Frage von darklord77:
Hi,
The HV30 has the movie mode as far as I understand he makes the edges a little softer. This mode is optional with the 25pf recording mode combine. I have tried to find out what exactly with this mode could bring.
Under 25p can only relatively langsamme pans or movements begin, right? For me, this sounds rather than disadvantage, is not it?
I would like to create a video of this hatt eigendlich Scheller only one scene, the rest are shots and stills. The video will later on DVD (PAL) and as a stream on the monitor to be seen.
What kind of benefits I would have 25p?
Antwort von Ernesto:
you have several pre-and disadvantages.
25p better:
Full record
staircase pattern with no lines
zb post. color, mask, etc.
lowlight
just to name a few
cons:
only sensitive, slow pans, otherwise it jerky
less Movement Resolution
just to name a few
there are examples in which almost no 25p Jerkiness:
http://de.youtube.com/krokymovie
Antwort von Moritzk:
you have several pre-and disadvantages.
25p better:
Full record
staircase pattern with no lines
zb post. color, mask, etc.
lowlight
just to name a few
cons:
only sensitive, slow pans, otherwise it jerky
less Movement Resolution
just to name a few
there are examples in which almost no 25p Jerkiness:
http://de.youtube.com/krokymovie The Berlin video is synonymous but in this movie mode, right?
What to do with the SonyHDR-SR11E from this to this so-called Movie Mode?
Antwort von Ernesto:
there are examples in which almost no 25p Jerkiness:
http://de.youtube.com/krokymovie
The Berlin video is synonymous but in this movie mode, right?
What to do with the SonyHDR-SR11E from this to this so-called Movie Mode? as far as I know, has been in post nachgeholfen and the cinema mode is not related.
Antwort von darklord77:
Hm .. I think about whether I grade the Project in 25p recording or not. One or 2 fast movements (jumps) are there to see.
But that should not be a problem eigendlich or?
What irritates me is the one a little "film look" (I know there is one still ne whole lot else) can get.
Would you record in 25p?
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
Why do not you try just for you from?
There are lots of people who exclusively with 25pf record.
Antwort von domain:
Yes, the miserable part of the "film look" you can realize with super 25p, all other major parts but barely.
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
Bad experiences in Graz done?
One gives me HDV (PF25) for the Canon HV30, more light when shooting in dark churches. Combined with "Spotlight" I have very nice s.Samstag completely noise-free images, even under such conditions:
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Antwort von Ernesto:
a picture is one thing, moving pictures is another. artifacts and image noise can be seen only when moving.
Antwort von WoWu:
And the Picture is synonymous Bruno only meant as a joke have ....
If one feels when lit, then you can of course equally synonymous with attached lens cover shoot.
Antwort von domain:
Bad experiences in Graz done?
Is synonymous over Graz beyond when historically, the mechanics of the film cameras and projectors, plus the pure film s.sich cost and the size of the film spools and reconnected so that the handling and transport of these roles are not played such a role would then have you're in the founding years of cinema like plucked to 48 fps.
But it was a science in itself, in the movies of the 24 fps bucking through a variety of measures to prevent and minimize visible.
Today, there are certainly some enthusiasts Kineasten and, in their blindness really believe that this low framerate an aesthetic feature film would s.sich. All nonsense, it is a pure visual habits, nothing else.
Bruno BTW, your picture was not really serious, right?
ND4 well when recording on the Lens had.
Antwort von domain:
Because here from time to time special Lowlightfähigkeiten of Consumer Cameras requested: Here is a picture of a 1 / 3 "Consumer Camera (JVC HD40), recorded at dark night in Sharm el Sheikh with normal incandescent lighting of the night clubs. How dim it was there, you can s . the rather average standard fluorescent lighting of the rear window recognize expenses.
zum Bild Of course the picture is not perfect, banding and motion blur, etc., but better than Bruno's in the spot light Finsternus yet all.
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
Bruno BTW, your picture was not really serious, right?
ND4 well when recording on the Lens had. It looked so dark in there, the recording is almost the picture of reality, I like this and it looks great on your HDTV, because of a right-Lowlight mood. I hate lighter synthetic images, but I will not be the night into day, is not synonymous afternoon ...
The evening mood evening mood will remain and tomorrow morning and the mood of the day should not be on the night and the night into day.
I know is on your electronic "Aufhübschungen," I do not!
Calibrate your monitor times ...
Antwort von WoWu:
Nee, Bruno ... no electronic whitening, but slightly drawing in black would have been nice to even be able to see what was between them, in black floating bright spots is ....
Antwort von domain:
In one you have right Bruno, it makes little sense, the gain is always full on. What is black, black is synonymous to stay. That is why I have my recording synonymous with only the gain medium of the JVC uses. The entire gain is almost useless because it is synonymous the shadows rather aufhellt, keep longer an absolute last resort.
Antwort von WoWu:
The secret of a good camera is not synonymous in the gain, but in a reasonable sensor with a pixel pitch, which absorbs enough photons, and has a good signal to noise ratio.
Gain must be synonymous not only gain hot, it can be synonymous a multiple readout of the sensor, when different gradations.
There are many ways to a good picture to come but then the synonymous drawing in black has. The eye may be drawing so synonymous with candlelight still perceive .... just these sensors are not bonsai.
Antwort von domain:
The Vollformatsensoren our former silver film cameras (ie min. 24 * 36mm) With Lens 1:1,2-luminous and geichzeitg 1600 ASA provided a picture, which was significantly worse than that of the EX1 and in every respect.
I believe that many users do not even know how much the film grain in all primary colors sparkling even then could disrupt and sensational as the technology has been developed.
Instead, our lament burgeoning eisblumenartig Vampire night soo modest about the abilities of their equipment ...
Antwort von WoWu:
Well, although it will of course not a natural law is that everything must remain as it once was ... Synonymous, I can still remember that my first DKW never faster than 120km / h drove.
So why should not our modern cameras slightly closer s.die properties of human vision heranreichen?
Instead, just everything in the production of cheap and the manufacturer is striving to remain at the "old DKW" orientation .... and how it seems to me, are you so synonymous? Or mistaken impression of me?
Antwort von domain:
The impression is deceptive because you WoWu now I drive the Porsche and not VW Beetle, so I'll stick meanwhile s.Puls the time, when CO2 as synonymous moderate environmental pig.
Antwort von r.p.television:
The word "cinema look" or "Film Look" in conjunction with the mode "25p" or synonymous 24p (or 23.96) is slowly added to the annoying word.
I can understand the whole 25p or 24p in the video sector, nothing to offer.
Without precise technical details to know:
It is probably so that the chemical film, the 24 frames much softer overlap with the current aperture of the camera.
Who knows more about it can perhaps better explain.
Moreover, it is true of course that it was as we agreed on 24p a compromise from an economic and logistical reasons was.
With today's technology to existing conscious movement to renounce resolution is about as exclusive as a Ferrari in the game to move roads.
50P, otherwise do nothing!
Antwort von WoWu:
Since I am close to .... and I am a drauf setz'noch:
And in addition at least a pixel pitch of 6-9 ¼ and then all of 1 / 2 "down into the bin.
Antwort von domain:
But everything is in the making WoWu, you need only peace and serenity to keep and have come against all experience of life is always better ways to play.
Video Cameras with owl eyes and Duttel detection and ass at the same time, with minor facial and whose blue eyes blur with production included.
Antwort von WoWu:
You say it ... but you do not think that is the wrong direction? So how do you share the optimism .... it looks really more then that, we will soon be in the same chip video cameras, as in mobile phones and the images are only from colored edges exist. But when the chips are so small already, then at least the cheap lens ... and the consumer is already accustomed s.schlechte images, which he is forecast to be HD. As can actually only the question of 24 or 25p are .... I am amazed that there is still 15p None has tried, so to say as a homage s.den silent. That would be much more practical, then fell away synonymous Color ... is already at a meager balance is reduced.
No, no, domain, I'm afraid your optimism ends really useless software tools and not in better designs.
(But I think it was synonymous meant)
Antwort von deti:
The entire flat panel display industry, which currently lives in the minimum frame rate and high Resolutionmöglichst to make. So I can see quite clearly because of who brings what ;-)
Deti
PS: 50P rules!
Antwort von domain:
You have certainly a serious and at the same time, significant life decision WoWu that I failed to stop.
Thus, I will stop a bit shorter.
The Picture is from last summer from South Tirol
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Antwort von r.p.television:
A Boxster? You said you drive the Porsche!
Your poverty sick me!
;-)
Antwort von r.p.television:
Since I am close to .... and I am a drauf setz'noch:
And in addition at least a pixel pitch of 6-9 ¼ and then all of 1 / 2 "down into the bin. Because I would even go next:
Since the 5D Mark II, I expect only one with over-& Undercranking, Vollformatsensor and an EF bayonet.
Final terms such as stooped with light. The sensor size is an issue of noise yesterday and finally a wonderful Bokeh possible. The fact that it is technically possible is yes Canon has proven.
Those who argue that you can generate in the EB-field limited to the film, I reply: The beneficial aperture area for EF lenses is much greater and you can safely with Aperture 22 filmed. Since then as previously synonymous everything sharp.
I any case I will for the transfer involves a 5D Mark II for sale - instead of a good-DOF - because the 5D MKII can do better.
Antwort von domain:
A Boxster? You said you drive the Porsche!
Your poverty sick me
Zipft myself so synonymous, that I am a girl with Porsche with only 252 hp umherschleichen, but I want more I can not afford, not specifically about Austria with ¬ 1000 - psallein only for CO2-based car tax without insurance
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
As a non-wedding film, non-professional, but as an amateur filmmaker tour my opinion on the above topics:
The word "cinema look" or "Film Look" in conjunction with the mode "25p" or synonymous 24p (or 23.96) is slowly added to the annoying word. Since you have right ...
You must reach the HV30 distinguish between:
Movie mode: zum Bild The movie mode of the HV30 is roughly equivalent to the CINE gamma curve [cine1] of the above image which is actually from the manual of the Canon XLH1 dates. Tonkurve This is not as hard as the typical video display. The Picture is a larger dynamic range when recording in low light the image noise is much less obvious, synonymous radiation tends to overwrite objects are much better drawn. For sharing of HDV25 (PF25), the recording sensitivity doubled compared to the 50i recording, which is very weak light is important. With some Gustom-presets can be further corrections, I know how, because I've test driven.
What a gamma-correction effect, we see
hier.
HDV25 (PF25)
Here in this small Ruckeleffekt horizontal pans or camera angles to the moving objects is generated. I like this Ruckeeffekt not synonymous. I put together this mode but with "Spotlight" like in low light recording, due to a higher sensitivity without a host to gain low-noise / low-noise video with such a small camera to make and they are very good, if synonymous Picture in my posting above, at first sight may appear too dark. Yes Wowu, synonymous in the dark places are still available on the drawing HDTV ...
To these ugly Ruckeleffekte to oppress, swivel, hier.
I very slowly and I suppose moving objects only at an acute angle at right angles to the camera. So I used to HDV25 (PF25)-only mode for the light gain in low light.
With some Gustom-presets can be synonymous here further corrections, I know how, because I've test driven.
Gainbegrenzung with the help of a light source and exposure-blockade:
With a little calibration against the weak light of stalled due to host tests, I know how much exposure levels manual I must admit to the gain at +3 to +6 and thus to limit the noise synonymous. As a light source calibration run with my Navi to an callable white JPEG Picture with. That works wonderfully, synonymous if a little preparation time is needed. With this method, I get more out of the camera in low light than in the above method.
Night-long recording mode
Well that is synonymous of Tripod from naturally possible.
Footnotes, margin Alien observations of mine:
So to say, I do not yammer on about the high level of weak light of my ability and hier.
compact HV30 HC 3, I come with the many features of these cameras spzifischen cope. Is it too dark, I hear on to film or I'm doing Light!
Who with this camera class is not for them, please there is so much the prosumer camera class ..., everything is more bulky, cumbersome, expensive, light-sensitive ... But not necessarily with a better Luminanzauflösung, but hier.
with more CAs for more money!
For me as a tour film, these small HDV cameras such as HV30 or HC3 ideal Reisebeglieter, very compact and inconspicuous. Moreover, I was so over the editable s.leichtesten HD source material in the world, which I unterwegs (often doing 2-month tours by motorhome, because everything must fit together will be fun to play with the Filmerei!) On my laptop plus USB hard can pre-drive redundant. The cut, we can by HDV Camera synonymous in our motorhome in SDTV ever vorgucken. With two HDV cameras can I as synonymous for the purposes of archiving out-and-forth
Antwort von darklord77:
@ Peter Bruno
Thanks for the comprehensive explanation. I guess I will not in the Project 25p recording but quite normal and the cinema mode.
Antwort von ruessel:
The movie mode of the HV30 is roughly equivalent to the CINE gamma curve [cine1] of the above image which is actually from the manual of the Canon XLH1 dates. Tonkurve This is not as hard as the typical video display. The Picture is a larger dynamic range when recording,
I look at the picture correctly, I have the bottom left corner where all the curves converge "depth black" and right above "bright white". Since all curves s.den same score in question, how is because the dynamic range between the darkest and brightest pixel larger? Only within the dynamic range of the camera, there are actually a few meaningless shifts .....
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
Canon issue, the chart is so in your camera manual.
Antwort von krokymovie:
a picture of a 1 / 3 "Consumer Camera (JVC HD40), recorded in dark night
stock under dark, the viewer sees something different.
in comparison to bruno's building (realistic), yours is taghell.
I think the charm of the night must be maintained.
gruß kroky
Antwort von DigiDau:
I am not yet willing to s.meiner can HV30 in 25pf to film. Is it really that separate tapes for 25pf and 50i should use? If at least in the HV30 Manual.
I would find cumbersome.
Antwort von domain:
a picture of a 1 / 3 "Consumer Camera (JVC HD40), recorded in dark night
stock under dark, the viewer sees something different.
in comparison to bruno's building (realistic), yours is taghell.
I think the charm of the night must be maintained.
gruß kroky
I meant that the traditional pubs in the Naama Bay in the open and there is little darker than nights in the desert there.
So if a current 1 / 3 "Camera synonymous with intentionally dämmrigen Lighting of the premises for them, then I understand the whole Jammerei for allegedly still much too low sensitivity to light of today's consumer devices are not really so.
Antwort von Jogi:
A Boxster? You said you drive the Porsche!
Your poverty sick me
Zipft myself so synonymous, that I am a girl with Porsche with only 252 hp umherschleichen, but I want more I can not afford, not specifically about Austria with ¬ 1000 - psallein only for CO2-based car tax without insurance
Perhaps there's an electric Porsche will soon be the only 120 km / h fast. Then fit the synonymous to WoWu's DKW and environmental domains as synonymous's wallet is synonymous with the best. :-)
Antwort von Alan Smithee:
Is it really that separate tapes for 25pf and 50i should use? If at least in the HV30 Manual.
I would find cumbersome.
No, because pressing the manual a bit vague from. This involves switching between DV and HDV, probably because your program to capture anger makes when after an HDV DV scene scene (or vice versa) comes. The tip with its own tape for each format has the advantage for the Canon, therefore, less likely to support questions asked.
When playing an HDV (PF25)-mode does not even recognize the camera itself, whether it be progressive or interlaced recorded material. -> The pictures are nominated than 25 frames / sec. from the sensor, but as of 2 fields on the tape - and thus the recording HDV2 standard would be compliant.
