Infoseite // HDV to DVD burn = quality loss?



Frage von face33:


I do not know if I've understood correctly ...

When I have finished my HDV-cut material, I will indeed play somehow synonymous. Players for the high Resolutiongibt yes, it does not, but how it looks with the PC. Monitors have plenty of resolution, so that should not be a problem.
If I make a DVD, however, this will yet again runtergerechnet to PAL and the high Resolutionist still lost, right?

How can I do this so that you can the finished movie s.PC resolution marriages in HDV? (or is that not?)

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Antwort von beiti:

Quote: If I make a DVD, however, this will yet again runtergerechnet to PAL and the high Resolutionist still lost, right? Yes.

Quote: How can I do this so that you can the finished movie s.PC resolution marriages in HDV? (or is that not?) Either directly in the HDV format, or keep in a compressed format, the HD-dominated Resolutions (eg, WMF).

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Antwort von tobsen:

As a file in native Resolutionexportieren and burn it as a data DVD. On the target computer matching program too (or mitbrennen> www.videolan.org) and run film. When copying performance problems may file on hard drive.

Or did you want something different? ;)

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Antwort von face33:

I have heard that there are DVDs that are available in HD-DVD format. Which are rotated in HDV and yet "normal" DVD player playable (with visibly better Resolutionam PC).
Is this just proces ... ung? Or how does it work?

@ tobsen: Had an idea ... Just a pity that we will not be able to menus and so what. Since my DVD has over 20 chapters, would be a useful and appealing menu.

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Antwort von beiti:

Quote: I have heard that there are DVDs that are available in HD-DVD format. Which are rotated in HDV and yet "normal" DVD player playable (with visibly better Resolutionam PC).
Is this just proces ... ung? Or how does it work?
They are probably encoded in MPEG4 or another WMF codec and coded according to an unofficial standard, so that they run on a few special DVD players and on computers with appropriate software player. However, I do not know any obtainable authoring program that supports such a pseudo-standard.

I know that HD DVD is not your own intuition. The issue may be to double-sided DVDs that are recorded on the one side in the unofficial HD format, on the other page in the regular DVD format. This would ensure compatibility with standard DVD players.

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Antwort von face33:

Well, then mal ganz blöd asked:
When are limited SOWISO PAL DVDs, which then makes any sense an HDV Camera? If the movie in the DVD creation needs to be re-runtergerechnet ...

Or is the DVD runtergerechnete still better than a "normal" DVD?

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Antwort von tobsen:

Quote: Since my DVD has over 20 chapters, would be a useful and appealing menu. I thought since you
Quote: When I have finished my HDV-cut material had written that you're still in the timeline ...

HD-DVD: wikipedia
Eine heute übliche DVD enthält
Pal (bottom view), or if NTSC video standard. Pal nunmal has only 625 lines, so at least one standard-Conforming DVD you can not produce "in HDV.

However, what is true: in HDV (or more) of recorded material on s.PC Pal converted to "see" better because of the scan.
Yesterday had been a good article to find the, unfortunately, but no more.

Quote: visible with better resolution Therefore, the better it looks synonymous, but as I say that has to do more with the "deep impression" of the picture, etc. And of course, nothing with the Resolutionauf the DVD (both PAL).

Quote: This would ensure compatibility with standard DVD players. But still does not mean better quality on the "old" page, right?

Council do: your DVD project completed in the timeline, and then encode it with high mpg2 VBR and pull the things pure in your normal authoring program.
As I said, who should be able to read your DVD? And as long as even the television stations broadcasting to very large parts in PAL ... What's the use.

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Antwort von tobsen:

Quote: Or is the DVD runtergerechnete still better than a "normal" DVD?
Keywords Supply Voltage: yes.

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Antwort von Markus:

The Farbsampling is again compressed to 4:2:0, not 4:4:4 or something in between "projected". ;-)

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Antwort von beiti:

Quote: When are limited SOWISO PAL DVDs, which then makes any sense an HDV Camera? You now have to take in a quality that today hardly anyone can play. That's what synonymous. In five or ten years, do you feel about.
You yourself so you can play the originals to play today even s.Computer or replay on tape and with the camcorder on the plasma TV. (Before DVD Burners them affordable, we have the same done with DV.)

That there is still no viable HD distribution medium (like the DVD for SD), there is a much discussed topic among experts. Camcorder with the HDV format was ahead of its time, they insisted they were already on the market before there were in Germany, regular HDTV television broadcasting. Today, it is something s.Systemstreit vs BlueRay. HD-DVD, and synonymous to the film industry prefers not really with. As long as there is no purchase and lend DVDs of movies in HD, hardly anyone will buy a similar player. And as long as no one has an HD player, one need not worry synonymous how to make appropriate medium.

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Antwort von tobsen:

Pardon.
HDV: 4:2:0
PAL DV usual: ditto.

I said, "HD" in 4:2:2. If you runterrechnet based on "standard DVD" (true 4:2:0) then imho to above (looks better).

What about HDV> PAL, I do not now know exactly ...
Times I read something, "then you can choose the pixel" intends to use it. But maybe someone here so what plausiebleres. That HDV> PAL looks better than a consumer-PAL on DVD but in my experience, so ... well, I'm confused ^ ^

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Antwort von face33:

But, then cut in HDV and runterrechnen s.Schluss on DVD or equal of the camera (HDV start converting) when transferred to computer and can cut the material then?

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Antwort von Wiro:

"tobsen" wrote: That HDV> PAL looks better than a consumer-PAL on DVD but in my experience, so
Hello,
My rating:
It looks like on the television of a very good DV camera.
So better than of a "consumer camera" in any case. In my eyes it is of good television shooting to others (assuming equal conditions).
One should nevertheless not expect HDV quality - that is technically not at all.
Gruss Wiro

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Antwort von tobsen:

Quote: But, then cut in HDV and runterrechnen s.Schluss on DVD or equal of the camera (HDV start converting) when transferred to computer and can cut the material then? As long as possible to keep the best possible quality.

Compromises gibts) only for lack of resources (memory, processing power.

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Antwort von beiti:

Quote: But, then cut in HDV and runterrechnen s.Schluss on DVD or equal of the camera (HDV start converting) when transferred to computer and can cut the material then? Cut into HDV and play the home movie synonymous in HDV back to tape. You can also make DVD.

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Antwort von DjDino (Toth Dominik):

This interest may be that, with my Comment of test charts on the SonyHC3 (HDV): http://forum.slashcam.de/viewtopic.php?p=156603 # 156,603
The conversion can-camera - as you can see - to work quite well, but it is certainly not always so.

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Antwort von DjDino (Toth Dominik):

Here's the test charts to the HC1:

HC1-setting: HDV recording mode:
Link
HC1-Einstellung : HDV zu DV -Konvertierung/SD-Format (kameraintern) :
Link
HC1-setting: DV recording mode:
Link

HC1-Einstellung : HDV zu DV -Konvertierung
Link
HC1-setting: DV recording mode:


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Antwort von DjDino (Toth Dominik):

So when I look at the test charts, I do not think the video editing software, the HDV -> DV conversion riff significantly better than the internal conversion of the SonyHC1 really good (yes, another camcorder make some much worse) I would therefore s.besten operate in this mode with the HC1, the videos are in that mode anyway so in future HDV stored on tape and you save yourself a longer working because in the video editing everything faster response and the MPEG2 encoding to DVD, the faster you ist.Wenn Edited in HDV, but also again want to go back up to tape, of course nicht.Aber as I said was the conversion of video programs, at least as good.

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Antwort von beiti:

Quote: I would therefore s.besten operate in this mode with the HC1, the videos are in that mode anyway so in future HDV stored on tape and you save yourself a longer working because in the video editing everything faster response and the MPEG2 encoding on DVD The faster you ist.Wenn Processed in HDV, but also again want to ensure the tape is of course not. Should we make them dependent on how much work it reworked. If you s.Schnitt three weeks messing around, it should be synonymous, the Sliced than HDV keep for later, not only the raw material. (Alternative: There is an editing system that the DV editing as a cut list, and then stores in the batch process again in HDV quality implements. But Might just work out with professional systems.)

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Antwort von Olli86:

Moment, but I can not cut the material to play back the tape in the camera without suffering quality loss, or?

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Antwort von beiti:

Quote: But I can not cut the material to play back the tape in the camera without suffering quality loss, or? Yes, if you have cut into HDV.

DjDino but had alternatively suggested that the material already transformed warming up at the calculator for DV. In this case you would have HDV quality only in the source material, while the cut was already master DV.

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Antwort von Wiro:

Hello,
nor a complement to:
various forums in past discussions on this topic, it was actually agree that the downscaling of the camcorder better (and faster) than does a NLE.

So that would mean in plain language and cut capturn HDV> HDV camcorder on the back back> from the camcorder to NLE than SD (DV Project)> Convert to MPEG2 SD and then burn.
Gruss Wiro

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Antwort von Markus:

"Wiro" wrote: ... from the camcorder back as SD ...
Finally get the correct terms into the game. The next up was a bit irritating. ;-)

HDV is also PAL (or NTSC) and has to do with the secondary Resolutionnur too. One Resolutionist SD (Standard Definition), is one of the ussynonymous DV. The other Resolutionist HD (High Definition) plays including HDV heard.

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Antwort von Olli86:

"beiti" wrote: Quote: But I can not cut the material to play back the tape in the camera without suffering quality loss, or? Yes, if you have cut into HDV.

The following problem, I just got my HC3 gekauft.Der seller told me though that I could play the Chopped material is not back on the tape, as the HC3, only one output and no input hätte.Ich I can not really imagine that somehow, because even my 7 years old Panasonic, and that was because I had understood it in the forum so that this is synonymous to go müsste.Hat the man as simply wrong, or is actually not? unfortunately I can not test it yet because I still no corresponding cut program besitze.Wenn it is true, then it would actually illogical to behalten.Ich the camera can shoot in HDV then indeed, but the end product looks no better than a DV movie, because I do so only on DVD burning könnte.Die would have an HC1 and output, so I would not buy me then HC1 in an emergency, but it costs much more synonymous.
I have to decide whether I simply mounts of 2weeks keep them or not and this is the deciding point.

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Antwort von beiti:

The HC3 has the opportunity to HVD full quality play back to tape again. Currently it can with some (Entry Level) cut programs, according to manufacturer's specification already HDV-compatible, giving back to the games even more problems, but is certainly a solvable problem.

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Antwort von Olli86:

"beiti" wrote: The HC3 has the opportunity to HVD full quality play back to tape again. Currently it can with some (Entry Level) cut programs, according to manufacturer's specification already HDV-compatible, giving back to the games even more problems, but is certainly a solvable problem.

Beiti Thanks for the help.
What I only wonder is that the vendor has clearly said that it was not possible wär.Ich directly skeptical because I have read many times that it geht.Ich I've only thought that the time may be of the HC1, the speech was, as these both an output and said hat.Er synonymous with a lot of cameras that one can not play back from the PC to the tape.

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Antwort von beiti:

Quote: He said that one synonymous with a lot of cameras that can not play back from the PC to the tape. That is unfortunately true. Is logical because many filmmakers an opportunity not to cut and therefore prefer to get their cheap camcorder (because of lower import tariff for units without input). Dumb turn are only those who have not thought of it at Purchase and later need the input yet.

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Antwort von Wiro:

"Olli86" wrote: that I could play the Chopped material is not back on the tape, because the HC3 had only one output and no input
Olli,
why you look not just at the site of Sonynach?
What there is is probably vote yes. Under HC3 / amenities one can clearly read:
i.LINK !" Ein-/Output for HDV and DV
Gruss Wiro

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Antwort von Olli86:

"Wiro" wrote: "Olli86" wrote: that I could play the Chopped material is not back on the tape, because the HC3 had only one output and no input
Olli,
why you look not just at the site of Sonynach?
What there is is probably vote yes. Under HC3 / amenities one can clearly read:
i.LINK !" Ein-/Output for HDV and DV
Gruss Wiro


Since I have not thought of it, wanted to call tomorrow nen Specialist Dealers and fragen.Da has the type of media market, so just squandered.
Thanks for the info Wiro!
This is einziege problem that I have that I do not know if my laptop is good enough for HDV movies bearbeiten.Ich have a Pentium 4 with 3.06GHz and 512Mb Ram, you think that's enough?

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Antwort von Wiro:

"Olli86" wrote: if my laptop is good enough for HDV films bearbeiten.Ich to have a Pentium 4 with 3.06GHz and 512Mb Ram, do you think that's enough?
Each Web site editing software is pretty clear information as to what the program is running smoothly and what not. So what answer you expect to your question?
"Do not worry at all about the system requirements of the Manufacturer - it's all rubbish"?

Small Gedankenstütze:
A software-powered car, such as Adobe or Avid will have major problems on your laptop - and you synonymous. Software with less resource hungry comes mglw. so clear. But there is not synonymous gekleckert, but geklotzt.

Example Magix VdL:
Minimum configuration:

Processor
Intel ® Pentium ® or AMD ® Athlon ® s.700 MHz
For HD video: Processor with min. 2 GHz
(3 GHz recommended)

Operating System
Microsoft ® Windows ® 2000 / XP

Memory
Mind. 500 MB. Min for HD video:. 1 GB of RAM

All nachlesbar on various websites.
One can still believe - the people tried habens ;-)))
Gruss Wiro

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Antwort von beiti:

Quote: As has become the type of media market, so just squandered. Sowas. This has happened at the shop but never before. ;)

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