Frage von DennisP.:
Hello!
I am currently faced with the question whether I have a Canon HV30 or AVCHD Cam (eg HF100) buy.
I would like to use the Camera shorts with my friends and of course to produce at home here and there a few shots to make. At the moment I have a Canon MVX20i and Premiere Pro 2.0.
Now I wonder whether I see a HDV or AVCHD Cam-Cam buy. Since the films eh only of the DVD to be played small festivals, always remains s.Ende only the quality over SD, synonymous naturally better when it looks as if the same film in SD. But should I now AVCHD Cam and buy the material on the computer and pull it directly into SD, convert, or prefer to buy the HV30 and the Matrial cut in HDV and then afterwards convert the advantage here would be that I film still in HDV quality on the hard drive and not only did everything in SD. Advantage in AVCHD would be my opinion that I am going of the cassettes come, because I personally dealing with SD cards much easier to find. Moreover, it is also full HD and not "just" HDV, what I believe the future is more secure. While I currently only Premiere Pro 2.0 and a second calculator, which is now not enough for AVCHD, but I agree it is not sufficient in the next 2-3 years, a new calculator with Premiere CS4, which then wiedr AVCHD would fit. Then I would have ever, at least with the Cam ausgesorgt for the next few years. One can not deny that there is significantly less than HDV cams AVCHD cams, and there are more Imme. Thus my favorite moment in the AVCHD Cam CIH synonymous if the material at the moment have always the same in SD would convert.
What would be your favorite in the field AVCHD Cam under 700euro? Also, the HF100? And how can I most effectively the AVCHD footage from the cam in SD to convert it into Premiere Pro 2.0 to edit.
What is your general opinion of my projects?
Antwort von deti:
Hello Dennis,
in principle you have in your already-offs all the advantages and disadvantages of both systems correctly analyzed.
HDV will be withdrawn from the market in favor of AVCHD systems disappear. It remains only to say that there was hardly any visible difference between Full HD and anamorphic 1440er the HDV format.
It is not synonymous to the material needed for editing in SD quality convert. You could so the AVCHD files synonymous easily convert 1080i50 MPEG2 and SD only when rendering output. SD usually looks down is still better than SD directly with filmed material (if you're not just between amateur and pro-HD-SD Camera compares).
Personally, I would thee synonymous to an RF-100 advised, because there is less wear parts are there and the camera man with "something" more serene way.
Nevertheless, you should think about where and how your want to cancel the long run films. Should HD-quality for you but one day play a role, then clearly the cost of space. There are several possibilities:
- External RAID systems, you have universal gigabit network of all computers can reach (eg as a 1TB Raid 1 of Raidsonic ~ 300 ¬ for a good backup).
- Conventional DVDs to fit best, 8GB data - ranging from HD for only a short mess to, but is an inexpensive solution (~ 3 ¬ / 8GB with questionable long-term durability).
- Flash memory: SSDs, SDHC, cards, USB sticks - all of these solutions are very expensive and not really suitable for archiving.
- A BD-burner is currently and will probably synonymous in years for ordinary consumers do not worthwhile investment.
Deti
Antwort von tillbaer:
Hello Dennis,
I can only endorse Deti. The HF100 is currently an almost unbelievable price / performance ratio. I myself have bought me several HV30 and just think about whether I sell it back to me and HF100 or HF11 buy.
Sure archiving HDV is still very simple. But the synonymous HDV filmmakers must sometime thought to how they want to archive scenes. After sometime when it's not HDV cams any more, we use the tapes no longer synonymous.
This point I would therefore ignore.
If today I would buy new cams, then AVCHD. But at the moment, I think that synonymous AVCHD no real future potential. Why should I do for a second time Money "burned"? Who knows what is in the DSLR's doing? Who knows whether new format coming soon?
There is nothing else you like (as all of us), just as the Cam to choose what you like of the quality and handling of her s.meisten them. Who says that consumers will ever be ready for high technical quality spend money? My girlfriend looks on their favorite series on Youtube. Many of us listen to mp3's in 128kBs instead of CD's to buy.
Maybe Full HD remains synonymous stuck somewhere, or is limited to movies.
But on the issue's already the BluRay thread.
Just made sense. Your question was so, or something like that so often asked - and could never be satisfactorily answered.
Liebe Grüße - Til.
Antwort von DennisP.:
Thank you, you gave me very helpful, I would have 2 questions however are:
1. The archiving! I have currently set mediocre laptop 2x 2Ghz Dual Core, 2GB Ram, Vista Home Premium and an external 500GB hard drive, all of Toshiba, now I play with the idea to me again the same plate to get so nochmla the board of Toshiba 500GB costs so synonymous only to 60Euro. But have you forsaken me something if you voted nachdnklich about Raid-systems wrote, I've ever heard of them, however nciht knows exactly what it is. Therefore, I wonder now making a RAID system with 1TB of memory much more power than the s.meinem laptop 2x500GB disks via USB angestöpselt be?
This still an issue s.Rande how long stay hard at all, I think at the moment I make my backups to external hard drive, but if there auhc even now all my movies raufkommen, it may be that in a few years the Festplatctce abschmirt and all my movies are gone forever? Mini-DV tapes, however, keep forever, if you look at someone so you can make everything synonymous by DV - In a tape to play when the loss of quality in the purchase wishes. Or how it looks with the durability of DVDs, keep for a lifetime?
2. You've written I can do AVCHD footage on the hard drive and drag it into "normal" Full-HD convert to it in Premire Pro 2.0 with the project settings "Adobe HD-SDI 1080i 25" handle. What should I do? How can cihd material such as AVCHD format? Preferably free?
Antwort von Daigoro:
So if you always only SD output devices for films, is an upgrade at the moment rather unnecessary (unless you have money lying grad and want to spend it or you absolutely spekulierst next to a rising dollar, which will make electronics more expensive).
The bit runterkonvertiertes HD material may look better (at least in the consumer area - with lots of limitations and often looks like synonymous worse), you can synonymous with little artificial Nachschaerfen reach.
As comfortable as with DV Avi is the intersection with other formats, yet a long time probably will not.
And I found the MVX (was 25) in Comparison to the current cameras very ergonomically.
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
But the synonymous HDV filmmakers must sometime thought to how they want to archive scenes. After sometime when it's not HDV cams any more, we use the tapes no longer synonymous. This is really no problem!
Antwort von DennisP.:
Heat is not synonymous to get the idea when my MVX would not break in and repair of nearly 300euro (for the exchange of the firewire port in the other) it is more likely to put 300 on it and a new HD-Cam to buy.
Antwort von Daigoro:
Ah, pity - well, then SD is no longer so much sense.
The usability and value of the MVX vermiss I still do. If I believe neither ne HF100 or HV30 still ran HC9.
Antwort von deti:
The first point is that the archives on a Raid-1 system is almost infinitely long shelf life, if you recognize that defects in time and the affected disk is shared. More information at
Wikipedia.
Selbstgebrannte DVDs können schon nach sehr kurzer Zeit <5 Jahre nicht mehr lesbar sein. More information gibt's bei
heise.de. For the second point: The editing software has not absolutely can import AVCHD directly. The only important thing is that they deal with MPEG2 1080i50 can. There are plenty of utilities with which the AVCHD files to MPEG2 to convert. Here, however, to note that the coding efficiency by a factor of 1.5 worse. Thus, a 17Mbit / s H.264 AVC stream in 25MBit / s MPEG2 convert to no loss of quality to suffer. The cost of course synonymous to 50% more space, so at least for archiving the original files in the AVCHD format should provide.
For example, this tool is appropriate:
Antwort von DennisP.:
Thanks for all the answers in advance.
I just Fxsupport.de Page of Wolfgang's native raw material of the HF100 downloaded to the workflow on my calculator to test. However, I have a problem when I click on the clip, the message Windows process (Rundll32) does not work anymore and there is nothing more, of all the Programs and wear is nothing more I can do, I've already tried everything, it is now s. my calculator or s.dem material, there is somewhere else synonymous native AVCHD footage (of the HF100) to download?
Achso and vllt. kann mir jmd to say how much capacity one hours AVCHD material consumed?
Antwort von RickyMartini:
Thanks for all the answers in advance.
I just Fxsupport.de Page of Wolfgang's native raw material of the HF100 downloaded to the workflow on my calculator to test. However, I have a problem when I click on the clip, the message Windows process (Rundll32) does not work anymore and there is nothing more, of all the Programs and wear is nothing more I can do, I've already tried everything, it is now s. my calculator or s.dem material, there is somewhere else synonymous native AVCHD footage (of the HF100) to download?
Achso and vllt. kann mir jmd to say how much capacity one hours AVCHD material consumed? Without a decoder for H.264 (eg PowerDVD 8 Ultra) you can not correct these videos to play.
Windows fails while interpreting the data and the Explorer stürtzt from.
The problem, however, there is synonymous with other codecs and with defective video / picture files. XP and Vista, unfortunately, have this unpleasant habit. ;)
Antwort von DennisP.:
Free tool for this?
Antwort von deti:
Free is synonymous's: The 7 beta DivX codecs for h.264, together with the Haali Media Splitter installed. See http://www.heise.de/newsticker/DivX-7-naehert-sich-der-Vollendung--/meldung/118633
That's enough for viewing of. "MTS" files with the Windows Media Player.
For Transcoding MPEG2 can
Avisynth
Mehr Infos here. That makes much more to stop labor, but who wants to save ¬ 25, must stop a few hours to spend with Frickeln ;-)
Deti
Antwort von WoWu:
Here, however, to note that the coding efficiency by a factor of 1.5 worse. Thus, a 17Mbit / s H.264 AVC stream in 25MBit / s MPEG2 convert to no loss of quality to suffer. A loss of quality you have in one way or the conversion of an MPEG2, regardless of the data, because neither MPEG 2 with 4x4 pixel resolutions can circumvent even the advanced tool that supports color.
But some see's halt, others are not ....
If you want to use afterwards BR, denk s.die limited format support of BR:
In HDV (MPEG2 1440) you'll get nothing in BR, 1080 is just as i25 and p24 supported, 1440 only natively in AVCHD (i25 and p24) - but not both HDMI format. But again 720p50.
So, a close look before you buy and know what you want to do with it afterwards ...
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
I make the "current tape" Blu-rays from HDV material with the best result. That is no problem and even garnicht a restriction.
I had this time a Kamea AVCHD (Panasonic HDC-SD100) for a 4-week trial. This was in comparison to HDV partly disastrous results despite 3-chip technology and the running of the 4x4 pixels Resolutions tool for advanced color processing.
Antwort von Schleichmichel:
The Panasonic Rough Resolutionhat, is well known. HF100 no comparison to similar The Panasonic is simply "use".
Antwort von deti:
A loss of quality you have in one way or the conversion of an MPEG2, regardless of the data, because neither MPEG 2 with 4x4 pixel resolutions can circumvent even the advanced tool that supports color.
But some see's halt, others are not ....
That's true, but in the original posting was the talk of the movies in SD quality on DVD to burn. Because IMHO, it should make no difference whether you're in front of a small handling transcoding loss.
Of course you can synonymous 80 ¬ in new editing software to invest AVCHD footage natively edit it (but this contradicts the desire that it be free if possible).
Deti
Antwort von Meggs:
I had this time a Kamea AVCHD (Panasonic HDC-SD100) for a 4-week trial. This was in comparison to HDV partly disastrous results despite 3-chip technology and the running of the 4x4 pixels Resolutions tool for advanced color processing. The final quality depends of many factors, not only by the codec used in the storage.
Antwort von Daigoro:
While I currently only Premiere Pro 2.0 and a second calculator, which is now not enough for AVCHD, but I agree it is not sufficient in the next 2-3 years, a new calculator with Premiere CS4, which then wiedr AVCHD would fit.
So in terms of much speaks for HDV.
I did not particularly synonymous fixed Calculator. C2D 2GHz - actually enough for AVCHD, HDV, but it NEN tick better.
My old editing program (Ulead Media Studio Pro 8.0) supports HDV, but not AVCHD (lad thee times the HDV clips of FXsupport down and look like with PP2 goes - should be supported natively).
I find the tapes, all in all practical s.Ende of the day (you * can * the material to secure extra hard drive, but still has the tapes that you cool and dry storage synonymous pretty good archive can).
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Bruno
I make the "current tape" Blu-rays from HDV material with the best result. But certainly not with native 1440 MPEG2 material, because BR does not support MPEG-2 H-14 but in 1440 only AVC material ....
(See specifications BR)
@ deti
in the original posting was the talk of the movies in SD quality on DVD to burn. Because IMHO, it should make no difference whether you're in front of a small handling transcoding loss. Jau, that is true, on the SD goal, I no longer respected. Sorry
