Frage von alexanderdergrosse:
Is that Firewire HV20/30 at 1440x1080, 1920x1080 with HDMI outputs?
Antwort von Meggs:
Yes, but you is no benefit in 1440 x 1080 for more image information is not there. Whether the camcorder in playback hochskaliert, or the software on the PC, or ultimately, the television is pretty no preference.
Antwort von alexanderdergrosse:
Really a shame, but it looks like with the direct recording via HDMI to a laptop?
(without cassette interim step to join, and with the recording software)
Is this then the better Resolutionaufgezeichnet?
Since Still Image 1920 x 1080 are possible, I ask you synonymous,
whether any such a possibility would exist, then a signal is recorded? or whether a firmware or a hack?
Thank you!
Antwort von RickyMartini:
HDV is nunmal up with 1440x1080i specified - would be synonymous to a "Firewirehack" not changing!
Here is the link to Slashcam-HDV:
http://www.slashcam.de/artikel/Editorials/Hochaufloesend-in-die-Zukunft-- HDV - DV --- History HDV vs. HD - 40-TV - 41-.html
HDMI / DVI is not a picture transferred to a calculator and show!
Without a tape, there are only live images to the software without a calculator and no video in the same.
To reassure the HDV Resolutionläßt practically not of full-HD differ! ;)
Image comparisons between Canon RF and HV models have de-HV equipment is not really inferior image quality certified.
Antwort von schlaflos011:
With something to get FULL HD via HDMI into the calculator
http://www.blackmagic-design.com/de/products/intensity/
Antwort von alexanderdergrosse:
Good thing, this interface!
Have a question, however, whether here at the HV30 HDMI output at full resolution on the line or goes but HDV 1440x1080?
If the full HD Resolutionrausgeht, of course, is the overwhelming feeling is called auto seek a calculator would lug the 25% more quality sake and have at
combined value of HV + interface bundle on a strong high
Niveao.
Have seen the newer notebooks offer HDMI,
must be closer look.
Antwort von RickyMartini:
Good thing, this interface!
Have a question, however, whether here at the HV30 HDMI output at full resolution on the line or goes but HDV 1440x1080?
If the full HD Resolutionrausgeht, of course, is the overwhelming feeling is called auto seek a calculator would lug the 25% more quality sake and have at
combined value of HV + interface bundle on a strong high
Niveao.
Have seen the newer notebooks offer HDMI,
must be closer look. Now gaaaanz quiet times with the young horses! The image quality of HDV video can not be better than it really is!
A difference if you were synonymous can not see!
With a notebook, there is nothing to do - there is no picture via HDMI out! The card works only at synonymous with PCIe motherboards.
Look at HDV - and AVCHD material in direct comparison to - you'll see no difference, as synonymous Full HD camcorder does not have 1440 Lininen come out!
Antwort von WoWu:
So:
On the HDMI output is on many cameras (eg for the HV20) during the
Recording on 1920x1080 signal 4:2:2 - to 8-bit.
Advantage of this signal is that before the reduction and the associated artifacts located.
When
playing is of course only, 1440x1080 4:2:0 signal (including reduction of all artifacts).
In this respect can be seen with an external recording specifically for key purposes in order to achieve a better picture.
(Whether this is true for the HV30, I can not say, but in any event for the HV20)
However, the synonymous almost 1.5 Gbps .... because the input, so defeat for notebooks.
as synonymous Full HD camcorder does not have 1440 Lininen come out! Depends on the camcorder and his (s) Image Sensor (s) to ....
Antwort von deti:
The theory is that with the HDMI capturing a great thing. However, the bandwidth of the data at ~ 110Mbytes / s and that is with the CPU performance of a normal PC wegzuspeichern almost continuously. The Blackmagic drivers may be synonymous in JPEG compression, so that only about 11Mbytes / s bleibebn left, but it costs a lot of CPU power.
Even if a notebook perform like a PCIe slot would have been there it would be very likely impossible with the HDMI datastream cope.
My advice: HDMI will be capturing and Full-HD 1920x1080 Camera hernehmen to be recorded.
Deti
Antwort von weitwinkel:
well with the Apple ProRes should be a good compromise between
high quality and can reach mac-cpu/festplattenbelastung
this is synonymous to the recently mentioned here somewhere hd-storm with the
Canopus HQ codec: http://www.digitalschnitt.de/produkte/schnittkarten/hdstorm.htm
and for keyen is certainly not a bad option ...
gruß cj
Antwort von alexanderdergrosse:
Modern PCs have over 6000 + processor speed
and thus should have no problems, right?
(Small shuttle with the Black Magic, etc. equipping, lug.)
Main course, is that the full signal power is intercepted.
Not to be underestimated, is the possibility of cutting s.großen HD Television.
If you look at the whole purely arithmetically provides:
- Hv20/30 for 700 euros
- Black Magic for 200 euros
- Shuttle used for 300 euros
would not be a big savings?
Antwort von ruessel:
Own small trials have shown that the HV20/30 not even the 1440 pixels with the best Lighting exploit, since use HDMI stream in 1920 did nothing. The installed Optics is probably not with, at Aperture F4 is the true optical Resolutionso around 1.200-1.300 pixels.
Antwort von strike300xxx:
Furthermore, the HV30 does not chip FullHD the whole raster 1080x1920 überhaupt erstmal capture.
So is the pathway of the HV30 beginning s.1440x1080. Since synonymous brings you what no HDMI.
PS: But the image quality of the HV30 is still very very good!
Antwort von RickyMartini:
Modern PCs have over 6000 + processor speed
and thus should have no problems, right?
What do you mean 6000 +?
With all due respect, but it seems to me as if you were not really about PC components and their performance in the picture are (in general and video)!
For HD video editing, is not only the computing power of a CPU of concern, but at least for the synonymous use editing software. What good is a one quad with 3.6 GHz or faster, if the application is only a maximum of two cores (2 threads) and used to have with HD formats can not handle?
Please try again yourself and the forum users to clarify what you actually start with your videos want to!
Your HV20 can not nunmal Full-HD and it is synonymous never can!
You have not yet seriously before, imagine a bunch of expensive stuff to purchase and still mitzuschleppen, the light of these facts is completely useless - and just because you fixed the idea of "Full-HD" have?
Come back on the ground back and forget it!
My good advice s.dich, get better times on smart video formats, DV editing and PC hardware, before you get something soon in this direction should buy - otherwise even the ends in a fiasco!
Antwort von schlaflos011:
Your HV20 can not nunmal Full-HD and it is synonymous never can! Are you sure there?
So if I get my Macbook Pro with the following device would:
http://www.matrox.com/video/de/products/mxo2/output/
I am pretty sure about the HDMI output of the HV20 FULL HD to get.
Whether it is worthwhile is another matter - but feasible in all cases.
(see hv20.com forum)
Antwort von alexanderdergrosse:
... - Otherwise the still ends in a fiasco! I know - no need to provide evidence - cut himself synonymous in Vegas in the HDV format. Mir is important to know whether the HV30 HDMI at full HD rauskommt. Whether or incompetent, I have no idea whether or lug which will let my concern. I want from my HV30 HD full rauskitzeln, that's all. Cutting it will go, because I have tests with HDV FullHD loose and on a laptop with 3.2 done attitude.
I am pretty sure about the HDMI output of the HV20 FULL HD to get. Sleepless, you know the 100% or is that just a guess, you have concrete information about the tests or HV30-FullHD? Forum HV20.com is delivered, but I can just bad English. Is there any?
In any case, Black Magic promises in the description that the flow directly from the sensor is intercepted, they say with any HDV Camera.
Furthermore, much is often researched and that the CMOS sensor in the HV20 or 30 in FullHD is, but the entire convert to 1440 and writes on the tape, etc. The main thing is though, that if with the help of the interface and the power of the HDMIs can intercept that rauskommt FullHD.
Antwort von RickyMartini:
Your HV20 can not nunmal Full-HD and it is synonymous never can!
Are you sure there?
So if I get my Macbook Pro with the following device would:
http://www.matrox.com/video/de/products/mxo2/output/
I am pretty sure about the HDMI output of the HV20 FULL HD to get.
Whether it is worthwhile is another matter - but feasible in all cases.
(see hv20.com forum) The camera itself can not and Upscaling with such calibers in the beginner area is not really filled with meaning. ;)
Also, the calculator takes on a synonymous in Full-HD conversions.
Antwort von strike300xxx:
So once again:
Full HD Canon HV20/30 can not and will never be able.
That is a fact!
Antwort von alexanderdergrosse:
The camera itself can not and Upscaling with such calibers in the beginner area is not really filled with meaning. ;)
Also, the calculator takes on a synonymous in Full-HD conversions. Sure, the camera as it exists, it can not, but my question was, whether it has with the help of HDMI FullHD rauskommt from the HV30, that's all.
Sense has been around, if you berüksichtigst that such a concept:
hv30 HDMI interface and far less costly, and at full resolution,
damn this makes much sense. 25% quality loss of 1440 compared to 1920 are more detailed look at the visible.
Antwort von RickyMartini:
The camera itself can not and Upscaling with such calibers in the beginner area is not really filled with meaning. ;)
Also, the calculator takes on a synonymous in Full-HD conversions.
Sure, the camera as it exists, it can not, but my question was, whether it has with the help of HDMI FullHD rauskommt from the HV30, that's all.
Sense has been around, if you berüksichtigst that such a concept:
hv30 HDMI interface and far less costly, and at full resolution,
damn this makes much sense. 25% quality loss of 1440 compared to 1920 are more detailed look at the visible. 25% purely arithmetically, the difference you will never get to face, since the images only to those 25% hochskaliert and are thus not Quentchen more s.Bildinformation added, so it s.der image quality will not gain!
You stiffen as you on a milk girls! ;)
If you have a 5MPixel Picture on 10MPixel hochzieht, it does not automatically become sharper and better - that's the point!
Use in Vegas a Project in Full HD for your videos and you will have the same effect - without additional costs! :)
Antwort von Jan:
Proboscis has it been written that even the 1440 Camera Resolution Not real time record, according to specification synonymous if 1440x1080 is there and on the HV 30 a fat full HD (1920x1080) sticker on it (only for the sensor).
It will bring you nothing, because halt only "projected" is. If yes nice if HDMI 1920 rausgibt, but not when the HV 30 only can be effective 1200-1300.
VG
Jan
Antwort von schlaflos011:
http://hv20.com/showthread.php?t=1628
Antwort von domain:
If the full HD Resolutionrausgeht, is of course an overwhelming feeling.
Your basic idea is of course ok: we assume in contrast to the general public and some adverse circumstances Schlepperei in Purchase, is a much better signal recorded.
The idea is good, but the practice will teach you a lesson, or do you believe in earnest that all Camhersteller with their practical solutions on the noodle soup dahergeschwommen are?
Mach calm your theory be next, but we promise that you tell us about your experience occasionally and your workflow will be reported.
We are all looking forward.
Moreover, an overwhelming impression of a video is unlikely Together with its resolution. That is a misinterpretation of the capital at all.
Antwort von alexanderdergrosse:
Sadly I find that the manufacturer cut the quality to be the great colossi far better for expensive money to sell.
Time seriously: what if 8 times cheaper camera in the visual quality of the Grand stands - that would be bad for the sale of large expensive models.
Naja.
(In addition, the promise HDMI Interface Manufacturer that from each of the FullHD HDV Cam rausholen - since you s.and be torn from the stool)
Antwort von Meggs:
Time seriously: what if 8 times cheaper camera in the visual quality of the Grand stands - that would be bad for the sale of large expensive models.
Wishful thinking. The big expensive lenses have their meaning.
Antwort von domain:
Alexander, this is simply not true, you go of a false theory.
The image quality will not be intentionally throttled, but quite the opposite: the attempt from the Manufacturer for the modest consumer camcorders have the maximum according to public taste out.
Your thoughts are running in a completely wrong direction. The modest size of the sensors and the quality of Lenses make image enhancement procedures, as we all know, are first needed.
As you can with higher bit rates can not achieve more than the imaging system at all is capable of and that's not bad, but in relation to the extent possible, is still pretty little.
Antwort von alexanderdergrosse:
http://www.blackmagic-design.com/de/products/intensity/ If you look here, the whole thing is very tempting.
I myself am a fan of XDCAM and've borrowed many times,
the quality is insane, the price to buy but very high.
In several forums are games shown how with less
expensive Cams Best rausholen, eg with the HV30.
In direct comparison: large-and small-scale models to me that the images but all are acceptable. Only the manual settings and the look is much more pronounced for larger. Synonymous and that is very important to remember that all manual control should / MUST.
My concern here is the smaller models to s.die borders auszureizen that possibly better quality herauszukizeln is.
Bin schon of HDV converted to DV, because I the best possible resolution Personally wants. I do not know, but I love the full resolution content, well, not everyone can understand.
Antwort von domain:
... but I love the full resolution content, well, not everyone can understand.
For God did not. Just try it with a story to tell than the Resolutionzu ensured. Even with documentation, there are stories. A certain logic of narrative art, which is always exciting next progressive and intriguing is the essence of a movie.
Forget the letztendgültige the sharpness and resolution.
Antwort von WoWu:
Only he basically right, of course, on the HDMI output he gets in any case the best possible picture from the camera delivered .... no preference whether the forecast is 1920 ... or 1280 The come in any event, synonymous with the cameras out, the format support and the fact that they picked the data reduction are also synonymous according artifact free.
This was previously only with HDSDI ... now what exactly times of any camera is not supported and it is now with HDMI with virtually all kinds of devices.
If that is his goal to be the best possible image quality (no preference synonymous immern how little it is Resolutionnun) to reach, then he has HDMI output on the opportunity to do so.
And quality does not really have anything to do with Resolutionzu.
Antwort von domain:
Basically, he was right, but you can still s.die fascinating documentation of the French film students remember what actually a group of firefighters in New York wanted to document and then accidentally witnesses of 9.11. were?
Dense and of course, unspeakably gruesome dramatic documentation without technical perfection.
So it is important not only to the sharpness, the Pixelzählerei, the data and the compression artifacts, it is becoming increasingly relevant to all times and the contents remain.
Antwort von WoWu:
... and the time .... remember
If you look at the docs again today anschaust, you'll probably be a different verdict come .... I was so in any case.
At the time, took it all to what you aufführst ....
Yet one can not blame, at least in the best picture quality, which may be achieved. One closes so the other does not.
Antwort von domain:
Of course, exclude the other one not, but if more than 90% only of the one speaking, one could almost believe that the other is almost no role plays.
Typical for amateurs is the fixation on the image in the hope that with these times throughout the film will be big hit.
Thus an infinite amount of time and money in any case not ending Perfektionitis made and then come Armutschgerlfilme like Grandmas birthday of the zoo and visit with the children out, moreover, häuig poorly done (so only with darübergeklatschter Picture and Music).
Something in weighting true, sometimes there is not, I have the impression.
Since the script is lacking, the leading idea for grandma's birthday, so with old photos and moving sentimalen and humorously ironic comments, so what right to cry and laugh, or so ........
You know what I mean.
Antwort von RickyMartini:
Sadly I find that the manufacturer cut the quality to be the great colossi far better for expensive money to sell.
Time seriously: what if 8 times cheaper camera in the visual quality of the Grand stands - that would be bad for the sale of large expensive models.
Naja.
(In addition, the promise HDMI Interface Manufacturer that from each of the FullHD HDV Cam rausholen - since you s.and be torn from the stool) HDV uses the computer system. DV is a data rate of 25MBit / s specified. To obtain full-HD can be a data rate of 31.25 Mbit / s (+25%) is needed, although with DV can not be achieved.
So there is this unavoidable limitation to 1440x1080i.
From a "derated quality can therefore be no talk!
Only with H.264 HD (AVCHD) is the restriction of the resolution favors, with the maximum data rate of 24MBit / s is the Canon already has reached.
You just try to fight the symptoms but not the cause.
Therefore it makes sense for you just to bring you a new camcorder zuzulegen (HG20/21, HF1x/100), which is currently technically feasible systems.
From a lump of silver we have no gold, synonymous if you paint it gold, because on closer examination it is still only silver!
Antwort von deti:
@ RickyMartini: Thank you! One can simply not be said often enough.
Deti
Antwort von alexanderdergrosse:
Typical for amateurs is the fixation on the image in the hope that with these times throughout the film will be big hit. Sense of all this is not a huge success but that you have the better quality you can capture more flexibility in post production have, what the processing and color correction is concerned, therefore, the fixation on FullHD. It would be unprofessional to have the best technology to handle it without them. Finally, more history and the result (the film). The result depends on the resolution uswith together that if you have more leeway in the handling did that better (finer) quality rauskommt, that's all, and this is on a projector more than visible. Moreover, the option of Blowups remain on 35mm since the FullHD near the 16mm and is known as the 16mm film to 35mm good can be converted without major Einbusen in quality. But if 25% are missing (1440 vs. 1920) is more than visible (beamer, etc.), which is like a BigMac without lids (upper part), or like a book, where 25 percent of the pages are missing. I love the film, rather than technology, I just want more room for little money. Money is like water, it is never enough of da.
From a "derated quality can therefore be no talk! If direct chip of 1920 rauskommt via HDMI or at least better quality, then justifies the expense with the towing etc.. Compression and tape drive are bypassed.
In the later Postpro will be a blessing if you have more scope.
So, thank you people for your help and contributions in this thread ;-)
Antwort von domain:
Already clear, but if you think in those dimensions, then all you need with pea large 8 mm mono-sensor chips and lenses that do not have a wide range master (always a sign of Cheap Heimer) not even begin.
Antwort von Meggs:
If direct chip of 1920 rauskommt via HDMI or at least better quality, then justifies the expense with the towing etc.. Compression and tape drive are bypassed.
If you have a technical system wants to drill, you must start with the eye of a needle. The bottleneck for camcorders like the HV30 is the lens, followed by the chip. FullHD models in this price class, such as the HG 20 intersect in tests not better. Other, more expensive HDV models such as the A1 deliver much better pictures.
Antwort von alexanderdergrosse:
So, ultimately, worth the whole effort did not save what is left or rent. Well, actually the best classic tactic.
Antwort von domain:
In what genre is actually your movie project for which you would have been such a burden to operate?
Antwort von WideScreen:
... Just what you need ne ne HDCAM or RED, but when everything with its Camera for $ 500 as well? So true .... * ironic *
Funny I find synonymous in this context the fact that many of their HDV material via HDMI off on the calculator then save in HDV and believe what they had won, because yes HDMI FULL HD and makes great data.
The material is first inflated and then re-compressed, is hardly an obvious. The same is the case with SDI instance. So are copies of (digital) SDI via Tapes synonymous lossy.
Correct the data would 1zu1 to copy, as he was "from the head" comes. Say via Firewire or broadcast technology via SDTI.
HDMI (for HDV recordings) more suitable for connection s.TV, but not to cut.
For the Special issue: Mach ne Tape Recording via HDMI and a video and show whether what you see. If so, then slow the calculator with rum, if no, forget it. (From the Camera its grad times as much cost as a Battery of a "clever" camera, images can be expected, the reference class, it is naive ...?)
Antwort von alexanderdergrosse:
In what genre is actually your movie project for which you would have been such a burden to operate? I will produce a indie no-budget film making, and wants a full quality with the HV30 have. (But most likely the rented XDCAM.) Such an effort is worthwhile already. (Because nothing is out of the HDVs then remain 2 Poss.: With the same or Hv30 with XDCAM my favorites. Had just hope / idea that the FullHD from the HV30 can rausholen. Make some tests distinction: Tape vs . Direct HDMI.
... Images can be expected, the reference class, it is naive ...? ... As the naive can not describe - if all technical true
I concentrate only on the movie design, lighting and the actual story. If with the technique of the battle is won (that the resolution, quality, etc.) then you can just do the work and "artistic" to be fixed, rather than always in mind to have the technology. I want the beginning of s.HD.
The whole here, I mentioned the only reason, because no-budget films also have no-budget, money is therefore in short supply, or else I would like a large Kam brought here without a long discussion.
This is synonymous no apology or excuse, and I want my project will probably pass through, if it is synonymous with pure HDV Ausflösung is.
Antwort von WideScreen:
What use FULL HD OUT when the Optics not even 1440 x 1080 on the clever chip can bring? The optics of the camera costs around 70 euro. Do you believe that the precision is processed?
Antwort von WoWu:
One must look at this unspeakable notion of "FullHD" disconnect, only the Marketing people have invented and which is now always with 1920 in connection mark.
Even if you lower spatial resolution from the HDMI refers is the signal quality is better because not only a higher color fürliegt, but the signal is free of synonymous reduction artifacts.
Thus if you have the choice between the recorded signal and the signal during the recording at the HDMI output is present, this is undoubtedly of better quality, which are easily determined when the two signals at once using key-ing.
Regarding the concerns Optics .... no question ... these are large pea cullet.
Only the alternative is, of course, only one other camera.
Antwort von WideScreen:
Because I give you quite Wolfgang. Saves you Vorrausgesetzt then Unkompimiert or very weakly compressed and then processed the next and so synonymous with the end the show then. But what is difficult ....
But as it gehts yes "only" to the resolution.
Investext animals prefer more time in the image design s.Schluss. Keyword matching color.
Bring more secure:)
Have fun with the Project. :)
Antwort von WoWu:
Just to color matching, you need to get back to achieve the highest possible signal quality .... and that is just here ....
Antwort von WideScreen:
You need to have knowledge of color around the synonymous properly store them. So s.besten then to 4:4:4 color. Na dann viel Spass.
Fänd it's more important is what is happening in front of the lens to employ, as the "Hinder the Lens".
By the Way: In the digital video is something the 20s or 30s synonymous 4:4:4 output. Na bitte. Perfect. Now only a 4 Tray RAID to store uncompressed data, and then someone s.Calculator "Record" is expressed as the s.der Camera ned is yes. toller workflow ne 0 Euro production ....
Antwort von WoWu:
The white point is based on all RGB color (with one exception) are identical .... So where is the problem lie?
By the Way: In the digital video is something the 20s or 30s synonymous 4:4:4 output. If so HV20 and HV 30 mean?
At the AGM 20, I can not confirm.
Apart from this there is no man so the material is then processed next, but always in a "pleasant for him codec go, be it an Intermediate ProRes422 as if he was with 10 bit can start, or perhaps the DIRAC, or at the synonymous Canopus HQ, if it works in 8 bits. We are thus in AVC-I Class100.
Any how he loved his workflow and allow it.
Antwort von alexanderdergrosse:
One must look at this unspeakable notion of "FullHD" disconnect But if the full Resolutionhast, then comes closer to the 16mm, which is synonymous words, that if of 16mm to 35mm over a BlowUp want to do, already standard on the full needs. The lack Resolutiondes HDV standards then you can see on the big screen already.
Himself had the opportunity to XDCAM hv30 on the Beamer with Resolutionzu full view. Admittedly, on the television we see very, very difficult, the difference (Resolutiongemeint 1440 vs. 1920), but it looks already, but on the beamer, you can see the difference easily, lack Resolutionim Comparison. Certainly, the Picture of the Ex Hv to lengths.
Therefore, the issue here, with the flare of the best possible signal for little coal, for no-budget is certainly a great thing.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... Had the opportunity itself against XDCAM hv30 ... to consider ... "XDCAM" can be a whole lot, so times out of interest the question: What XDCAM (HD or EX?) Camera or what have you compared the HV30?
Antwort von alexanderdergrosse:
The Ex1, but as I said, ex1, the hv30 for many things.
You may not even compare.
But I declined compared to the Ausflösung to see: 1440 vs. the 1920th
Rein Resolutionher of the view, you can see the difference:
1920 The ex1 against hv30 of 1440, the resolution loss of 25%
that is visible on the projector.
Antwort von WideScreen:
The white point is based on all RGB color (with one exception) are identical .... So where is the problem lie?
By the Way: In the digital video is something the 20s or 30s synonymous 4:4:4 output.
If so HV20 and HV 30 mean?
At the AGM 20, I can not confirm. White Point? That is probably true, but recordings are not black white, but color. Now wonder about the statement ...
Indeed, for white would be synonymous 4:0:0 so rich ....
Yes, they were meant. HV20 and HV30. Habs synonymous only read and laugh. Belief in the cameraman stood Dirn times. But I checked the no. I actually synonymous no preference.
Antwort von ruessel:
The Ex1, but as I said, ex1, the hv30 for many things.
You may not even compare. I see differently ..... see: http://www.fxsupport.de/blog/06_08.html (Comparison HV20 + EX1)
Antwort von alexanderdergrosse:
RUSSELS, may I ask you, your page is really very interesting, and you seem very much experience with the HV-series, so I would like to ask you!
If only the final picture is apart of manual options, increased price, many subtleties of professional
Ex1 / 3, the HV20/30 a similar quality as Ex1 / 3 produce?,
provided the best possible light setting, the meticulous HV20/30 recruit!
Is the man of Hv20/30 expect that on larger screens, projector screens, or images are not perfect but at least
speak of image quality? (all apart of missing
Professional settings (Blnde, shutter, manual setting, etc.)
Picture only one, so in the way))
Antwort von ruessel:
Of course, EX1 / 3 Picture alone from the codec already clean (very visible on large screens). Nevertheless, a HV20 or Hv30 Picture is not miles away from the EX Picture removed, at least for moving scenes and good light on the spot. (my personal opinion)
It was even difficult situations where I was with the HV20 better pictures (thanks to the almost perfect auto-focus) have received. Then we add that a EX1 Picture at 1080i (FullHD 35MBits) not exactly a revelation in the Resolutionist ..... because they are not separated much of a 600 euro Canon Camera. it would be different, I had already bought EX. But what LowLight and coping contrast, I would like to no 1 / 2 inch image chip to miss, here presented Sonyecht something ..... EX5 which will show whether synonymous 4:2:2 and a more stable housing (buttons), 1080i and good automatics better price for this yet, then had the little Sony and Canon, in fact, no more chances.
Antwort von alexanderdergrosse:
It was even difficult situations where I was with the HV20 better pictures (thanks to the almost perfect auto-focus) have received. How do you in practice with the restriction of Hv20/30 to ensure that only very limited semiautomatic grammar? It is well known that manual intervention only when / Settings rausholen the best can. There are also specialized forums, where most English-language tests accurate and tricks are available, the best of the cam to get.
How are you doing this?
Artifacts are the most critical point of the cams of the lower price range.
How do you handle it?
Antwort von domain:
Nevertheless, a HV20 or Hv30 Picture is not miles away from the EX Picture removed, at least for moving scenes and good light on the spot.
It is limited to discussions in the 2 M-pixel area.
Interesting that the meaning it can sharpen that already synonymous miles wide gaps are evident.
There must ask ourselves what the 10 M-pixel Digiknipsen of various manufacturers in the ¬ 300 - the area now have even mean?
A truly better or just Marketingstragegie Picture?
The armseelige 2-C format is still in the video section very interesting for amateurs but for professionals, such as the EBU experts "do not.
We can see that professionals always coarse for Sharp to have had no preference on what areas. ;-))
Antwort von ruessel:
How do you in practice with the restriction of Hv20/30 to ensure that only very limited semiautomatic grammar? My main camera is the XHA1 (mostly manual exposure "M" and autofocus).
The HV20, HF100 and Hv30 I always sit in when it is with the "big" because of space or camera speed is not different. (which are much smaller than a XHa1 Mobile on a Vinten, I love Monopod)
The small cameras I'm really only with Filters (ND, IR) and then often in full automatic or manual F2.8 aperture or shutter 1 / 50. I cut HV20 and XHA1 material can sometimes use the HV20 because of lack of recording CAs look better. With the restrictions on the handling and must be synonymous, I can live only with a lot of nerves contrasts the Canons (bright stops away). It ran synonymous my material (in SD - on digital beta copies) of the HV20 in public TV, so technically it can be bad not to be.
I would certainly never come up with the idea, a high spot for the car industry with a Hv30 turn. But this is not synonymous my market where I move. I am honest with a projection of 2-3 meters on a good show already - and it works actually been decent with a little experience + an HV20/30/HF100. Of course LowLight shots .... except it works with the small is not particularly good.
Theme artifacts: the extent there is - in my opinion - only with strobe in troubled images such as water surfaces are all the cameras since the HV20 which (relatively) untouched, the chips seem to be more effective than MPG2 eg in the FX1 to work. Since I often only when shutter 1 / 50 work, anyway, there are fewer artifacts, fast movements are blurred and only show in the frame artifacts in the film, it is barely on.
Sure, an expensive prof. Camera can be used in some situations a lot more fun, but I have 3 cameras often have them ..... the pay but the (my) Client often not. In addition, the technology is progressing so fast because I'm not ready to Camera to 5 years off. I've always been shooting for a Peli case with the HV20 + Hv30 + HF100 car while ..... the price-performance ratio is unbeatable. For my clients it is optical HD (HDV to Bluray 1920), for me pixel counter is clear that still more would have to go ..... but what kind of Camera (rotating completed) at 20,000 euros today creates this optical power already? Answer: My Nikon D90 in Time Lapse mode (even then in true 4K). ;-)
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
only annoy a lot of contrasts, the Canons (bright breaks away) You see, just report the "Tester" and not the "pixel count" full ride on the double-line resolution from ...
Antwort von alexanderdergrosse:
For the Special issue: Mach ne Tape Recording via HDMI and a video and show whether what you see. You can see the difference, but it provides little to.
When HDMI signal comes out better than Play mode from the tape.
For my clients it is optical HD (HDV to Bluray 1920), for me pixel counter is clear that still more would have to go ..... What do you think about this issue -> HDMI signal flare to the chip.
Do you have any such similar tests - comparisons between the tape and Play via HDMI direct from the Cam Hv30?
Since I see differences, Conclusion: with HDMI better, in my opinion.
Antwort von WoWu:
@ WideScreen
White Point? That is probably true, but recordings are not black white, but color. In the Normfarbtafel is defined white point of the equivalency point x = y = z = 0.3333.
In the XYZ system, the white dots on the Unbuntlinie associated Farbkörper.
According to the standardized measurement, it is always at the level of the value Y = 100 shown, this value should be accurate as of the same size Y Hellbezugswert A named.
Gladly at "Wiki" evidence ...
Indeed, for white would be synonymous 4:0:0 so rich .... It would be helpful synonymous for a better understanding if you are not color with the color would be confused.
Now wonder about the statement ... .... then the surprise would be synonymous not so great.
Thanks for the note on the article in the cameraman ... I must sehn times where I get info about her.
Antwort von domain:
only annoy a lot of contrasts, the Canons (bright breaks away)
You see, just report the "Tester" and not the "pixel count" full ride on the double-line resolution from ... You have to picture the overall performance of camcorders in the same segment as a circle of 360 degrees imagine.
If a specific goal such as the "Sharpness" mainly launches, you can be charged to this segment of another course, powerful build.
And that is practiced Canon unfortunately apparent.
But Sony, for example, the FX1000 has grasped what it really for advanced users can go and they are not high enough credit.
Antwort von ruessel:
What do you think about this issue -> HDMI signal flare to the chip.
Do you have any such similar tests - comparisons between the tape and Play via HDMI direct from the Cam Hv30? Yes, I had some time ago with my Intensity done. In the result I can not remember exactly. In any case, the differences at 1 meter in my flat is too small for these HDMI next thing to seriously pursue.
Antwort von ruessel:
You have to picture the overall performance of camcorders in the same segment as a circle of 360 degrees imagine.
If a specific goal such as the "Sharpness" mainly launches, you can be charged to this segment of another course, powerful build. I can not quite understand. I do not talk but of sharpness of image resolution. This I find at HD cameras have one of the key sizes, but otherwise I can with a good SD camera and keep me from enjoying. (SD-DVDs can be synonymous wonderfully hochskaliert on the flat look, but immediately lose the appeal of HD Bluray to "shine" + "depth")
Antwort von domain:
The Resolutionist with equally large and equally populated pixelmäßig sensors for all camcorders in roughly the same, unless a real glass lens than would be consumed and this is synonymous for the rather weak Lens A1.
But not the resolution of power mainly from the sharp impression, but very different picture elements, there are great examples on the Internet.
A Picture with 1 / 3 resolution (of Arri), for example. prepared so that it looked sharper than the soft Picture in original resolution.
Antwort von WideScreen:
@ WideScreen
Indeed, for white would be synonymous 4:0:0 so rich ....
It would be helpful synonymous for a better understanding if you are not color with the color would be confused.
Hm but we talk all the time about the color? (sfgo [see almost the whole top]) So at least that was the trigger for the discussion.
It's just so that if the color is less Komprimierst, ie in the ideal case 4:4:4, then this is for the post in sachen Picture impression helpful, because the color is higher than for example, 4:2:2.
The white point, (the one originally calibrated at the White Balance), did nothing with the color to be done. Do not quite understand why we would come:)
And thank you Wiki Knowledge post here, does well, but that can all but even after reading if you do not know.
Antwort von WideScreen:
For the Special issue: Mach ne Tape Recording via HDMI and a video and show whether what you see.
You can see the difference, but it provides little to.
When HDMI signal comes out better than Play mode from the tape.
Since I see differences, Conclusion: with HDMI better, in my opinion. Because the compression for HDV eliminated. So, problem solved. Picture is better. Did you but then the question answered itself. Now time for the haste which expire before the camera is what I believe is more important than the pixel count.
Antwort von alexanderdergrosse:
... Image resolution. This I find at HD cameras have one of the key sizes, but otherwise I can with a good SD camera and keep me from enjoying ... Because I'm really the same opinion.
Count each pixel is synonymous to the Page to be safer, more leeway in handling it.
So, problem solved. I will try next ... Yes, the actual film is more important than the technology and more fun. A certain degree of safety in the technical quality but should be given to quiet to sleep, so the topic. ;-)
Antwort von WideScreen:
Yes, the actual film is more important than the technology and more fun. A certain degree of safety in the technical quality but should be given to quiet to sleep, so the topic. ;-) I see exactly the same way. :)
