Frage von alexanderdergrosse:
Hello,
wanted to look at the questions for experts, the long with the HV 20 / HV 30 working
I film trailer grade faster, and really have a problem with the 25 Progresive mode. When I film people - no problem, but if detailed building filme - bucking the windows like crazy. The problem is out of my forums. For many details and all corners jerky.
How Your lösst the problem (your experiences), without in interlaced mode to work?
Times had a solution, for example, everything is slower to swing around in the recording Postpro quickly adapt while looking out okay but the effect is quite another.
Regards
a
Antwort von SebiG:
At 25p darft do not have a certain swing speed beyond. So you need to simply slow down s.Gebäude pan.
25p is not made for fast movements, comes only with Tripod and a quiet movement to swing right result. For fast pans so in turn 50i, which is talking about it?
Antwort von alexanderdergrosse:
The Tripod is no better.
Only with screw speed is better.
Well, this is far too slow, do already have a tick more.
The progressive mode has exactly the effect I need.
Antwort von alexanderdergrosse:
Someone knows if this firmware problem?
Actually, shows Wolfgang blog on the problem.
Search for faster solution, but Progressive is filmed.
The solutions of you, I would like to know ;-)
Antwort von Axel:
What you describe has Strobo with the normal 25p-Effect of which, the laaangsame pan makes it necessary to do nothing.
1. Above all: When recording only 1/50tel shutter.
2. Accurate preset in NLE (1080p25)?
3. New finding: Not of camera via HDMI to TV, if not a 1080
p TV.
If everything is correct, you can safely s.Lattenzäunen almost gone and the like swirl. The traffic scene in Wolfgang's blog is typical for a preset geflaggtes wrong, not for "p" - is so synonymous have a little bit older.
Antwort von alexanderdergrosse:
Sebi, as Axel solves your problem exactly?
When shutter 1 / 50 already.
25PF mode and movies are on.
Bravia, Television with 720p.
Well, here is the slow movement in demand.
Or. On average, then accelerate.
Thanks s.Euch go next film ...
Antwort von Axel:
Is no problem. Particularly at very rapid pans not. The problem is the half-panorama pans.
Frankly I do not even eighth on something. I'm not a big fan of swing, but I have never experienced the phenomena described. Well, I see on the screen shakes my A1, and as soon as I turn on the automatic, the shutter is shorter, and it is jerky. With Final Cut Pro 5.0 skips it (see the "trunk"), with APP 2.0 (Canon without preset plugin) shakes it with a friend, but those times have passed. On a computer you can 50i and 25p only and exclusively s.den Interlacefransen distinguish true then the default. Please look at the times of HD video on Vimeo, which is all 24p or 25p. A normal mode. You see there is still bucking like it, 50i or 50p. You say, yes, I have, but for
me jerky's, you are celebrating one of the osFehler.
Antwort von alexanderdergrosse:
Are the videos in order.
The problem with me is only for pans
detailed objects. But with the
Shutter is okay.
Thank you ;-)
Antwort von scrooge:
What you describe has Strobo with the normal 25p-Effect of which, the laaangsame pan makes it necessary to do nothing.
1. Above all: When recording only 1/50tel shutter.
2. Accurate preset in NLE (1080p25)?
3. New finding: Not of camera via HDMI to TV, if not a 1080 p TV.
If everything is correct, you can safely s.Lattenzäunen almost gone and the like swirl. The traffic scene in Wolfgang's blog is typical for a preset geflaggtes wrong, not for "p" - is so synonymous have a little bit older. Hi Axel,
in the latest video magazine writes Felix Buckstegge in connection with the 25p mode of the HV30 following:
****
Once the ambient light a little brighter
will be reduced in the Cinema mode
Auto exposure time to 1 / 50 second.
Cyberlink Power DVD - not common
Editing software - is revealed via a single frame,
what happens then. The Opposition
between exposure time and image number
per second - 25 each with 1 / 50 second
exposed images fill the second only
half! - Solve the Canon camcorder,
Picture by each doubled. The result:
For moving subjects are tiny
substantive gaps between the frames, which
as stroboskopartiges Jerkiness noticeable
can make.
There is a solution: In addition to the 25p -
Mode, in bright ambient light, the
so-called TV-activated recording
will. With so is the shutter --
time on the much needed 1 / 25 seconds
fix, to allow movement of flowing abzulichten.
Sure, with the relatively long 1 / 25
Exposure rather than blurring occur
with the 1 / 50 second, but they belong to
Full-timers to do so.
****
Würd mich mal interested in what you and all others have to say.
Gruß,
Hartmut
Antwort von Ernesto:
Canon builds no progressive CCDs / CMOS in their cams, that is, this is not a true progressive picture. Hence the Bezeihnung 25
f. This mode is designed according to the computer video display performance reduce (600 staatt 780 line pairs). The paper refers to here is the XL-1s H, but it is very likely synonymous with the small Cams with this phenomenon can be expected
many greetings Ernesto
Antwort von scrooge:
Hello Ernesto,
that's not quite true. Is it synonymous s.verschiedenen posts in the forums to read. The HV20/30 actually have a true 25p mode, not the mode of 25f as the XH A1
Gruß,
Hartmut
Antwort von pailes:
that's not quite true. Is it synonymous s.verschiedenen posts in the forums to read. The HV20/30 actually have a true 25p mode, not the mode of 25f as the XH A1 Then I would be interested in whether the chips now provide a progressive picture or not. Because when the chips interlaced work, then the progressive Picture inevitably arise through a transformation.
Antwort von Ernesto:
Hello Ernesto,
that's not quite true. Is it synonymous s.verschiedenen posts in the forums to read. The HV20/30 actually have a true 25p mode, not the mode of 25f as the XH A1
Gruß,
Hartmut Why then does the Progressive mode synonymous with the HV 30 in the menu and 25PF
not 25P? Precisely because there is no real progressive material being recorded.
Ask for Canon but even after. Again,
no progressive Canon constructed image converter in their Videocams, which you can find at Sonyand Pan.
many greetings Ernesto
Antwort von TheBubble:
Why then does the Progressive mode synonymous with the HV 30 in the menu and 25PF
not 25P? Precisely because there is no real progressive material being recorded.
Ask for Canon but even after.
There are full, they are just like pictures with Skip stored procedures. For the post of its software must be just, that it is full and half with no shots involved.
Again, no progressive Canon constructed image converter in their Videocams, which you can find at Sonyand Pan.
Source?
Antwort von Axel:
... in the latest video magazine writes Felix Buckstegge in connection with the 25p mode of the HV30 following:
****
Once the ambient light a little brighter
will be reduced in the Cinema mode
Auto exposure time to 1 / 50 second.
Cyberlink Power DVD - not common
Editing software - is revealed via a single frame,
what happens then. The Opposition
between exposure time and image number
per second - 25 each with 1 / 50 second
exposed images fill the second only
half! - Solve the Canon camcorder,
Picture by each doubled. The result:
For moving subjects are tiny
substantive gaps between the frames, which
as stroboskopartiges Jerkiness noticeable
can make.
There is a solution: In addition to the 25p -
Mode, in bright ambient light, the
so-called TV-activated recording
will. With so is the shutter --
time on the much needed 1 / 25 seconds
fix, to allow movement of flowing abzulichten.
Sure, with the relatively long 1 / 25
Exposure rather than blurring occur
with the 1 / 50 second, but they belong to
Full-timers to do so. That is all Kokolores (For's planned movie wiki ": I believe that this is not just an old word for" bullshit ", but synonymous, the German word for" cookies "- not biscuits, but the shade pattern, a more interesting background that achieved by the fact that something you hold in front of the headlights.
"The picture still needs Kokolores".) None of the things the guy in this comic newspaper writes that true, therefore it is not anything to comment on them.
The progressive scan from HV20/30 ( "real") and write interlaced on tape ( "fake"). A practical difference, however, there is not. That is true so, and more is not to say.
Antwort von domain:
In fact, from false P-method (decomposition of a frame into two fields) is always compared with the real progressive procedures discouraged, because you never can be sure how much a complex Deinterlacingalgorithmus, who now no longer has a role in the image effect. Only a simple weaving of the two fields could be an equivalent result.
Most importantly, however, the exposure time at 1 / 25 to keep the window mentioned in a really nice swing bewegungsunscharf, as synonymous with SD without motion blur of house already would :-)
The 1 / 25 sec, incidentally was synonymous with film cameras with 24 fps and an opening angle of 345 degrees, the sector aperture can be achieved. The remaining 15 degrees were black trim for the film transport required.
Antwort von Axel:
In fact, from false P-method (decomposition of a frame into two fields) is always compared with the real progressive procedures discouraged, because you never can be sure how much a complex Deinterlacingalgorithmus, who now no longer has a role in the image effect. Only a simple weaving of the two fields could be an equivalent result. Why not test yourself? Why trust someone's Council when it takes 5 minutes, a very moving scene with all sorts Shutterzeiten incorporated, both in "i" as synonymous to "p", and behind them - perhaps with more "guest judges" - to compare. I read those "I rate as" comments and heard them more often once synonymous regularly of colleagues who are experts. Interestingly, a meticulous comparison test (on different output devices, the condition is of course, to make everything right, it should of course not be deinterlaced as NLEs sooner or could not otherwise apparently "FullHD TVs with" only "1080i) to the following, a unanimous result With None or hardly any movement at all, no one can see a difference (so often examined and tested, that I say: Fact!). Fast movements in "i" are of all hardware deinterlacer of progressive output devices with different sharpness presented. The presentation of 25p (no preference, whether from "p" or "f")
with 1/50tel shutter is critical of all the testers as s.natürlichsten and quality s.besten views.
Most importantly, however, the exposure time at 1 / 25 to keep the window mentioned in a really nice swing bewegungsunscharf, as synonymous with SD without motion blur of house already would :-)
The 1 / 25 sec, incidentally was synonymous with film cameras with 24 fps and an opening angle of 345 degrees, the sector aperture can be achieved. The remaining 15 degrees were black trim for the film transport required. Aha! If
I choose 1/25tel shutter, I see motion smears. Maybe I drink enough alcohol. As I said, makes the comparison test itself
Antwort von domain:
Aha! If I choose 1/25tel shutter, I see motion smears ...
Yes, not only you, yes I just synonymous and smeared on the motion arrives. They are very important!
