Frage von Pianist:
Fine reading s.alle good day!
Who has my previous postings, which knows that I am currently in search of the best for me HD Camera bin. I tested a SonyXDCAM HD (PDW-F350). The result was quite devastating, of which I had reported. Then I took two weeks ago one days with a rented Panasonic DVCPro HD (HDX-900) rotated. The result, I had posted here: Is it perfectly, if you still wish to rotate tapes. The picture is much better than XDCAM HD and can be regarded as "good" pass. My old broadcast Optics made in direct comparison to HD-Optics mitgemieteten a very good figure.
Well, I've been weeks on the possibility of waiting for an Ikegami Editcam HD test. So far, only four units shipped that still regularly receive software updates. These four devices are almost around the clock for a Berlin company in use worldwide, so that there is currently no test was possible for me. But now there is a fifth camera, which is currently available as a demo unit is touring through Europe. Yesterday I received a spontaneous call Ikegami my dealer that I s.Nachmittag can test the camera.
Since the camera without a lens on, I brought my own optics, so I do not have direct comparison between HD and SD Optics could rotate. But synonymous with my old lens can I get a very clear tendency to formulate the Ikegami Editcam HD is once again significantly better than all the other HD cameras, which I have ever seen. The picture looks just as good as I have been around 15 years of Ikegami cameras used bin. And that is exactly what I wanted out. In a direct comparison is then suddenly the picture of the Panasonic synonymous back strongly. From XDCAM HD not to mention.
But somewhere must indeed come the price difference. Now I feel in any event once again in my opinion confirms that the best Ikegami cameras builds quality and that this difference in sharpness, color and contrast to the respective product continues. So no preference whether PAL-tube monitor, HD flat screen or Quicktime Movie.
This will be my next camera, because I do not need longer to think over it. Funnily enough, I had the beginning of s.vermutet, but now I could with my own eyes to convince. The Viewfinder is synonymous substantially better than any other I know viewfinders, so you can instantly and securely expose perfectly, so as synonymous of the Ikegami usual. The viewfinders of the Panasonic was synonymous quite properly, of the Sony, but as bad as ever at Sonyunterhalb of HDCAM.
Only s.das silver casing do I have to get used to.
Matthias
Antwort von PowerMac:
Very good. And what is your opinion s.Picture differently or better?
Antwort von Pianist:
Very good. And what is your opinion s.Picture differently or better? Well, I would now s.liebsten reply: "It looks flat, like the Picture of an Ikegami properly" - but yes it helps the non-expert is not next. Let me say it: The picture is more detailed, the colors and contrasts are just extremely good. So very different, not too colorful, but not synonymous with pale, just very natural. Just a pleasant view. And since then it would be synonymous certainly no big problem, the picture a special "look" to miss, because the signal is very "fat" and is not so "thin" as in other systems. Full 1920 times 1080 pixels with 4:2:2 and a data rate of 120 Mbit / s (The 145 Mbit / s refer to NTSC) are just a very fine thing.
I had so unfortunately for reasons of time, no opportunity to Berlin the same motives as incorporated with the Panasonic, but in direct comparison, the difference very clearly synonymous if the Panasonic has is not so bad. And as I already wrote: The differences are down to the PAL playback to see.
Matthias
Antwort von DWUA:
@ Pianist
Knowing well that this contribution to "Offtopic - Guardian" on the legs
brings, we dare it to you to congratulate your choice.
As someone who "just for fun," writes, you have us
While reading "fun" is.
Your "silver chassis" you'll get "gold".
Ungrudgingly So congratulations and good luck!
DWUA
Antwort von Valentino:
So the whole thing sounds like the new super s.with of Ikegami.
I know that the Ikegami fans do not like to hear but the one with camera writes its AVID codec synonymous very expensive AVID editing system, which I personally do not really fit the XDCAM-HD is now of Final Cut Pro, Adobe, AVID Liquid much more supported.
I think HDV would be synonymous not successful, if only a slice of the system the format would be supported.
If this AVID / Ikegami codec synonymous of Final Cut Pro and Adobe will be the thing for me synonymous another, but he probably will not because the Lizensrechte for the codec are probably priceless.
Antwort von DWUA:
Estimated "Valentino".
Times go to bed, and tomorrow morning you have no more right.
Could but a new open Fred.
Good morning
DWUA
Antwort von DWUA:
Estimated "Valentino".
Times go to bed, and tomorrow morning you have no more right.
Could but a new open Fred.
Good morning
DWUA
Antwort von Pianist:
As someone who "just for fun," writes, you have us
While reading "fun" is. Well - now just because the investment decision is, it means so far that I no longer write. Now comes in the season where I have less time to write, but occasionally I'll have a look here one or other sentence seclude if I think it appropriate.
Maybe you remember: Even a few months ago I wrote here that I think the acquisition of HD technology yet as long as possible would like to postpone. It has in recent weeks but the situation changed so extreme that for many reasons right now is the right time.
Matthias
Antwort von Pianist:
I know that the Ikegami fans do not like to hear but the one with camera writes its AVID codec synonymous very expensive AVID editing system, which I personally do not really fit the XDCAM-HD is now of Final Cut Pro, Adobe, AVID Liquid much more supported. Since I always had Avid, I pretty taster. And all that I know have Avid synonymous. There are now some times technical inevitability, because you have to be just for one or other solution. It is important to me an excellent camera with best image quality and a future secure storage system. Neither Ikegami Avid still be sometime Pleite go of so I can see for the future because no problems or dead ends.
Why should I use a camera to buy, of which I am not convinced that with a procedure recorded, of which I am not convinced, just about the theoretical possibility to have a cutting system to cut, which I do not want to have?
Apart from that: The risk of bad investments in the tape area was significantly larger, because the quantity s.nötiger technique was much more expensive. A three-machine Digibeta with square-cut image mixer, cut control and DVE was so extremely expensive that on the other hand, today a Editcam HD and an Avid Media Composer fairly cheap.
Matthias
Antwort von Bernd E.:
SonyXDCAM HD ... The result was quite devastating ... Panasonic DVCPro HD ... Can you be, if you still wish to rotate tapes ... Ikegami Editcam HD is significantly better than all the other HD cameras in the direct ... Comparison falls ... the picture of the Panasonic ... strongly. From XDCAM HD not to mention .... I feel in my opinion confirms that the best Ikegami cameras build quality and that this difference in sharpness, color and contrast to the respective product continues ... viewfinders is synonymous significantly better than all other Congratulations on your future erstmal Camera! Occasionally was not assumed that you have found another device that your claims met ;-) From a purely personal interest to know but I like how you explain that Sonyand of Panasonic with their bad image and poor searchers beaten Cameras Tens of thousands s.Kameraleute, production companies and TV stations sell, while all about striking Ikegami seems almost anyone is interested (a sales figure of four pieces actually speaks volumes)? On price alone can not lie, that is: nothing good marketing? If the workflow of an ordinary diffusion in the way? Or where do you see the problem?
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von Pianist:
How you explain that Sonyand of Panasonic with their bad image and poor searchers beaten tens of thousands of cameras s.Kameraleute, production companies and TV stations sell, while all about striking Ikegami seems almost anyone is interested (a sales figure of four pieces actually speaks volumes)? On price alone can not lie, that is: nothing good marketing? If the workflow of an ordinary diffusion in the way? Or where do you see the problem? One problem is the s.sich not. You have to just know that the official delivery of the Series Ikegami Editcam HD has not yet begun. The previous five devices are the only ones so far from Japan to Europe. Hardware, they now stand on the series, the software will be exchanged several times. In brief then come two more units, all are reserved. My dealer had the good fortune which reserved. I know how many fixed orders of it German or European users, but I do not know whether this figure is intended for publication. Ikegami must now So, at first the pre-delivery, then come the next buyer s.die series. Since no bananas Ikegami products (matures at the customer) extradite synonymous now begins the actual marketing. The previous buyer have blindly bought the camera because they have always leaps in technology were the first.
HDCAM is the world since 10 years, XDCAM HD for almost two years, DVCPro HD, too. The Ikegami is the latest product and now has first right onto the market. If the people then see the direct comparison, are expected in the upper well only Ikegami Editcam HD and the new SonyHDW-790 player, everything else is located next below. Consequently, devices like a HDX-900, HPX-2100, HPX-500, PDW-F350 and HDW-730 only for reasons of the lower purchase price or because the respective formats into any established workflow for better fit. Who but free in its decision and is prepared to spend the money, when Ikegami land. And that was funny as always so.
What are the workflow: Because it will give users, for whom the very well and others, for less work. From my point of view, the exchange of tapeless MXF files is a good and easy thing. Individual users anyway, as I have their island solution. And if necessary you go somewhere with a removable hard drive, where you can play off HDCAM SR (HDCAM would bring a deterioration). Transmitter can the mill in their other wonderful meanwhile tapeless workflow. They need just enough space, but it will in future be less of a problem.
I believe that the benefits clearly outweigh. And we assume the case that an Ikegami Editcam HD camera as a documentary in conjunction with an HD OB van is used: Because running is a great HD live production and an outdoor reporter starts "offline" additional impressions and statements. Now you have two options: Either you copy the material faster than real time on an Avid editing in a mobile, rapidly cuts the desired scenes and plays them in the shipment, or you can select the desired scenes on the camera that they stöpselt rear s.den truck ran, pressed "Play" and broadcasts. Therefore, the former Editcam 1 Other synonymous their name. TV as quickly as radio.
And for all long-term production is flat, that it is a sensible approach superior archiving needs.
Matthias
Antwort von PowerMac:
(...) Why should I use a camera to buy, of which I am not convinced that with a procedure recorded, of which I am not convinced, just about the theoretical possibility to have a cutting system to cut, which I do not want to have ? (...) Why should I read your text? Why should I give you a cynical and selfish position insinuate?
Antwort von wolfgang:
So in any case, congratulations to this time investment - did so after a while wanted! And certainly is an absolutely fantastic device, no question about it.
Antwort von Frank B.:
Hm, though I'm not a professional and as a device for me, never comes into question, I would be interested in ever burning, like an optical quality difference looks. Is it not possible to compare photographs of the aforementioned devices into the net to make. A photo would certainly stand for the first range. I personally doubt that the difference in the HD formats is so serious that it was ordinary citizen finds.
I am happy synonymous but the opposite is convincing.
Frank
Antwort von Pianist:
Is it not possible to compare photographs of the aforementioned devices into the net to make. A photo would certainly stand for the first range. I personally doubt that the difference in the HD formats is so serious that it was ordinary citizen finds. I am of the opinion that in a truly direct comparison of "normal citizens" recognize the difference. I think it is not, however, be useful to still photographs of moving cameras as a Comparison to take. Because the people something to compare it with their small Digiknipse or its digital SLR camera, and that we should not, because as a completely different technical ways behind stuck.
Unfortunately I do not synonymous suitable material, where I for example, a 10-second section in the center divide and on the Page, for example, the HDX-900 and the other on the Page Ikegami pack, because I have not had an opportunity same subject at the same time with two cameras to film. When I now, for example, a particular motive in Berlin, which I reported two weeks ago with the Panasonic had rotated, again with the film would Ikegami, then it would be unfair to the Panasonic, because the trees are green right now and the summer is always Picture as "beautiful" would be assessed.
So if image comparison, and then under strict scientific standards, and to you I can not currently provide. I think in any case, that for example the difference between 1920x1080 and 1280x720 the extrapolated clearly sees. Even though I am otherwise the image quality and color reproduction and contrast of the Panasonic was quite properly, it will be covered in a direct comparison, at least, the "More" s.Schärfe at Ikegami on. After all, 1280x720 only 66.6 percent of 1920x1080. And as I already wrote: The difference is down to the 16:9-PAL playback.
Matthias
Antwort von Frank B.:
Hello Matthias,
Your arguments are fully understandable for me. Perhaps it is you yes times because the camera so you want to buy a real comparison possible into the net to make. There were certainly many, synonymous amateurs like me, interested in truth.
Frank
Antwort von wolfgang:
So if the whole of the contract expects her situation, and if the customer has to, I can understand this very well.
I shall, however, like Frank the question whether the enormous extra cost - which is actually in the unit list price, with a usable Optics - additional quality gain is worth. On this question, we will, as so often only subjective answers - for Matthias, it's definitely good for the majority probably do not, simply because of the enormous cost.
But it would have been interesting times, here is an objective comparison of imagery of this wonderful device to other devices to see - so you want this discussion is an understanding. Including the often-expressed claim that HDV but so would scrap - for me what it is not stable.
Antwort von Wolfpeter-Hans-Dieter:
HDV, but that such a scrap would be - what it means for me is not the same. For my purposes would be useless as HDV. But if a CameraLink Matthias in the value of a really well-equipped Mercedes E-Class is buying the cam already almost perfect, especially since they're synonymous, he determined to make use of 10-15 years. There is only the question of whether the client is about to see whether he is now with the Ikegami or Panasonic filmed, which are certainly not synonymous THE experts.
Antwort von PowerMac:
The problem is that the camera only s.ein few years and is worth calculating. At the same time developing the technology very quickly continued. Is the question whether the Amortisierungsrate par with the rate of innovation is.
Antwort von Pianist:
The problem is that the camera only s.ein few years and is worth calculating. At the same time developing the technology very quickly continued. The big leap (of 625 to PAL HDTV) is now made. Now, new technology, the first outside the television industry (play of shooting at events) and then enforce synonymous after and after television. So it is for very many years at 1920x1080 stay. If one is a Camera, which this task in the most uncompromising quality, we can all eventually develop the codec. This can then be sent via a software update it, both in the camera as synonymous in the Avid. And as far as the storage medium is concerned: no system offers such good opportunities for integration of new storage medium, such as the housing FieldPak of Editcam, simply because there is enough space inside to be synonymous to the most advanced storage practices. P2 is always on P2 cards remain limited, and since you have four or five cards at the same time share that I imagine now synonymous despite greater capacity very impractical before.
Matthias
Antwort von Pianist:
There is only the question of whether the client is about to see whether he is now with the Ikegami or Panasonic filmed, which are certainly not synonymous THE experts. I believe that more people see the differences when you look at it as presented. Particularly, one at a major trade fair with many stalls and shooting many, many monitors to run pretty fast to have a direct comparison.
Also: What would be the alternative? DVCPRO HD to tape is somehow impractical, DVCPRO HD on P2 cards are still a lot of impractical, would be HDCAM from those already discussed in detail the reasons are not synonymous and XDCAM HD solution would be (possibly) reasonable quality only available in one year.
Matthias
Antwort von Pianist:
I shall, however, like Frank the question whether the enormous extra cost - which is actually in the unit list price, with a usable Optics - additional quality gain is worth. On this question, we will, as so often only subjective answers - for Matthias, it's definitely good for the majority probably do not, simply because of the enormous cost. Well - this is important, for whom you these statistics as a "universe" view. Taking all the filmmakers, which is currently perhaps on HDV or Mini DV to rotate, then this may be true. But if you look at the whole lower segment times is omitted and the people who are on HDCAM, or even in conjunction with a remote camera to shoot HDCAM SR, then you very quickly to the conclusion that the statement with the "enormous costs" are more on these systems and not on the Ikegami Editcam HD can relate.
However, it must be correct to say that the Ikegami between HDCAM and HDCAM SR moves. It offers the full raster 1920x1080, so it is equal to HDCAM SR. But she brings a 4:2:2-Farbsampling, which would be more than HDCAM (3:1:1), but less than in HDCAM SR (4:4:4).
So you can never be the technical conditions so exactly compare those systems probably have their raison d'être. And I am convinced that the Ikegami for many users a very good solution will be.
Matthias
Antwort von Falko:
So I would rather look at the current
RED, GM and SI Infinty wait
Wait.
For us, the question is not up to date, have purchased in 2003 HDCAM and 2 reds in advance.
Antwort von paolo:
test shots with the Ikegami Editcam HD for download at www.hd-channel.com
