Frage von Jup:
Hello ...
I was / am looking for a Cam, solely for the shooting of training and competitions in dancing. Since I have not had contact with camcorders, I am of the tests guided me and 2 for testing ordered a SonyDCR stop-HC96 and the Canon HV20.
The HC96 came after a first test is not in question .... such a (PAL) Resolutionist for me as a freak unacceptably high ... The HV20 is already much better ... well .... almost ¬ 1000 are not chicken (for such a limited application) ... of .... so please help me a little bit ....:
- This is quite bad for Wide Angle Normal current camcorder?
- Tripod because I could unfortunately not an acute shortage of space up .... and so, despite the best efforts Cam gaaaanz calmly and with 2 hands to hold, I find the picture quite restless. Works only in the stability of the zoom (where you can clearly see him)?
- I had filmed indoors with 25p and 1 / 125 - 1 / 250 - does that fit?
Now I'm on about: HV20 or keep on waiting for the next model (the points of criticism in the test, such as processing and handling, even for me as immediately noticed Beginners)
Thank you ever much for help :-)
Antwort von Schleichmichel:
The thing you get is already for almost 900 ¬, and that's quite okay. And even cheaper would be nice of course.
That the lens is not as weitwinklig, can be viewed as negatively as positively perceived as synonymous. Firstly, the lens in that it is not so weitwinklig is not synonymous and it has great zoom range, good effect synonymous. In the test article was this advantage of the low distortion so listed. This is synonymous with high-resolution images is important.
Moreover, it is nice to have Anglezu Wide (adapter available), but usually it comes with the long focal lengths synonymous quite clear. It hurts not, despite mostly HDV Halbnahaufnahmen to make instead of relying on the high Resolutionzu leave and always beautiful viiiiiiiiiel space around the main thing for you.
The exposure times:? If the light is sufficient, why not? - Or is the thing for shorter exposure times to no more progressive? But that would be poor.
Antwort von Axel:
- I had filmed indoors with 25p and 1 / 125 - 1 / 250 - does that fit? Without specifically with your camera to have tested, is the general criticism s.progressiven pictures - if ever! - In appropriate sports.
I wrote "if ever", as rapidly filmed football or football movies (soon even to check with "Invincible" and "Goal2") the tale of leisurely swing relativise always anew.
But recordings of fast movements can only 25p unnecessary
work if it with 1 / 50 exposure time were recorded. 1/250tel definitely leads to Jerkiness (or a deliberate Strobo-Effect). My advice would be 25p for the exposure time to 1/50tel fixed it.
Antwort von Jup:
Thank you ... now I am a bit confused ... I thought 1 / 50 would be too long for a sports host, ie the movements were blurred, so I had of content (such as when photographing) a shorter time period chosen.
The 25p mode brings for me as a layman a very clear picture being quieter ... but seh schon, again not all that easy ...:-)
So, maybe a few times a default value for me, the next time I could check out ... as I said, indoor and Waltz & Co sure everyone knows as the speed of movement of her ....
Antwort von Axel:
Thank you ... now I am a bit confused ... I thought 1 / 50 would be too long for a sports host, ie the movements were blurred, so I had of content (such as when photographing) a shorter time period chosen. To take the photos to avoid motion blur. But combining the low frequency motion. Because 25p you have the choice between two evils: smeared movement (see course) and Bewegungsphasengeruckel (looks like from Zombie: 28 Days Later).
So, maybe a few times a default value for me, the next time I could check out ... as I said, indoor and Waltz & Co sure everyone knows as the speed of movement of her .... As I said, 1/50tel, and nothing else. Check times by road from Tripod, 1/25tel start with and then gradually Shorten. As for me, looks at 25p 1/50tel s.besten from.
For 50i, you can at the same bucking 1/250tel already recognize. The motion resolution is neither much larger nor much smaller than the frequency X 2 Here you have your rule of thumb.
Antwort von Daigoro:
That with the shutter speed to something on the Lighting s.and with what you remember the movie.
When training recordings for motion analysis are used, the "zombie-like" overall impression rather no preference because I think, is especially important that preferably has sharp single, which is synonymous meaningful one can create slow motion.
If it all too much in Bewegungsunschaerfe blurred, it's already difficult like the Syncronitaet certain movements to be seen.
Overnight (or 'under') 125 allows me the inadequate lighting in the hall, however, usually not, since everything in saueft exposure from the sub.
If a longer, for viewers, detailed image where motion information is no preference, Endmaterial get out, is above the rule of thumb certainly the best.
The problem I stand synonymous, but without a tripod (especially if something else is used) cruel shaky shots.
Since there is no longer fun and important settings, view scenes can cramp by unfavorable movements are totally dirty.
If no big Tripod can be used, similar to what I use here:
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sowas synonymous would go:
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Stabilized in any case better than mere pictures from the source - something's still embarrassing to events anyway so rumzulaufen.
MiniDV I would not completely write off - perhaps slightly higher mal ne Panasonic GS500 test.
Honestly I see the dance film now not necessarily the advantage of a higher resolution (and staekeren Compression of the source material in Comparison to MiniDV) and the 16:9 format can be, depending on whether a couple or a whole formation will be filmed, a pre-or quite annoying disadvantage.
Antwort von Jup:
Thanks for the good info - da hab ich was to test ....
Generally, I need both types of recordings, so both techniques to understand and use s.Wochenende times ...:-) Werd n extensive test session to make ....
HDV looked to me pretty clearly and sharply from a computer ... and man will be always the latest anyway :-)
Antwort von he2lmuth:
Hello,
synonymous then please test the Lowlightfähigkeit ...
The me from my time;) famous dance hall was just a very poor lighting. The 20 is available with low light low on the chest, like almost all cheap Einchipkameras. The colors are not good.
For ¬ 1000 you get a used VX 2000/2100 Three chip. These are weak light cameras with brilliant miracle SteadyShot. Of course, not HDV, but the best what it is in SD.
Regards
Hellmuth
Antwort von Daigoro:
HDV looked to me pretty clearly and sharply from a computer ... and man will be always the latest anyway :-) If you have appropriate output devices (ie, either privately or in the dance studio NEN HD or HD Television! Beamer), I would have to MiniDV wasting no more thoughts.
Computer / laptop, I would a bit before taking the outside (except for the s.nem hangs 40 "TFT), as 70s ne Glotze from the classifieds of the newspaper for 50 euros a much bigger (and PAL compliant) Picture offers.
The real fun club recordings so for me is holding the club with a few colleagues at beer nem preferably on large Ausgabegeraet perspective.
If all this is still in 4:3 format and hinflimmert is synonymous for the foreseeable future will remain so, I see no advantages for HD recordings and it annoys me each consignment, in HD (16:9) is broadcasted, because on my old Roehrenglotze Bildflaeche is so lost.
That is why I think private synonymous MiniDV still firmly - neither pleasure nor budget for the foreseeable future in HD to invest.
If the equipment is of course completely different.
Antwort von PowerMac:
(...) - This is quite bad for Wide Angle Normal current camcorder? (...) Yes. Especially for such a cheap camcorder.
(...) - Tripod because I could unfortunately not an acute shortage of space up .... and so, despite the best efforts Cam gaaaanz calmly and with 2 hands to hold, I find the picture quite restless. Works only in the stability of the zoom (where you can clearly see him)? (...) This is normal for Amteure. A camera does not do everything for you. If you have such professional demands in terms of picture quality do you need to be synonymous better film. Say buy a better tripod and image design with you in depth. Synonymous And not everything on the technology shift.
(...) - I had filmed indoors with 25p and 1 / 125 - 1 / 250 - does that fit? (...) No.. 50i. Shutter wish and light conditions.
(...) Now I'm on about: HV20 or keep on waiting for the next model (the points of criticism in the test, such as processing and handling, even for me as immediately noticed Beginners) (...) This is almost an impertinence. The camera is far above average, has many great features. Then you will come with little clue synonymous hardly want to spend money and meckerst on Camera. This Camera is for price / performance ratios in the video world sensation. The successor model is as little better. Only by significantly more money gets you better results.
Antwort von Jup:
So once again THANK YOU for the many tips and hints!
Meanwhile, I have me a lot of these s.Clips Cam viewed and YES, so you can have nice things. A Beginners like it, please forgive me if it is something technikgläubig and perhaps synonymous ¬ 1000 holds a lot of money :-).
One must, however, no great idea of shooting to have to see that the camera (unfortunately) looks a bit cheap and at least in my hands is not as good as other models that I at Media Markt and Saturn was in the hands ... purely subjective ...
The results in Lowlight purely subjective, I find quite good - I had two cameras synonymous with regard to its camcorder rausgesucht info. Used to buy comes with things, of which I have no idea for me not in question ...
And yes, hardware is available and I found the difference between DV and HDV on TFT, Beamer TV and quite clearly to be seen. Also runter calculated PAL movies on DVD, I found more detailed than the material of the HC96 DV. All purely subjective, without a big idea about the shooting to have (hab halt ever filmed 2x, DVD and viewed gebastelt) ... and YES! mine is already clear that some people with an old DV cam can make better movies than I, perhaps with even the most expensive studio camera :-).... I can now go a little practice with the HV20 ...
Antwort von Daigoro:
.... now I go a little practice with the HV20 ... Have fun filming:)
I think one of the big advantages when you own the sports film is a better understanding of the external effect of what you are doing (especially if the judges in sports competitions play an important role and the performance of his must convince).
Mirror falsify something, because otherwise you must move to the mirror to see. Video is a very good medium,
I think if the love synonymous PowerMac rumknottert a bit, his main message that you have for the price at the moment no 'better' consumer camera (and even cheaper garnicht) find quite accurate.
ps if it is running at me like you'll load the camera does not have to worry about and the 1000 Euro investment-are quickly forgotten, because the easy part 'worth' and the films are very popular (even if they are 'painting' Viewed nix suck - because as a filmmaker, you simply have the advantage that people can admire themselves and many have never even synonymous' television 'have seen).
Possessions in the last month so about 12-14 volumes filmed (almost 20 hours recording), which for the professional of course is ridiculous, but in comparison to the normal holiday & birthday film but quite a bit (mainly because it's not just sporadically, but always times to have lots of starch).
Perhaps it is before you start for the club to film, not worth considering how the material's bringest people and especially if you paid for. The films are (mostly s.Anfang and at least in my case) in each event and desires are as loose 20-40 copy queries.
Ich mach's so that I copy the DVDs viral lass (ie 1-2 "master" and then people s.andere aus'm association representative of Kompier of it). The can be the media, they need of the beneficiaries pay.
The process is a bit slow, but cheap. Faster went about copying work, but it would be more expensive as synonymous. Everything of course I would make of a priori excluded, because otherwise you do nothing more else will. :)
Antwort von Jup:
Soooo ... s.Wochenende I then filmed a bit ....:-)
Generally I am very excited by the picture of the HV20. Even in low light or cool pictures .... but on my little cheap-looking plastic I see it out .... like many of the users complained about strong band noise, I have not. Yes, you hear something synonymous but not more than the other camcorders, which I shall in the course of time rumsurren've heard .... and ultimately, it is dancing eh extremely loud .....
Thanks to the tips of detailed Daigoro I could but my results have improved greatly. THANK YOU! Generally I find 25p CINE-but very nice atmosphere to dance to make shots ... lets greet Flashdance ... For the pure training analysis but I like it better .... 50i
I have now decided to keep the HV20. About the little mistakes I see in the light of the truly outstanding image quality across ....
Sooo, now the Cam hide quickly, before too many people .... they see the films are extremely sought ...* wink *
Antwort von Jup:
A little update ..... a week's holiday s.der North Sea was a lot of time, even with the camera to play ;-)... I am now very excited and very happy with my choice. On the handling can be used and the picture quality is truly outstanding. Even the playback on a standard TV you will see it immediately - beautiful sharp contours and rich colors ...
So, of my Page forth a clear buy recommendation ....
