Frage von Addie:
Hi,
I am a amateur filmmaker, using my HV20 primarily for private purposes (family leave), enough for me because the internal Micro principle - for all the criticism of the drive to loud noise. I am backing but with a lot of music and other children make much noise ;-).
Now I do my Camera s.and s.synonymous business that I just make a small film about voluntary work in our nursing home to interview and to USDI volunteers.
At the interview, it is with the internal micro but a bit difficult, as is the voice of the interviewee is not so clear. Above all things, if they are not so strong voice anyway, or "fear" of the camera have, and I do not go with the Camera to s.die nose out of people!
So I am looking for an external Micro. I need but absolutely no high-end device! A local club, a sort of "Friends" to donate it to me nice and 60 ¬ (although I've made clear to them that I really only the camera at home, but they could not dissuade :-)))).
Hence my question: what a "kind" for MicroStation 60-100 ¬ (the rest would be put on it) I can initially set times? I have zero experience. For an interview, I thought first s.eins with simple cable that I can stand near s.Interviewten. For the above price range could be as certainly something halfway with good sound quality, or?
But there is probably more of a one-off thing is a twisted cable for the private use probably not so useful. Would be a directional microphone, which I mentioned in the accessories (no contacts, just because of the bracket) may be stuck for the interviews also suitable? Or even better? Because you get to the nec. price something useful. As I said, not a professional device!
Or are there alternative Microphone "species" which are better suited for this compromise is? If it is not huge or super-long would have the synonymous what ...;-).
What should I do? I have read in some threads that one with the note must Aufsteckschuh anything, otherwise the internal noise again but with a bright sound is recorded, but I did not exactly understood.
Maybe you can give me a tip? If one is looking online for microphones, there is a choice of 1 million units. Wanted to here in Cologne look at music store to ask, but if I do something by choice, that would be certainly helpful.
Thomann When I have seen these priced found interesting:
http://www.thomann.de/de/rode_videomic.htm
http://www.thomann.de/de/audio_technica_atr55.htm
http://www.thomann.de/de/the_tbone_em_9600.htm
In Music Store, there are the Sennheiser MKE 300 for 133, -. So much I wanted to not spend, but if you would say now: it is absolutely worthwhile in this price sector, I would put it on me ...
Antwort von steveb:
I use basically lectures and interviews with a cable micro, because (imho) is still too much noise at Aufsteckmikros interference. It is synonymous always important to note how far is the camera away from the actual sound and how loud is the environment.
Otherwise, the Rhode Videomic quite neatly. Synonymous Note that you only when external Monomicros a track on the tape aufnimmst it behind you and in any case, even after editing them. Therefore, a Stereomic better (but unfortunately expensive synonymous).
Antwort von Nacho:
Hello!
If we're on the matter: I am also looking for a micro HV20, the most economical, but nevertheless would be useful. In another forum I am on the atr25 of audio technica (49 ¬ at music store) encountered, it should be stereo. In addition, a short cable for installation and s.Shoe longer synonymous to hire a Tonangel its own right.
Is such a purchase?
Possible answers, thanks ahead!
Nacho
Antwort von Jan:
Hello,
Here I've listed a few times so in the class suit:
Mikros-mal-ne-orientation-please The HV 20 I had today with the MKE 300 tested Steveb statement is, at least with the camera correctly, it will be a soundtrack recorded:
Sennheiser MKE 300 Monoklinke / TRS
The man synonymous hears and sees s.Headphones & HV 20 in the meter - just a signal. With other cameras, this is not always so, so like the SonyHDR FX 7 with the same 300th MKE
In most cases, most amateurs tend the stereo models, when the first thread reads, remembers one synonymous, the mono Richtwirkenden microphones have their raison d'être. I can only zb difficult Micro Atmo a stereo for my interviews, since I was there the entire atmosphere (ambient noise) with that thing.
Normally we tend Richtwirkende placed microphones on a Tonangel - precisely because the object (as the name suggests) to stereo Atmo have feelings for my not so skillfully and precisely placed - but everything is possible.
VG
Jan
Antwort von Addie:
Hi Jan,
first thank you for your instructions!
The HV 20 I had today with the MKE 300 tested Steveb statement is, at least with the camera correctly, it will be a soundtrack recorded. [...] For other cameras, this is not always so, so like the SonyHDR FX 7 with the same 300th MKE But how can that be? Why is behaving as an equal, depending on the micro camera model?
And what I still want to know: when directional microphones will be recorded in mono, then it means quite simply that s.beiden channels just played exactly the same, or that the sound is only s.linken channel is being played?
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Addendum: I've read in your thread with mono-directional micro and in the case of the MKE 300 to the possibility of this so umzulöten that, although not stereo, but at least equal to "2 mono-channels are so that you are not behind everything NLE editing must.
Antwort von Jan:
But how can that be? Why is behaving as an equal, depending on the micro camera model?
- Can I tell you not synonymous, as I said yesterday habes tested.
HDR FX 7 has definitely just the 2 track and I've copied to the Headphones really heard both channels. GS 500 was as far as I know so synonymous. Canon HV 20 shows strangely only one level and is only one level. When I do the right Headphones aufhatte then was just the right Page sound output.
And what I still want to know: when directional microphones will be recorded in mono, then it means quite simply that s.beiden channels just played exactly the same, or that the sound is only s.linken channel is being played?
- SonyHDR FX 7 probably copied the one channel.
VG
Jan
Antwort von Addie:
Strange thing, but thank you for your instructions!
Yesterday I was at times Music Store in Cologne. They had blöderweise only the MKE 300 there, but not the other models, for which I am because of the price would have been interested synonymous (98 ¬ for Rode, Audio-Technica ATR55 for 79 ¬).
I asked the seller to the MKE 300, whether he knew how with the drive making the noise is. He knew something big is not to say, said that probably depends on camera model. Comparison with other models suggested above, the MKE 300 would certainly be the best (ÜRIG funny looks from the big part s.der small camera!), Aurally and of the directivity her what Interveiws concerned. The Rode would be indicative of the pattern as rather inappropriate, as would be the ATR55 even better because of the existing "slots" s.der Page, the page sounds better, "delete".
I now have to think again and am come to the conclusion that the MKE is probably the este, but for a single interview thing actually exaggerated. Then there is probably only very rarely used. So I will just test the ATR55. It has a little more included, so that a second bracket, you can screw on tripod, then I could be a little closer s.den Micro interviewed person shall, with the camera but slightly next go away. The noise can drive but if the next Micro is gone, no longer to be strengthened.
BTW Jan: how were there when making the Geräschs your experiences with the MKE 300?
Antwort von Jan:
Yes it seems somehow SonyCamcordern together with zuhängen, of the house still requires a mono mono mix & make - Markus was synonymous reviewed.
The drive & businesses depend noises but with the company together, I do not want to once again draw against Canon. Most recently, a Canon user at the micro and the shoe still problems, just like a spider Beyerdynamic EA 86, then finally helped.
I've got with Panasonic or SonyCamcordern never had big problems, possibly because synonymous with the MKE 300 is far from me
Camcorder is gone.
Vestärken of noise?
When it comes to the ambient noise is very good, I did a rotation at times not heard (sound check), we wanted to cancel, very surprisingly, one has the MKE 300 with little ambient noise drauf synonymous when it comes around it is very loud.
If the actual sound is called for, yes there must be very careful
we often have the ca 20-30 cm apart, in normal human organs, has worked well with lighter levels deposition. Some people have the bad habit of the Micro even closer to half or to scream, then a greater level deposition. I would consider it but not as vulnerable as other guide tubes of the type & price category described. You must always stop to watch, the cameraman with his headphones & Tonaussteuerung exactly how the interviewer with the uniform distance of the microphone.
VG
Jan
Antwort von Addie:
Oh man ..
I asked for the middle class meanwhile decided - for the Audio Technica ATR55 previous 79 EUR. Power as a very solid first impression.
Now, unfortunately, have the, what I had feared, after I Micro accessory shoe on the set and had made recordings: suuuper loud noise! I work with Edius 4 and then had me look at the waveform can show - mono, clear, but one can easily in mono on both channels to convert, I would be rich indeed. But if you have the graphic looks - the audio line (in the "Mute" is very thin) proposes no real noise in the room already extremely consistently to both sides to look at times the graphics! I guess that the noise of the camera but with HV20 now strengthened? Or do I have the recording level down next s.der regulate HV20? I had already done so that the rash to mark this first go, so to speak before the clipping. Have not tried yet, as it is when I use the Micro in hand instead of on the accessory shoe to be stuck.
What experience do you have for that? Did you get an idea how to circumvent it? Except I sell Micro ... ;-).
Antwort von Markus:
Hi Addie,
you have the ATR-55 directly with the clamp attached to the accessory shoe of the camcorder made? The camcorder may vibrate during the operation? Even if very little is felt, could be the rigid angeklemmte this Microphone as a loud noise still implement. Ultimately, moving the membrane for signal generation, not only by the impact of sound waves, but synonymous with moving the microphone around to the membrane. - An elastic suspension (so-called spider) could help.
Microphone Decoupler the times of your camcorder, for example by typing it in the hands calmly hold. That would be a first indication of the cause.
Antwort von DocMAX:
mach s.besten take a test: How is the noise level in manual set to speak before a normal camera? And if the microphone is isolated?
The Rode Video Mike has a built-in spider.
Antwort von DocMAX:
Thanks for your help,
@ Markus: I have this somehow does not automatically e-mail notification after your answer. Therefore, synonymous only now a reaction of me.
Yes, I have the supplied clamp firmly screwed. Recordings "decoupled" I have not tried. Maybe I created the time tonight.
A direct vibrations of the camcorder, I do not feel. However one feels as in normal recording operation is not synonymous to "out".
@ Guest:
Will I be synonymous times for free, thanks for the hint.
@ all:
can so'n spider (I've never heard before, because not enough with busy) synonymous individually or buy at Thomann Music Store?
And you can see the polar pattern probably because synonymous nor regulate, of kidney on Super cardioid glaub ich (hab das nich Micro since 'more touched, so I know grad's not ... ;-)). Does the mode again as synonymous to the background noise from?
Antwort von Markus:
you can [...] so'n spider synonymous individually or buy at Thomann Music Store? See here (local link):
How much drive noise is normal when SonyHC17? With the model names to find the parts synonymous with Thomann. Marvel but you do not have the same prices, as the Consumer Microphone ATR-55 is priced in any good relationship with professional accessories.
Does the mode again as synonymous to the background noise from? Yes, the stronger polar pattern reinforces the signal longer synonymous. This is the background noise increased, depending on the circle but not always detrimental effect. Give it a try! Theoretical dry exercises help in the sound recording is not really next.
Antwort von Nacho:
@ all:
can so'n spider (I've never heard before, because not enough with busy) synonymous individually or buy at Thomann Music Store?
For 25 ¬:
http://www.musicstore.de/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/MusicStore-MusicStoreShop-Site/de_DE/-/EUR/ViewProductDetail-Start; pgid =? sku = REC0002441-000 & ProductUUID = 0 & = OfferList Jumpto
I've been somewhere else, made a natural variant with a piece of PVC pipe, a saw and a few rubber bands.
Antwort von Addie:
Marvel but you do not have the same prices, as the Consumer Microphone ATR-55 is priced in any good relationship with professional accessories. The strange, I ... ;-).
Thanks anyway, I will soon give play to the times, first when the Micro ...
Antwort von Addie:
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Antwort von Markus:
Besides the possibility of the spider, the clip above and / or Steckfuß below somehow abzupolstern (something like thin foam), so that the vibration is not so much transferred / steamed? Obviously, there is this possibility. Try it and you will know whether the decoupling (usabhängig is the foam and its quantity) is sufficient.
Optionally, you could synonymous with household rubber try to run the microphone into the holder so einzuhängen that there is no direct mechanical contact with the camcorder has.
Antwort von Addie:
Optionally, you could synonymous with household rubber try to run the microphone into the holder so einzuhängen that there is no direct mechanical contact with the camcorder has. You mean rubber rings? Simply rumwickeln / fiddle? That I had already thought about it but felt that parts of the microphone will remain free, over which the vibration then anyway. There are synonymous these adhesive foil velvet, but is synonymous quite thin.
Otherwise: what's useful in the construction?
Antwort von Markus:
You mean rubber rings? Simply rumwickeln / fiddle? Just thought I das Whether it actually works depends on whether the Microphone are truly free or whether it is still somewhere in contact with the bracket has.
Antwort von Addie:
Okay,
try 'ich mal.
Maybe I take today or tomorrow synonymous times to Obi. White, however, still not exactly what I should ask ... ;-). Or better a craft shop?
Antwort von Markus:
For ¬ 25, less the expenses of Bastelkram to save? - Nee, oder? ;-)
Antwort von Addie:
Well, when I was only for 5 ¬ or less think, otherwise I'll give you quite ... ;-))
