Newsmeldung von slashCAM:First test of the Canon HV30 heidi - 29 Jan 2008 19:08:00
First test of the Canon HV30, which recently was presented to the CES, of their colleagues at Camcorder Info. However, they are especially the 30p mode, the PAL version for the local market will not, of course (still propagated to a 25p mode). Moreover, not overly done a lot in comparison to its predecessor model HV20, but as always, like the detailed test for one or other of interest.
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Antwort von uho:
I would be the comparison with the HF10/100 interest. Are HF10/100 with 17 Mb / s now so "good" as the HV30? Can i test reports on the HF10/100?
Antwort von mike123:
HF10/100 sign in to AVCHD. The quality is not synonymous with 17Mb of HDV heranreichen. Visible artifacts especially in dark areas and s.Kontrastkanten and motion blur are present Mpeg4 codec always be visible.
Antwort von TomBom:
It has such an ISBN constantly drummed for AVCHD ...
Antwort von TomBom:
I have a Canon HV 30 vinous receive. From handling the camera is her equal 20th AGM de do the black design is very good. With rough surface, the camera is very good grip.
The menu is simple and understandable, but should be read intensive synonymous.
Unfortunately, the accessories no HDMI cable available.
The picture quality 1920 X 1080 to 1440 to 1080 is on my Samsung LCD 46 "no difference.
Camera Comparison SonyHDR FX1E
Big flaw in my test: On the hand filmed with Image Stabilization in the wide angle to a center hold.
When playing are blurred light, placed s.unterschiedlich
Make slight changes to surface-like blurs. This shortcoming is the Image Stabilization caused.
We tried the Canon DV30 mounted on a tripod, this shortcoming will not give up.
In the next week, I must clarify how they come Wobbler.
Maybe someone else can understand this problem.
MfG
Diemei
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Mike123
That is almost synonymous idiocy that you post there ...
Antwort von serkan86:
... is it really so sad that a man of "vinous" HV 30 talk mus ... ? ;-) ...
And why do you think the HV 30 1920 x 1080 recording? I always thought HDV is 1440 x 1080 defined?
Antwort von Jan:
Canon tricks since all users, even when Wikipedia.de (search HDV) is the nonsense now.
HDV 2 (1440x1080i) is standardized.
A demand for Canon showed halt - "Our sensor is 1920x1080 with" fitted "and we'll give 1440x1080i HDV 2 off" - what else was not synonymous, because the other incompatible materials to the HDV standard would be.
The 1440 were synonymous logical to define the bandwidth for the MiniDV tape in a small frame to hold.
Canon halt argues that part of the chain of the digital process to be 1920x1080, but then hold down the system is expected to be - as you already could speak of 1920x1080.
I think this is window dressing, because the action does not signal much better s.Ende rauskommt, the improvement of HV 30 in contrast to the HV 20 is the improved micro-lens technology (each diode is replaced by a micro-lens) due. Canon said that there is a change to HV 20 was made. For HV 30, the signal is less than was to be strengthened at the 20th AGM
It reminds me s.die Dummheitszuweisungen s.eine variety s.Verkäufern my sister chain - which alleged that some zb DV Cameras with 1.2 or 3 million would include - this seller will be merciless in the forums down - and rightly so.
A multitude s.Usern here but behaves just as the unsuspecting seller Media - halt the advertising industry believe acquittals gift.
VG
Jan
Antwort von Jan:
The HV 30 still has a serial number (at Battery) and an A 5 booklet (gray) for the European warranty is included.
VAD has a similar test of the HV 30 (AGM 20), which is self-noise problem sder AGM 20 will be difficult to have improved, but unfortunately to the detriment of the poorer heights of the now built-in microphone. But you pick yourself a Mag, HC 9 is synonymous drin.
VG
Jan
Antwort von Diemei:
I have a second Canon HV30 tested.
The camera shows the same errors. The Image Stabilization is not working properly and changing the blur in the picture is also available.
Camera given back.
It is the actual optical impression synonymous if others think it is nonsense.
Try and look right, or to the optician.
MfG
Diemei
Antwort von Philiwahnilli:
Since I have a few days, the HV30,
makes a super good impression. Fairly sharp Picture. Intuitive. It has a sensor FullHD but the HDV recording format is and will remain 1440x1080. Is still sharper than comparable 1920x1080 AVCHD cams. The image errors due to the optical Image Stabilization can be easily explained: Fixes are Bewegungn by Lens, which is shifted. The optical axis is almost broken. An optical system has always been a perfect location for all lenses, which is the best optical image quality guaranteed. If a lens from its optimum position moves, the optical figure of course is no longer optimal. Man can not have everything, easy to use tripod. I am satisfied the fullest!
Antwort von recas:
For me it's so when I film in 25p mode with the green space as a hedge to see flicker ist.können they tell me what is the cause ist.oder, I have a wrong setting.
gruß
Antwort von Markus:
... in green areas such as hedges to see a flicker Does the color with the detail or texture to be done? What image output device you've viewed the pictures? Was the original recording or an edited version?
Antwort von markus1701:
on the original tv.war already contain the same predecessor HV20
Antwort von markus1701:
Camera Comparison SonyHDR FX1E
LOL ... entirely different class, the Canon is more a toy for unexperienced the Schnack synonymous with Full HD still believe. And those who are handling s.der Fummel not disturb. Or s.wobbeligen Picture. Or s.den colored edges. Or in plain s.Grieseln fine surfaces. Or on the display, which in the sun is now unusable.
Canon DSLR's great to have our own. That makes what where None. But video? Neeeeeeeeeee.
Antwort von markus1701:
Stupid stuff like you see anybody here.
Antwort von Zizi:
LOL ... entirely different class, the Canon is more a toy for unexperienced the Schnack synonymous with Full HD still believe. And those who are handling s.der Fummel not disturb. Or s.wobbeligen Picture. Or s.den colored edges. Or in plain s.Grieseln fine surfaces. Or on the display, which in the sun is now unusable.
Canon DSLR's great to have our own. That makes what where None. But video? Neeeeeeeeeee. What a nonsense!
Canon installed but the same chip technology the DSLR in the camcorder!
The pictures speak for themselves-the test results synonymous.
And Canon is just as nearly all s.der spitze!
At ¬ 50,000 Cams probably not but there is more synonymous with a camera people do not want to drag on shoulder!
I knew no camera under 1500 ¬ which is sharper / better and more professional as the HV20/30.
At the same A1!
Antwort von tobi1977:
Class Antwort.Danke
Here you can just any stupid stuff schreiben.Der Lord has been synonymous with other stupid stuff written.
Here again my question.
In view of the movie on my TV, I find the shots in 25p with some scenes Filmmern is to be seen.
Do I have the same scene s.gleichen location filmed in HD is the flicker away.
Antwort von Markus:
A request s.die Guests: To synonymous other users can understand the discussion, it would be helpful if your uniform would use nicknames. _________________
Sincerely,
by moderator
Antwort von Markus:
Here again my question. There is no need to continually ask anything about them. Then came the new information "HD" to what at the same time raises the question of whether the claim with "25p" an SD format was meant? That is not necessarily the case. - From the last questions asked was synonymous only one (and the synonymous only half) answered. How can the game for quite a while to come ... * * grummel
Antwort von Zizi:
I would be interested in why the test images in the small Videoaktiv.de HF10 has better Lowlightqualitäten as the HV30?
The HV30 has but even the larger chip and fewer pixels .. but the bottom line should be in low light much better?
To me, even before the HV20 is much sharper than the HV30?
schaut euch mal images of the test ...
Antwort von Jan:
The HF 10 & 100 uses a much newer stop sensor, which is now the small area still optimal uses. You can not always assume that with the better values always wins.
I've got at the HF 100 shows at a small Lowlighttest seen. Dachte erst ich hab ne 1 / 25 in it, ne ne was 1 / 50 sec. Besides, I had the HC 9 with a larger sensor (1 / 2, 9 ") - the HC 9 had no chance against the small RF 100th
In the resolution measurements was already clear that the HF 100 is a bit better. That the Tonfraktion with a flash memory looks better you can think of so synonymous - RF 100th victory
But when I look at pictures because the test for VAD (in magazines) in Comparison with sharp interior shot chart, there is the HC 9 and the TG 3 very old from the 100th RF That's how sharp (HF 100) and with a slight blur filter (TG 3 & HC 9).
Well, the HV 30 is therefore not a bad choice, the film editing will probably always prefer to take the camera, they are synonymous because a standard accessory shoe and has a Viewfinder.
VG
Jan
Antwort von yeah:
I knew no camera under 1500 ¬ which is sharper / better and more professional as the HV20/30.
At the same A1! So "profesionel" as your spelling? I knew no Camera under ¬ 1,500, the so shitty to operate with several documented controls, etc., apropos: ever heard of Rolling Shutter?
And of course there are the same sensors as the DSLR .. LOL ... yes, s.besten of the Vollformatsensor use the 5D ... everything clear.
Antwort von scream:
apropos: ever heard of Rolling Shutter?
Oh, there's only the HV20/30?
I hardly believe, as much more expensive camcorder struggling with the same problem. Ever heard of?
So "profesionel" you seem to me not to be synonymous, synonymous when your spelling is ok.
Antwort von yeah:
The fact that other cameras synonymous with fighting the same problem, I know very well. Who wants to read it and was synonymous note that nobody has claimed, that would be an exclusive HV30 problem.
These cameras but then still "profesionel" to name but then forbids itself of such faulty have "profesionelen" use nothing is lost.
CA, display, Grieseln ... there is in the price range very well better cams with smooth handling. Even older models. As already noted, is itself of its predecessor with better image characteristics.
Yes, we had time a HV30 as a supplementary camera for a few scenes in which the Sony's too big risk. Not nice, really.
Antwort von Alan Smithee:
@ Guest:
Nobody has claimed that the HV30 "professionally", but it was Zizi of the comparative use of this word. A small but crucial difference.
Antwort von Zizi:
I said under 1500 ¬, the HV series Cam is the most professional!
The professionalism is something else I know synonymous!
And I said do not have the same chips as the DSLR but the same technique .. lern du mal read dan can criticize my spelling mistakes!
Rolling shutter, I have already heard of me but never directly struck? That is the problem of light CMOS (auto headlights in the dark, etc.)?
Is that really so störent?
Mir is synonymous noticed the HV20 has a sharper picture as the HV30?
can that be wrong or I am there?
What advantages has the HV30 to HV20 anyway?
except the drive noises and intense colors?
Antwort von mr.cliff:
Rolling shutter, I have already heard of me but never directly struck? That is the problem of light CMOS (auto headlights in the dark, etc.)?
Is that really so störent?
Of course this does not bother if you only s.Tag revolves. As can be synonymous much better occupied six s.den controls play.
Big flaw in my test: On the hand filmed with Image Stabilization in the wide angle to a center hold.
When playing are blurred light, placed s.unterschiedlich
Make slight changes to surface-like blurs. This shortcoming is the Image Stabilization caused. Oh, what should the main Camera profesionelste under 1,500 euros. Everything else comes of itself so to speak, the toys under the RED.
The HV20 was not super, but still better than the HV30. The part is a real step backwards.
Antwort von Marcus_S:
Do not feed the trolls;)
As a home user I'm super satisfied with the U.S. version of the Camera.
Antwort von Zizi:
Count me 3 good reasons why the HV30 to be worse than the HV20?
So all in video magazines was nothing negative to write ... HV30
It would only Color, Micro, CMOS otherwise changed a little, everything is the same .. ?
Antwort von flipmo:
Count me 3 good reasons to Read the thread just because of stand-volatile counting more than three reasons for it. Video Magazine: do you think of the more reliable informants than those who have both cameras in real try?
Just how the Canon part applies. And why 1440x1080 at once FullHD be. And what your video magazines as
to say ;-)
Antwort von Zizi:
Read the thread just because of stand-volatile counting more than three reasons for it. Video Magazine: do you think of the more reliable informants than those who have both cameras in real try?
Just how the Canon part applies. And why 1440x1080 at once FullHD be. And what your video magazines to say because with the HDV FullHD not possible it is quite clear ..
but in almost every line 1440 Cam 1080 FullHD sticker on it ...
Ultimately, the video quality counts and because the HV30 for under 1500 ¬ Cams among the top 3 this!
Why should you not believe a variety of magazines?
ists here at Slashcam it synonymous yes!
I doubt that all of their tests are korrupiert Canon ...
Mir, the HV20 to test images synonymous a bit sharper before.
but in practice I have not seen people or tests are really the opposite.
For me, the Canon HV and HF series the best yet affordable cameras!
Everything else is too expensive or worse ..
Ps: I'm not a Canon Fanboy, but you have to admit it!
