Frage von zlois:
Hi folks,
I currently play with the idea in the foreseeable future switch to HDV.
To add a little taste to get, I test the Internet various clips (original m2t streams of HDV camcorders) worried about trial versions of Adobe CS4 and Avid Liquid 7th And I must note that it is not so. In the preview I see in both programs are only a few seconds of jerky images with ~ 1-2 fps, then the picture remains completely and I can only hear choppy Tonfragmente. Mind you, all at the mere preview of the original, because I still have not worked. The CPU load is always below 100%, RAM is still synonymous massive free.
The play runs on various players so some (VLCplayer & Nero Showtime slightly smoothly; PowerDVD 8 with hardware acceleration completely unnecessary).
The whole sees first as though my system is too weak. However, I can not really believe, as I said in various forums already have heard of people who are far less powerful PCs easily edit HDV.
I have a Pentium D945 with 2x 3.4GHz, 2GB Ram, 500GB SATA HDD, Geforce 8400GS graphics with 512MB, the entire purchase until this year. That should get really rich, or not? The only weak point might be the graphics card, but the aim was supposedly at DV editing not much role to play ...
The operating system I use Windows XP with SP2.
Any idea what the problem might be?
Thanks and nice greetings
zlois
Antwort von shipoffools:
Normally you should clean your system for playing back clips without draufgepackte effects, etc. well, I think. I work with any of the two programs, but at 2 x 3.4 GHz would have to work without bucking. Maybe because your system is running only on a "pot", that is, it will only use one processor core, and then it's probably choppy. Or with the transfer rate of your hard drive matches what is not.
Still ne possibility is that the m2t files are damaged, what in your description of the problem is s.wahrscheinlichsten.
Greeting
shipoffools
Antwort von zlois:
I think that both cores are used, at least in the task manager shows CPU usage for both cores at.
The transfer rate of the hard drive is about 85 MB / s, there would have easily enough.
I have about 15 m2t files of different sources that all the errors I think is unlikely, furthermore, they can be so easily in other players play.
Antwort von shipoffools:
The Windows Task Manager, I would be in the CPU utilization does not always leave. This is because I think not quite so reliable. Since I would prefer time with a program such as EVEREST Home Edition of Lavalys scrutinize. Can you charge eg chip download. If it does not s.den two nuclei is, I would have now synonymous times no more idea, because your hard drive and the files in order to appear.
Antwort von RickyMartini:
Download times the demo version of "Canopus Edius NEO" down and check it.
HDV should be no problems with NEO, AVCHD material must be in a different codec to convert to sensible order to be able to work.
Antwort von domain:
After a brief Google search found, and similar statements about the more serious 8400 GS, there are too Hauf, must have a total beginner card:
"It is a
shame that only the 8400er no nVidia PureVideo HD features gifts and has these cards for HTPCs therefore entirely inappropriate." For Liquid presumably also.
Antwort von zlois:
Thanks for the tip, I will look at the demo version of Edius Neo care.
Bezügl. Graphics card, this is really a cheap entry-level card, but so far I had no need s.einer better. PureVideo HD but they may have, PowerDVD 8 recognizes the role, and when they are activated, the CPU load of ~ 70% to ~ 20% back the videos and run totally clean and smooth.
Antwort von darg:
Who has told you in 2008 because a so olling rifle with a D945 CPU sold? These are still the old and the first and the Core Duos are quite schwachbrüstig. Since synonymous helps you a new GraKa not much next.
The CPU makes for NLEs the whole and should be given something more with her Bumm.
Antwort von vaio:
Zlois Hello!
If I read correctly, you have a HDD. On this you have 2 test versions and various m2t clips installed or copied. Stupid question, but you have your HDD once defragmented? Before you buy another Gk, I would prefer a second hard drive to invest.
One for the OS and Programs and the other for your clips.
Greeting
Michael
Antwort von zlois:
I know that the CPU is no longer current. I did the PC get very cheap, so I bought it at all, otherwise I would have still my Athlon XP 2600th Is actually a pure office-and Internet-PC, and that he langt far. As a DV editing PC (with Premiere DVraptor and 6.5) are still used my good old P4 1.7 GHz, is absolutely perfect for DV, HDV, I need only to not even try ...
Now came through a very impressive film that inspired the idea with HDV, so now the moment of the office computers that excuse.
I do not need great effects, just simple editing, transitions, titles and dubbing, this should be the D945 but rich.
The system was recently installed, the hard drive is freshly formatted. Moreover, I have a zweie inside, with 250GB IDE (empty), is synonymous as a source of error is excluded.
So although graphics card?
Antwort von vaio:
Only the sake of completeness: Formatted is not defragmented. Know, after formatting the OS with all the other programs installed already synonymous with a certain degree of fragmentation takes place. The second HDD need not be empty, but there should be your movie clips land (s.das suppose you meant synonymous).
Apropos: I just do not know whether to xp with the SP2 nor "HDD busmaster" must be activated? Or. all (current) board drivers, especially the chipset drivers installed? Office-holding when everything can still work well ...
Gruss
Michael
Antwort von zlois:
The video clips I have on the otherwise empty, the second partition of my main hard drive, but it had already synonymous of the other plate probiert, synonymous changes nothing.
Provided that all drivers are installed, ie there are no exclamation marks in Device Manager. Of course I could see if it is newer chipset drivers, etc. are, I will try.
Antwort von zlois:
So, the current situation is as follows:
I already have the latest drivers for all hardware.
In addition, even updated DirectX (of 9.0c to 9.25).
I have the trial version of Edius Neo installed.
It runs on every instance better than the other two tested editing programs, I have to say something like moving and not just a "slide show", but the way it should be, it is still a long way. When I click on play, I have about 2-3 seconds flawless, liquid, smooth picture, and then begin Picture and Sound to bucking.
Any idea what else I could try before I HDV back into the dream box and my periods carefree living with DV continuing?
Believe her, it would be worth a try, a better graphics card installed? If yes, what? There are so many, and I do not know really what it comes with the DV editing, test reports relate almost exclusively to games and 3D graphics.
So purely from the gut feeling I probably would
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EDIT:
Beim Stöbern bin ich gerade auf these
Antwort von darg:
In addition, even updated DirectX (of 9.0c to 9.25).
It runs on every instance better than the other two tested editing programs, I have to say something like moving and not just a "slide show", but the way it should be, it is still a long way. When I click on play, I have about 2-3 seconds flawless, liquid, smooth picture, and then begin Picture and Sound to bucking.
Any idea what else I could try before I HDV back into the dream box and my periods carefree living with DV continuing?
Believe her, it would be worth a try, a better graphics card installed? If yes, what? There are so many, and I do not know really what it comes with the DV editing, test reports relate almost exclusively to games and 3D graphics.
So purely from the gut feeling I'd probably diese nehmen, was meint ihr? Sollte es nichts bringen, kann ich ja das Rückgaberecht in Anspruch nehmen...
EDIT:
Beim Stöbern bin ich gerade auf this thread encountered. Because of uA is simple ~ P4 with 1GB RAM and 2GHz talk on which HDV editing with real-time effects and full preview runs perfectly. And my DualCore 2x3.4GHz creates with not even a simple preview of the unedited original material? I understand the world more ... Direct X, or the graphic card have nothing with a NLE to do. NLEs are usually only on the CPU and since the problem is now time for your calculator. The first dual cores did not stop the right bumm. The Core 2 Duo CPUs are the first which have been with HDV in the first ran.
If others with a P4 Core Solo HDV tell of what, then that's rubbish. Perhaps you can play the files, but edit with simple apertures or so beyond the calculator. I did go through and it definitely is not!
For your CPU: s.Daten The throughput is limited by the FSB simply not possible. You have no zwe full cores, which is a abgepeckte version, which no direct memory access and thus receives more than Simulates law. Without a new calculator you will not really be happy.
Just as an example of my system:
E6850 CPU clocked at 3.6GHz, 1066MHz memory 6GB on Vista 64bit or 32bit XP 3.25GB, OS is on a disk, data are on a RAID 0, NLE is Vegas Pro8.0 for 32bit or 64bit halt for 8.1.
As a graphic card I have a 8800 with 640MB of EVGA to run, which is a overkill, because with a 7200 with 128MB is just as fast. The thus has no influence on the NLE, which is why testing is only 3D games and to be mentioned. Video content is not 3D!
Processing is thus quite unnecessary, but once I have more than one Color Corrector AND a different velocity parallel run, the preview of the timeline down to 12 to 15 fps and only in full as a preview Preview Quality, Quality s.High not to think.
Whether or not a quad core CPU is better, I do not know because I do not synonymous know how well I have a Q6600 at 3GHz on leave, I can bring of a new CPU, the first fingers.
I7Core are currently the favorite. The CPUs will be much more suitable to what s.der new core structure is but are just too expensive.
NLEs As I have tried several. PP, etc. Edius and Vegas had the best results, then this is why I had bought. Fortunately, there are trial versions for download.
Antwort von shipoffools:
@ present
For simple, fluid play the HDV clips from the timeline out his calculator, but should still be able. When I run HDV clips in Edius Neo on a P4 with HT 3 GHz, 1.5 GB of RAM and 'its popel Radeon 9200 with 128 MB is absolutely unnecessary. If I have any Effects, White Balance, or the like "drauflege" Although it's starts pretty s.zu shakes, but not nearly as zlois to a standstill as it describes itself.
But times s.zlois gently inquired:
Are you sure that your m2t files synonymous HDV clips really are? Although I have no experience with AVCHD, but to my knowledge, the synonymous after the file extension "m2t". If your supposed HDV AVCHD files, so would your PC would significantly overwhelmed really. On the Canopus Page can synonymous HDV clips to download. If you have not already, so maybe time to try.
Greeting
shipoffools
Antwort von beiti:
I have the trial version of Edius Neo installed.
It runs on every instance better than the other two tested editing programs, I have to say something like moving and not just a "slide show", but the way it should be, it is still a long way. Neo s.Edius The beauty is that you watch the videos before processing into the Canopus HQ format can. Because they need a lot more disk space, but then folds the cut synonymous on older computers.
Regardless of which I have been surprised that on your dual-core (whether or not cheap version) HDV not even playable is unnecessary. Somewhere seems to be the worm in it to be.
Antwort von domain:
"Worm" is an expression of relief, there is already more of Tatzelwurm indoors. HDV playback ran so even with my old Pentium.
So I guess, was the first graphics card should be changed and also I do not quite understand why not any cheaper and in the semi-ordinated by PC Grossmarkthalle was purchased because there is certainly no such problems.
Antwort von zlois:
@ shipoffools: Yes, definitely there are clips of HDV FX1, FX7 and HC1. They come mostly from Wolfgang's HD-Blog (www.fxsupport.de).
@ domain: The PC was purchased as a complete computer, with my computer dealer around the corner ", where I buy for 11 years. And it was a spontaneous purchase, I was with my AMD XP2600 + with 512MB Ram and satisfied as far as actually had not before him in the foreseeable future to replace, but in comparison to my old but much more powerful to ridicule Calculator Price (EUR 299, -) has but then my angel eight. I thought especially s.schnelleres audio encoding, totally smooth Youtube videos in full, generally shorter load times of programs, etc. These expectations were fully satisfied synonymous. An HDV I thought at this stage yet. And I would like to see now, a few months later, not again a completely new PC purchase. I have not synonymous, now completely convert to HDV, I have too much expensive computer equipment that I still like a long time would like to continue to use, and SD is currently still the standard. I would only if I get a HDV camcorder, at least in a position to make a primitive movie in HDV leisure for own zusammenzuschnipseln. For serious projects, I will initially anyway for Premiere 6.5 (thus IR), because ES 1 works absolutely perfect, I 2nd could operate in the sleep and 3rd never much thought of spectacular effects, the functional scope of Release 6.5 covers my needs completely.
What else: I bilde me, have read that there is any kind of editing software is an offline editing for HDV, as it used to be, to the early days of non-linear video editing, was usual. This means that the source files are in a smaller format with a small preview computing space and converted the project will be with these files, cut, and the software then sets the whole of the original high-resolution clips for. I hope you understand what I mean. That would be a solution ...
That with the Canopus HQ codec synonymous would be a possibility, however, losses occur in what I would like to avoid (=> Smart Rendering).
Antwort von zlois:
Thus, the problem is solved!
I have a new graphics card ordered (Radeon HD3650), and, after I received the second-hand prices for the D945 CPUs on Ebay views had synonymous one-Core2Duo (T7300) to do so. These parts I received yesterday, built-in - and gestaunt. The PC does not recognize that everything is a much faster and smoother and synonymous with the problems of the HDV editing are well past. Runs with Vegas 8 (Incidentally, it looks like my new favorite among NLEs) in my opinion better than the DV editing with Premiere 6.5 on my old calculator. Also full preview of simple effects in medium quality no problem, full 25fps. Ach ist das schön ...
Whether now the graphics card or the CPU was the bottleneck, I can not say because I have changed both at the same time, I completely synonymous but no preference, it hauptsache runs.
The FX7 can come ;-)
Antwort von RickyMartini:
Meaning and purpose of the Canopus HQ codec is yes, quality losses caused by multiple rendering as far as possible. Already the DV Codec Canopus has its standards with its variant set. ;)
How easy is because "Vegas 8" single control in the source / project window when used in AVCHD?
Antwort von zlois:
That with the Canopus HQ codec is now so unnecessary, for native HDV editing with smart rendering there except s.den bodies, with effects, transitions or titles which have been absolutely no loss.
Bezügl. AVCHD, I have only a single AVCHD Clip (1920x1080, 15Mbps) with a length of 1 minute, if I am in the timeline drag (unprocessed) Vegas needs to drive an estimated 200ms frame. I can imagine that this is for longer projects, or with effects much slower.
Antwort von RickyMartini:
How is that in Comparison with DV-AVI? Since the delay but would hardly be noticeable? In any case, this corresponds to the usual way of working.
Antwort von beiti:
Whether now the graphics card or the CPU was the bottleneck, I can not say because I have changed both at the same time You could test all of the graphics card acceleration off.
for native HDV editing with smart rendering there except s.den bodies, with effects, transitions or titles which have been absolutely no loss. It can interface s.jeder slight losses, because the GOP structure of HDV / MPEG2 no building permits precise cutting (ie, synonymous with the Smart Rendering s.Schnittstellen have new I-frames are inserted). This should not be, or not noticeably worse than for use of intermediate files. And wherever complete GOPs are maintained, the cut is completely lossless.
Antwort von wolfgang:
m2t stands for mpeg2 transport stream - and not with AVCHD (m2ts, mts) to be confused, but some stands for HDV.
The frame-accurate control of synonymous single frames and the editing is neither HDV nor AVCHD in a special issue that is not synonymous with native editing - because there is no significant delays in the applications are good at, and where the PC performance halfway sufficiently sit. This is perfectly in practice, both for HDV as synonymous for AVCHD.
What will be happy to see, is that synonymous conversion of m2t or m2ts to a quality loss - although not intense, but the actual measurement and is nachweibar. If one is then in the Intermediate codec are generation losses for rendering at least for the Canopus HQ very very low.
Smartrendern in HDV, but the applications have to be the GOP-structure rewrite, otherwise you could be a material such as not to HDV camcorder write back. What exactly is done, it was often the subject of discussion - and it is very little published, the companies say virtually nothing. With AVCHD can practically almost no NLE - funny as kanns Nero and Power Director 7, but then that's it.
Antwort von darg:
Whether now the graphics card or the CPU was the bottleneck, I can not say because I have changed both at the same time You could test all of the graphics card acceleration off.
As he worked with Vegas, the better the river just by the CPU. The GraKa has no function for Vegas. He could be an old buechse with 128MB AGP installed and would have the same effect with the new CPU had. Unfortunately, he is the Money for GraKa the window was missed because no Vegas GraKa functions.
Antwort von zlois:
It is not just Vegas, synonymous CS4, Liquid and Edius now running beautifully and smooth, and Vegas has previously synonymous with HDV does not work (same problem with Preview ~ 1 fps). Vegas I like all of these programs s.besten just as simple and concise to use, and yet so extensive in the equipment. Only when I saw the price was just me off the air ...
Even so things like Vimeo in HD (previously was not synonymous, some stills => Browser hanged) now work correctly. I would be surprised if all of the only ~ 30% more CPU power would be.
And even if the graphics card is now available for this specific purpose is not absolutely necessary would have been sometime, I will certainly benefit, and so expensive, it was not synonymous yes (about 50, - Euro).
