Newsmeldung von slashCAM: IBC - Sonynennt further details of the PMW-EX1 HD Handycam Of rudi - 6 Sep 2007 19:10:00
Previously under the code name XDCAM EX which has Sonynun further details of the first professional camcorder memory cards from your own home presents. The new PMW-EX1 XDCAM EX carries the nickname of consumer Handycam, perhaps synonymous with the surprisingly low price is due for just 6500 euros (plus VAT) will be the Camera's available from November. She draws not only many common HD video formats like 1080/50i/30P/25P/24P and 720/50P, but has (like Panasonics Varicam) synonymous Slow and Quick Motion Recording. Filed a maximum of two 16-GB PC Express solid-state memory cards, each of the 16 GB "SxS PRO" hour of video cards (at 25 Mbit / s) set. The maximum frame rate is, however, as expected at 35 Mbit / s. To use MPEG2.
Professionals will be at this price, especially for the three large 1/2-inch CMOS sensors are pleased to FullHD natively support it. One unconfirmed report says that even the Cam-SDI output. Also eligible for the pro lenses: Fujinon produces 14fach Zoom Lens, which has three rings for manual Zoom, Focus and Aperture provides. The Wide Anglelässt with 32 mm also good guess. And even the controls sound very promising. As the CineAlta there are 4 different CineGammaKurven, and real histograms. The 3.5-inch display has a Resolutionvon 640 x 480 x 3, which is an absolute record in this area.
Who all wants to see exactly Specs -
ein Datenblatt findet sich hier. An accessories wird ein Viewing-Deck , ein externes USB -PC Express Disk-Drive sowie eine speziellen Weitwinkel-Adapters geben. Letzterer ist jedoch bei ca. 32mm Weitwinkel (KB) der PMW-EX1 nur für extreme Einsatzfelder notwendig. Insgesamt will Sonydamit klar wieder Panasonic with P2 and Canon with der G1 angreifen. Wir sind auf die ersten Demo-Shots gespannt.
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Antwort von Jordanius:
720p/50 ...!!! if the images are quite good: Won! Armes Panasonic have with PCMCIA on the wrong standard. However, a criticism: Do the thing so extreme after Canon look like? Will look at plagiarism feelings.
Antwort von Realit:
One unconfirmed report says that even the Cam-SDI Output
In PDF, this is synonymous to read it, so why unconfirmed?
Antwort von Login_vergessen:
Well ... MPEG format with Long-GOP's against intra frame compression
4:2:2 to 4:2:0 Farbsampling
35 Mbit / S to 100 Mbit / s
All this for about 2000 euros more? Even the XLR connections are still stupid s.der agency resources that are found.
... so the hammer is for me yet ...
Antwort von HeikoS:
DVCProHD is 4:2:2!
Because there is only the luma signal unterabgetastet already.
Sony Offers Full Raster however. The variable data rate in 35MBits MIGHT quite good. Kommt halt entirely on the quality of the encoder depends on.
Had I not synonymous although somewhat higher data rate is desired (eg 50Mbit) but I think that the HVX will be cut to length.
Antwort von HeikoS:
And before this is discussed:
"DVC PRO HD 1080 line similarly squeezes its 8-bit pictures into 6.35 mm DVCPRO cassettes p.100 Mbps using DV compression s.6.7: 1 DVC PRO HD subsamples the picture to 1280 x 1080, tossing away 33 percent of the horizontal resolution . DVC PRO HD uses 4:2:2 sampling, but that's based on the reduced sampling luma: chroma is 640 x 1080, the same s.in HDCAM. "
Source: http://www.dv.com/columns/columns_item.php?articleId=55301757
This applies at 60i, 50i refers to the "4:2:2" relative to a luma signal of 1440 x 1080
Antwort von PowerMac:
No.. The Chroma-Under Sampling refers to the Resolutiondes format.
DVCProHD has 25i/25p at 1440x1080 pixels with 4:2:2 and 8 bit. (1280x1080 at 30i/30p).
HDV is synonymous 1440x1080 pixels, but at 4:2:0 and 8 bit. This is synonymous for XDCAM HD. This is regardless of the physical Resolutiondes chips.
Antwort von PowerMac:
Read brochure. Geil! HD-SDI with TC and audio. Uvm.
Antwort von HeikoS:
Then read the brochure again accurate, PowerMac.
No.. The Chroma-Under Sampling refers to the Resolutiondes format.
DVCProHD has 25i/25p at 1440x1080 pixels with 4:2:2 and 8 bit. (1280x1080 at 30i/30p).
HDV is synonymous 1440x1080 pixels, but at 4:2:0 and 8 bit. This is synonymous for XDCAM HD. This is regardless of the physical Resolutiondes chips.
Antwort von PowerMac:
Thank you for these non-relevant reference. Relevant is the technical documentation of DVCProHD and HDV through.
Statements such as "(...) is not 4:2:2 DVCProHD! (...)" Are nothing but false.
Antwort von HeikoS:
Then again gaaanz slowly:
The 4:2:2 refers to DVCProHD and Co on a Lumasignal of 1440 pixels horizontally.
The Sonyhingegen provides FULL-RASTER. There 4:2:0 refers to the 1920 pixels.
Is that so hard to see?
Thank you for these non-relevant reference. Relevant is the technical documentation of DVCProHD and HDV through.
Statements such as "(...) is not 4:2:2 DVCProHD! (...)" Are nothing but false.
Antwort von Login_vergessen:
... nevertheless, I think that the HVX will be cut to length.
Maybe synonymous is a question of the application. As an ENG camera, the DVX100 is widespread. I could well imagine that the HVX200 here to see more soon will be. Why synonymous for news, which is still a few days in SD broadcast, an HD camera to use. DVCPro50 do it safely as synonymous. Therefore, rather the camp for those interested in this camera, the more dramatic or documentary shoot. Should it not rather JVC with its GY-HD100/200 fear?
Antwort von rudi:
Then again gaaanz slowly:
The 4:2:2 refers to DVCProHD and Co on a Lumasignal of 1440 pixels horizontally.
The Sonyhingegen provides FULL-RASTER. There 4:2:0 refers to the 1920 pixels.
Is that so hard to see?
I do not want to even more confusion, but perhaps it is easier to understand:
The HVX200 records either
960 x 720 pixels (as 720p)
or
1280 x 1080 pixels (as 1080i)
on. (Really true, I could not believe once synonymous).
This is significantly less than luma pixel HDV with 1440 x 1080 or even 1920 x 1080th
If now with 4:2:2 to 960 or 1280 pixels recorded, then the picture cut still on the 1280, 1440 or 1920 pixels will be inflated, in order to correctly shown to be 16:9. After inflation is of course no longer 4:2:2 but rather something like 4:1,75:1,75 (relative to 1440).
If I read it, I wonder whether this is the case now makes clear, but before I gence now in the garbage can join ... Submit and duck ...
rudi
The PS with the unconfirmed SDI output was, therefore, that we only get the data sheet had when the news was already written, a corrected update but still this afternoon (GB ussynonymous how much will be supplied.)
Antwort von HeikoS:
But refer to the 1280 synonymous to the 50i mode? That would be stupid.
In 50i mode, so in comparison to 60i 20% more bandwidth per Picture available (60/50). If not used?
Antwort von rudi:
But refer to the 1280 synonymous to the 50i mode? That would be stupid.
In 50i mode, so in comparison to 60i 20% more bandwidth per Picture available (60/50). If not used?
According to my recollection, it was synonymous with 50i only 1280 pixels, but am happy to teach better. Panasonic itself has so little info online. (anyone has a reliable link?)
Antwort von SR:
There is a synonymous
Antwort von SR:
Oh yes: in the SonyPage
Antwort von Marco:
"Do you, for what the connection front s.Handgriff" Remote Lens "could be?"
As the name says, it is used for remote control of lens functions.
Marco
Antwort von SR:
Already, but how does it work exactly with what you can control - there is somewhere a Page with more information?
Antwort von PowerMac:
No. Twice.
1.) has DVCProHD at 25 frames per second, so 25i and 25p a Resolutionvon 1440x1080. I've already proved in the forum:
DVCProHD (100 MBit) is exactly four DVCPRO (25 Mb). Therefore it can not be otherwise.
1280x1024 x 60 fields = 100 Mbps x 50 = 1440x1080 fields
"(...) The" trick "s.DVC PRO HD with 100MBit, which is exactly 4x DVCPRO (25), which is 4 x the DV PAL Picture Picture shows the DVCPRO so DVC PRO HD is twice as high and twice as wide as DVCPRO and 2 x 720 The results 1440. 1440 the Width and Height must be divisible by 4 is a 4:2:2 subsampling possible. "
2) The pixel pitch or chip resolution, unfortunately, completely irrelevant. Chroma subsampling by definition refers to the Resolutiondes format (1440x1080 for HDV and DVCProHD). The order so I can explain: readout chip, interpolation, pixel shift, what ever at 1440x1080. Application of Chroma subsampling. Then Compression. XDCAM HD, HDV and DVCProHD characterized in 1080/25 at 1440x1080 all the storage media on. And that relates chroma sub-sampling.
Antwort von HeikoS:
That's all nice and well explained, but .....
everywhere is clear and clearly show that:
The EX1 in 35MBits mode records full raster. In 25MBit mode characterized it at 1440.
Antwort von PowerMac:
This is either a mistake or a new variant of the standard. XDCAM HD can record up to 1440x1080. This is defined as synonymous.
Antwort von PowerMac:
If anything, it looks like this:
HxV: 1440x1080 4:2:2
EX1: 1920x1080 4:2:0
Nevertheless, the HVX 4:2:2.
Antwort von HeikoS:
Oh well since then has not someone listen when constructing the Camera, tss tss. But perhaps even more so via the software update replaced so that the official definitions of the standard is again ....
This is either a mistake or a new variant of the standard. XDCAM HD can record up to 1440x1080. This is defined as synonymous.
Antwort von HeikoS:
HVX: 4 Pears: 2 Banana: 2 Banana
EX1: 4 apples: 2 Banana: 0 bananas
What you use a nomenclature in which apples = pears are?
If anything, it looks like this:
HxV: 1440x1080 4:2:2
EX1: 1920x1080 4:2:0
Nevertheless, the HVX 4:2:2.
Antwort von PowerMac:
Well then, in absolute figures:
518400 Chromapixel has XDCAM HD at 1920x1080 (if it really exists.)
777600 Chromapixel has DVCProHD at 1440x1080.
Antwort von Jan:
Panasonic Broadcast will be synonymous not quite confirm the s.Ende rauskommt 4.2.2. Somehow you get dubious statements. I must again my Pana HVX prospectuses through ...
Well that's nothing new synonymous in the consumer class is still clearly lied. Example, on the SR 7 is a big sign "Full HD 1080" - so clear the CMOS may 1080 Full HD - there is just the same as with almost all consumer cameras (except HD 7, SD 5 & DX 5) worked with 1440x1080 - Mogelpackung.
Just like the 3 "and 3.5" LCD of Sony & Nikon allegedly with 921,000 pixels - 307,000 per channel! - I think quite as brash as the moment with Kundenverarsche off.
I think the PMW EX 1 somehow less aesthetically.
VG
Jan
Antwort von SR:
The EX1 uses 3x1 / 2 inch "Exmore" CMOS sensors with a full-raster 1920x1080 resolution. In a move that is sure to please many people so the camera records a full 1920x1080 picture too instead of subsampling to 1440x1080 (s.well s.being able to record in 1440 mode for compatibility with existing XDCAM HD hardware). This of course means that the EX1's recording codec is higher in resolution than its bigger brothers from the XDCAM HD line! The EX file format is also slightly different to other XDCAM cameras. Because the EX1 is aimed s.the same market level s.cameras such s.the HVX200, Sonyhave decided to ditch the MXF file wrapper that the professional line of XDCAM HD camcorders use. Instead they have used s.MP4 wrapper for higher compatibility with NLE's such s.Premiere Pro, which do not currently support the existing XDCAM line.
http://www.simonwyndham.co.uk/xdcam-pmw-ex1.html
Antwort von PowerMac:
Strictly speaking, I have quite: XDCAM HD (1440) is something other than the new XDCAM EX (1920).
Antwort von Jan:
I do not know what the English-speaking permanent Articles presented here are - who tells you the user to 100% right, no preference whether U.S. Forum X, Y or Z?
VG
Jan
Antwort von HeikoS:
Strictly, no one has asked this question, you've now answered.
It was purely to the front of the EX1. And nothing else.
But beautiful, that Sony's catalogs but not einstampfen needs. I'm really glad ....
Strictly speaking, I have quite: XDCAM HD (1440) is something other than the new XDCAM EX (1920).
Antwort von PowerMac:
DVCProHD is 4:2:2! (...)
Panasonic may be used for this claim to Happiness booklets einstampfen not synonymous.
(...) The EX1 in 35MBits mode records full raster (...)
Does not synonymous, incidentally. It may be synonymous with XDCAM HD 35 Mb, not only XDCAM EX.
Antwort von PowerMac:
Slobber, which I will definitely buy!
http://www.dvuser.co.uk/content.php?CID=171
Antwort von PLux:
who tells you the user to 100% right, no preference whether U.S. Forum X, Y or Z?
clearly before the thing is not in the hands had or truly objective test reports has read, of course you can never be sure.
As for the two test reports concerned (Nigel Cooper and Simon Wyndham), so the two of Sonyendorsed. This has nothing bad, because after all there are the two test reports between the lines just a little more clarity. But you should already be read with open eyes.
Who ever in the right projects with an XDCAM HD 350 has worked, the fact is clear what quality it is. To close the EX1 is (which I actually believe themselves synonymous), you would have a gigantic leap forward. For regular Postpro are 4:2:0 course a little tight, but whoever it is apart, it is synonymous probably more than 6,500 ¬ invest.
An interesting question that I still could not be resolved: Should the HD-SDI output only the compressed signal, or perhaps uncompressed HD? If so, then could the cam with an external recorder truly versatile use.
Synonymous But if that's not the case, I have to say that the desire for more features to make - particularly the "manual" lens should be a giant step forward - but I must to the thing itself in the hands of time have had.
Antwort von PowerMac:
HD-SDI as well as transfers out in the prospectus-uncompressed HD in 4:2:2, together with time code and audio! Therefore, for studio production, etc. suitable.
Antwort von PS2:
Slobber, which I will definitely buy!
whether you are a Tshirt then synonymous with the right logo as Nigel Cooper.
Antwort von PowerMac:
That would be my understanding but not tasteless enough ...
Squirts ketchup on the T-shirt would be great.
Antwort von PLux:
Thanks for the HD-SDI Info, Powermac ... :)
z.Thema T-shirt: but not ketchup splashes ... if yes, then ne slime track:)
Why did the way, Mr. Nigel already a EX1? Well, because it is the thing in Amsterdam for Sonyvorstellt. That is why one should test his report with caution enjoy (but not quite synonymous blame).
Antwort von PowerMac:
This is perhaps strange, but I can picture the well imagine. A low-noise, very sharp picture with good colors. Like the FX7, only better. Legal brilliantly and with great depth blur. Thus, in the direction of F350.
Antwort von K.Bean:
Transfer from Final Cut Pro Forum:
"Now I have the thing (EX1) times in the hand held at IBC. Still prototype, only the HD-SDI output to work, other inputs and outputs are still lacking. What do you want as judge? Gar nix. But the thing is certain toll. What you see is a practical, highly weitwinkliges zoom with macro. And the camera is filming in my wardrobe: s.dunklen Sony stand is the picture already with Aperture 1.9 and overexposed 0dB, 18dB at the White Viewfinder . Cool!
I have the thing still has not ordered because the workflow is stuck. The portable XDCAM drive, which is for backup and archiving would be perfect, is - uh - READ ONLY! Part of the letter may only after a software update in 2008. On something I do not want. "
Antwort von robbie:
naja, software update should come in january, the camera is s.november available. in december you have it probably. there are these two months have still somehow bridge ...
and oh yes, the theme runterkonvertieren of 1920 to 1440, when the entire disc to be copied .... if you do not have XDCAM - disk wants, in any XDCAM - maz is playable, then you can yes the 1920s - files synonymous in general - folders on the disk, as you can to save *.* ...
Antwort von K.Bean:
--- And what will happen with as transitions from the format? Which format you write on the disc?
Antwort von robbie:
What do you mean format with transitions?
You searched on the SxS - yes just your card. MXF - files are located. . MXF is just a container, such as. ... avi there can be an IMX, a synonymous DVCAM or HD - trinnenliegen material.
This. MXF - a file from xdcamEX (in 35MBits) is not compatible with the format xdcamHD the whole xdcamHD Mazen publishers (1440x1080).
If you now simply xdcamEX - file directly into the general - on a XDCAM Orner - disc copy, then you can through FAM or LAN or USB as a normal drive to access it, only the VTR can not file for example or HDSDI something else to spend.
Reiner then your data storage disk so you can just Projektdatein, pictures, photos, ... then save it ...
Format conversion of 1920 to 1440 will NOT be held.
Antwort von PowerMac:
So far, it can completely normal HDV recording and MP4s with XDCAM EX with 35 Mbit / s and "Full Raster".
Antwort von HeikoS:
(...) The EX1 in 35MBits mode records full raster (...)
Does not synonymous, incidentally. It may be synonymous with XDCAM HD 35 Mb, not only XDCAM EX.
Boah, colleague! Text understanding is not really your strength, right?
You can but the sentence does not read out, whether I get a exclusive recording grid in 1920 in this mode under stelle!
You should see you sometime antrainieren,
"Not true!", "False", and "yes I did somehow ultimately right" not constantly at the inopportune occasions knee-jerk rauszupusten.
Antwort von robbie:
And by the way they can in HQ - Fashion (until now) only FullHD ...
HQ mode: 1920 x 1080/50i, 25P, 1280 x 720/50P, 25P
SP mode: 1440 x 1080/50i
from the datasheet ...
Antwort von PowerMac:
(...)
Boah, colleague! Text understanding is not really your strength, right?
You can but the sentence does not read out, whether I get a exclusive recording grid in 1920 in this mode under stelle! (...)
And how! My logic lectures are already a while ago, but it is logical in your statement: "(...) [that] the EX1 in 35MBits mode records full raster. In 25MBit mode characterized it at 1440. (¥ ...)" So we at "A" record in "y". For "b" recording in "x". This is an indicative of a case that applies, as it is worded in the singular. "y" and "x", therefore, come only once. If there are other subsets, so you have to write in the plural or the existence of possible subsets by "inter alia" label.
Now you may select. Your statement that you have meant otherwise, has been transformed by Mikko reports as now proved correct. * * Säuselnd: wilt thou prefer logically wrong technically and legally, or do you want to formally defend your logic and knowledge to admit wrong?
Antwort von jogol:
If the format to MPEG2 long GOP is based, is it then not have the same diseases as the HDV as pans look very bad?
Antwort von the machine:
And by the way they can in HQ - Fashion (until now) only FullHD ...
HQ mode: 1920 x 1080/50i, 25P, 1280 x 720/50P, 25P
SP mode: 1440 x 1080/50i
from the datasheet ...
Hmm interesting ... Since when does 1280x720 Full HD?
Your statement is net really well!
Antwort von robbie:
This is 720p ... lern times the basic ...
Antwort von FragMichTot:
Sersn erstmal.
Ned Beat me if my questions are stupid, but I know I ned so as to understand and so I shall not do:
1. How long is the GOP, say if I've NEN pixel errors, as long as my picture looks shit from then?
2. How shall I have the sharpness, if my LCD is VF (640x480 display, VF LINE !!!!!!!! 1120x 225)? Has a strange thing as zoom-in magnification Dingens in VF? And what do I do if my motive outside of the Zoom-in magnification Dingens lies? Rates? Full-HD Reference Monitor Class 1 for about EUR 10k plus diesel generator from Assi mitschleifen approved?
3. How do I get the material (EX XDCAM HD MXF = non-conformist?) In my AVID? Convert with his extra tool of sourceforge.net / crap-funzt-ned? Or in real-MAZ invite? Why then XDCAM?
4. What's in the context of the then great PDW-700 can be expected?
All in all, the camera seems well but rather on the Con-, maybe just on the Prosumermarkt as "Ich-brauch-mal-ne-small-Cam-because-I-the-Great-ned-so-fast-can-away "Camera prerogatives.
Professional image quality with 1/2-inch chips at 1920x1080 and Long-GOP? Hm ... * accountable * ... * denk * ...
My DVCam has 2/3-inch at 720x576 ... No MPEG-Long-GOP-Scheiss ... And who has already NEN HD-DVD or Blue Rauy Disc player, let alone a full-HD television, the synonymous only a half as good as a Picture EUR 300 cheaper SonyCRT-Television throws ...
If you ask me, the camera is a pure marketing Verarsche and the attempt of Sonyein little spot in the big Tapeless competitors P2 wild ...
But as I said ... ich kenn mich da ned so ... ;-)
Antwort von king_lijaone:
But as I said ... ich kenn mich da ned so ... ;-)
remembers it. if your latest synonymous DVCAM times the spirit or abandon a customer is hd - production is required (the devil knows what he needs today) will be synonymous YOU think about HD. Then comes the EX2 or 3, or buy you though the F700. but long-gop synonymous. otherwise I recommend HDCAM.
Antwort von HeikoS:
1. How long is the GOP, say if I've NEN pixel errors, as long as my picture looks shit from then?
You mean NEN Dropout .... pixel errors are something else.
Since this is not recorded on tape, it should not really go wrong. Or how often do you have data errors on your hard drive?
2. How shall I have the sharpness, if my LCD is VF (640x480 display, VF LINE !!!!!!!! 1120x 225)? Has a strange thing as zoom-in magnification Dingens in VF? And what do I do if my motive outside of the Zoom-in magnification Dingens lies? Rates? Full-HD Reference Monitor Class 1 for about EUR 10k plus diesel generator from Assi mitschleifen approved?
everything stands in the brochure. There are entire 3 Auxiliary functions for focusing. But now I'm too lazy watch list.
The LCD has 921 000 effective pixels. How many points Z1, HVX200 and Co to?
Seems so yes synonymous halfway to funzen.
3. How do I get the material (EX XDCAM HD MXF = non-conformist?) In my AVID? Convert with his extra tool of sourceforge.net / crap-funzt-ned? Or in real-MAZ invite? Why then XDCAM?
If it is in a MP4 container before?
4. What's in the context of the then great PDW-700 can be expected?
All in all, the camera seems well but rather on the Con-, maybe just on the Prosumermarkt as "Ich-brauch-mal-ne-small-Cam-because-I-the-Great-ned-so-fast-can-away "Camera prerogatives.
Professional image quality with 1/2-inch chips at 1920x1080 and Long-GOP? Hm ... * accountable * ... * denk * ...
My DVCam has 2/3-inch at 720x576 ... No MPEG-Long-GOP-Scheiss ... And who has already NEN HD-DVD or Blue Rauy Disc player, let alone a full-HD television, the synonymous only a half as good as a Picture EUR 300 cheaper SonyCRT-Television throws ...
If you ask me, the camera is a pure marketing Verarsche and the attempt of Sonyein little spot in the big Tapeless competitors P2 wild ...
But as I said ... ich kenn mich da ned so ... ;-)
DVCAM and professional image?
It claims no one that the EX1, the non-ultra-Pros will be all the leaves look pale Editcam. But in its segment, it will just seem unbeatable.
If the EX1 Marketingverarsche is, then what is the HVX200?
Or the A1, its 1920x1080 at 1 / 3 "unterkriegt. Then, after a synonymous Picture raus ....
Antwort von FragMichTot:
But as I said ... ich kenn mich da ned so ... ;-)
remembers it. if your latest synonymous DVCAM times the spirit or abandon a customer is hd - production is required (the devil knows what he needs today) will be synonymous YOU think about HD. Then comes the EX2 or 3, or buy you though the F700. but long-gop synonymous. otherwise I recommend HDCAM.
Merkt man? So ... so ... 's very clever ... * ggg *
If my DVCam the mind gives up, then I probably laaaaaaaaange no longer had the service. In the case of war, however, I immediately from the nearest Sony dealer or an equivalent substitute, I lend me one. So much time to do so.
If a customer has an HD production needs, he ALWAYS gets HDCAM. Everything else is Hobbykram. If he wants to shoot HDV necessarily, of course, he gets synonymous. About such a fool should be in such a Froum but not blabber. That goes of self.
Antwort von FragMichTot:
You mean NEN Dropout .... pixel errors are something else.
Since this is not recorded on tape, it should not really go wrong. Or how often do you have data errors on your hard drive?
I speak of pixel errors which come from the chip (target even when DigiBeta occur when se mal a few hours and went back to the service required), not of dropouts based on the tape will be produced.
everything stands in the brochure. There are entire 3 Auxiliary functions for focusing. But now I'm too lazy watch list.
The LCD has 921 000 effective pixels. How many points Z1, HVX200 and Co to?
Seems so yes synonymous halfway to funzen.
How many pixels a display has actually not interested in the bean. If the line resolution scheisse is, do not you see if you're sharp or not. And those electronic "helpers" are garbage. I want to see if my picture is sharp and I'm not on "one-push" or "I-make-the-edges blue-if-sharp" and similar crap left. B / W CRT viewfinders are standard in the professional field and not of chance.
Besides, I already (unfortunately) with the Z1 and rotated know it's more a vision than a rate equal to the sharpness set. "Ah ... da wirds sharp ... jetz isses blurred ... I take the middle ... is already fit ..."
If it is in a MP4 container before?
If MP4, then worse. Already tried MP4 in AVID reinzukriegen?
If you know solution ne ... Sag decision ... I GEBS s.den then the rest of the TV world next ... MUAHAHAHAHAHA ... * * schmeissmichwech
DVCAM and professional image?
It claims no one that the EX1, the non-ultra-Pros will be all the leaves look pale Editcam. But in its segment, it will just seem unbeatable.
If the EX1 Marketingverarsche is, then what is the HVX200?
Or the A1, its 1920x1080 at 1 / 3 "unterkriegt. Then, after a synonymous Picture raus ....
In DVCam produced television is more than the layman know do do. For this reason, the format can be the label "professional" aufpappen, especially since Sound and Picture, unlike DV, directly "linked" is. HDV, however, is purely a consumer format, with None of which is known broadcaster and / or QuaKo accepted, synonymous if there are sometimes one or the other forward in this direction has been made.
The fact that the EX1 in its segment will be good like I do not even deny. But instead of me for 6500 EUR ne HobbyCam to buy again I prefer to put 4000 on it and did not pro-shoulder camera with interchangeable lens, TC-In, S / W CRT VF, etc.
At least when Aufzeichungszeit of 100 minutes (Sowas rum, n'est pas?) And then the subsequent cost of more, I faced with a 12 hours day turning bad. To crazy comments regarding "I-can-but-the-store hissing" vorzukommen: The time I have to not constantly turning my lehrzuschaufeln cards. 2x 16GB on USB under ideal conditions on hard drive takes about 20 minutes. I then kind of coffee break or wat?
And to the comment because of "As-is-synonymous-but-out-picture":
Aha ... Look at the Picture of times ... Think for ... And then think nomma ... And if you still not know what I mean now hab ... Well since I now definitely nothing getipselt ... ;-)
CU on TV ...
And not forgetting ... Always look busy ... Otherwise I have no job more soon ... * * gggggggggggggggg
Antwort von r.p. television:
The potential of this camera is I find them extremely pending, which the memory card Prices Sonyfür wants.
The camera itself would be synonymous to me very much.
If the cards now so cheap that you say about for 1000 Euros synonymous five to six to get the thing even more interesting because then at least in the rotation rather than by time-eating Umkopieren depends.
And then there is the issue because of the data. Every band says yes free Save ignorant of what is often at disk margins speicherkartenbasiertem or Save happen.
, First with my self from Digi-clippers total loss of data held (without reasons, simply do not read more data - and not a no-name SD). In addition, I have many times heard of photographers that they had problems with their memory had.
On a tape is in an extreme case, mal ne half a second away (except I throw the tape with your camcorder into a river). On the memory card may be times the entire contents of his away - similar to a DVD. This can be an expensive job then production has more than just be angry.
Antwort von r.p. television:
Oh yes:
The demonization of the LONG GOP can I find a little tiring synonymous, because they really do not deteriorate the image quality. You just need more computing power in the post or cause long dropouts with tape storage.
On the basis of experience in my private XL H1 can I just say that I actually drop in the length of a GOP - ie 12 frames - only s.Szenenbeginn have. Because I think I can well live with it.
Someone here has written, in the television landscape would find no use HDV. Without going research effort is to try to my knowledge, the Discovery channel the world's largest producer of videobasierenden HD productions. And as one sees in the various Senduggen often times a cameraman of the same unit with a Z1 when Umschnitt off and then you can see exactly which camera axis. Sometimes even without a noticeable difference in picture Umschnitt previous DVC PRO HD, or HD CAM.
So rarely can the professional application of HDV did not happen.
Antwort von king_lijaone:
.... It is not synonymous ... still is the daily digital television in the 8bit and 4:2:0 quality .... and also MPEG-2 .... So please where is the quality problem?
And the storage cost of EUR 400 and EUR 700 small to large.
Unfortunately, rp right memory synonymous go broke .... and depending on the use ... because when you delete all the electrons do not disappear from the store and make it conductive with time ... and so broken ... there are tapes in any case cheaper ... and the dropouts did you record the proceedings due course more at 1080i than 720p ... but who still makes 1080i even synonymous ...
Just a suggestion for improvement could be even better camera ... they would have to encode AVC ... that's
Antwort von king_lijaone:
ARD
Yukon Adventure 2 parts with ARRI and Z1
(who broadcasts s.PC has seen or bought the DVD, and this s.PC view, looks very nice, what with the camera was rotated, s.Rand is clearly visible)
ARD
the three-part adventure about Rockies with Z1
just two examples
Antwort von Jan:
921,000 pixels & dots Kundenverarsche is, unfortunately, this makes Sonysynonymous among digicams so - Subpixel - 921,000 / 3 = 307,000 pixels true.
If you are not convinced of HD are, then stop remains at your old material, you will force None now switch to HD.
Everything currently in the up to 10000 ¬ rumläuft class in HD is partially acceptable, who has genuine Profianspüche - ie ¬ 50,000 with regular cameras rumläuft must halt its claims in certain areas or screw down on his beloved 576 PAL stay.
VG
Jan
Antwort von Axel Karrer:
The potential of this camera is I find them extremely pending, which the memory card Prices Sonyfür wants.
Info I will probably have a 16 GB card in the price range from EUR 600 (!!!) lie. And the operation will probably be 2 requires ... or so ...
And then there is the issue because of the data. Every band says yes free Save ignorant of what is often at disk margins speicherkartenbasiertem or Save happen.
I know of a TV production, due to the high humidity levels s.Set completely XDCAM (DVCam mode I think) have rotated. Several hundred discs, and each has worked flawlessly.
... I throw out the tape with your camcorder into a river
Would XDCAM synonymous with no problems ... ;-) ... You hairdryer off the disc ... I think microwave is synonymous ... * rofl * ... If what the MythBusters ...
On the memory card may be times the entire contents of his away - similar to a DVD. This can be an expensive job then production has more than just be angry.
Likewise, I see the synonymous ... If you have a documentary and do post until then, that the memory card with the Assi nem Burito confused, then haste halt financial Probs ... And the times can be very quickly existence. A tape kannste synonymous yet saving when times drübergelaufen Cola is. Not much, but in comparison to its memory card ... hm ...
The demonization of the LONG GOP can I find a little tiring synonymous, because they really do not deteriorate the image quality. You just need more computing power in the post or cause long dropouts with tape storage.
The Long-GOP deteriorate the cutting quality. If you want to cut a frame, which no longer exists, because in the middle of the GOP, do you have a very good codec, so what then comes out as a bleed synonymous still looks like a picture. I speak not of visual assessment, but of a measuring in an ordinary QuaKo. The Haun Mastertape you so easy to the ears if you have bad luck.
Someone here has written, in the television landscape would find no use HDV. Without going research effort is to try to my knowledge, the Discovery channel the world's largest producer of videobasierenden HD productions. And as one sees in the various Senduggen often times a cameraman of the same unit with a Z1 when Umschnitt off and then you can see exactly which camera axis. Sometimes even without a noticeable difference in picture Umschnitt previous DVC PRO HD, or HD CAM.
So rarely can the professional application of HDV did not happen.
First: American broadcasters are now not just a reputation for particularly high-quality material to produce. Secondly, the move to make the NTSC HDV biased American television sense rather than in Germany. Also adds that the American broadcasters are obliged by law until 2010 (I think) started broadcasting in HD throughout standards to bring. Against this background, everyone can understand why it is difficult to rotate the scenes or in low-budget-oriented Docus happy times on small HDV Cams evade. Nevertheless, the Z1 in HDV mode, not even rudimentary as good pictures as a PD-170 in DVCam mode. For example, chromatic aberration effects in the Z1 much more extreme than in the PD-170.
.... It is not synonymous ... still is the daily digital television in the 8bit and 4:2:0 quality .... and also MPEG-2 .... So please where is the quality problem?
Antwort von r.p. television:
Info I will probably have a 16 GB card in the price range from EUR 600 (!!!) lie. And the operation will probably be 2 requires ... or so ...
So at least at the delivery date of the Camera still too expensive. But maybe yes looks like half a year in different ....
I know of a TV production, due to the high humidity levels s.Set completely XDCAM (DVCam mode I think) have rotated. Several hundred discs, and each has worked flawlessly
That may well be. I would argue yes synonymous not that we discussed here, the memory of the Sony system does not work. I just wanted to fundamentally times this hype about the tapeless Save a little question. I'm not the only one so Probs themselves or had first-hand stories sound margins has noticed.
I would of course synonymous a filebasiertes, dropoutfreies storage media with fast readout into NLE prefer, but everything to his price.
Oh yes: I doubt a little that the XD CAM said throw the disc into the river is over, if they IM camcorder is because the cartridge is open. I do not know whether the likely drying no residue when read or write error.
The Long-GOP deteriorate the cutting quality. If you want to cut a frame, which no longer exists, because in the middle of the GOP, do you have a very good codec, so what then comes out as a bleed synonymous still looks like a picture. I speak not of visual assessment, but of a measuring in an ordinary QuaKo. The Haun Mastertape you so easy to the ears if you have bad luck.
Since I HDV itself is not (yet) non-commercial use, but only cut my trip videos, I have no preference relative metrics. I use indeed a very good codec. Although we sometimes unfavorable GOP Verhackstückung a minimal change in image hard cuts, but I can live with. The image level is despite LONG GOP HD CAM and not better than what I Premiere HD, Blue Ray & Co deliver.
And I want so synonymous in my private holiday no adult 900 HD CAM lug. If something looks funny.
First: American broadcasters are now not just a reputation for particularly high-quality material to produce. Secondly, the move to make the NTSC HDV biased American television sense rather than in Germany. Also adds that the American broadcasters are obliged by law until 2010 (I think) started broadcasting in HD throughout standards to bring. Against this background, everyone can understand why it is difficult to rotate the scenes or in low-budget-oriented Docus happy times on small HDV Cams evade. Nevertheless, the Z1 in HDV mode, not even rudimentary as good pictures as a PD-170 in DVCam mode. For example, chromatic aberration effects in the Z1 much more extreme than in the PD-170.
I know what you want to attract. But at least rotate the Americans much more in HD than with us. In this context it is necessary to halt the broadcasts on Discovery HD (American Chopper, Rides, etc.) with the aforementioned cameras produced, as examples to see and call. And after the Verhackstückung in a lower data rate, 4:2:0 and so you can see neither the CA nor the higher generally higher edge blur a Z1. Perhaps notice when the swivel cushion distortion in the eye, but only when straight lines running through the picture.
Admittedly, a PD170 within the SD-Country Comparison was better than a Z1 in the HD world, but synonymous just because HD generally higher standards in many areas makes. Especially in CA lenses are not identifiable condition and extent Randunschärfen discovered, where you at Digibeta nor praise hinausschrie.
I'm sure if I my Fujinon s.eine DSR-500 HD camera mount, would be
Antwort von Axel Karrer:
achja ... A new promo - video ... with some ex-shots ..
http://bssc.sel.sony.com/BroadcastandBusiness/markets/10014/xdcamEX_index.shtml
Antwort von HeikoS:
I speak of pixel errors which come from the chip (target even when DigiBeta occur when se mal a few hours and went back to the service required), not of dropouts based on the tape will be produced.
What the hell have pixel errors with GOP to do? Tell me the times please! Maybe I can learn so Nochwas ;-)
If it is in a MP4 container before?
If MP4, then worse. Already tried MP4 in AVID reinzukriegen?
If you know solution ne ... Sag decision ... I GEBS s.den then the rest of the TV world next ... MUAHAHAHAHAHA ... * * schmeissmichwech
Well, then the problem probably lies in AVID, not with the EX1.
And what makes you so sure that by November (you can predict the EX1 so do not buy!) Avid it does not get baked?
Come on, Avid is so bad now .... not synonymous
In DVCam produced television is more than the layman know do do. For this reason, the format can be the label "professional" aufpappen, especially since Sound and Picture, unlike DV, directly "linked" is. HDV, however, is purely a consumer format, with None of which is known broadcaster and / or QuaKo accepted, synonymous if there are sometimes one or the other forward in this direction has been made.
Sweeps this one from? Here speaks neimand of HDV.
I bet with you that in normal DV even more is produced than in DVCAM. Your logic is so synonymous DV then a professional format ...
Too long, you can still not in the business, otherwise you might recall that synonymous previously been claimed, DVCAM would by no QuaKo ....
The fact that the EX1 in its segment will be good like I do not even deny. But instead of me for 6500 EUR ne HobbyCam to buy again I prefer to put 4000 on it and did not pro-shoulder camera with interchangeable lens, TC-In, S / W CRT VF, etc.
What thinkest thou? Ne HD shoulder mount camcorder with reasonable Optics, a good B / W Viewfinder (because you want to focus so reasonable, does not it?) For 10 000? Have I missed?
At least when Aufzeichungszeit of 100 minutes (Sowas rum, n'est pas?) And then the subsequent cost of more, I faced with a 12 hours day turning bad. To crazy comments regarding "I-can-but-the-store hissing" vorzukommen: The time I have to not constantly turning my lehrzuschaufeln cards. 2x 16GB on USB under ideal conditions on hard drive takes about 20 minutes. I then kind of coffee break or wat?
Look, is simple: Different areas require different approaches. I EX 1 would not be synonymous use. But if you have 12 hours for n 'Interview MUAHAHAHAHAHA need ....
And to the comment because of "As-is-synonymous-but-out-picture":
Aha ... Look at the Picture of times ... Think for ... And then think nomma ... And if you still not know what I mean now hab ... Well since I now definitely nothing getipselt ... ;-)
Where in Comparison to other of its class is not bad. Which camcorder this price class is better because you Schlau Meier?
CU on TV ...
And not forgetting ... Always look busy ... Otherwise I have no job more soon ... * * gggggggggggggggg
Expression of your way so I would watch MTV ...
Antwort von Pianist:
achja ... A new promo - video ... with some ex-shots .. l
What I will never understand why we presented a high resolution camera is not synonymous in the form that you have a high resolution file with everyday scenes for download offer? What is the one, so a small picture to see? The information content is zero.
Matthias
Antwort von Johannes Leistner:
who does so now because the race damn it all, he of the 200 pana or the Sony PMW-EX 1 hd
Antwort von PowerMac:
The Sonynatürlich.
Antwort von yingyang:
which means of course. ma and led briefly just to ask why ...
Antwort von PowerMac:
I have often enough: manual optics with high quality, good feel, handling and ergonomics, memory card workflow, image quality, real 1920x1080, low price.
Antwort von Markus:
Patrick, in your list is still missing the super-slomo on for several minutes and the option for true HD images with high-speed 10,000 fps by candlelight. Then, this camera would be perfect. zum Bild
Antwort von PowerMac:
Recently I read of a Japanese camera, what a short one million frames per second can be read. At the IBC had a booth and you could see balloons burst.
A true slow motion, the EX1 yes, yes what the HVX200 have always had.
Antwort von yingyang:
hey patrick power mac od ie all the points you mention but synonymous to take the 200 to it except the price, because you might be right ...
Antwort von Johannes Leistner:
why?
neither the chip (light / deep unschärfe), the optics, the image still has the 1920 real HVX200.
gruß cj
