Frage von AK_Rocket:
Hello,
We have something s.See filmed and what is it escaped me somewhat disappointed. Did about 30 minutes footage where the picture is constantly more or less curl.
Here's an example:
http://www.vimeo.com/806270
Can the camera defective? What can the Kammeramann better ;-)
Gruss
Antwort von WoWu:
Your camera is not defective.
The effect arises from simultaneous horizontal and vertical movements.
A solution as only a well Bilstabilisator effective, at least the vertical movement and compensate for a tripod.
The horizontal movement artifacts you will not handle them. This fall alone, but not so much on. It is the combination of the two axes, which causes this effect.
Antwort von edgar:
Where can you buy this Image Stabilization?
Antwort von edgar:
That you have misinterpreted, the camera must have been himself. Although there are external stabilizers for commercial cameras, but which may be synonymous priced only dream of.
Anyway, in relation to the rolling shutter effect is only of oblique lines or flash of lights, but never spoke of the combination. It is precisely at the "hand held" cameras, the real danger (as you can see). So today camcorder with CMOS buys and not belonging to the quality of the image stabilizer respects, is not sure surprises.
For my taste, the stabilizers, but in each of its axes switched, because a bar is not only good to bring in the horizontal and actually can cause more damage.
You see, the issue is more complex than you think. That's why I say always synonymous, that even consumer camcorder a microcosm s.Zusammenhängen are.
Antwort von WoWu:
... was not registered ..
Antwort von edgar:
The camera was on a tripod (Velbron DV700) but I can imagine the synonymous by the strong wind (Emma), the camera always has something vibrates.
Interesting would have been off the bar again in order to see the difference.
Antwort von WoWu:
Had quite simple .... film look out of the car and try out both methods.
Antwort von edgar:
And why should he also be googled?
Antwort von Der Beobachter:
... Who sees it exactly the way you remember
the flickering air it is just above the water!
Antwort von PowerMac:
The HV20 is not suitable for such purposes, unfortunately!. The rolling shutter is so horrible. If the manufacturer does not soon end, I buy only up to that CCD cameras.
Antwort von WoWu:
but I like to know the first time, but if that was not somehow connected with the stabilizer, since something similar has been synonymous as flight times, where the host. Even a DV20 ... perhaps the stability does not really do anything right ...
Antwort von Login_vergessen:
... synonymous me I had been on the hybrid cameras Z7/S270 happy. As long as the CCD without any come along, you can keep Sonydie.
Antwort von WoWu:
Now see that's not so "black". For one has yet identified whether the effect really shown is due to RS and on the other hand, CMOS sensors have now so many significant benefits that I would not do it.
So far I have seen two such effects and both of Canon camcorders ... something I would like first of another camcorder to see before I get a type-intrinsic defects would exclude.
Antwort von Login_vergessen:
The CMOS cameras certainly have their target audience, then they are certainly synonymous excellent work. Before
I so synonymous but only a contribution to a ton of hit, because the cameras only on a concrete base tripod with a clean run, I will be the first to "my" debug conditions. Yesterday, for example, due to the weather pictures of the congestion on the highways is required. So during the journey, the snow drift rotated, Gedo all blue, etc. I have rotated with a DVX100, much "out of hand." after my previous knowledge I would have probably with CMOS cams versiebt ...
Antwort von WoWu:
Yes I know this is not just ... Flashing lights should not be a problem because the time interval with the flashlight is not to compare, but the vibration is still questionable.
But there are now simply too few "horror" and the videos that exist are often of the Canon and since we rarely know whether the bar was involved in it or not. Also you do not know, with the clock rate for the Canon COMOS out is higher than ever, the lower are the typical artifacts of course.
So, as you already say, so before I would categorically reject, would be a trial under our own conditions are quite interesting.
But on balance, everything is designed, not only this effect, return to larger sensors from .... because it allows the clock rate increases quite dramatically. Probably synonymous why it is a RED CMOS will not occur. (But not of course
not true, he is only smaller).
So other Camera and tried ... this helps. And at times the canyons off the bar ... that could help synonymous. And post result here that helps others.
Antwort von PowerMac:
The blue-videos, which it previously had to be seen, because I would not so sure ...
Antwort von WoWu:
I know this because only American examples and those are strobe lights and flashing lights are not in germany-round lights? Maybe yes, the now changed ... yes it is synonymous in the next few years, digital police radio to ... maybe in the modernization yes with strobe lights started ... then you have right of course.
Antwort von ISBN:
I think it is s.Stabilisator. It is possible that even with the Wobbling Mercalli Deshaker in a video it conjure in certain settings.
Antwort von neuerHD:
I got my HV20 camcorder now since a few days and am just about him again to send back because of the rolling shutter effect or wobble and vibration during pans!
I use a suction cup stand in the car and never had problems so what s.geht shaky shots or cmos such effects. Entteuscht Accordingly, I am synonymous recording results on the following:
http://www.vimeo.com/813505
http://www.vimeo.com/813537
Now I am looking for a camera with CCD sensor!
Antwort von scream:
Synonymous happens when the bar is off?
Antwort von joachino:
And deuced but not always so general CMOS ... There are synonymous CMOS chips which have no rolling shutter .... just not in the mass products.
But the question of SCREAM is really .... what happens now because without stability? Show times but the difference ...
Antwort von WoWu:
login remember ... ...
Antwort von joachino:
I use a suction cup stand in the car and never had problems so what s.geht shaky shots or cmos such effects. Entteuscht Accordingly, I am synonymous recording results on the following:
http://www.vimeo.com/813505
http://www.vimeo.com/813537
Now I am looking for a camera with CCD sensor! Ohh, not demonization CMOS dafuer. I have recordings synonymous with a car windshield made s.der tripod and I think it is easy s.den optical Bildstabbis. Since they are mechanically it is possible that certain vibrations (here offenstichtlich constant vibration) do not like. If I stand working with windows, then I make the Stabbi, then the effect is gone.
My old American Sonywith electronica Stabbi has not. The only crazy when the camera on a tripod mounted and is the picture does not move. So has any advantage and their disadvantage but synonymous.
The vibrations in the car are just treacherous, what you always when shooting in touring can see. Even professional systems have as their borders (see TV).
Gruss
Axel, San Jose
Antwort von darg:
I hate those automatic log out !!!!!
Antwort von neuerHD:
Hello,
I have hard times now and have made the rolling shutter problem precisely tested with my HV20!
With and without an image stabilizer
With and without Auto Extra
All relevant values Shutter
All in HD 24P
I want to take off ahead of the wobble or wobbling has NOTHING with the image stabilizer, or the extra autofocus to do! Whether s.oder the effect always occurs. So probably a CMOS problem.
The shutter values 250 - 50 that the wobble or wobbling on p.25 shutter is removed from the wobble a normal gans vibrate! But I can not imagine ever with the value 1 / 25 to film them. The picture is quite blurred in movement and light, it is then synonymous.
The test I have with a suction cup stativ made. I have the car brought to vibrate, as synonymous with the drive is the case, with help on the accelerator and the brake and could thus represent the effect.
Here's the video to my Shutter Test:
http://www.vimeo.com/819044
Gruß, neuerHD
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
I would return the Camera!
I do HDV recordings now 1 1 / 2 years with a CMOS Camera (SonyHDR-HC3), free-hand, with the help of a body floating by tripod and tripod. Such inclusion results, I had never been!
Antwort von WoWu:
The Schwebung in 1/50-Shutter part indicates that the sensor is probably with with 60 Hz is selected. This differs, for example, the EX1, where the sensor at least with the 4-times the speed image is read out and effects so obviously significantly weaker.
@ Peter
What camera do you do that and shows you something about the sampling rate of the sensor of your camera?
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Peter
.. ich seh straight, the HC3 is yes .. which I had read about. But what would you have the sampling rate? Is it because a Solmo with it?
