Frage von KameraD:
How promising is because HDV anyway?
This system is just the beginning of the first made and Full-HD displays, there are so synonymous already on the market. What else is coming? Ok, so nobody can say exactly, but with security but it is certainly synonymous times full-HD (or better) camcorder type, denk ich mal ...
When I look now but FX1 / 7 purchase, it may well be that I have in four or five years from the stupid tube watch, right? Could well be that some other system will prevail, or even higher-resolution monitor will be developed, and again synonymous matching camcorder.
What I do not need a similar technological progress as it is for computer components.
For this reason, then I probably would rather something smaller, cheaper access to, and then take the HC7, no preference whether it's a visible difference in the recording quality, or not.
Can you understand this, that I am due to this uncertainty, but no big cam would buy? What do you this? Have other synonymous this "concern" and take a temporary but rather to something smaller?
Antwort von Jan69:
because HDV already has a lot more competitive than it was then
miniDV, it is synonymous not last long.
The trend is away of the band solution.
gruß cj
Antwort von maniero:
Synonymous think that HDV in the near future will dissolve into thin air and other (real) HD formats will make room ... But the industry has with their advertising campaign so successful and everyone has a HDV Cam increased (usually without even a playback device to do so and now will be recorded in HDV Kindergeburtstage on 50cm TV Pal's views ...)
Antwort von Jan69:
When I look now but FX1 / 7 purchase, it may well be that I have in four or five years from the stupid tube watch, right? Could well be that some other system will prevail, or even higher-resolution monitor will be developed, and again synonymous matching camcorder.
What I do not need a similar technological progress as it is for computer components.
No matter what you buy in 5 years there will be no longer the latest state of the art. The spiral is similar to camcorders to computers.
The question is whether you have devices must be what the state of the art, and in how far the impact on earnings.
Devices of the top 5 years ago (eg, Canon XL1 or SonyVX2000) can still present a lot of old camcorder, especially in difficult lighting conditions. What good is your high-resolution HDV, if the colors are flat and there grieselt?
Antwort von Quadruplex:
Forecasts are always difficult particularly when they relate to the future :-)
I agree with the speakers at what the trend away from tape is concerned. If you are sober but about how the market and, above all, the installed base looks like, look for HDV's not so bad.
DV camcorders are sold for 12 years. The installed base is correspondingly large, and the replenishment s.Cassetten likely for years to secure.
Everything you for HDV editing s.PC need is there and available and working. Firewire is probably (unfortunately) in the future rather rare s.Werk be installed in PCs, it is retrofit solutions but far indicate. Again, the installed base to DV camcorders all too fast disappearing to the contrary.
What you on disk or camcorders speicherkartenbasierten the transfer to the PC compared to HDV s.Zeit save, you need behind again for backup. Your original HDV tapes after you put the cut in the (dry) basement - if you put the scenes still need time, they are ready to hand.
Another general remark to the Full HD hype: With all due respect - that is Gewichse. With the JVC GZ HD 7-E is indeed a full-HD camcorder ready. According to "active digital video" can be seen between the HDV-compatible mode and Full-HD hardly any difference. This may in the future on other camcorders with better chips, of course, be different - for Einchipmodellen is and it remains with certainty a marketing tool and nothing else.
HDV is 1080 times 1440 pixels, thus in the vertical full HD resolution. The vertical resolution determines the sharpness impression much greater than the horizontal resolution. Since recent times there is a discussion on the "VHS-quality" video of CD were: s.den I was always disturbed the blurred picture, which at 288 vertical lines is synonymous no surprise - sees itself as VHS (about 540 visible ) from sharper.
Long story short, if you in the current range HDV camcorder will find that your needs entspircht: I would buy it.
PS: Marginally relating to Full HD
Antwort von AndyZZ:
With the JVC GZ HD 7-E is indeed a full-HD camcorder ready. According to "active digital video" can be seen between the HDV-compatible mode and Full-HD hardly any difference. ... If I remember correctly, namely, the 1920x1080 on the chip, but recorded only 1440x1080. Is it synonymous probably just a marketing gag.
Antwort von Quadruplex:
If I remember correctly, namely, the 1920x1080 on the chip, but recorded only 1440x1080. Is it synonymous probably just a marketing gag. You mean the Canon HV 20th The JVC is FullHD on.
In principle, against image converter, which can be more than the recording format, nothing to say. It comes, as so often, the overall package of optics, and signal processing chip to.
Antwort von Axel:
General consent to my outpost.
The trend is away from the tape regardless of the camcorder. I draw directly onto a laptop to fix and finish logged. Okay, I would want to make reports, would be a Fire Doors etc. beautiful.
The JVC advertising "FullHD" says nothing about the recording quality, compared to HDV mau, so
this is the case of peasant marketing.
Even professional HD cams use the rectangular pixels and the 1440er recording, but that's no problem.
My Conclusion: If you leave the tape recorder off times, is currently the HDV s.besten arrivierte HD procedure affordable in the area, and exotic AVCHD Hard Drive format offers no qualitative leap, of the processing options to mention.
The next competitive and better format, I in no earlier than two years, plus two years testing period with the adjustment software solutions. Who wants to wait four years, should do it.
Antwort von Jan69:
Should I? should I not? Should I? should I not?
Two times a week the same question DV - HDV - AVCHD
HDV still makes sense, or better yet, or AVCHD but the good old DV.
Where you from time to time during periods of Dick & Doof had all of the 70mm camera waited. Was actually nonsense movies where to turn but the quality was so bad.
The films have survived 100 years and since I still synonymous my Video 8 can watch movies (20 years old), I am pretty sure that my current HDV videos in 10 years synonymous still do!
Gruß Udo
Antwort von Acki:
The future is very clear:
Track of everything that moves and turns in the cameras.
The memory card will prevail.
With the possible 32 GB on SDHC capacity is synonymous with Full HD
not an issue.
With AVCHD 25MBit are possible, current ca 13 realized.
Editing was a few months ago as "impossible" now
already been realized. Will mature in a few months!
Gruss Acki
Antwort von Quadruplex:
The films have survived 100 years and since I still synonymous my Video 8 can watch movies (20 years old), I am pretty sure that my current HDV videos in 10 years synonymous still do! You're right - however, I think the question is legitimate. It is not obvious that you put your stuff in ten, 20 or 50 years can still watch. Trying it out, your S-VHS recordings (on the market since before the age of 19) in best quality copy - there are only second-hand equipment. Who was naive enough, with Sony's MicroMV to work, it should be very fast the tapes to hard drive and other storage media copy. With the shelf at least cheap DVD blanks should be synonymous not be too far away ...
Antwort von PeterM:
Surely you can agree with the previous speaker.
tapes are slowly austerben. This does not mean however the HDV Zukunfsrächtiger not a good standard for the next 5-8 years. And anyone who thinks in Konsumermarkt really longer. And as Mpeg2 HDV format is similar to the ancient Mpeg1 exactly synonymous in 10 years verabbeitbar stay.
And synonymous in 10 years it will probably still enough to give auftreibare device HDV clip and secure if it is not already happened. The Comparison with S-VHS limps incidentally. It was never really a widespread Standrd. And VHS recorder gives it like sand s.meer even new.
Antwort von Jan69:
"And synonymous in 10 years it will probably still enough to give auftreibare device HDV clip and secure if it is not already happened,"
hmm,
because the industry already under 2jahren HDV with new formats and
band without recording on the market has come ...
I would be with the not so optimistic about 10years
8mm/16mm is difficult Hi8 much shorter from the market already synonymous.
gruß cj
Antwort von Jan69:
ps. in addition you have to see it just about 15HDV cams
There, panasonic only tapeless developed and jvc gy synonymous only the HD100 has
hdv2 bands probably can not read.
continue to have problems with canon cams sony tapes, I think the
is not easy in the 10years of HDV recording
xy play tape somewhere ....
except for the durability of the camcorder (eg HV20) is as good as the
the first generation miniDV.
so that's probably save to hd the consequence
gruß cj
Antwort von Axel:
... because the industry already under 2jahren HDV with new formats and without tape recording came on the market is ...
I would be with the not so optimistic about 10years
8mm/16mm is difficult Hi8 much shorter from the market already synonymous.
gruß cj Nobody is optimistic. Was there at the beginning of the DV era hard for this price? (Someone has calculated that tape-gigabytes and gigabytes of HD is priced barely differ.)
Nobody is forced to turn films HDV compressed respectively. It will also give disk, where it is cold, which codec in the recording was used. HDV can be gecapturet than uncompressed, it can if we want to change it (every change s.Picture means NLE internal De-Compression and New Compression) do not natively processed (already cut to the exact frame forces the processor, real-time images interpolated), and there are - for the final output (!) other codecs such as H.264, which may be a standard for the consumer edition, as today Mpeg2, the 35mm film copy with DV recording (or even old Super8 Shooting ) on the DVD hits.
Now it was called that, under the AVCHD data rate of HDV remains with the background that its quality did not fully ausspielt. Why is this so? Because - contrary Precht me, if I am mistaken - no band wants to be tied. For Bluray discs would be such a restriction might not be necessary, but their quality can be heard at the time nothing good. You cough once aloud, and the CD is out. Nix for cameras.
HDV is a transitional format. It will be replaced, but the trend is definitely, definitely not in Con, Prosumerbereich started, because the main advantage of MiniDV tapes is the existing technology, which reduces development costs and keeps the final product affordable. But, as I said, wait a couple of years, and what you did better.
Antwort von Jan69:
So for me, and probably for many others, are listed here with comments is reason enough to spend the money to be careful and rather smaller HDV models to consider instead of five times to invest. XH-A1, FX1, FX7 or not, in my opinion is not worth it anymore. Purchase you prefer ne HV20 and does so in 5,10,20 years synonymous not hurt .....
Antwort von Jan69:
This and the next year will be even more effective and s.preiswerten hardware encoders for per-field work. The data rates / quantities to be of equivalent quality are still going strong to the bottom, this is particularly true for AVCHD.
The development will, as usual, synonymous in the consumer realm heritage influence there and probably the tapes, DVDs and hard disks, the final product.
Antwort von Udo Schröer:
Now I want to film today and who knows whether I am in 10 years, a camera and then maybe do already have a stock which will then be dark record.
I think that what I now would like to hold, only to go with what is available today. I am so not synonymous to the car in 5 years from the tape is running, but what to buy when the dealer stands.
And when you need to change so synonymous not wait until the end. So far, there are probably only AVCHD in the consumer class.
Antwort von Jan69:
because the new storage devices (hd / br-dvd) vermutl. none
long-term insurance will provide it in the future
interesting market bezügl. large long-term storage
with good adjustment s.die technical development.
whether it is the normal disk will be is open.
gruß cj
Antwort von Andreas_Kiel:
Now I want to film today and (...) Exactly! Many years ago I wanted to have a VCR: a one thousand (Mark) for a Demo with visual quirks, now check in the cornflakes pack ... many years ago, I wanted to have great quality video: S-VHS (C) for about 3,000 DM ... less for many years, I wanted to digitally photograph ... 1,600 Euro for a SonyMavica with 1.024x768 resolution, disk storage media ...
I live
now, and if my FX1 as long holds, I will be synonymous in 10 years to work with, if not, there is just another "New". If I am in the meantime, even a 4K resolution should Reizen: okay, if the account that is performing.
The only problem that I thought really have to deal with is the band with future formats. In the greatest distress, I create myself just a few terabytes of disk space (check in the cornflakes pack ;-)) and then copy the raw material before I no longer can read (and it is, I venture to predict, synonymous in 20 years or anybody that the HDV tapes over can play).
It's
never been that size quite suddenly and surprisingly from the market or from the circulation "in people" disappeared, occasionally found in the trade even brand new "video 2000" cartridges. So a little the market observe carefully maintain equipment ... anything half as bad.
BG
Andreas
Antwort von smooth-appeal:
Ultimately, it depends only s.was which you need ...
I'm sure that for pretty much every Ottonormalsterbliche synonymous nor an SD equipment ranges. Better quality images in SD than in HD MAUE ...
If you absolutely want to have HD then remains except HDV little meaningful and affordable left.
I will have several months until FX1 HD camera, then XHA1 and currently I am still hesitating. After seeing the promo videos of the new Ikegami've seen, I am very disappointed of HDV but high end and low cost are only very rarely in combination.
Whether you have a camera with the equivalent of a sports car or send a small condo must think everyone needs to know. Good conscience, I could be a device only if growth sports and house would have paid off ;-)
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
How promising is because HDV anyway? It is currently very timely, because I usually within a week, filmed on the PC and then capture some of which produces the final format. Nothing about me is what would have to edit.
If the HDV camcorder to make an impression should be the spirit of wanting to give up, then holding a new to her then current. Until then, the existing HDV camcorder for me, very timely.
Antwort von kitanai:
If the HDV camcorder to make an impression should be the spirit of wanting to give up, then holding a new to her then current. Until then, the existing HDV camcorder for me, very timely. ... it is only problematic if there is no HDV camcorder longer be produced.
gruß cj
Antwort von Udo Schröer:
Does Sony still a Hi 8 model, then it will be with the einstampfen of HDV devices still take some time!
Antwort von kitanai:
synonymous na I think that on-screen later generations our present HDV format is still beautifully sharp kanackig should be. What should really speak dagen is now a camcorder in HDV format to purchase? I think that one need not really worry about it. And if the tape or memory card to play in this respect but not synonymous role ....;)
Antwort von Udo Schröer:
I see as synonymous, for example should I throw away my 400 DVDs just because Blue Ray and HD DVD before the door is?
Antwort von c55:
This latest technology is anyway no preference.
There are people who forget filmmaking and concentrate
on possible new technique.
HD is nonsense anyway, there are already succeeded in Japan tested.
It takes even less than an HD Cam, a GS 180 is synonymous to a
Screen as a real movie ...
whether the tape or memory card to play in this respect but not synonymous role Memory card has a miserable quality, because the film is too much compressed.
I'm sure that for pretty much every Ottonormalsterbliche synonymous nor an SD equipment ranges. Better quality images in SD than in HD MAUE ... Finally a savvy hats ;-)
Antwort von Quadruplex:
HD is nonsense anyway, there are already succeeded in Japan tested. Haha - it was ten years ago you would have someone who is interested DV, probably explains that just do not buy it in Japan already HD (T) V there. What you think is 4K and is still in the medium term for most professionals and certainly too expensive for amateurs.
Memory card has a miserable quality, because the film is too much compressed. So sweeping simply nonsense. It depends on data rate and codec of.
Better quality images in SD than in HD MAUE ... Super common sense. One must probably have not been looking for modest SD camcorder to find. A good SD needs, of course, with a good HD (V)-measure camcorder - and between which you should choose.
Antwort von kitanai:
who was the really the lucky, the last night on ebay has allocated? A FX7 for 2099 via Instant Purchase!
Do five s.den seller sent emails, but received no reply, so I let it be ... At the price I buy it immediately.
Antwort von Axel:
What you think is 4K and is still in the medium term for most professionals and certainly too expensive for amateurs. ... and moronic. Exceed 1080 at a recommended viewing distance, the resolution capability of our Sehapparates already tired. If in the 2010s years living photo walls are in vogue, no one needs it.
Memory card has a miserable quality, because the film is too much compressed. First, this would be something like the maps of Panasonic P2, ie without increasing compression, just with faster cards. Secondly, it is because of what I said above, the trend in the audio section again. CDs had a Resolutionerreicht the perception of the human sense of hearing exceeded. How did it next? MP3 of the Resolutionher was a retrograde step, as far as it is compressed, that in the best case
hears no difference, but the format is practical. Audio DVDs with its 96 kHz or more are opposed shop keeper, the counterpart to 4k, which you can not make because you do not have music playing for the bats.
Better quality images in SD than in HD MAUE ... Clearly a public place. Based on consumer target audience, but again an evil Comparison with Audio: Is this home concert for flute and digital Maultrommel any better?
Antwort von Quadruplex:
Is the home concert for flute and digital Maultrommel any better? We discuss the technical quality. Holidays have always been films on Super 8 s.schönsten - after no more than three and a half minutes the cartridge was empty ... :-) And many classics of film history in black and white and mono rotated - and still you can see she always liked.
Antwort von schrenkc:
a nice HDV camera-test comparison is also in grade
Antwort von wolfgang:
This discussion here is again a matter - basically, we are talking about high consumer formats, and are currently the HDV, which is much more mature, and AVCHD, which must only intervene.
Currently, both systems were technically similar to good, with a higher AVCHD has future potential (full-HDAuflösung allowed higher data rates possible but not yet implemented, advanced codec). But AVCHD is synonymous considerable difficulties - on average, in its claims s.den PC, in the issue.
The higher potential of AVCHD, the industry must first lift and develop - and that's the fascinating question of whether just happen. The bottlenecks are less relevant recording media - but rather the prices for high quality optics and signal processing. And then for 500 Euros ....
Anyone with high quality film and wants to cut, is now much better solutions for HDV before. Since AVCHD is still a bit of an adventure - but it developed more and more.
Whether such a system so quickly? Sure, model changes, etc. fit inside ever. Only thus do not break my FX1 immediately. How long are you even his camcorder?
It is only important that you pre-purchase the camcorder on the implications of the choice of the cutting system knows about it, many items can be found here:
http://www.videotreffpunkt.com/thread.php?threadid=4169
Antwort von Quadruplex:
Because it's so beautiful relating to 'future-proofing of HDV' fits: Sonyhat just a mobile HDV recorder announced. More
Antwort von schrenkc:
Now I wait for the question: Is it synonymous for AVCHD?
Antwort von Quadruplex:
Now I wait for the question: Is it synonymous for AVCHD? He was good :-)
Antwort von hobbycut:
With AVCHD 25MBit are possible, current ca 13 realized.
Editing was a few months ago as "impossible" now
already been realized. Will mature in a few months!
If it really AVCHD cameras with 25MBit I think there should be synonymous s.den death of HDV. But so far there are only versions of the savings ... or?
Antwort von PowerDepp:
Wanted to agitate the issue again and - apart of the memory option (direct memory scene against segregation on magnetic tapes and complicated transfer) on the quality of the video to talk about. I mean, you can see in the end to convey a visual difference between HDV and AVCHD? What are your predictions?
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Wolfgang ...
good plot ... I basically agree with you, but I think that AVCHD very significant differences to HDV has.
I could make you off the call quite a handful ... (I am interested in the likes of) synonymous, that the codec must be mature yet not entirely true, because it is already there since 1996 and he only has a larger development once previously has been standardized.
And in regard to the future security, I can only say that the standard (ISO / IEC 14496), from which comes the codec actually includes 8 Session and extends until the object orientation into it. Therefore, the standard is basically behind after openly and bring a whole Buquet s.neuen opportunities and expansions.
But, as I said, who are interested ....
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Power Depp
.... jau, there are quite striking visual differences between HDV and AVCHD!
Otherwise, see above ...
Antwort von wolfgang:
@ Wolfgang ...
good plot ... I basically agree with you, but I think that AVCHD very significant differences to HDV has.
I could make you off the call quite a handful ... (I am interested in the likes of) synonymous, that the codec must be mature yet not entirely true, because it is already there since 1996 and he only has a larger development once previously has been standardized.
The fact that the codec itself is not new, it is always clear. What we currently see more - and it is meant - is that different camcorder Manufacturer-just different versions of the codecs implemented in their devices, and equipment of this generation to generation, but still changing. And in practice enormous problems.
And in regard to the future security, I can only say that the standard (ISO / IEC 14496), from which comes the codec actually includes 8 Session and extends until the object orientation into it. Therefore, the standard is basically behind after openly and bring a whole Buquet s.neuen opportunities and expansions.
But, as I said, who are interested .... That the AVCHD codec has enormous potential - in any case na!
The only question is whether the industry will raise the synonymous - to full-HD, it is yes, but hardly with the appropriate optics and the appropriate signal processing. If that, and you can still use a higher data rate, then the HDV hinwseg quickly sweep. Is holding the question of whether this comes, and if so at what price.
Antwort von Kenshin:
Hello Wolfgang ...
jau, because I go completely ... but if you look at the errors committed safeguards, which are now in the transport stream to the tapes to be written (and read the minutes at the play), one can understand why the Manufacturer go to other media (have). The air is out of the recording format and get out so I think the transition to other records inevitable. And just because H.264 in MPEG2 transport stream mapping is a logical step ....
I think it will go very quickly now .. (1 / 2-1 year), up the chain of the acquisition until the broadcast is closed.
When I see how many real-time H.264 encoder in at the last NAB were presented ... It can be inferred when (and what) the broadcaster will install. So I think the format we have long maintained.
Antwort von WoWu:
.. hallo Wolfgang ..
.. somehow I was at my post just have not logged ....
