Frage von RocknRoyal:
Hi,
admitted - the headline is not to be 1:1, because of course, are very clear in between worlds, but nevertheless, I am in possession of the EX3 and is synonymous since 2 days in the possession of my new EOS 5D Mark II and I've obviously directly s.der times ausgetobt video function and I must say "just cool" - I do not synonymous, the play with the depth of field, the super compact handling, the crazy low-light features etc ... I love the part, in any case already idols and I just can hardly imagine the euphoria of a short duration will be ...
Only the codec ... I have not yet as I get a Final Cut Pro tolerated codec to convert it as a whole'm a "Noob" but I know that there a VideoTUT there, only I find it no more ... somehow on the Compressor of Final Cut Pro ... because otherwise it renders is a wolf in Final Cut Pro - so far the cause is.
Thus,
VERY COOL PART and I can totally imagine that something in the form to expand it, that some will no longer be with his big drags around ...
Gruss
Alex.
Antwort von Axel:
Only the codec ... I have not yet as I get a Final Cut Pro tolerated codec to convert it as a whole'm a "Noob" but I know that there a VideoTUT there, only I find it no more ... somehow on the Compressor of Final Cut Pro ... because otherwise it renders is a wolf in Final Cut Pro - so far the cause is. You can of course, all as a batch in ProResHQ 1920 x 1080 30fps with Compressor to convert at nearly 5-times the memory requirements in comparison to the original h.264. I have files downloaded from curiosity. When should I HDV quality reasons so that I understand the timeline in ProRes have, with the rough edge on handling the viewer do (synonymous the H.264 yes there will be displayed without problems) and then the red timeline once completely ausrendere. The MarkII footage to ProRes to take my little calculator around 5-6 times real time, so no "wolf". A MacPro is so fast again. Material, which I do not use, I do not umzucodieren. Then everything goes fast fast. Much real-time, fast rendering.
Antwort von deti:
We have a synonymous EOS 5D Mark II in the company. The "fun" when shooting with me has not (yet) set, but I'm not synonymous cameraman. Have just noticed that in the processing of 36Mbit / s H.264 FCE almost stands still and Vegas Pro is pretty choppy (Intel Core 2 Duo Q9550). At liquid Rekodierung without works is currently being thought of.
Deti
Antwort von MarcBallhaus:
We have a synonymous EOS 5D Mark II in the company. The "fun" when shooting with me has not (yet) set, but I'm not synonymous cameraman. Have just noticed that in the processing of 36Mbit / s H.264 FCE almost stands still and Vegas Pro is pretty choppy (Intel Core 2 Duo Q9550). At liquid Rekodierung without works is currently being thought of.
Deti Final Cut Pro running on a thick synonymous with the codec 8Core not around. Of course not! H.264 is not a codec Edit! May well be that in the future, chip / hardware Technically what happens, but that's not the problem, stacking in Compressor and ready. Even more recently, almost yesterday, we have tapes in real time digitizer in real time !!!!, imagine the time before ... not imagine what a time-cost ... ;)
As for me, however, makes grad aback is the number: 36 Mbit. I habs never calculated is the true way? Then I though what fragenm as Canon makes for a Scheiss, because of the codec EX1/EX3 (Lon MPEG2 GOP) provides with the same data rate (35 Mbps) is significantly better, has much fewer artifacts. The sky, filmed with the 5DMKII, one can not look nearly so, full pads, but at ISO 50, ie without noise. Soltle I perhaps again at ISO800 with ND trying to film without Noise looks oddly out.
Antwort von RocknRoyal:
Oh, and
hab me with an insider from the house of Canon entertain and he has let me know "The Canon 5D Mark II could be a lot more, but it has massively cut, since otherwise when importing video or something with tax etc would have to pay" because it produced in Asia etc - have forgotten how it is ultimately just called and he said, it will probably only last a short time until a resourceful Freak on the Internet published any combinations to unlock some features.
Believe me, the source was reliable from the house of Canon!
Antwort von RocknRoyal:
Somebody get briefly explain how I should proceed to the H.264 codec into a compatible codec convert Edit - or refer me s.eine Page where it was already taken ...
Gruss
Alex.
Antwort von TiMovie:
Oh, and
hab me with an insider from the house of Canon entertain and he has let me know "The Canon 5D Mark II could be a lot more, but it has massively cut need would like to thank the EX3 synonymous interested if you are not synonymous software to 4:2:2 and 50Mbit / s can get?
gruß TiMovie
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... 5D Mark II could be a lot more, but it has massively cut, since otherwise when importing video or something with tax etc would have to pay ... Could you ask again, what he meant? The current limitations of the 5D MkII, which is automatic aperture settings or code is concerned, can hardly's been. I would be interested.
Antwort von MarcBallhaus:
... 5D Mark II could be a lot more, but it has massively cut, since otherwise when importing video or something with tax etc would have to pay ...
Could you ask again, what he meant? The current limitations of the 5D MkII, which is automatic aperture settings or code is concerned, can hardly's been. I would be interested. This is s.der duration of the recording. From m. W. 28 minutes, it is a VCR and as such be taxable. With the rest of the settings, the Inch s.Hut nothing.
Believe me, the source was reliable from the house of Canon! If you now would have written that you have with the development department in Asia phoned, then ok, but the rest has only information from third-hand, and sit in the call center primarily students who need coal, and no professionals. So a call center Fuzzi-times I would ever garnicht believe.
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Antwort von Axel:
Somebody get briefly explain how I should proceed to the H.264 codec into a compatible codec convert Edit - or refer me s.eine Page where it was already taken ... H.264 is not a codec Edit! May well be that in the future, chip / hardware Technically what happens, but that's not the problem, stacking in Compressor and ready. You can of course, all as a batch in ProResHQ 1920 x 1080 30fps with Compressor to convert at nearly 5-times the memory requirements in comparison to the original h.264 alternatively .(....:) timeline in ProRes, with the rough handling on the edge (to synonymous the H.264 yes there is displayed without any problems) and then the red timeline once completely ausrendern. The MarkII footage to ProRes to take my little calculator around 5-6 times real time, so no "wolf". A MacPro is so fast again. Material, which I do not use, I do not umzucodieren. Then everything goes fast fast. Much real-time, fast rendering.
Antwort von RocknRoyal:
My Information I am not referring of a call center, otherwise I would have it in for me to keep silent if I would have been of the opinion that this source is not reliable and it would be synonymous refers not only to the recording length, the EOS 5D Mark II, otherwise would have been classified as ...
Antwort von MarcBallhaus:
(...) And it is synonymous not only on the recording length, the EOS 5D Mark II would otherwise be classified ... Then Fasel but not rum nenn paragraphs in the Criminal Code, which I obviously do not know, or at least define rather than simply something to say .. I like to learn.
Antwort von RocknRoyal:
(...) And it is synonymous not only on the recording length, the EOS 5D Mark II would otherwise be classified ...
Then Fasel but not rum nenn paragraphs in the Criminal Code, which I obviously do not know, or at least define rather than simply something to say .. I like to learn. * g * sweet! I do not know why I demand you would have and if I knew exactly what other easter eggs in the hidden camera would be said, then I would certainly inform and even without the cheeky invitation ;-)
Alex.
Antwort von MarcBallhaus:
It was asked what the tax-related classification, I did it after my knowledge answered. You say that it is not so, but do not justify it. This is called drivel. Your last response to stresses such behavior and also reminds me very much content s.das "Ätschibätschi" my children, but they are all under 10th
Antwort von RocknRoyal:
Oh,
my children are also under 10th .. (7 years son / daughter 4 weeks) ...
I merely pointed out that the camera still throttled from other reasons, should be - maybe because the camera then overpaid and would provide no more air for a bigger model would offer more, no more no less ... ;-)
Antwort von B.DeKid:
.... - Maybe because the camera then overpaid and would provide no more air for a bigger model would offer more ... ;-) AHA there is anybody who believes the 1er video soon to be, or how?
Antwort von RocknRoyal:
.... - Maybe because the camera then overpaid and would provide no more air for a bigger model would offer more ... ;-)
AHA there is anybody who believes the 1er video soon to be, or how? psssst ... ;-) a resounding "YES".
Antwort von Jogi:
@ Rock Royal, if you a FotoCam with "video" is more fun then you should sell your EX3. Perhaps it is the fact synonymous with the EX3 You're overwhelmed. :-)
Synonymous If the video material of the 5D MarkII nearly the quality of the EX1 / 3 to reach safety remains with the handling on the track!
Antwort von Jogi:
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... would like to thank the EX3 synonymous interested if you are not synonymous software to 4:2:2 and 50Mbit / s can get?
gruß TiMovie [/ quote]
The EX1 / 3 processed "to the recording on SxS" the chip signals in a 10-bit quantization 4:2:2. This high quality, you can via HD-SDI tap. Just remember that because it makes the 1 - 1.5 Gbyte / s ", which always synonymous, are written.
Antwort von vaio:
"I merely pointed out that the camera still throttled from other reasons, should be - maybe
because the camera then overpaid and would provide no more air for a bigger model would offer more ..." I am not a professional, but that's just marketing banter. Finally, the clatter heard crafts ...
What do you mean how many cameras, which certainly synonymous from the Professional Division, from Manufacturer "throttled" are? For example, a competitor for one (cost) model corresponding to oppose. Regardless, it is of course economic and thus synonymous profitable some similar models in the range to have (equal parts philosophy). Optimally, when synonymous nor audiences need to be addressed. So there are enough reasons for such decisions. Synonymous Defines a larger model. You need not synonymous clairvoyant in order to recognize.
Greeting
Michael
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... have merely pointed out that the camera still throttled from other reasons, should be - maybe because the camera then overpaid and would provide no more air for a bigger model would offer more, no more no less ... That, however, are market-political considerations of the manufacturer and has nothing to do with any alleged multiple taxation by the EU to do, your informant of the above said.
Antwort von RocknRoyal:
... have merely pointed out that the camera still throttled from other reasons, should be - maybe because the camera then overpaid and would provide no more air for a bigger model would offer more, no more no less ...
That, however, are market-political considerations of the manufacturer and has nothing to do with any alleged multiple taxation by the EU to do, your informant of the above said. The tax is, as Mr. Ballhaus rightly said, just after the start time etc, so that the camera as a video camera to be taxed. The other measures regarding "throttled" are not related to and probably will remain the secret of Canon ....
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... The tax is ... after the start time etc, so that the camera is not taxed as a video camera to be ... So far - think s.die discussions about DV - In-opt a few years ago - was the existence of a similar input as a criterion for higher taxation of video cameras (which then also have been classified as a VCR). Why a device that is 27 minutes video recording, not as a video camera apply, p.28 minutes but already I can not understand, but if that is true, then this was unquestionably the expert committee set up very creative! What happen to have link to this provision?
Antwort von Jan:
As far as I am with the latest bin, is the boundary at around 14 / 15 min.
The information came from the photo manufacturer Casio, in their models can record s.Stück 10 minutes - then it is final and must be restarted.
Casio wants to save money.
The 5 D MK II, according to official figures, can be 12 minutes film that would have fit. I have almost 14 min s.Stück done.
The question is, how much money you are saving so, and whether the base of the camera as synonymous plays an important role ....
Although there are now so many photo companies, which until card is full film can & want the increased inches are not so bad can be.
Nikon is in the D 90 - 5 min - on, because of "heat", who knows, maybe this is not the complete truth.
For the few manual functions at the Canon Video s.der there are not many reasons:
1. Canon did not want to - new models have to be synonymous interesting
2. Canon has it "dreamy", and the video was only intended as a simple bonus
3. The effort that in the live mode, all parameters were freely chosen, it is too big for the performance of processor and buffer memory, especially considering the 4-5 MB / sec of the video function, which is to be processed.
Company product updates for the Canon very uncommon, and only in very rare cases made!
VG
Jan
Antwort von deti:
Do me now time a 5D caught and tested:
The camera takes pretty much always on 4Gbytes s.Stück. Randomly so that the 12-14 minutes is s.der data rate of 38Mbit / s (video + audio) at 1080p. You can see the video synonymous to 640x480, which means that the data rate is about 15Mbit / s is - so that you can barely half an hour to record.
Have found it: a 100% white Picture filmed provides the lowest data rate and you can then 640x480 in exactly 30 minutes to record - this seems a hard limit to be synonymous if the files have not yet 4Gbytes reached.
This shows that there is no limit 28 minutes there. All previously mentioned customs reasons appear to me neither plausible nor real existent.
The camera could easily be more than 30 minutes to record, have to, because of the FAT filesystem on the CF card, but all 4Gbytes start a new file. This seems not to have been implemented. Presumably, the video function from the perspective of just one Canon candy to a trend in the market to operate and no serious feature. When I look at the features in relation to video, then this begs me to just guess - please excuse my pessimism.
Deti
Antwort von TiMovie:
The EX1 / 3 processed "to the recording on SxS" the chip signals in a 10-bit quantization 4:2:2. This high quality, you can via HD-SDI tap. Just remember that because it makes the 1 - 1.5 Gbyte / s ", which always synonymous, are written. HD-SDI and co. is already clear to me!
perhaps there is soon a hack for XDCAM EX in mpeg2 codec 4:2:2 with 50mbit / s record - that would have the SxS cards with 100Mb / s loose pack!
Antwort von Jan:
@ Deti - the likes of Canon are true.
For Casio, it is 100% so, only 10 min s.Stück due to increased taxes. This info I have a Casio employee of the better manager level.
VG
Jan
Antwort von WoWu:
This has fairly little (nothing) to me that the length of the recordings to be done:
There are 2 inches surveys:
4% (without external recorder)
19% for VCR
When is a VCR?
If hardware or software, the function (synonymous subsequently) can be activated. (regardless of the recording length)
Reference: Case Finanzgericht Dusseldorf (Third Chamber) of 27 September 2007
- Medion AG (C-208/06) / Hauptzollamt Duisburg, Canon Deutschland GmbH
(C-209/06) / Hauptzollamt Krefeld
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:C:2007:283:0003:0003:DE:PDF
Antwort von Jan:
For Casio applies to digital cameras with video function.
Casio has confirmed that even in a Still Image Magazine, why it was one of the few photo companies only 10 min can s.Stück filming.
At fairs I have been of field representatives and managers of the company said exactly the same - who knows - maybe it is not the truth?
Why argue with the Nikon D 90, that her video camera in the function "overheated" and therefore only 5 min s.Stück possible, and the world's main competitor, Canon s.Stück more than twice as long to film and can be significantly larger with the sensor and more resolution ....
Something is rotten, the companies say is not always the truth ....
VG
Jan
Antwort von WoWu:
Something is rotten, the companies say is not always the truth .... In any case, this applies to the marketing departments to be sure.
But in regard to the Customs, the maze, perhaps nothing at all with video but with Still Image to do?.
Customs regulations distinguishes between
still-frame digital video cameras and
"other video capture devices, but
with the possibility of recording by the camera recorded sound and image." The first group of products (8525 4011 000) is 0% EUST and the second (8525 4091 000) is currently 4.9%.
Perhaps this is because the crux of the matter.
You should now the definition of product group 8525 4011 000 know.
But probably only knows the inch.
Antwort von deti:
Why argue with the Nikon D 90, that her video camera in the function "overheated" and therefore only 5 min s.Stück possible, and the world's main competitor, Canon s.Stück more than twice as long to film and can be significantly larger with the sensor and more resolution ....
Among the customs matters as a scientist, I can not say (thanks s.WoWu), but this already: that CMOS sensors design generally implies a problem with noise that should now be familiar to anyone. For this reason, a long time the much more expensive due to CCDs favors.
Unfortunately there is a noise of a semiconductor with a direct operating together. A CMOS sensor is heated above all to read, because large amounts of data in a short time herausgeschoben be. The more pixels, such a sensor has, the more data you have to move when reading. With a video camera with a small sensor, it is much less data and most likely the chip is also optimized so that it is in continuous operation less heated.
The EOS 5D has 21MPixel, of those in the video mode is not all the lines out, but a certain oversampling must still be made, so that no scaling artifacts are visible (eg when the Nikon D90 can be seen). Thus, the CMOS sensor is probably significantly warm, but that he would probably live-view mode synonymous. Whether the noise is really unbearable in an increasing degree, I of course, not synonymous. That the design of the camera is not really suitable for video, one sees s.der battery life: This is little more than an hour there, although the whole 1800mAh Battery - a HF-100 requires only a 890mAh Battery w!
Deti
Antwort von WoWu:
Whether the noise is really unbearable in an increasing degree, I of course, not synonymous. With an increase of 7 degrees doubles the noise respectively.
Bin mal gespannt, when the first measurements of the sensible part made.
Previously, it was always just subjective impressions of image that can transmit and got no real results.
Antwort von MarcBallhaus:
The EOS 5D has 21MPixel, of those in the video mode is not all the lines out, but a certain oversampling must still be made, so that no scaling artifacts are visible (eg when the Nikon D90 can be seen).
Deti Says who? The 5DMKII has the same problem in Alias | Wavefront Mayaing like the D90, only much better, but it is definitely there.
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Antwort von deti:
Says who? The 5DMKII has the same problem in Alias | Wavefront Mayaing like the D90, only much better, but it is definitely there.
Some conclusions on the EOS 5D in the above post belong in the category of "educated guess", since it only nachzumessen or difficult to prove.
I have direct comparison to the D90, but what is there on the page fxsupport.de could see was drastically. If these effects in the 5D synonymous to see (must try again), then my theory would be incomplete to the readout / processing of sensor data.
Strong scaling errors, at least for me a knock-out criterion for a serious application.
For me no good for the two cameras as video camera - perhaps I see the synonymous to theoretically ... 'm just not creative and this is just a personal opinion without any claim to universality.
Deti
Antwort von MarcBallhaus:
This has fairly little (nothing) to me that the length of the recordings to be done:
There are 2 inches surveys:
4% (without external recorder)
19% for VCR
Except of signaling pathways seem you of other little things to understand, you lying simply WRONG!
You nervst with your eternal superior!
First, here is the real question NOT s.wann it is, but the question is, is s.wann the digital camera (0% inches) a video camera (4.9% import duty)! Second is my assertion with the time limit in principle absolutely right, because the EU Official Journal on 19.10.2007 clearly sets out s.wann a "digital camera" is a video camera. It reads:
"According to the note 3 to ex -
Section XVI is the main function of the Ka -
mera recording and saving of
Video recordings, video recordings as they
with a higher Resolutionals 800 ×
600 pixels, for about 42 minutes and a
Resolutionvon 1 280 × 720 pixels at 30
Frames per second can hold.
The camera also has an optimal
cal zoom, while the Vi -
deoaufnahme can be used. (...)"
It is based on the principle of the primary function that a device whose primary function or not. This means that you have at the Canon simply extrapolated that if Resolutionetwa doubled the duration s.besten approximately halved, and that is the case here. That is at least a plausible Argumenation before the EU Court of Justice by the example of the Official Journal logically continue.
Appropriately, the images in 640x480 for more possible than in Full HD, because the engineers are unlikely to be a stupid new file with the next number in FAT32 them.
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:L:2007:279:0003:0007:DE:PDF
Who can read is a clear advantage.
I have direct comparison to the D90, but what is there on the page fxsupport.de could see was drastically. If these effects in the 5D synonymous to see (must try again), then my theory would be incomplete to the readout / processing of sensor data.
(...) But I have a direct comparison, and I can confirm it to you. I have two cams with the ISO chart filmed.
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Antwort von RocknRoyal:
First, here is the real question NOT s.wann it is, but the question is, is s.wann the digital camera (0% inches) a video camera (4.9% import duty)! No,
the question is actually "who still has such a fun s.der" EOS 5D Mark II "... because everything else was just In, when I mentioned that my höhergestellter staff from the management level has said that the camera probably be throttled and had ultimately everything is still speculation ... then yes because it is not synonymous in each concrete has become, therefore, I do not understand why you do not simply return to the actual topic can go on.
Alex.
Antwort von MarcBallhaus:
(...) Therefore, I do not understand why you do not simply return to the actual topic can go on.
Alex. Because it gives people the wrong things in the thread post, and the next use of the search, found the wrong information and takes it at face value. Therefore, it is simply important that these things really are.
Since I now have done ... back to Topic. And, by the way, I still had fun s.der 5D, synonymous when the first emergency case still waiting for it until it really runs smoothly. I collect grad optics again, because there are some who are not Full illuminate. What is not in principle be used, any optics without manual aperture ring, so for example, all Canon EF lenses. Better with Nikon Adapter ring to use.
Question: Weiss someone how to use the small zoom rectangle from the center of the LCD wegbekommt?
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Antwort von WoWu:
@ McBall ....
Who can read is a clear advantage. ...... stimmt. See my posting:
But in regard to the Customs, the maze, perhaps nothing at all with video but with Still Image to do?.
Customs regulations distinguishes between still-frame digital video cameras and "other video capture devices, but with the possibility of recording by the camera recorded sound and image."
The first group of products (; 8525 4011 000) is 0% EUST and the second (; 8525 4091 000) is currently 4.9%.
Perhaps this is because the crux of the matter.
You should now the definition of product group 8525 4011 000 know.
But probably only knows the inch. Well, at least one link, the times with the matter has to do .... while it is still not showing that the recording time of causality should be.
It appears again and again the fact that .. Still Image or not, the decisive criterion to be:
The Camera is not in the subheadings
8525 80 11 or 8525 80 19 as
Television camera grouped because they are the
Is capable of photos and video recordings to
Save. Or:
Since the product only recording option
of the television camera
Sound and image, is
as video recording device into the
Subheading 8525 80 91 grouped From time limits is not justified in the speech.
And so we land in the original question ... why not more than few minutes?
With tariff collection is thus not the reasons.
Antwort von meawk:
It was asked what the tax-related classification, I did it after my knowledge answered. You say that it is not so, but do not justify it. This is called drivel. Your last response to stresses such behavior and also reminds me very much content s.das "Ätschibätschi" my children, but they are all under 10th Why are you always so "pitted"? Good - the cam is of great concern to you, but you need not always be put on the user. . .
Test times with ease.
