Frage von fleshmann:
Hello experts!
I let my short film last night with a friend via Magic Bullet Suite deinterlace. Now I somewhat sobering look at the results and seriously wonder whether there has not been held somewhere in the production chain is a misconception. With this question I address myself now s.Euch! Would be great if someone could help me a little more secure feeling, because tonight there is a "parastatal" Premiere of my shameful ..
So the following:
The material was rotated on HDV 1080i, for reasons of time but converted directly to the eincapturen with SD footage. Now I have cut into APP 1.5 and exported the movie as interlaced DV-AVI. With this file I moved to my friend to get there, look in After Effects 7.0 per MB suite and some finishing touches to the deinterlacer. The material is now really looks very nice, but the deinterlacing I can not tell the difference simply settle for the "join fields" when exporting to APP. As the movie from AE again as DV-AVI was exported, I wonder if this format does not always produce fields and thus the function of the Magic Bullet gets in the way?
Since I have known my somewhat synonymous "fees paid", I would like to know whether and where there is an error here ..
How do I burn the film now showing on the DVD?
Thanks for any help and food for thought ..
Antwort von Markus:
Hello,
for whatever reason you have to carry out a deinterlacing at all? Would you like the video presentation on a computer monitor?
Otherwise, just leave it interlaced. Each video output device can deal with interlaced video, as the television standard nunmal is defined.
Antwort von Uwe:
Hi Markus,
Otherwise, just leave it interlaced. Each video output device can deal with interlaced video, as the television standard nunmal is defined. That's right, but who now belongs to the circle of an LCD / plasma owner should in my opinion, with one (of course, very good) De-interlacer change its material on full frames.
Reason:
The de-interlacer integrated into the TV sets usually have only very low quality. Above all, in cheaper devices ...
Antwort von Gast1:
SD integrate fields into full frames to (de-interlace) usually means compromising on quality in the form of blur and / or a light on movement "judder".
For the actual de-interlace, it is no preference whether it be in the PC, or television is taking place, since just two superimposed staggered fields. In NLEs such as AE or there is the possibility that through the De-interlace emerging "judder" reduce by Pictureüberblendung or pixel überblendung to. But that reduces the sharpness.
Every DVD player then interlaced again at the issue, the only exception are the few with HDMI interface. The plasma / LCD Television de-interlaced, then again, the tube unit can only play interlaced anyway.
As Mark has said would be synonymous to leave, I always interlaced interlaced. Everything else is my opinion a waste of time and at worst a loss of quality.
Antwort von beiti:
In this case, was unfortunately missed the opportunity to already deinterlace the 1080i material. Because yes dringesteckt still had reserves of resolution, so that it would not look bad in SD now, probably as progressive rotated DV (for example, the Canon XL2).
Spells can no software. Deinterlacing is effectively halving the Vertical Resolution and to interpolate new intermediate lines to.
There are still shared with something like "intelligent deinterlacing" the information of the second field - but of course only when standing still camera.
Antwort von Markus:
The de-interlacer integrated into the TV sets usually have only very low quality. I can do that on my plasma television (can not confirm a recent Panasonic). He has a very good deinterlacer.
Above all, in cheaper devices ... Would you want to customize your videos to a really bad flat screen TV? The devices are synonymous at some better, but your video will remain so bad. ;-)
Antwort von Uwe:
Hi Markus,
I can do that on my plasma television (can not confirm a recent Panasonic). He has a very good deinterlacer.
Well, since I had read various testing times. And which cut off all the built-schlecht. And the various controls such as in a De-interlacer FieldsKit or BCC are not available ...
But, as always synonymous, it remains then the question in this "constellation" (LCD / Plasma) => Why not just of the top s.de-interlace? A full-screen editing s.PC (particularly synonymous compositing) brings synonymous in the opinion of a whole range of professionals but some benefits, or because a anderew you have a question?
Antwort von Markus:
Let me put it this way: Of course, brings a full-screen editing s.PC benefits. Is it possible to progressively further process the images, and output on a progressive television show, the world would be in order.
But that's not currently functioning. The interlaced camcorder, the video image, it renders it on the calculator, this deinterlace it, it will burn a DVD, the DVD player to interlaced picture again and the usually flat-screen TV is carrying out a re-interlacing? - That makes no sense.
Since assert themselves more and more progressive flat-screen TV, I have my next investment step should be carried out as if I aufnahmeseitig times upgrade to HD, buy a progressive video camera. 1080i will leave it, I find 720p better. Also I would like to see no pixel aspect more, but take square pixels. Because it means saving! ;-)
PS: Since when were these test reports and what devices (class) stood s.Pranger?
Antwort von Uwe:
But that's not currently functioning. The interlaced camcorder, the video image, it renders it on the calculator, this deinterlace it, it will burn a DVD, the DVD player to interlaced picture again and the usually flat-screen TV is carrying out a re-interlacing? - That makes no sense.
... in the transfer of Cam on the calculator so is no de-interlacing instead ... The "sticking point" at the moment still seems the older DVD standalones to be. In more recent interlacing of my knowledge no longer occurs, or you can customize it.
But you're right => the HDV cams with one hand on the other 1280x720p or 1440x1080i make it easier to take a not exactly the right decision ...
The test reports I've read a few months ago => Prad-/Hifi-Forum ..... so I now ask not remember exactly where ... I had to buy an LCD or plasma in front of me - until now I still have not ;-)
I think synonymous => fields completely eliminate ...
Antwort von beiti:
I think synonymous => fields completely eliminate ... Yes, but then 50p, since jerky 25p too much.
Antwort von Markus:
... the HDV cams with one hand 1280x720p or 1440x1080i other hand, make it a not so easy to make the right decision ... In some ways yes. I do not want a
V-HD camcorder, the high-resolution video with only 25 Mbit / s recording. I do not think so sparkling. - So save even longer ... ;-)
Antwort von Gast1:
Let me put it this way: Of course, brings a full-screen editing s.PC benefits. Is it possible to progressively further process the images, and output on a progressive television show, the world would be in order. What benefits are in the "full treatment"?
1080i will leave it, I find 720p better. Why do you find 720p better?
Antwort von fleshmann:
interesting discussion ..
de-interlacing for me was a look-ask. Thus, mentioned ruckeln desirable. the magic bullet deinterlacer I promised me a film is the approximate motion blur. I had previously some impressive results this plugin may marvel.
in my case above, I have probably built bockmist actually, as I have interlaced cut, then had to deinterlace by mb, and finally the mpg for dvd again have interlaced.
.. learned something.
If I have now broken the thread of the discussion .., I was not here ..
viele grüße
Antwort von Uwe:
The article is already a bit older but still fits pretty well in here:
http://www.animemusicvideos.org/guides/avtech/interlacedvsprogressive.html
Antwort von Gast1:
The article is already a bit older but still fits pretty well in here:
http://www.animemusicvideos.org/guides/avtech/interlacedvsprogressive.html The tutorial is certainly interesting, but provides no arguments for de-interlace interlaced material.
Antwort von Uwe:
The tutorial is certainly interesting, but provides no arguments for de-interlace interlaced material. "The main caveat with interlaced footage, in terms of editing, is that whenever you slow it down or move it around, or apply certain effects, you need to deinterlace it."
"Progressive frames can be moved around, have effects done to them and so on without having to worry about interlaced frames. It's also very easy to take a still from any frame you like in order to edit it without worrying about the horizontal lines - this is great for photoshop work, masking and all sorts of manual manipulation frame effects. "
For me, the advantages are fairly obvious:
- If you have a newer DVD standalone (the interlaced) is not necessarily
- An LCD / plasma TV have
Interlace => then it must necessarily be de-1x. Either at the end of the TV or s.Anfang processing.
Disadvantages of tv-de-interlacing
- It worked almost interlaced + can not judge the final outcome ig 100%. It has all the disadvantages of interlacing on a progressive computer monitor => Kammbildungen, double vision, etc. ...
- The hardware de-interlacing in the plasma / LCD is worse than a good software de-interlacing
So, why wait until the end, if anyway 1x de-interlaced has to be?
Antwort von Gast1:
@ Uwe
It is true that most of the effects can be applied only to de-interlaced material. Therefore, de-interlaced each NLE and effects of each program while rendering auto. Better Programs de-interlace only the parts of the material, with a filter (Effect) are provided (Smart Rendering). After calculating the effects of the machined part is then re-interlaced.
So no reason for all that stuff to de-) render interlace (which would cost only quality.
Whether it's with a "progressive DVD player / flat," I do not know what does. I've seen so far only a few flat screens, the SD may reflect generally synonymous only nearly as good as a tube device. The best was yet a DVD via HDMI, my opinion was even better than tube. Whether the DVD was progressive, I do not know. And if the film was scanned probably the top of s.progressive.
Antwort von Camcorder Fan:
@ Uwe
It is true that most of the effects can be applied only to de-interlaced material. Therefore, de-interlaced each NLE and effects of each program while rendering auto. Better Programs de-interlace only the parts of the material, with a filter (Effect) are provided. Programs call me this time ...?
Antwort von Bernd E.:
de-interlace (render) Could it be that thou shalt here are two things in a pot, which have nothing to do with each other?
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von Uwe:
Therefore, de-interlaced each NLE and effects of each program while rendering auto. Better Programs de-interlace only the parts of the material, with a filter (Effect) are provided (Smart Rendering). I now work a bit longer with APP (1.5 + 2.0). This feature is there does not exist ;-). I would be interested in it synonymous times, which works program so ...?
Antwort von Gast1:
@ Uwe, Bernd E., Guest
Put Simply drop an interlaced DV-AVI clip to the timeline. Reduce the speed of the clip. Put the same clip again without the filter / change next to it. In the export settings for APP in video, you'll remove> New to compress the hook. What that means is in the APP help under "video export settings". Then exportierst the whole thing with the same codec as the original interlaced clips as DV-AVI.
The first clip with filters / Effect of APP is rendered. The second does not, which is copied from the original 1:1 and without any quality loss "captured" /. With Ulead MSP makes the whole "life" pursue s.Screen ", MSP shows usRenderfortschritt and speed on the window.
Since a reduction in speed de-interlacing required by the program must have well de-interlaced. See APP-help "change the clip speed.
As APP is de-interlaced usin the help on "How to create Halbbildclips or non-Halbbildclips.
There are synonymous Effects / Filters like the tracking that do not require de-interlacing, but with de-run interlacdem material usually better. So you have to "hand of" de-interlace or interpret.
Basically, smart rendering is only possible with clips that are not filled with filters / effects, and with the same codec as the original will be exported. Exceptions include transitions (crossover), since not the entire clip is rendered, but only the transition. Does synonymous but if with the help of a filter is de-interlaced, is synonymous rendered.
Antwort von Uwe:
Since "vertüddelst" You lot ... usde-interlacing + smart-rendering.
But, as always synonymous, the benefits of a de-interlacing of the beginning of that constellation s.bei remain ja ...
Antwort von Gast1:
Yes I vertüddel then?
