you only to yourself,
In such cases, I have a second computer, I am not a Protection Plan or other insurance or warranty plans!
I have insurance as a replacement unit with - clearly hear everything in super - but you must stop at all, and always live in the Kleingetruckte read - and since you can then quickly ausmalen, what's behind it!
So relating back to - what components I have forgotten (service not included)
Antwort von camworks:
So relating back to - what components I have forgotten (service not included) 320er plate instead 640er
and precisely the Protection Plan. Consider it if you have the price already, because he is with us in it. I know from experience that there is no permanent protection for professionals not working.
Antwort von TiMovie:
maginale the price difference of a hard drive I have not really taken into account!
Protection Plan When I must, however, you fully and totally agree --
this is a marketing guarantee I absolutely synonymous next find!
But no preference - for 26xx Euros is a 24 month standard warranty with it! For 29, - drauf a 36 month warranty!
Hard Drives price is approximately at 20 - to 30 --
Warranty 36 months in 118, --
"with replacement device to a repair" (na Yes)
So finally we are at about 2800, - arrived
And those are at least 1000, - the price difference, since many will ask whether the surcharge loht!
Antwort von Chezus:
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