Frage von streaming pictures:
Wonderful evening together,
so far, I have my SD video streams for very simple on the MS Movie Maker with 1.5 Mbit / Sec done with fairly good results (see www.StreamYourDream.eu).
Following the acquisition of an HDR-FX7, I am now facing the following problem: I use Premiere Pro 2.0. On which routes / detours I create a high quality HD stream for the Internet, s.besten for the MS Media Player, to the distress synonymous for Quicktime? The stream should be possible, the 1.5 Mbit / Sec does not exceed, Not quite so for the 2 Mbit / Sec.
(Suggestion: In this forum you can find great, even for ne Slamisemmel own forums chapter. What's with web streaming?)
Greetings from Munich, Roland ...
Antwort von Basti.S:
well what hd with 1.5 Mbit / sec, then maybe cut HDV,
the results in mpeg2/sd (main concept codec) 16:9 rausrendern
and then with the media encoder to convert wmv ....
(Which looks like this: http://www.cj4design.de/video/stuff.htm)
gruß cj
Antwort von Axel:
well what hd with 1.5 Mbit / sec, then maybe cut HDV,
the results in mpeg2/sd (main concept codec) 16:9 rausrendern
and then with the media encoder to convert wmv ....
(Which looks like this: http://www.cj4design.de/video/stuff.htm)
gruß cj Well, cj, I will be in Quicktime (wmv component), the WMV Player VLC as synonymous in most videos (eg "music port") only as 720 x 576 display, not even square pixels, and is not synonymous in 16:9, but distorted. The frame rate is 24.83, which may ease Jerkiness says despite low data rate (?)
The video "Hafenflimmer" on the other hand, the (mostly) correct aspect ratio of 720 x 404 (405 would be correct) and with 25 B / s showed smooth. If the Mac or s.meinem now you have charged?
Antwort von Basti.S:
hmm. yes the one is the mpeg2/sd 16:9 from procoderexpress
(should actually be correct), the other is with the Media Encoder 9
from the mpeg2 created.
the encoder, I have the aspect ratio and
30fps (because 25fps to 20fps why are synonymous always) set ...
the aspect ratio for these wmvs can be found in the vlc player (win) right
Simply switch to 16:9 and then it is (up to 24.8 xfps) synonymous ok.
I wanted synonymous not pretend that I'm the encoder crack .....
on the vlc player is holding it correctly and with good quality ....
for web synonymous flash would probably be a good alternative
(I have not yet done).
but thanks for the info it with quicktime mac aufm not.
gruß cj
Antwort von Wiro:
... thanks for the info it with quicktime aufm mac does not work Noch ne Info:
On the PC with the WMP is not synonymous - there will be a compressed picture, because the WMP does not know nichtquadratischen pixels.
The correct output would be 1024x576 deinterlaced square.
Then it would be at all possible players and plug-ins to run properly.
Similarly, when asked after the HDV - video:
Correctly is 1920x1080 square deinterlaced. Since hardly anyone on his Player can take 960x540px - that runs at 1.5 Mbit smooth and with excellent quality better on every computer.
Gruss Wiro
Antwort von Basti.S:
"The correct output would be 1024x576 deinterlaced square.
Then it would be at all possible players and plug-ins to run properly. "
thanks for the info, this is actually runs a mpeg2 format?
In any case I will change settings in the encoder.
gruß cj
Antwort von Wiro:
Why MPEG2?
We talk but of the possibility of an Internet stream AP2.0 out. Who over the network on any media player will be playable. I think because not s.MPEG but s.WMV. I think it is a bad joke, the HDV material after SD to MPEG and then convert it into a WMV stream to make.
Gruss Wiro
Antwort von Basti.S:
na ja was not a bad joke but comfort ...
because it is for dvd / sd was converted and so the 2nd
conversion could be outsourced.
if the pixel ratio of no of wmv mpeg2 can be
is of course rubbish in the 2nd step to make ...
Then we come to be synonymous with your proposal ... 960x540 (interlaced?)
gruß cj
Antwort von Axel:
.... then we come to be synonymous with your proposal ... 960x540 (interlaced?) Since exactly every second line is missing: deinterlaced.
Antwort von streaming pictures:
Hi cj, Wiro hello, thank you for your mutual discussions, but did not someone an idea about the problem the "funzt"? Schaut euch doch mal on the Page of Apple - Quicktime movie trailer in HD at how the guys do that?! Or, the absolute About Hammer (of course, synonymous price, which is encoding for a minute HD-ready costs for the film freaks as about 4,000, - Euro) you can find at www.StreamTv.at. So high I do not fly, but still: What the hell, and with what, I encode the HDV source into a reasonably-screen format? Greetings from Munich, Roland ...
Antwort von Axel:
Schaut euch doch mal on the Page of Apple - Quicktime movie trailer in HD at how the guys do that?! With Mpeg4, in the form of H.264 (Quicktime). I myself have 3 min 1080p at 70 MB in size brought on stream, of course, still inadequate. But with
X.264 (free download link) are likely to 480p for most of links is no problem anymore. You need a bit of experimenting with how much the data rate can go down, without that the quality suffers. X.264 renders faster than H.264, but for best quality you have to bring a bit of patience. WMVs are worse in any case!
Antwort von Benutzername:
hi roland,
ich hab die seite unfortunately can not watch, but you have
with the times it said 960x540 wmv format probiert ...
straight through the best of deinterlace hd material should be a
very good results ...
at least if the data agrees ...
of hd-streaming formats, I have not heard ...
are practically synonymous not particularly popular at a monitor resolution
of 1280x1024, but perhaps there are still infos.
gruß cj
Antwort von Wiro:
What the hell, and with what, I encode the HDV source into a reasonably-screen format? Greetings from Munich, Roland ... The top but I've already written - Make it simple. Where is the problem?
If you take the recommended 960x540 rather go to 1280x720, then you should see a bitrate of 2 Mbps, so it reasonable way. These are standard web practices. Because on my timeline grade HDV material lies I look at the Fast 2 small examples rausrechnen leave. The first one is encoded with 1500 kBit, the other with the 2000th
http://www.bdfa.de/_960x540.wmvhttp://www.bdfa.de/_1280x720.wmv Gruss Wiro
Antwort von Hugendubel:
Cj Hallo, hallo Wiro, now hats "gefunkt". 1.5 The example does a Network Server Error (or something similar), but the next example is geil. Document to experiment, which has next to me really helped, merci. Check out (plug in or not) on occasion but really trying the example on www.StreamTv.s.an, it's the best with what I'm on the subject so far have seen (so you the wherewithal to spare). Greetings from Munich, frohes streaming, Roland
Antwort von Wiro:
... Now hats "gefunkt" Na primavera. Is not a science, something to do ;-))
Re: HDV streaming StreamTv.at
Fairly expensive affair, because you're right.
But then something special is not that if the conditions more closely.
As a starting material, they IMX, HDCAM or DVCPRO HD.
This will be converted into. Wmv,. Mov and. Rm, each in the sizes
720x405 / 768 kbit
1024x576 / 1500 kbit
1280x 720 / 2300 kbit
The whole thing comes to a special streaming server and ready.
Since the streaming server is the property, with the client PC to communicate interactively, it is true streaming (ie without Preload) is possible.
All prof. Server, the video content offering are streaming server. Not to be confused with ordinary web servers.
Gruss Wiro
Antwort von Hugendubel:
Hi Wiro, yeah, ok already with the streaming servers, not to be confused with normal webservers, but you know: Mühsam fed the squirrels - so step by step ... Regards, Roland
Antwort von UFOhunter:
Hello!
The main question is probably more in the direction of how to build a (streamfähige) video file with the best possible HD picture quality is generated.
For Adobe Premiere, I would recommend:
1. Exporting the video as an uncompressed AVI file. In the right setting for the Deinterlacing ensured. Image already in the export correctly.
CAUTION: If the uncompressed file after the export was not good, you have to export settings s.den upside down again until it fits.
If the video is longer, the resulting file is of course huge. Then you should see if you are not directly Premieres timeline out Windows Media files with full quality-how. After my experience provides the built-Export World Cup but never as good results, as described on the AVI detour.
2. Then in the Windows Media Encoder with the desired bit rate encoding. The higher the better. Only one should of course bear in mind that not every user has DSL 2000, and this is not synonymous any Web or streaming server can really deliver.
Many greetings,
Daniel
Antwort von www-streamingkit-de:
Better times before login ...
Daniel
Antwort von Wiro:
Well, really it is not clear what the Threaderöffner actually wanted. He called streaming pictures and notes as a reference to a website streaming pictures.eu ", which is a video production / video marketing / video hosting occurs.
Furthermore, he writes that he has his Webclips with the Movie Maker has created and now-FX7 HDV online wants. Somehow this does not fit together quite so.
But he writes so that it now had gefunkt.
Then everything is clear.
Gruss Wiro
Antwort von Hugendubel:
Hi Wiro, may be that this is not from your point of view everything together ... In my view, been: My company, streaming Pictures, has small spots in low-cost area for companies rotated Munich. (The pizzeria around the corner, the flowers stand s.Viktualienmarkt, especially for the real estate industry the villa in Bogenhausen, etc.), all in SD, with two approximately 8 years old 1-Chiplern, with MS Movie Maker encoded, and with 1.5 to 2.1 Mbps as a stream into the network (see www.StreamYourDream.eu).
This quality is sufficient for this kind of spots perfectly. Now I have a Sony FX-7-invested, and had no idea how to HDV streams-so far, I always assumed that this is an extra streaming procedures required. Some e-mails with the American company austria StreamTv.s.bestätigen actually synonymous me is that they exist.
Wiro, thank you for your critique - but I thought that these forums are there, if one has something no Peil? You have me so synonymous in the approach really helped (merci synonymous s.den ghostwriter). Greetings from Munich s.die round, Roland
Antwort von TheBubble:
with MS Movie Maker encoded, and with 1.5 to 2.1 Mbps as a stream-line The data is for a real stream (not in advance by downloading whole or in part, but in which, during playback, so many data are transferred, as they are needed for playback) IMO still too high, since many users have no connection with > 2 Mbit / s downstream disposal. I suspect, however, you mean no real streams, but files of limited length (similar to movie trailers), before the start of the play perfectly to a large extent can be downloaded and the user has to wait just as long.
For HD resolutions you have to increase the data next.
Antwort von Hugendubel:
TheBubble Hello, I know this problem, because my 2.1 Mbit streams with fish in my friend circle already powerful s.Digitalhusten to get, if someone only a 3 Mbit DSL rate.
Would be synonymous with a download stream (I do not know what the real term is) right, in which only a certain amount of data in the buffer is loaded before playback begins. My only problem is that all the encoding I have such options do not have. The universally praised much of Sorenson Squeeze, I viewed (I think that part of synonymous-AVID Xpress Pro), but there synonymous such options do not.
Regards, Roland
Antwort von www-streamingkit-de:
Hugendubel Hello,
There are basically three types, a video on the Internet "extradite"
1. "Traditional download: Is there actually very rare, since the entire video file only to be completely downloaded. But on some private websites, this "bad habit" vsbei Quicktime files yet represented. It looks like this: You click on the video link, and then you sit for a while just in front of a white screen, and thinks. Oh, yes there is nothing. But then after few minutes of the movie then maybe on :-)
2. That what you mean, is "progressive streaming". Since the movie is basically synonymous downloaded. The player starts with the playing of the video, when he "thinks" (ie, calculated), that at constant data rate of the film until the end would have to go through.
This procedure requires, for example, YouTube. It should not be in shooting of about 10 minutes in length are used, otherwise a longer waiting time synonymous in the film can arise.
3. The "Royal" in Internet video is about 10 years since the "true streaming" / "Realtime Streaming". This works only with specific video servers, such as the Windows Media Server, Real Media or Flash Media Server.
Through the use of specific protocols (RTSP and MMS), the data for the same image quality is reduced, which helps avoid deadlock. These protocols operate less error and therefore less data to send out and her. The resulting error rate is higher in videos but not bad. Since then simply "drüber interpolated. And on packages that are to arrive late for the player, is not synonymous maintained. To gain speed again.
If the data between server and player times permanently in the knees go, streaming videos can be synonymous in a previously defined lower bitrate "down". Then does the next video - only with lesser picture quality.
The streaming can be true for videos synonymous with long-term use over several hours.
See synonymous:
http://www.movie-college.de/filmschule/medien/neue_medien.htm
Many greetings,
Daniel
Antwort von Hugendubel:
High Wiro, Cj, TheBubble, Daniel, and all of this forum: How long is finally good, I managed habs (was'n stress):
One of the technical data:
General:
Spot Freeware Transformers Official Trailer
QuickTime Movie
Encoding:
Audio:
Data Rate 192 Kbps
SampleSize 16
Sample Rate 44100
Video:
Format 1280 x 720
WMV9 HD Codec
Method 2PassVBR
Maintain Aspect Ratio
Keyframe every 150
Startup Lateny Max 4 sec
Total Data Rate 1887
It's cool, what with less than 2 Mbit is feasible:
http://www.StreamYourDream.eu/Test
So, again thank you for suggestions, criticism, valuable tips and useless, everything was welcome, and the average of all brought hats!
Greetings from Munich, Germany, Roland
