Frage von amlug:
Hello!
I recently purchased the Panasonic HDC-300 and must now follow suit with even cut my computer. After thorough research, I have decided that I will not aim to be able to cut the native AVCHD recordings. However, I wanted a strong enables PC that's enough for me for the foreseeable future - and perhaps the most NLEs are but at some point sufficiently optimized to Nativschnitt is no longer a problem.
(Purpose: Magix Video Deluxe, Photoshop, After Effects, possibly soon (; students Fees ;-), occasional games, secondary)
I would ask for my compilation of an expert opinion, and I also had a few questions:
Processor:
AMD Phenom X4 955 II Motherboard:
Gigabyte MA770T-UD3P RAM:
2x 2048 MB OCZ Platinum 1333MHz CL7 Kit graphics card: 512MB
Sparkle Geforce GTS 250 HDD:
1 TB WD Caviar Black External HDD:
1 TB WD MyBook Home Edition (; difference with Studio Edition? Both have eSata.)
Operating system: Windows 7 is soon to be October of the RC (; I know, only on test systems and so, but liquid at läufts me for months, for regular backups to be taken care of.)
PSU: I thought s.Enermax, but how many watts I need?
Housing: Here I am still looking. Maybe someone has a recommendation of 50 ¬, as simple but elegant with good cooling?
Fan: Is recommended by another CPU fan too? Or extra-quiet chassis fans?
The PC, I would like to order at Mindfactory including assembly. Is this provider recommended?
I'd really appreciate your help!
Thank you and with best regards
Amlug
PS I know that the graphics card is too large to cut, but if I do not synonymous excessively zocke, ichs find a great pity on my new "super computer" (; not relative) to more recent play ... but I am open to alternative suggestions.
Antwort von seTTi:
s.deiner imagine I'd invest 150 euro more in a i7-920 system and possibly favorable GTX260 ne ...
The i7 brings you straight in the multimedia area ggnüber a huge power increase with the phenom, and the GTX260 are you, thanks to CUDA synonymous again a performance boost, especially in programs adobe!
But instead of also reaching ner 1TB internal disk to 2 smaller then you can run in a raid 0 ... brings performance again ... backups can indeed enough to make the external .... sorry that I was not in great detail write but I am very tired ... I run the report again to word of the day: D
Antwort von amlug:
EUR 150 more sounds to me as very optimistic, at least according to my experience in the trial & error with different combinations. And it's just so that this "150 + x more" had long been in the bundle draufgeschlagen Camera + PC. And as I said: Nativschnitt not have to be unconditional.
I am surprised, however, that the benefits of the graphics card but already so high seems to be ... I thought it would come only very slowly. Although I have to synonymous say that I feel the speed when rendering is rather no preference. I want to edit my stuff only in liquid form.
Antwort von Commanderjanke:
one GTX260 is utter nonsense to Cuda if it is then reasonable integrated erstmal should use it properly anyway zuruckgreifen a Quadro, so make the (; nVIDIA) the fact synonymous nichtsagenden in their promo videos!
The Core-i is, however, a good suggestion!
And if the question arises, I have an Nvidia graphics card speed advantage over a ATi is at 0.0%
For power supply size, there is computer on the Internet like this:
http://www.be-quiet.net/calculator.php
500W - 600W, however, be expected to gross an estimated quite ok
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http://www.greycomputer.de/information.php?info_id=2
Basic 60 months full warranty including 36monate pick!
Calculator've already bought there was always satisfied
Antwort von amlug:
Thank you so far. This Netzteilkalkulator is not quite up to date in terms of the possible components ...
Nvidia, I am the way, mainly be considered as ichs always had and have no data on ATI.
Have synonymous already suspected, that will benefit all sides of the i7 recommendation. But the reality is that I find this significant additional cost really would not want to pay. Maybe I should synonymous must clearly point out that HD-cut is actually prioritized my application, and although just not necessarily native AVCHD - Intermediate enough for me perfectly.
After all, what I've read, it would surely even the i7 920 is not sufficient to AVCHD with multiple tracks, color correction and effects may be liquid or less cutting. But at intermediate cut should make the Phenom 955 The same problem yet, or not?
Antwort von Commanderjanke:
The power supply calculator was synonymous only one example, because there's more, the address I had to stop just hand, and too coarse orientation is enough.
As stated graphics card is perfectly fine to indieser no preference of size regulation NV or Ati.
The 2 smaller hard disks as a RAID are synonymous, incidentally a good tip!
AVCHD with multiple tracks and effects are only in cooperation with strong CPU card with a cut possible, it should suffice for your project Config ...
but you never know with computers ists halt quickly enough ;-)
Antwort von amlug:
Well, then I'll stay with AMD. Because of the hard disks I still think the way I do ... at the moment I have the system and Programs on a 150 GB hard drive and split my data on a partitioned 500 GB, which tends slowly towards full, with 150 GB to come up in my movie editing folder.
Distribute Machts sense, system and data not only on different partitions, but synonymous HDDs?
Is my old 500 GB hard drive (; Samsung HD501LJ well) to use yet? (;
Data can be found here.)
Antwort von Daigoro:
Although it is only the (PC Games Hardware, if there were not already ne computer screen ...) and only one program, but unfortunately the only reasonably contribute meaningfully relating to "future":
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/aid,676247/Test-graphics cards accelerate video Editing-with-Power-Director-7/Tools/Test /
Unfortunately, I find the PowerDirector scheusslich fairly stable and does not work for me, but what works is even ok.
(; Not only ok, sometimes even fantastic - rausrendern 720p25 h.264 movie takes hours instead of 20 hours / hour film about 2-3 now! And when you cut / effects / etc farbkorrektur the preview is synonymous in realtime!)
Have it at my house just never made it, the beat of the graphics card with video encoding of '2 d 'operation (, 200 MHz) on the full 600irgendwas bring.
Instead of grand (brains, and ultimately put money) into the Rechnerkunfiguration, one has to keep is the development of the editing software in the eye and, if necessary, then choose what fuer ein Calculator is intended to be.
(Right now, the absence of choice, for the moment only the halt PowerDirector and the plugin CS Premiere Pro and Vegas) ne difficult thing.
Antwort von derhaxn:
I face the same decision as synonymous and Amlug vacillate between the i7 920 and the amd 955BE. However, since the amd is cheaper and also better on the test results con chip.de synonymous in service cuts than the intel i7 920 of synonymous, I tend rather to amd. nevertheless, it makes me a bit puzzled friend here in the forum but most of the intel rather how can we trust the test results of chip and what would be better to speak for the 920s?
because of the nvidia, I'm pretty synonymous unsure what do you think of the sapphire radeon hd series (; zb. 4870)? would you rather recommend gforce gts 250?
Antwort von amlug:
I do not know how Chip.de comes out, but I'm pretty sure that the i7 920 is faster. That is simply a question of money that wants to spend it. What could be better than the 955, is the price / performance ratio ...
And not written because of the Grakas hats Daigoro: support is on the rise, but at the moment seems only PowerDirector (and what I also do not) or professional programs. And even as the premiere student version will cost just 474.81 euros (; normal 1.010,31), the target plugin (then which?) Sure there's an extra. And if I understand it, gehts da synonymous only about rendering, right? At least for me personally this is not as important as cutting fluid ...
(; By the way, may I once again quite unremarkable to my question not yet answered Harddisks next point above? ;-)
Antwort von Daigoro:
And if I understand it, gehts da synonymous only about rendering, right? At least for me personally this is not as important as cutting fluid ... In the case. It is synonymous with CUDA and PureVideo playback, cut and accelerate the effects .. moser actually makes sense and I for years about it, that it is the hitherto non-existent.
Unfortunately for PowerDirector rather limited (only for some effects;) at least in the trial, the rest is somewhat unnecessarily slow in the program. The plug-in for Premiere / Vegas I know personally do not want (but work the same way; article here) when Slashcam.
Everything is still in its infancy, but time goes in the right direction. Path of Boliden GHz towards parallelization.
(; By the way, may I once again quite unremarkable to my question not yet answered Harddisks next point above? ;-) Yes, you can use. If it's still ne IDE disk's can be most closely with the interfaces, if there's old optical Laufweke are available.
Antwort von seTTi:
I face the same decision as synonymous and Amlug vacillate between the i7 920 and the amd 955BE. However, since the amd is cheaper and also better on the test results con chip.de synonymous in service cuts than the intel i7 920 of synonymous, I tend rather to amd. The 955BE is vll in a HANDFUL play a few FPS better than the i7 ... so ... so ... then überleg times ... but who has the Phenom i7 2.66 GHz and 3.2 ...
simply relates to the fact that some games are not optimized for these multicore processors ... VERY different from the other hand, sees in the range from multumedialen! Here let me just say once benchmarks:
Click It speaks for itself;)
In addition, an adequate i7 system is currently only about 100 euro more expensive than a comparable system 955BE an investment that, in my opinion for more than worthwhile.
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Antwort von Linse Jo:
REVIEWS in the topic "journals":
FORGET THE! Have since seen some things, such as is used in photography ne Pentax Camera for testing of shooting, as she returns ONLY under the same conditions synonymous always exactly the same exposure times.
Curiously, this coincides precisely with Camera Camera-tests always far back. But what is more important than precise exposure time ne?? Perfect Photos gibts mal now only with accurate exposure, but Pentax makes the gentlemen editors probably too little advertising ... :-(;
The fact is that Intel processors are patented circuits, which have complicated emulate the people of AMD, which takes time. And these circuits make an Intel-processor to speed up some reason for multimedia. Quote from the system of Pinnacle Studio 12 Ultimate:
Intel Pentium or AMD Athlon 1.8 GHz or higher (; 2.4 GHZ recommended)
Intel Pentium HT or AMD Athlon 2.4 GHz or 1.6 GHz Dual core required for Windows Vista
(Intel Core 2 Duo 2.4 GHz required for AVCHD, 2.66 GHz for AVCHD 1920) Only then did nothing of AMD stands for AVCHD .....
Must make every even a picture, especially since some software Manufacturer optimize their products through sponsorship for specific processors.
Antwort von amlug:
Well, but since AMD is cheaper, you get maybe s.end but the same performance for the same money ...? Just an idea ;-)
Anyway, I thank everyone, I'm going to durchrechnen again with the i7, but still tend to 955th I mean, for intermediate ranges of the cut but probably forever, and native AVCHD is synonymous with the i7 is not possible to be really good (;) according to forum reports.
Regards
Amlug
Antwort von Daigoro:
Well, but since AMD is cheaper, you get maybe s.end but the same performance for the same money ...? Just an idea ;-)
Anyway, I thank everyone, I'm going to durchrechnen again with the i7, but still tend to 955th I mean, for intermediate ranges of the cut but probably forever, and native AVCHD is synonymous with the i7 is not possible to be really good (;) according to forum reports.
Regards
Amlug This will all be idle if the software is finally doing what it can be for years.
Even if the i7 twice as fast as a Phenom would be - that's when kleckerleskram CUDA & PureVideoHD now 20x as fast as the i7 and only reasonable, consistent and stable support needs.
Has lasted long enough, but yes, there's so slow, the first consumer solutions with GPU acceleration.
Antwort von amlug:
In other words, rather make less time worrying about the CPU, a decent graphics card tuck and still have a little patience until the GPU support is finally arrived? If the GTS 250 because in order?
Antwort von Commanderjanke:
In other words, rather make less time worrying about the CPU, a decent graphics card tuck and still have a little patience until the GPU support is finally arrived? If the GTS 250 because in order? CUDA & PureVideoHD already 20x then the i7 and only reasonable, consistent and stable support needs. And that goes right into whole fixed, finally, yes synonymous with the multicore support RUCK-ZUCK worked!
So I would now prefer not to share power Prozzessor if ... if so with the assistance of the GPU has-faultless solutions is the GTS already hopelessly out of date anyway!
Undich again wanted to point out the real CUDA acceleration only with the
Nvidia Quadro cards of possible !!!!!
The fact is that Intel processors are patented circuits, which have complicated emulate the people of AMD, which takes time. And these circuits make an Intel-processor to speed up some reason for multimedia. Quote from the system of Pinnacle Studio 12 Ultimate How do you explain then the AMD Athlon in the generation of the Intel CPU's lying?? Emulation is already faster than the original operation?
Antwort von amlug:
How nice that all opinions are one ;-)
And I guess the views on AMD / Intel behave like those on Windows / Mac ...
Antwort von Commanderjanke:
How nice that all opinions are one ;-)
And I guess the views on AMD / Intel behave like those on Windows / Mac ... Bervorzuge I had none of the two, was once again front and AMD jetzte Intel (; in terms of power peaks) have both I could never complain.
There is for each intended use and budget the right processor!
Moreover, what I said about Cuda, there can be no 2 opinions, Normal s.Shader 2.0 Nvidia cards are used by CUDA plug-ins only Rudimentary some effect, means faster real Cuda herausrendern by an optimized on Cuda H264. Codec (; the Money costs).
And this is supported only nunmal of Geforce Quadro cards (; the cost even more money)
Antwort von canti:
AVCHD editing is on my i7 920 editable at 2.6 Ghz with Geforce 260gtx and 6gig Ram in the CS4 in real time as long as one does not add any effects. So Fast color correction and such things. Then jerk fängts see at. If you runterschraubt display quality läufts synonymous liquid again. I guess the same could be circumvented by overclock. With an ordinary fan that is synonymous quite well, I get comfortable on my 3.4 - 3.6. And 3.8 is, but that is somewhat critical.
How much and whether it significantly more in DV editing brings I can not say I have not tried. The rendering of 3D scenes makes it a huge advantage.
Whether an i7 is worth the money, I can not say I lack the direct comparison with an AMD. The hyperthreading when rendered certainly makes itself clearly felt.
In CUDA I would not leave alzusehr. It is currently programmed so hard though, but according to c't are in the area a few changes expected. Both with DirectX 11 as synonymous OpenCL to build more or less hardware independent interfaces. And if this should be so I could well imagine that the software manufacturers tend to take this path as Hardware-programming languages such as CUDA or Brook + support.
Antwort von Daigoro:
Undich again wanted to point out the real CUDA acceleration only with the Nvidia Quadro cards of possible !!!!!
Now, there's already in the 'real' and 'false'. Aha.
Also of the hardware manufactures are Quadros as identical with the 'normal' G92ern that can enhance that by simply nen hack on Quadro '. Is therefore at the most basic nVidia's positioning strategy for 'not true' CUDA acceleration.
So I would now prefer to put more power on Prozzessor
If the i7 platform for HD cut lift easily could, it would be an option. Do they not without crutches, and increased money used.
Antwort von bigaxl:
If the i7 platform for HD cut lift easily could, it would be an option. Do they not without crutches, and increased money used. What exactly do you usually with a crutch and that with increased use of money? I have namely a i7 system and even cut the files from the 5D mk II natively. So what?
Antwort von Daigoro:
If the i7 platform for HD cut lift easily could, it would be an option. Do they not without crutches, and increased money used.
What exactly do you usually with a crutch and that with increased use of money? I have namely a i7 system and even cut the files from the 5D mk II natively. So what? What do you mean with "native cut"? 3 scenes together and rausrendern smart?
Have to adjust crutches: intermediates, lower Vorschauaufloesung, pre-rendering, Workflow's material (, so color correction, etc. until the very s.schluss, because we do more computationally intensive with no further steps need to lug).
Money used: i7's are of 2.66 MHz with Boxed Cooler (; expensive enough S.250 euros) with nem Standards Board (; expensive enough p.100 euros) to the above-mentioned at 3.4-3.8 GHz (; native s .800 Euros, or stop-clocked) model with an appropriate environment (; since lain ma) for 4-digit's system.
And ne 50 euro graphics card, the system with appropriate schlaegt Softwareunterstuetzung so harshly that you could just use the money to cigarette synonymous.
Antwort von bigaxl:
What do you mean with "native cut"? 3 scenes together and rausrendern smart? That
Have to adjust crutches: intermediates, lower Vorschauaufloesung, Workflow's material (, so color correction, etc. until the very s.schluss, because we do more computationally intensive with no further steps need to lug).
I do not need anything.
Antwort von Daigoro:
What do you mean with "native cut"? 3 scenes together and rausrendern smart?
That I mean.
Have to adjust crutches: intermediates, lower Vorschauaufloesung, Workflow's material (, so color correction, etc. until the very s.schluss, because we do more computationally intensive with no further steps need to lug).
I do not need anything. Ermm .... So proxy files need the 1.5 x O-time to render are therefore not 'Krueck' and 'native'?
I think we have a slightly different understanding of 'virgin' section.
Make the time 10 hours with the source material. : S
ps this is for ne schnickelschnell the i7 CPU and generate proxy files on the weaker Calculator nem take much longer would I do not dispute - that it preserves the quality, I do not deny, and is synonymous ne sache is good, but it * my * definition * * not native (;), he cut, what you're doing.
Antwort von bigaxl:
I think we have a slightly different understanding of 'virgin' section.
It is quite possible, but native is a concept without definition scope.
Nativ = Natural / Unmodified
Ermm .... So proxy files need the 1.5 x O-time to render are therefore not 'Krueck' and 'native'?
Make the time 10 hours with the source material. So much footage is part of a larger project. Measured s.dem total expense is there in any case, enough time to do this evening to the timeline and to take care of s.dem morning at the post office.
... * but * it is my definition to * not * natively (;), he cut, what you're doing. See above ...
Regardless of all Weltanschaungen it is lossless and absturzfrei. Too good German, in practice it works just fine.
Antwort von Commanderjanke:
Undich again wanted to point out the real CUDA acceleration only with the Nvidia Quadro cards of possible !!!!!
Now, there's already in the 'real' and 'false'. Aha.
With true I think that is fully satisfying with the accelerated rendering
Also of the hardware manufactures are Quadros as identical with the 'normal' G92ern that can enhance that by simply nen hack on Quadro '. Is therefore at the most basic nVidia's positioning strategy for 'not true' CUDA acceleration. How this works only on newer cards any more, and hack the drivers are not synonymous really stable, besides the codec will still cost money!
And apart from bringing him if he wants to native cut .... nothing!
Antwort von amlug:
And apart from bringing him if he wants to native cut .... nothing!
Will he do not even necessarily ... synonymous, as already mentioned ...
But now, yes, my uncertainty is increasing with every post, but the trade disputes here in the forum are still pursuing a loan always a pleasure to ... ;-)
Antwort von Daigoro:
But now, yes, my uncertainty is increasing with every post ... Yes, (at the moment, or better, since AVCHD / h.264 their way without the 'total solution found' in Konsumerkameras have) it is (not easily found at the optimum, especially when you yourself do not know exactly what to expect one) .
You can read more money for putting more power in Itel, but as you see, that's enough for 'native' section of the material and not from the 'crutches' can just go with AMD, only slightly slower accordingly.
Depends on your patience and your expectations.
If you want to upgrade, at the moment seems a good time, as new platforms have their 'early adopter' aufschlag are mostly wrong, do not expect huge price cuts to further unbeding and direction rather wider range of products is designed to place (in the foreseeable future; 6 -- 12 months) was thrown completely new to the market.
Oh yes ... some of the ancestral questions I had forgotten:
CPU Cooler: Scythian (; Mugen zb)
Shells: Antec (; eg the 300/threehundred) (- whose power supplies; Earth Watts) are synonymous not so bad - good Shells of Lian Li costs like 150 +
And Mindfactory rather not. They have probably in the whole online portals, 70-80% positive reviews, but the remaining 20-30% are total failure.
Alternate or Atelco been consistently (positive experience, worth in itself Atelco's nachzuschaun whether ne branch in the vicinity), or if it will be favorable, csv direct.de
Antwort von amlug:
Hey, (thanks in particular to the "rescue" before Mindfactory, I was) just about to order, too! So now I stay with AMD and finally to the same with the recommended fan.
I just wonder if I am already defines the Intermediate section, though I do not like just the 940BE (; will take AM2 +), which is only slightly slower, but motherboard and DDR2 RAM are cheaper - DDR3 will anyway only a homeopathic take advantage. The saved money I could invest in an insulated case and quiet fan.
4 GB of RAM are actually ok, or should I (take equal to 8 GB, it could on the other) to upgrade later, still yes?
Csv provide direct and Atelco (; are actually a branch here) as synonymous to assemble?
Regards, Amlug
Antwort von Daigoro:
I just wonder if I am already defines the Intermediate section, though I do not like just the 940BE (; will take AM2 +), which is only slightly slower, but motherboard and DDR2 RAM are cheaper - DDR3 will anyway only a homeopathic take advantage. The saved money I could invest in an insulated case and quiet fan.
AM3 and DDR3 are in any case, the slightly better investment in ne later be upgraded.
If so depends, in 1-2 years so that what you are thinking of. With AM2 + and DDR2 you have to change completely if you wanted to upgrade.
4 GB of RAM are actually ok, or should I (take equal to 8 GB, it could on the other) to upgrade later, still yes?
With 64bit OS and nem QuadCore should, if the money is not too short to put even the 8GB. Come on it synonymous s.wie the board is fitted. When da 4 Speicherbaenke can be used without restrictions, are now synonymous 2x2GB and subsequent upgrading ne option.
Csv provide direct and Atelco (; are actually a branch here) as synonymous to assemble?
Yes. In Atelco there's even 5 years warranty on the complete system.
True, these are a bit more expensive than the cheapest supplier, this is the assembly of some favorable (; currently back 20, - euro, last month there's yet ne action for 10, -) and (branches, Rhein-Main area) at which I was previously, although chronically understaffed but very friendly and accommodating.
I have not yet experienced with Mindfactory and wants to make synonymous not bad, but the evaluations (on the Internet, yes, there is now a few thousand) would I just order for there to be mixed at several hundred dollars matters. If you have pitch and one of 'total failure' shipments hit (; defective goods and for weeks nachhaken) under warranty, you will not synonymous with the cheaper price happy.
Antwort von amlug:
Then again many thanks for advice and instructions! Provided that all questions would be clarified soon as possible, I will order the thing ...
