Frage von Andreas_Kiel:
see
hier. Die Zielgruppe wundert da irgendwie nicht: "Sonystellt
in the U.S. hier. Die Zielgruppe wundert da irgendwie nicht: "Sonystellt with its HDR-CX12 camcorder before a compact ... "
BG,
Andreas
Antwort von Axel:
To set the angle to stretch the mouth and teeth to Blecker - the smile einfrierbare - calls the Portraitanten in the U.S., "cheese" to say. We have "shitty rice 'worth. Speech in the camera is now multilingual. Speaking in the presence of the camera about food, you can synonymous in the manual mode.
Antwort von WoWu:
Surprise .... MPEG 4 is very much more than just 2 dimensional images. That is just the beginning. Smile shutter are just gimmicks, because the developers do not come better applications.
Antwort von Jan:
I think nothing of it. It concerns not only the photo mode, there are already some digicam manufacturers which are now synonymous dominate.
I have in my company with the new SonyLächelkameras very rarely achieved such a picture because the camera is not often in the right moment was triggered, or the camera on several occasions recognized the non-smiling people.
This is only at the expense of speed of the camera.
VG
Jan
Antwort von WoWu:
We must not only behind the "ridiculous" to see the application. For me, this is a clear sign, as decided now synonymous further MPEG4 features of the firms should be addressed. The MPEG4 box still offers a huge pile s.Features more.
As I said, the facial recognition and face coding are now holding only the first steps. The whole ends with a functioning Flexmux and object-oriented videos.
These toys are just a waste product.
Antwort von TheBubble:
The detection of features in images regardless of recording formats, the first has nothing to do with each other.
Antwort von WoWu:
Then the times look at MPEG4 specification .... and not just the codec or the Bitstream ....... Read, read, read ...
Apart from this, where I wrote that there is something with the recording format to do?
Read .. read .. read ..
Antwort von TheBubble:
Then the times look at MPEG4 specification .... and not just the codec or the Bitstream ....... Read, read, read ...
And look you look at the world outside of MPEG 4. Not everything has to do with that car, just because it might somehow synonymous favor could be useful.
And another thing: The tone ( "read .. read .. read ..") I do not like.
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Thebubble
And another thing: The tone ( "read .. read .. read ..") I do not like.
you can not always meet everyone's taste.
What MPEG4, it is probably reduzierst you on what you know them.
I can therefore recommend reading below:
(ISO / IEC 14496).
The entire procedure is actually "MPEG4 coding of audio-visual objects"
And, as the name suggests, it encompasses much more than just a coding format.
It is a multimedia bitstream format, a complete multimedia framework for natural, but synonymous synthetic audio - and video material and contains a very extensive collection tool for video and audio compression.
The entire MPEG4 standard fan on in 8 sections:
ISO / IEC 14496-1 (Systems) .... to ISO / IEC 14496-8.
Tools: BiFS, Object Descriptors, FlexMux, MP4 File Format, etc.
ISO / IEC 14496-2 (Visual) Natural and synthetic coding, as well as facial and body animation SO / IEC 14496-3 ... etc.
The of Dir
World outside of MPEG 4 find approval by ISO / IEC 14496-2 in detail.
As I said ... Read, read, read and not just Schnack ...
or is here nomen omen?
Antwort von Markus:
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Antwort von Daigoro:
What is the use of the users, when something of her theory is good, but not enough has been implemented?
The old topic - I've already synonymous him a hundred times trying to explain.
If you look at the current development seems, is synonymous never enough to be implemented - at least not in the consumer area.
Because the companies use their developments, not better machines on the market (why synonymous, making higher-segment kauptt yes?), But everything cheaper at constant and sometimes even performance to decline.
Antwort von Axel:
But why not speculate? What would it be because of the opportunities offered by these intelligently used Mustererkennung opened, promise? I could not, for example, imagine that an image stabilization system based on this principle, in practice, ever had a bad camera work ausbügelt.
But what's with data for motion tracking? Differenzkeying? That would be like me.
As a waste product to leave the film with digital effect of morphing transition.
Police Verfassungsschutz, medicine, astronomy, there are certainly many ways, but probably only interested here s.Rande.
Antwort von Daigoro:
But why not speculate?
Best-case or worst case?
But what's with data for motion tracking? Differenzkeying? That would be like me.
Does this work in the computer already good car?
What would it for the quality of the tracking keying or bring the computer into the camera to relocate?
"Intelligent" is not - no more than simple (if relatively modest as quality) and cheaper - as well as the digital effects, which we already have in the camera.
"Too poor for NEN right holiday? Our Zony VPHMAXYLK 33 HD and created a blue wall for only 599, - the perfect holiday illusion * in * the camera. Visit a virtually exclusive of 26 preset locations - their neighbors will be amazed." : D
There's the beginning of the 80 times a funny movie Eischen Eastern Europe of a boy, alone in a spaceship has lived and "friends" only in a virtual Enterprise holodeck (decades before Enterprise NG) moderate from a projector room had.
Super sache.
And object-oriented or content-video encoding times only sounds great and revolutionary - but it's there already synonymous to 8bit times with "sprites" and "parallax scrolling" - problem: the technology is too 'stupid' and too slow to provide data similar to the human eye to process.
In the computer field, the 'virtual worlds' become increasingly complex and require more data for a' fotorealitsische 'representation (see MS Flight Simulator).
A certain fun factor, I can at the "Back to the Future" development of Videofuzzis discover in any case. :)
Okay, enough speculation.
Antwort von Axel:
Best-case or worst case? Desires, so the best case. If the technology is ripe, we scrape the remnants of the hard concrete facts on which the wishes aufklatschten. A professor tätschelt us shoulder and comforted us with the potential that the technology for the future. Ad infinitum.
But what's with data for motion tracking? Differenzkeying? That would be like me.
Does this work in the computer already good car?
What would it for the quality of the tracking keying or bring the computer into the camera to relocate?
"Intelligent" is not - no more than simple ...
I'm not cyberneticians, but the motion tracking, which is now by subsequent analysis of the video is, I see a pattern in its infancy on. Since it is certainly enormous progress. For example, if a recording is already a moving object of the camera motion as amended by distinguished background would. If 3D information such perspectival axes, camera position, etc. to describe the video and would not only, as now, the positions of the pixels. All this is expressed amateurishly.
Whether what brings us? Are you the selection tool "magic wand" in Photoshop? In older versions did you mean the sky (about the evening sky with a natural history of dark blue to pink salmon) can not choose, without a person in the foreground with record. Jetzt geht das Kommt in front like magic. I think it brings a lot.
That what you have, but then comes naturally to you and less pleased about it. And it makes not a better craftsman, let alone artists. Had Michelangelo told that in the future, better colors for a Fresco give what he probably would have responded? Too much with the theory to address is the bane of every creative impulse. At least you have the tools to concentrate in the present are available. We must never cease to learn and to practice, s.Ball to remain synonymous with the technical development. Oracles but you should not believe. Otherwise, waving the ivory tower, holodeck or rubber cell.
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Markus
One should only say it had nothing to do with MPEG4, (as happened), when it is white. Otherwise, if you are not in the EU working group has even joined helps just read .. read .. read.
It has very well with MPEG 4 and MPEG 7 to do, therefore, such an implication is synonymous for the right to them.
Sure there are other methods of Face, Motion and Emotion-Identification only the most currently used methods are based on the above procedure. In this respect, the statement simply wrong.
It would therefore be no more than Attached been, if not only synonymous formality but the content of your contribution as a basis for evaluation had found.
@ Daigoro and Axel
It is absolutely right, it always depends on how it is used and apparently increasingly synonymous who uses it.
The Bifs from MPEG 4 will now face scrutiny in the "unmanned" border crossings used ... So it is still controlled, just not stopping by.
A 24 hours of video on a certain face to analyze currently takes less than 1 second.
The combination of MPEG-4 and 7 is currently the state of the art and almost no more away to think. (in so many areas-unfortunately-)
Therefore, I agree with Axel quite agree, why it is not synonymous in the consumer collection areas hold.
Clearly, the implementation is done quite slowly, when you consider that in 1998 we had finished models, in which Philips' lead in the projects had. That is now 10 years ago and now finally, the consumer cameras.
I think that is because first of Bitstream ausgekoppelt and was brought to the standardization to the industry synonymous planning certainty.
Synonymous Therefore I think that in the coming models always additional features will be against and object-oriented video, I have not synonymous.
And that such technologies should not have, they have been since the last millennium.
@ Axel
The applications of such pattern is obvious when you even imagine what you all with a single object and you can make the video on each layer can reduce.
Video will be in the future much more than two-dimensional compositing "Abfilmen". That should not be evaluated negatively, but if you once committed, how much is already synonymous of the film from the computer, then you should ask why it took as long as until such possibilities synonymous the consumer market have achieved. (be)
@ Daigoro
Problem: the technology is too 'stupid' and too slow to provide data similar to the human eye to process.
It may be that there is still so, so come synonymous only so small, fairly pointless acting Tools ... but the conditions are also good that there is not and you have to admit, since the examples described has done so much and why should we in the video section is not similar ways, as already in the photo area? Denk times since 15 years back, like the tools at that time looked like.
It's worth it really, once the new fields to be ... and as MPEG4 is just a huge field.
We should just not make the mistake (by the starting point to come back), MPEG 4 on the reduction of what we see today.
Antwort von videobob:
@ woWu
What is happening with your HP?
Antwort von Daigoro:
Maybe I see synonymous simply too much, what we s.fundamentalem (in the consumer area!) Do not have to get over such 'gimmicks' really can be delighted.
It seems to me sometimes stop in the real purchasing products to the marketing department of an influence to have EIE as a "sensible" product.
Why are the pixel chen gradually smaller than the light?
Why are only fundamental settings menu, if ever, attainable?
Why fundamental lack of connection options?
Why we have dozens of "HD" implementations which can be mixed sch ... e look like?
The list could be long page to continue ...
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Videobob
Many thanks for the hint .... at the last update is probably the wrong index file "landed." Hab'sie briefly exchanged. Again, many thanks.
@ Daigoro
You running with me one open gates!
That is why I just synonymous to development, towards a cross-default so attractive.
And what do you think, so I always put his finger in many of these "open wounds" do, because otherwise the marketing departments with the consumers do whatever they want .... and they are already today, after "line and thread" presented.
I can just invite everyone, equally critical questioning, until finally there are sensible solutions.
Many, but just take everything as it comes and be happy about the pictures as they are ... the right to them unaffected.
Only, I see that there is indeed synonymous people who are not all that "buy" and synonymous not believe everything the Sonys and Panasonics of this world they are trying an effect.
Only reason I find it so synonymous so important times in the pipeline to see what there is all so drinstecken can and above all synonymous, as the relationships established.
Axel raises me yes, I would be only the current technology to make bad ... this time I do it no worse than it really is, I just show (synonymous in my book) on how she is saying but also synonymous, where the potential for improvements and is also synonymous, while the train is such a as I find quite good and comprehensive standards that can drive even synonymous.
(This refers, however, synonymous to many issues outside of the standard)
Everyone should then decide s.welcher place it on the train and jumps synonymous as long as he wants to ride.
But with you with what you say is absolutely right and I am (unfortunately synonymous), sure that in the coming period is synonymous from the marketing departments still get some messages do not necessarily reflect the progress.
I've ever been in another thread the citation of Goethe brought that here also valid:
You need the truth always repeat the mistake because synonymous forth to us again and again is preached, and not of individuals but of the mass.
Antwort von Jan:
I have yet to basic message to give my mustard.
In the case of Sonyhat the erweiterterte Face (Lächelerkennung) with the new more powerful BIONZ processor and his helpers to do than with MPEG 4th
Sony had then admitted that the processor technology is still too slow to select multiple faces, or how even now to see people smiling.
VG
Jan
Antwort von WoWu:
Although the BIONZ (synonymous as a fantasy name, without any reason), because there are no separate processor, these tasks. it all happens in the IP and not as an outsourced process.
These are all processes in the MPEG4 standard is defined. One has to necessarily solve them once that MPEG4 only on the part of the standard is limited, we now just use the code. MPEG4 has 24! more sections, which belong to the standard in its entirety and only describe the standard.
AVC is simply described in Part 10 and perhaps even the container format in Part 14 ... a large part of the rest describes wider things.
That with the computing power, as you describe may well be that's always important to know how much hardware will be gifts.
Modern cameras are already a Priority Processing upstream, scalable video algorithms (SAVs), which is dynamically the output quality in relation to the available time and resources necessary to adapt.
Only it all does not alter the fact that the path is fairly clearly marked out and that all of these features are defined in MPEG-4, no preference, the massive marketing name for the whole client to miss the ... again just missing the golden sticker!
Antwort von MacPro:
These are all processes in the MPEG4 standard is defined.
That nobody wants you to deny that the standard MPEG4 something keeps. But why is it not conceivable that there are separate algorithms s.Werkeln? "Smile Shutter" has been around 2 years in Click to buy!
Antwort von WoWu:
The possibility exists of course, since there is a whole handful of different algorithms is whether pattern-based or holistic. The only question is, why should companies that s.der MPEG4 development (and of course joining the patent) is not negligible are involved (and to participate) and also the goal of interactive video editing with emphasis track, precisely on such external algorithms fall back?
And the time (2 years) is no indication of this is that there is no MPEG 4 / 7 based application, because the conditions are actually given since 1998.
The Fraunhofer Institute has for several years in the iFinder CMS systems .... and is synonymous MPEG-based.
But of course you are absolutely right, it could be synonymous other procedures, as military procedures for object recognition since the 80s set.
