Newsmeldung von slashCAM: If Sony XDCAM EX camcorder before Flashmemory of thomas - 16 Apr 2007 14:09:00 At the NAB has a prototype Sonyden on SxS flash memory camcorder host the XDCAM series presented. Still, there is little information on the new model: the image sensors are three 1 / 2 inches high and the camera is used in various common formats XDCAM HD can record, so 1080/50i/30P/25P/24P and 720/50P. The camera is also slow and quick motion modes possess. The SxS memory format is the Express Card (Express Card) standard. The cards are initially in versions with 8 and 16 GB (1 hour recording time) capacity will be offered - the camcorder will have two slots for memory cards. From the compact shape reminds the new model rather s.die V1/Z1 and Panasonics HVX 200 as the other models of Sony's XDCAM. The new procedure on Flash memory is of SonyXDCAM EX and been baptized, the long-awaited answer to Panasonics successful P2 format memory dar. The camcorder will probably end the year on the market and under 10,000 euros.
Presented was Sonysynonymous of new XDCAM camcorder and recorder, the dual-layer versions of the standard XDCAM Professional Discs can use and so the recording time in 50Mbps HD 4:2:2 mode at 100 minutes doubled.
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Antwort von streetbiker:
Is that thing ugly!
Na toll of 10,000, because I get rather a HVX200.
Thomas
Antwort von HeikoS:
Well, the HVX200 is now synonymous not grad ne eyes, keyword:
"Big Betty"
Antwort von streetbiker:
Is that thing ugly! Yes, the grad Brüller isses not, but that's not so important. And certainly, if a good picture, then it has in any case a "raison d'être".
Aufm hears the paper in my opinion not bad if s.bewahrheitet, it would be worth ...
Antwort von streetbiker:
Class outfit!
Antwort von Pianist:
Is that thing ugly! I would not say. I believe the problem lies elsewhere: Sonyhat its format "XDCAM" the arbitrariness divulged. If someone says he has a "XDCAM", then no one knows whether he meant a device for normal PAL TV with 2/3-Inch-Chips believes that quality is perfectly okay, or whether he meant to me of not particularly valued XDCAM HD PDW-F330 cameras or 350 chips with Halbzoll says, or even this small camera in the new HVX-200-style.
I am therefore totally unclear what actually Sonynun concept as "XDCAM" would describe. So far, I assume that all cameras to record on the blue windows is common. But that is now so synonymous done. And if the concept that is rather that one with a number of cameras of different sizes a number of different formats on a number of different media can record and then I somehow synonymous with the arbitrary, in that it is under a common name could be summed up. Then Sonyja like everything forward a Lens to as "XDCAM" call.
Matthias
Antwort von HeikoS:
But this is true but for DVCPRO HD as well. It is available on tape, P2, 2 / 3 "or 1 / 3 ".....
Antwort von Pianist:
But this is true but for DVCPRO HD as well. It is available on tape, P2, 2 / 3 "or 1 / 3 "..... If I'm really thinking, you right. I wonder just why I was there less bother than Sony. Presumably it depends on the fact that DVCProHD the concept rather than form is perceived and not as a camera, while the XDCAM Camera rather than the format, if it is synonymous of Sony Anders expecting. But it is now time, in a format where the syllable name "Cam" appears.
You would not say: "I have a DVCProHD," but rather it is said: "I have a HDX-900" or "I have an HVX-200". On the other hand, one would surely say: "I have a XDCAM HD." And that will always have the necessary inquiry, which device actually is.
Compared to the (often ignorant) customers can now probably only quite flat on the purchase price argue that as long as people do not have comparison shots. But the difference between EUR 5,000 and EUR 50,000 each may be strangely imagine synonymous with no fixture to have seen ... :-)
Matthias
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... if the concept that is rather that one with a number of cameras of different sizes a number of different formats on a number of different media can record and then I somehow synonymous with the arbitrary, in that it is under a common name together could. That is, for example, the DVCAM format in many years no different: learn how the different cameras PD1 (a portrait Einchipper), PD170, DSR570 or PDW530 draw DVCAM recordings on tapes or discs on PF. Formats are defined more by Compression yes or bitrate than through the medium on which they land.
The introduction of the EX-memory, I see, however, synonymous with very mixed feelings, this is so surely the same disadvantages that are already competing P2 system for many users unfit. But probably you have to adopt them anyway medium, the original recording medium equal synonymous as an archive medium to be able to use - under the motto: Why simple and cheap when it's synonymous is cumbersome and expensive?
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von Eva Maier:
The production of tapes is much more complex and costly than irgengwelche plastic discs, quite apart from the industry of course wants their development costs again.
The camera manufacturers will see the same besimmt with tape drives.
/ E
Antwort von Pianist:
The production of tapes is much more complex and costly than irgengwelche plastic discs, quite apart from the industry of course wants their development costs again.
The camera manufacturers will see the same besimmt with tape drives.
Of course, a mechanical solution, in which a magnetic tape by a rotating head drum wound is always a certain wear and there is the possibility of mechanical problems. So verheddertes tape, torn tape, recording the interference by dirt on the head drum and then next.
In fact, with me in 15 years but not once a problem with the system Betacam SP occurred. And usually are synonymous with all the same colored tape format no problems. For the smaller cassette DVCam and DVCPro how it looked in the past significantly different, although I of the current users of the DVCPro HD Camera HDX-900 know that they also have no problems. What does not mean that they do not get what someday might.
That should mean: magnetic recording, no preference whether analog or digital, is due to the long experience extremely mature and therefore less vulnerable. Even if just for the high-resolution digital recording of moving images, the boundary between "still works" and "no longer works" very narrow. Nevertheless, I see now the first hard drive in the future and later in the solid state storage, because in principle the whole mechanics of the camera with a single hand movement will be exchanged and it is always new storage medium can adapt as soon as they are available and affordable. At least with Ikegami will be so.
I must simply admit that I am in an age where you can anyway only data shifts and copied, not really einsehe why I addition to a camera or a VTR buy, the more times as much as the camera cost, if I dadrauf so synonymous nothing next time, when data to move, what I may be synonymous with hard, if you get a considered approach to archiving.
Matthias
Antwort von Pianist:
But probably you have to adopt them anyway medium, the original recording medium equal synonymous as an archive medium to be able to use - under the motto: Why simple and cheap when it's synonymous is cumbersome and expensive? That one the media is archived on which it revolves, has given me so s.den blue XDCAM discs so well liked. That was then at the end but the only advantage synonymous.
I personally have nothing against data from the recording medium to an archive medium umzukopieren, which is still faster than Eindigitalisieren individual scenes of a tape.
But I just wish the recording medium so much affordable capacity that I'm not forced, daily (eg in hotel rooms) to copy. Example: you buy a Editcam HD Fieldpaks three to one can (with my turning behavior) so synonymous times a week or two on the way, without a recording to delete them. Then you can volunteer at night in the hotel room the recordings on a hard drive copy, so that one always has a double safety. And if you then return the second copy (for example, on the Avid or an external RAID or a second hard drive) has made, then the Fieldpaks to delete released.
Three Fieldpaks cost me perhaps 2.000 EUR. The same capacity on P2 cards would probably cost ten times.
Matthias
Antwort von Eva Maier:
I was randomly times as an order for the wheels of cassettes went to Japan, because here it was not possible to maintain the required roundness of garantieren.Abgesehen own experiences with all kinds of bands with, I can well imagine that in the future s.Flashspeicher etc. used to. At least it sounds so far above what I have read quite positive, and gray to me before when I s.Dinge such as loss of data on Blu Ray discs thinking, as I would with any other technology may be better off.
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Antwort von PowerMac:
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Antwort von HeikoS:
So the data inside of her like me Sonywesentlich better than the HVX200:
1. 1 / 2 "chips
2. No proprietary standard cards, and faster falling prices can be expected.
3. more efficient codec and therefore more minutes / GB
the rest will have to show ...
Antwort von TheBubble:
So really. The appearance of a camera is something of subordinated. The technical and ergonomic qualities would be important to me.
Memory cards have advantages: Quick access to individual sections in any order, faster copying, individual scenes with full disk can no preference when they were, etc. The advantages over tapes may vary by application purpose, certainly worth it.
Antwort von Valentino:
So really. The appearance of a camera is something of subordinated. The technical and ergonomic qualities would be important to me This may be applicable to seeing you again, but synonymous with the eye as you so nicely said.
I think the synonymous Camera häslich is total and it somehow reminds me s.diese grauenhhaften semi shoulder Panasonic cameras. Somweit me synonymous known DVC60 has the geflopt and completely changed as the replica of PD150 JVC geflopt completely synonymous but again s.der image quality was poor.
Quite apart from that I wonder how everything in the world is a camcorder for nearly 10,000 Euros still be silver, I was already at the 330 a mystery.
What is clear, not the camera for the Vollprofie be rather special for the regional program is likely before the ARD and ZDF aumsteigen be on HD.
The F355 and the demo 2/3Zoll device kribelt it to me but in the fingers, really looks for an alternative to the Panasonics and from Ikegami.
Antwort von AkaAlias:
hello forum,
since there is so synonymous to production cameras go, I wonder
whether someone finally "Sabine Christiansen" (last Sunday)
or / and yesterday 'in human Maischberger' has seen?
I am repeatedly struck a camera quite probleme
with the focus had!
lags s.meiner TV or can anyone confirm ...
if so what is going on, the ARD problem in switching to
16:9 and if so, with what camera will be recorded as?
gruß cj
Antwort von r.p. television:
On the PowerMac declared of Page is a full-HDV shoulder camcorder displayed.
Could it be that this is a April Fool's joke is?
They have 1:1 as an old DSR-250P HDV painted black and it is written. Objetkiv same, everything the same, just black.
Is perhaps the whole message with the new XD CAM Camera an April Fool's joke? Would not surprise me. Have I ever wondered why the silly Sonysynonymous Flashmemory jumps if the BlueRay technology (including the XD CAM Disks are) at any price through difficult want.
Because they sell Playstation 3 150 Euros in production price in order to spread the format and then put it as an egg?
For me it would be reasonable if such a camcorder with an integrated hard drive is offered. Kenn many people that the HVX200 because of the idiotic media not purchased. Why should Sony because tightening?
Antwort von HeikoS:
Perhaps because it was "idiotic" in the eye of the beholder ....
Antwort von Valentino:
On the PowerMac declared of Page is a full-HDV shoulder camcorder displayed.
Could it be that this is a April Fool's joke is?
They have 1:1 as an old DSR-250P HDV painted black and it is written. Objetkiv same, everything the same, just black. Why should an April Fool's, ie a full-HDV shoulder camcorder has been since it gives the Z1 of most semi-professional customers demanded, synonymous because they have 80 minutes for XDCAM HD are simply too few. It is, I say most times for no real surprise synonymous it camcorders such a type of Sony is already as the first HDV VTR for DV cassettes herraus came it was almost clear. The demo unit in a DSR-250P enclosure is installed, it is only because it is synonymous, there is no reason to change and non-Sony for an extra Demogeärt a new Kamerabody developed. The body, however, is synonymous in the first place no preference as long as the tech up Nick is good. Oh it will be exactly synonymous with all likelihood of a JVC HDV version of the DV5100 give.
Is perhaps the whole message with the new XD CAM Camera an April Fool's joke? Would not surprise me. Have I ever wondered why the silly Sonysynonymous Flashmemory jumps if the BlueRay technology (including the XD CAM Disks are) at any price through difficult want.
Because they sell Playstation 3 150 Euros in production price in order to spread the format and then put it as an egg?
So firstly, the people of Pro Sony nothing Conusmer with the people of the PS3 to do. A PS3 is not synonymous XDCAM HD but a mass product, the profit from the expensive and the games Zubhör reinholt again.
I understand your statements are not synonymous why that's a April Fool's joke to be there, but white as well as everyone Sonydas "Konw-How" has a XDCAM-HD422 to produce. The only reason, however, is yet, the Sony HDCAM Getting the business would break.
I find it of great Sonysynonymous you have something for everyone (HDV / ProDisk / Express Card) and Panasonic not only a "memory" HD camcorder under 10,000 euros to offer.
It is known generally synonymous with a camcorder hard drive against impact against external s.resistenten, so finally no more dropouts.
For me it would be reasonable if such a camcorder with an integrated hard drive is offered. Kenn many people that the HVX200 because of the idiotic media not purchased. Why should Sony because tightening? Tell me now ask what this "idiotic" to be. I find it rather "ideotisch" if the HDD eingbaut is, for me, rather then make a meaningful change disks.
If you umbedingt so hard to stand, then you can determine a synonymous Fire doors or use is so synonymous with all HDV camcorder. But do not complain if the hard drive and fall times 10 hours scrap material are ;-)
Greeting
Tino
Antwort von r.p. television:
@ valentino:
Because of the full-size HDV camcorder:
Right. I did (before I found myself on my private purposes XL H1 bought) a full-synonymous HDV camcorder desired.
All Distributors have responded to me that Sony is not keen to shoulder camcorder with XD CAM HD offering.
Well, yes. Perhaps it is about Sony Anders.
But you can not simply without severe hardship HDV technology in an old camcorder DV CAM and its old Lens stuck.
Why have all HDV prosumer Gewindeandschluß now 72mm front 58mm and not more? High-quality lenses nunmal gobble up more space. So why a step backward?
All very strange.
The only sensible explanation would be that the device shown only a dummy for a not yet completed idea. So Sonytatsächlich only a DSR-250 made, black and HDV written on it.
The DSR-250 was based on the PD-150 up - so its chips, the signal processing and its synonymous Lens.
If it is a prosumer HDV-shoulder-camera should be, it would be logical if it is based on the Lens & chips or a Z1 and V1 are based would not be over 5 Jaher old unsuitable for HDV DV Optics.
That with the PS3, I have just mentioned, because the parent company Sonywith all means tries to BlueRay technology as Aufzeichnugsformat to establish. Be it in the Pro field by XD CAM disc in AVCHD camcorders or the PS3, etc.
Already on memory umzuschwenken surprise me at Sony closed.
If you are not an infinite amount of money available, the memory simply too expensive when you have plenty of footage incorporated.
A removable hard disk (but internally integrated camera) is for me still the most sensible solution. Sure that a camera is not the falling down, but I prefer to live with the risk of losing unique footage than ever during the recording to assess how much space I still have.
Only from experience. It is often enough before, that one the wrong moment in the tape runs out. Sometimes unverhersehbar still a moment that the tape does not allow change. Especially not the emptying of the flash memory into the notebook. Since the tapes are even better, because I always have enough to spare in your pocket. For flash drives, this is rarely the case.
Currently you can only flash memory for scenic shots (with estimated maturities) schedule. Because s.einem some Gygabyte frame (and the resulting cost of p2 cards) to buy or rent is a reasonable camera.
And do not ever have the time the flash memory into the notebook to be evacuated.
Gates Of Fire, I believe nothing. Too prone to error. I have written several times already.
And because of the targeted data in the flash memory:
First, synonymous memory gone - I say only static discharge, etc. and then it is usually synonymous everything away
Second: When several documentary production abroad is gezwungermassen the footage on a laptop to land. The laptop can just fall down or suffer a hard disk crash.
Since then, it is piepegal how safe the data previously on the now p2 card were overwritten.
You can of course synonymous infinite additional external hard disks go. But all that just to use these small cards to justify?
Perhaps we shall come to my decision "idiotic" closer.
Perhaps this is a false idiotic expression. I would not generally say that this record format is wrong. I think even that in the future, the best and most important thing will be.
If I were a 32 GB card for around 250, - Euro receive synonymous, it would be interesting for me.
But at the moment, the memory is too small and expensive. A bauble for pioneers, an expensive price to pay.
Idiotic in the eye of the beholder is true. In my view, is the memory card system until one to two years of a topic.
Then I buy myself a new camcorder with better chips, better signal processing and a much better card easily (for tickets), while the HVX200 possibly as electronic on Ebay dümpelt because more None
