Newsmeldung von slashCAM:First impressions of the Canon HF10 of thomas - 18 Jan 2008 12:44:00
A first estimate for April, announced the new Canon model, which (for the first time for Canon) on SD / SDHC memory cards and a large 16GB internal flash memory recording (which is synonymous the only difference is otherwise identical and 200 euros cheaper Canon HF100). What is new is synonymous support of 1920 x 1080 FullHD at a bit rate of 17Mbps.
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Antwort von uho:
I would be interested in how far the higher bitrate the quality improves as the terms and synonymous terms HG10 HDV (HV20, HV30).
Cutting opportunities, it seems so now with VS Ulead, Pinnacle, Vegas, Movie Factory, Nero, Canopus enough to give.
Antwort von Helloweenie:
I would be interested in how far the higher bitrate the quality improves as the terms and synonymous terms HG10 HDV (HV20, HV30). There is probably more of a deterioration in quality, since these cameras to record 1440 x 1080, the HF10 but 1920 x 1080th
There are about a third more image accommodate. Accordingly, a jump of the 15Mbps of HG10 to 20 Mbps have been more appropriate than the meager increase to 17 Mbps.
Antwort von Jan:
Panasonic has Provided the unfortunately - SD 9 (Test Video Active) - it is with increased data rate from the picture is not better than the old SD 5, na wait times what Canon has so gewerkelt.
VG
Jan
Antwort von micki:
Questions:
s.Kann the Canon HF10 (0) 1080i or 1080p? By how much fps?
b) Where a cooling fan installed?
When the Camera 1080p (or 720p, at least) could and would have no fan, I would order it smooth :-)
Antwort von Jan:
European HF 10 may be 1080 / 50i and 1080 / 25 P. Although 24 P requires AVCHD, Canon is always detours (such as eg 4 channel for HDV)
Fan? no idea - I must be on the Road Show of Canon look, the models have not yet had in his hand. Or look at the U.S. forums (as already gabs Test Reports) look.
If the fan but synonymous should be as loud as the wirds of Pana but no fun.
VG
Jan
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Jan
As I said 1080p 24, 25 and 30 are very well specified in H.264 and correspond to the standard.
Only AVCHD (Proprietary specification of Sony & Panasonic) is not her. They have some things in it which are not standard.
But why should Canon ensuing keep what they Shear what other companies do ... Canon just keeps s.den standard.
Antwort von 25p niet unterstützt:
Hello,
Yesterday I got several editing programs viewed (Visual Studio11 Ulead, Pinnacle Studio, Nero Vision). All AVCHD can spend, but not progressive, only "lower field first 'or' upper field first '.
How am I so-25p AVCHD material ofCanonausgeben? I can of course spend as mpeg2, where you can choose progressive, but this is of course not, of course.
Antwort von svennibskciu:
Did Cams synonymous viewfinders or as other manufacturers only display.
Gruß Willi
Antwort von Jan:
Hello,
Unfortunately, no viewfinders:
VG
Jan
Antwort von Sportler69:
Unfortunately, no viewfinders Then may be the thing to keep.
Antwort von kowi:
Unfortunately, no viewfinders
Then may be the thing to keep. Also my opinion!
Antwort von Gast 2:
Even strange, there are so many Manufacturer of Cams with LCD monitor without
Viewfinder and with so many viewfinders and LCD monitor but not one without Viewfinder with LCD monitor (the newer camcorders). That would ne gap in the market for many camcorder enthusiasts would surely welcome.
Antwort von Andreas_Kiel:
That would ne gap in the market for many camcorder enthusiasts would surely welcome. Nee. Maybe Jan will read here are still with that will confirm this: the consumer wants to have a display! Otherwise you can during the day recorded in the evening social gathering is not spectacular ...
This is synonymous throughout the display quality. The small of the Minolta for example, which is now used for three weeks, is creepy. That of my FX1 is divine. Since I use the viewfinders no more often.
What would be nice: a B / W Viewfinder in addition to the (sunlight resistant) display. But as one hears once again the consumer ... "iiiiih, only black and white" ... : - /
I have recently read somewhere that Sony engineers of film makers were invited to FW750 (? Or Cinealta, did the article verbummelt) times in the "field" and to see the suggestions on the spot to receive the same. It would be wonderful if the prosumer synonymous with one day would make.
BG, Andreas
Antwort von Jan:
Did the Camera this week.
This is definitely the reference at AVCHD, because I would bet about smooth ....
There is unfortunately little AVCHD cameras with manual Tonaussteuerung, headphone output 3.5 mm jack and microphone input - the RF 10 & 100 have it.
Stabilizer and Canon AF as of recently used - very good.
Menu is very HG 10 Related - only small changes. 25 PF and the cinema mode as usual.
Well unfortunately you can like the HG 10 none videos in the camera cut - not synonymous in the playlist, but you can model the HF 10 of the hard drive to flash memory disk.
Yes viewfinders of missing man, Canon, and no manual Tonaussteuerung viewfinders that contradict itself ....
Lowlightbild grieselte Although synonymous (yes with smaller sensor area is hard what to expect in terms of image noise), but was lighter than that of the next allocated SonyHC 9 - at 1 / 50 sec.
Because I'm curious what the times Slashcamredaktion & Video Magazine in the laboratory test - if the camera in hand getting - say to her ....
VG
Jan
Antwort von wolfgang:
I appeared in the material in the previous test in about equal with the SR11/SR12, maybe a bit better. From the HF10 and the SR11/12 HDV is apparently the first time and really surpassed HDV2 resolution.
The big drawback remains the workability - which is still in the 1920s and again AVCHD harder than 1440er AVCHD, with today's quad-core PCs. On an overclocked Q6600 3.3 Ghz and Vegas 8b gehts so halfway, and a simple 1920s HF10 can natively stream just play with 25 fps. In Vegas 8b currently missing but synonymous nor the 1920s AVCHD output templates, which are not synonymous, even in Vegas can be created. This is still ongoing. In Pinnacle Studio 11, are apparently already available.
Antwort von bobby-c:
are you sure that the HF10 records in 1080p? on the samsung site IHC've read that they are only in 1080i "Full HD" recording, which for me but really is not full hd. where you have the 10 because hf, which is here yet or garnicht?
Antwort von Jan:
Hello,
PF-25 mode as I think Canon calls (commonly known as 25 P), there are longer, which is synonymous in the HV HVD 20.30 and the hard drive AVCHD HG 10 etc are used.
I'm "Dealers" in Germany, the Camera is since last Friday (or even credible since Thursday) where available.
I've so far only the HF 100 Tested (since I use the HF 10 for more expensive to keep - 16 GB of memory cost significantly less than 200 ¬), which is a 10 without HF 16 GB built-in memory and other color - nothing else is different.
Have extra Saturday Eve again a little test movie made with customers in my shop, the mass was impressed - what the camera for a performance, sharpness.
But be careful, first I've a 2 year old Philips LCD Full HD Television tested, and there was a slight Grieseln it, the movement representation was not really good.
Then the current Überflieger (you can of course synonymous one of the new Samsungs are good) SonyKDL 40 & 46 X 3500 is directly connected via HDMI - for me is the reference picture when the synonymous Sony SR 11 & 12 definitely been synonymous in the Champions League play.
VG
Jan
Antwort von Ekkehard:
I Schwanke yet whether I am a Canon HF-100 HF-10 or buy sollte.Bis on the 16 GB of internal memory are both technically the same.
Does the possibility of additional memory to the higher price of the HF-10?
Can I use the copy of the memory card to the internal memory to make a video editing?
Antwort von kafix2008:
Hello,
I'm "Dealers" in Germany, the Camera is since last Friday (or even credible since Thursday) where available.
Jan Hi Jan,
after I s.Samstag for 2 weeks in the Pyrenees on holiday and go for months on the HF10 wait, I wanted to ask you where the thing because in the next 2 days can get?
Please reply to forum@bernd-wolfermann.de
Gruß, Bernd
Antwort von Dixitimes:
Hello!
As I've read your damn much experience.
I am of my old SonyPC3 straight to a new order.
What, then, is in the 1.000-1.300 Euro class of the top model for the amateur filmmaker?
Canon HF10 or SonyHDS-SR12?
Or maybe Panasonic ne?
Thanks for your tips.
Antwort von Jan:
@ Dixitimes - that's my impression - I'll see if the test reports of other users and magazines confirm.
Panasonic comes definitely not with, SonySR 11 & 12 are synonymous two very good cameras - so great is the leap between SR 11 & 12 & Canon HF 10 & 100 are not synonymous.
Well quite correct to compare, you can not, because SR 11 & 12 so a big hard drive have.
@ Bernd - I've already described the HF 100 I got. Yes - you're right, Canon has internal reasons, the sister has not yet been delivered.
Ekkehard @ Although the question should be whether the HF 10 necessarily must be. The selling price is about ¬ 200 more expensive. Fast Panasonic 16 GB cards cost less than 150 ¬. Yes the color is matter of taste, perhaps, the HF 10 for much more interesting film, because you then 2x 16 GB. It could be a 32 GB card, but each is beyond the frame.
I did as I said just get the HF 100 - without the built-in memory. The instructions, however, is the same as the HF 100, there is no word of internal DV Editing spoken - I have not managed it synonymous, are not synonymous with a playlist.
(HF 10) copying from the built-in memory SD card goes, the other I did not exactly read & I could not test - da Camera is not there (SonySR 11 & 12 so it can not - the second - ie memory stick to hard drive)
I've only synonymous ordered HF 100 because the memory card so dramatic fall, a 16 GB soon nothing more value. The 200 ¬ extra cost of HF 10 to HF 100, I think too much.
VG
Jan
Antwort von Bloechi:
Hi Jan,
you have ordered the Canon F100 and you know when it is delivered?
Have ordered a synonymous, but they need the middle of May ..
Gruß Katrin
Antwort von Jan:
As for Canon, I must ask, no, I have those reasons, "nor" no HF 10 order. Actually was synonymous scheduled mid-April for the 10th HF
But it is difficult to be assumed that the Canon HF 10 price cuts soon .....
VG
Jan
Antwort von Jan:
To HF 100 - as I said, Canon is the first HF 100 already delivered p.12 until 14.04.2008. The dealer should HF 100 actually already have.
VG
Jan
Antwort von Dixitimes:
@ Jan:
Thanks for the info.
I have just for the Canon HF10 decided.
Your enthusiasm for the Focus finally has me convinced.
It is synonymous but much smaller and lighter than the SonySR12.
With the SD card synonymous, I can quickly and easily on my PC data transfer.
Although there is no simple Bearbeitunsgslösung there, but it is certainly a good simple program, with which I sequences rauskopiere, dirty places and delete what else can handle?
Or?
Who here has a low cost proposal?
Thank you
Antwort von jbl:
Hi, could you perhaps be interested Slashcam has just finished a Canon HF10 test online:
http://www.slashcam.de/artikel/Test/Scharfe-Sache--- Canon HF10-and-HF100.html
Antwort von Jan:
Thank you!
VG
Jan
Antwort von BenjaminB:
I would like the camera just because of the 25p mode here. Has someone experiences with this? Of which movements redundant? Unfortunately, we can read in all test reports nothing about it - only that it exists.
Gruß,
Benjamin
Antwort von Jan:
For me, the 25 PF mode was still almost the same as in the 30th AGM
VG
Jan
Antwort von Axel:
I would like the camera just because of the 25p mode here. Has someone experiences with this? Of which movements redundant? Unfortunately, we can read in all test reports nothing about it - only that it exists.
Gruß,
Benjamin Link
