Frage von shipoffools:
Hello,
I would times Your answers and opinions concerning interest. (... and if there is any need for it.)
The theme of "Microphone" is yes in the video - and the film is known to be a much discussed area, because a good sound is just as important as the picture itself
Again and again we read here and in other forums similar questions: "Who can me a Microphone for XY recommend my camera?" or "Is this or that Micro better?" etc.
The answers to these questions are (our own experiences, feelings and preferences accordingly) always subjective and sometimes more, sometimes less helpful.
There are often "compared apples with pears", synonymous here and if there is a viable and professional response will be read.
In search of an objective comparison of video test microphones (when compared with objective tests may be similar to that ...), Camcorders-Comparison/Test of Slashcam, I was unfortunately not been found.
There are so many in the www Comparison of microphones, such as studio microphones (EUR upwards of 1000 ...) or a variety of microphones musician (drums mics or mics for guitars, etc.), but so far I am unfortunately not succeeded a similar comparison test for that division to be found.
If it is a comparative test on Video -/Filmmikrofone there, and I simply was unable to find him, I would be grateful for a reference.
Otherwise it is a suggestion s.slashCAM times such a value to start. o)
Would be interesting because, for example, tests and comparisons in the areas of
- Stereo Microphones
- Directional microphones
- Wireless microphones
according to their polar patterns are ordered.
That would look really informative, the most frequent microphone directly to be able to compare side by side, with indication of all pros-and minus points and just as objectively as possible. All tested under the same guidelines and specifications and with the same instruments, and everything in the same laboratory.
... and if there is something really there, please post the link here, thanks!
Greeting
shipoffools
Antwort von Musashi:
Hello,
A comparative test of all the microphones, I can not offer you.
I am using as a basis for my search for video / audio hardware and software are often the best of the Active Digital Video Magazine. If you have the latest issue can not buy you want the list for free at the following link to download.
http://www.videoaktiv.de/Bestenliste.html
It will give you USDI heading microphones, divided into Stereomiks, monomers, Funkmiks, Aufsteckmiks and USBmiks. See also List price, test result (score and grade) and in which the journal Miks were tested. Moreover, given what Miks just with phantom power to operate.
I am looking for me from the corresponding heading out the things which fit my budget and look at me the tests available on the Internet (Google, Slashcam and other video - and audio sides) or a magazine to test.
Maybe this helps you in your search so next.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... If there is such a comparison test of video -/Filmmikrofone there ... in the fields of stereo microphones ... ... ... directional microphones radio microphones ... please post the link here ... Such tests across all price ranges, there is: I remember s.mindestens one on an American Page - although with some microphones available only there - but very informative and with many sound samples to download. The only thing I am absolutely no longer remember the URL of this Page ... Should I find it again, I ran after the link.
Antwort von Meggs:
Thomann has a great choice s.Mikros, many can be found in the description next to manual etc. synonymous testing of links to journals, such as the SC450:
http://www.thomann.de/de/the_tbone_sc450.htm
Antwort von shipoffools:
Hello,
first thank you for all the answers!
... I am using as a basis for my search for video / audio hardware and software are often the best of the Active Digital Video Magazine. If you have the latest issue can not buy you want the list for free at the following link to download.
http://www.videoaktiv.de/Bestenliste.html
@ Musashi:
This link is really very interesting and I will in the future in the search for the appropriate equipment with safety often anything goes!
The Choice of microphones (synonymous ... but the other "tools") is very broad and the evaluation score and Case (notes) provides a quick overview. Only when the classification of the category "Aufsteckmikrofone" seems a bit to go querbeet (apples with pears? ..., O):
Since there are, for example, "Beyerdynamic MCE 72" (stereo cardioid microphone, atmosphere), "Rode NTG 2" (mono, super-cardioid directional microphone), t.bone EM-9900 (Mono, Standard Micro), SonyECM MSD-1 or Rode VideoMic (both real only with hot shoe on the Cam to put) in a group together. And these microphones can be in my opinion really does not directly juxtapose just because they are synonymous camcorder to a "put" may be.
That reminds me to be synonymous as subjectively "Höreindrücke" could be (in this case my own).
The Beyerdynamic MCE 72 "is with very good and I am personally very satisfied synonymous. The SonyECM MSD-1, I used with my old Sony camcorder and was (am) so very happy, but in the test with satisfactory dismissed. As is my subjective impression is different.
@ Meggen
The Thomann links I already know and are synonymous quite interesting, but as a direct comparison somewhat cumbersome and not always synonymous truly objectively. The t.bone SC450, for example (which I have synonymous), in another test not so well off "as described in Thomann of the linked page. They want their "stuff", after sale ...
I'm still satisfied with the "thing"! Had I but a direct Hörvergleich to a really good large-diaphragm mic, my satisfaction would probably no longer so "graciously" fail.
Each case would probably MP3 audio samples, frequency analysis, noise behavior, etc. side by side (just like the Slashcam Camcorders-Comparison/Test) an optimal solution, which is probably in the form (not yet), except on that of "Bernd E." American Page mentioned that perhaps here is linked to.
Best Regards
shipoffools
Antwort von Meggs:
For me it is exactly the opposite. The video asset list, I know for years. Some tests I have read kopfschüttelnd.
Thomann When I have been quite synonymous with critical test results read. Thomann sells almost the entire range. If you do not want T-Bone you buy just a AKG, Thomann sells both. At the SC1100 is a link to a current test report from KEYS with almost all current large-diaphragm microphone to 300 ¬. This test shows a lot more expertise than the usual video asset tests.
The SC450 has an excellent price / performance ratio.
Antwort von Meggs:
Perhaps a few examples of my head
HD camcorder
The Canon HG20 gets 73 points and very good, especially the A1 and by 75 very well synonymous. Same note, almost identical scores for such diverse devices.
Mini-mixer and compact mixer
Almost all mixers have the "very good, the Behringer mixers are the point evaluation well before the Mackie mixers.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... except on that of "Bernd E." Page said American ... Is - still - not the Page, I thought, but in the same direction and is synonymous throughout enlightening:
http://www.kenstone.net/fcp_homepage/right_mic_brockett.html
Antwort von shipoffools:
For me it is exactly the opposite. The video asset list, I know for years. Some tests I have read kopfschüttelnd.
Thomann When I have been quite synonymous with critical test results read. Thomann sells almost the entire range. If you do not want T-Bone you buy just a AKG, Thomann sells both. At the SC1100 is a link to a current test report from KEYS with almost all current large-diaphragm microphone to 300 ¬. This test shows a lot more expertise than the usual video asset tests.
The SC450 has an excellent price / performance ratio.
... Maybe a few more examples of my head ...
...
... Mini-mixer and compact mixer
Almost all mixers have the "very good, the Behringer mixers are the point evaluation well before the Mackie mixers.
That one video asset list is not the ultimate buying decision should take is, I think, clear. But a quick, broad overview of "usable" to "excellent" equipment to have, I find this "test charts" is very helpful. Of course, you will try again before the purchase in more detail about the election coming closer to inform devices. Concerning Thomann products, I almost never been synonymous been disappointed and I'm there for 20 years as a customer Thomann far s.Internethandel thought or even products under its own brand name. Whether Stairville, Millennium, etc. t.bone is: everything in the price / performance ratio is really good. As mentioned above, I am with the SC450 highly satisfied. For the price a top part, no doubt! (The link to the SC1100, I will more closely at them, lead.) Similarly, the t.bone MB85 beta (a Shure SM 58 beta-replica) is 39 Euro for a great vocal microphone with a lot more pressure than, for example, nearly three times as expensive classics Shure SM 58th However, I would not t.bone "s.die wall knocking or throwing down umpteen times, representing a Shure can wear almost nothing, except maybe a bent basket. The stability and longevity (as the material quality) is synonymous, I think a great point on which these "cheap microphones" is saved. As for the mixer, it is a bit surprising that the active video in almost all "very good" brand ... However, often times I was oltenen Behringer mixers in defense. I can not for the "newer generation" of Behringer speak, because my MX2004A Behringer Eurorack (16 channels) have nearly ten years old has (bought in 1999 for DM 730, also at Thomann), but this mixer is doing his duty to today (after several hundred gigs) without any music, and what the sound is concerned, it is at least as a live mixer, in the price category erste Sahne! With my slightly more than one year for 679 euro bought Mackie 1642 VLZ3 (16 channels), I am very satisfied synonymous, and it is of course a direct comparison better than the Behringer, but honestly I had of a "Mackie" is still more are expected. The Mackie is synonymous halt but a damn good mixer and studio in the future will be synonymous with me more use for video projects can be found.
To reiterate the issue microphones for video to come:
Since I am on the lookout for good to very good directional microphone (mono) bin, volatile at the moment I am somewhere between Rode NTG-1 (or -2), Beyerdynamic MCE 86 and Sennheiser K6/ME66, which of course ultimately synonymous a genuine issue of price. (Adjust the "AKG C1000S MKIII" really synonymous in this series?)
Since I moved to the t.bones somewhat skeptical, synonymous if they are always highly praised and advertised to be.
@ Bernd E.
I have looked at the times of your linked durchgeschaut Page (to be precise study's probably a little longer, English ..., o), but at first glance seem to be largely Mikros, which for my purse (at least for the moment ...) but then something "serious", although the finest microphones. Nevertheless, thanks for the link! (Be my audition to Ohre lead times!)
Greeting
shipoffools
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Antwort von Meggs:
I think the Behringer mixer synonymous not bad, myself one. But that of Video Active is rated significantly better than the twice as expensive and certainly synonymous of high quality processed Mackie surprised me very much.
My Conclusion: It gets NEN glance, the notes and the ratings can be forgotten.
Antwort von Meggs:
To reiterate the issue microphones for video to come:
Since I am on the lookout for good to very good directional microphone (mono) bin, volatile at the moment I am somewhere between Rode NTG-1 (or -2), Beyerdynamic MCE 86 and Sennheiser K6/ME66, which of course ultimately synonymous a genuine issue of price. (Adjust the "AKG C1000S MKIII" really synonymous in this series?)
Since I moved to the t.bones somewhat skeptical, synonymous if they are always highly praised and advertised to be. The microphones of you mentioned are certainly good and certainly better than the synonymous T-Bone EM9600 and EM9900.
The question is, what a guide on a micro camcorder ultimately synonymous with the best quality can deliver. A T-Bone Micro close to the sound source will ultimately be much better sound than a Rode, Sennheiser or Beyerdynamic Micro on the camcorder a few meters away of the sound source.
Antwort von Chewbacca:
Helpful Samples of various directional microphones (k6/me66, ntg2 etc.) are synonymous here:
http://dvestore.com/theatre/mics_guide.html#
For me it was more helpful than many tests, because I am actually a sound profile for my taste could decide - regardless of laboratory values.
Antwort von scubavideo1:
To reiterate the issue microphones for video to come:
Since I am on the lookout for good to very good directional microphone (mono) bin, volatile at the moment I am somewhere between Rode NTG-1 (or -2), Beyerdynamic MCE 86 and Sennheiser K6/ME66, which of course ultimately synonymous a genuine issue of price. The price / performance ratio is the
Rode NTG-2Für 209,- Euro (Strassenpreis) bekommt du ein sehr neutrales, empfindliches Micro with exzellentem Signal/Rauschabstand and der Möglichkeit, wahlweise Phantom- oder Battiespeisung zu benutzen.
Das Sennheiser ME66 ist ebenfalls amtlich. Der grosse Vorteil des Sennheiser K6 Modulsystems ist gleichzeitig synonymous sein Nachteil: Für die 249 Scheine, die das ME66 K6, der noch mal with 249 Euro (Strassenpreis)zu Buche schlägt.
Wenn man aber erst einmal einen K6 besitzt, kann man beliebige Mikrofonmodule aus dem K6 Programm damit benutzen. Also z.B. synonymous das Reportagemikro
Rode NTG-2Für 209,- Euro (Strassenpreis) bekommt du ein sehr neutrales, empfindliches Micro with exzellentem Signal/Rauschabstand and der Möglichkeit, wahlweise Phantom- oder Battiespeisung zu benutzen.
Das Sennheiser ME66 ist ebenfalls amtlich. Der grosse Vorteil des Sennheiser K6 Modulsystems ist gleichzeitig synonymous sein Nachteil: Für die 249 Scheine, die das ME65 Rode NTG-2Für 209,- Euro (Strassenpreis) bekommt du ein sehr neutrales, empfindliches Micro with exzellentem Signal/Rauschabstand and der Möglichkeit, wahlweise Phantom- oder Battiespeisung zu benutzen.
Das Sennheiser ME66 ist ebenfalls amtlich. Der grosse Vorteil des Sennheiser K6 Modulsystems ist gleichzeitig synonymous sein Nachteil: Für die 249 Scheine, die das
The Beyer Dynamic MCE 86 is available in two variants. Only the version with MCE 86 S has a battery compartment and the Möglcihkeit, alternatively
Rode NTG-2Für 209,- Euro (Strassenpreis) bekommt du ein sehr neutrales, empfindliches Micro with exzellentem Signal/Rauschabstand and der Möglichkeit, wahlweise Phantom- oder Battiespeisung zu benutzen.
Das Sennheiser ME66 ist ebenfalls amtlich. Der grosse Vorteil des Sennheiser K6 Modulsystems ist gleichzeitig synonymous sein Nachteil: Für die 249 Scheine, die das synonymous with no phantom power to work.
The MCE 86 S is currently my bread and butter directional micro. It is well suited for indoor and outdoor shots. the latter is, however, a windbreak duty, and thus is a real Fellwindschutz meant, ie a softy of Rycote. Otherwise Windgeräuscht not be avoided. This is true for the rest of all three mics.
Beyer Dynamics has a few years ago and operated nursing model the MCE 86 S IIDas MCE 86 S and das MCE 86 S II eignen sich meiner Erfahrung nach nicht für Aufnahmen sehr leiser Geräusche (z.B. Natur, Tierdokus, etc.)
Mein nächstes Monorichtmikro wird jedenfalls ein Rode NTG-3.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
Sennheiser ME66 ... ... 249 ... just slips the micro capsule. Additionally, Power adapter ... ... which is still times with 249 Euro ... account for ... Buy the two together in a set, but it's much cheaper: 379 euro for example Thomann.
Antwort von Chewbacca:
[quote = "Bernd E."]
Sennheiser ME66 ... ... 249
Buy the two together in a set, but it's much cheaper: 379 euro for example Thomann. hallo bernd,
that sounds good - but for me not to be found at thomann on the website ...
the set is no longer in the offer or you have special insights (ie left) are denied to me?
lg,
d.
Antwort von Chewbacca:
A question s.die NTG2 User:
I have long s.der in a university media lab work, where we have equipment for student short films have made. The K6/ME66 there was a kind of standard. Has never gezickt, was such a work horse on which you could always leave. I have such a determined six years s.allerlei people borrowed, which is really no technique in the hands should be. The Sennheiser part was not small to get.
For budget reasons, we then synonymous 2 NTG-2 reports, after a short time both are a Wobbler s.ihren had XLR connectors.
Has someone seen the like?
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... not to be found at thomann on the website ... you have left ... special ... Synonymous'm just randomly draufgestoßen because I am under "MKE 666" could not imagine:
http://www.thomann.de/de/sennheiser_mke_666.htm
Antwort von Chewbacca:
this is the total hammer - I search for days and do not ...
bernd, you have me already on final-cut.de helpful. so slowly I have a couple of times you bier rüberschicken ...
Antwort von Bernd E.:
bernd ... you have me already on final-cut.de helpful. so slowly I have a couple of times you bier rüberschicken ... Thank you for the noble offer, but final-cut.de kenn ich nicht mal ... Should there be a namesake of my Committee.
Antwort von shipoffools:
The microphones of you mentioned are certainly good and certainly better than the synonymous T-Bone EM9600 and EM9900.
The question is, what a guide on a micro camcorder ultimately synonymous with the best quality can deliver. A T-Bone Micro close to the sound source will ultimately be much better sound than a Rode, Sennheiser or Beyerdynamic Micro on the camcorder a few meters away of the sound source. No matter what dir it's Micro will be, I do not intend to it directly on my camcorder to plug. It is already as close as possible ran s.die sound source, either with a Tonangel or, if no Tonangler available on a second tripod. The Tripod method with my old Trikon-directional microphones (seems somehow the look and the technical data build on the same factory as the Audio Technica ATR55 to come ...) always brought good results, but these mics are now synonymous already well 15 years old. I have the last few years is no longer synonymous Camera s.der directly connected, but via an extra mixer in an MD-recorder running. The MCE 72 for Atmo the time I never directly on the Cam, when I would drive the HV30 because of noise synonymous fatal. whirrs ... you know, like a mosquito swarm. However, the Micro has a 2.5-m cable directly connected with the camcorder.
Even if the T.bones good results and are significantly cheaper, I tend to at the moment but Rode or Beyerdynamic. However, this Sennheiser set for 379 euros damned tempting. But for the price to get just now again two Rode NTG-2, and on short or long, I would like another two directional microphones growth.
... By the way thank s.alle times for the different notes!
...
The MCE 86 S is currently my bread and butter directional micro. It is well suited for indoor and outdoor shots. the latter is, however, a windbreak duty, and thus is a real Fellwindschutz meant, ie a softy of Rycote. Otherwise Windgeräuscht not be avoided. This is true for the rest of all three mics.
Beyer Dynamics has a few years ago and operated nursing model the MCE 86 S II was released. I had to test it there. The increased sensitivity does not, however, with a better signal / noise ratio associated. Will hot, recorded sound sources are louder, the noise of the microphone but synonymous.
The MCE 86 S and the MCE 86 S II are in my experience, not for recording very quiet sounds (eg, natural, animal documentaries, etc.) ...
Windschutzfell in outdoor scenes is actually clear, I have so often been synonymous practiced when I was not too lazy grad was the cat out of the bag to get ...
That with the noise seems to be the Beyerdynamic microphones as a "little illness" to be. Also my MCE 72 has a clearly audible noise. The good sound quality of the microphones and the fact that I actually synonymous only to the Atmo use, but lets get over this point.
Greeting
shipoffools
Antwort von Chewbacca:
You write:
However, this Sennheiser set for 379 euros damned tempting. But for the price to get just now again two Rode NTG-2, and on short or long, I would like another two directional microphones growth.
Why do not you compare both s.and the sound? For me it was absolutely clear then that I wanted to Sennheiser. You will be synonymous, however, a lot of people find the NTG 2 "warmer" place. I personally find it "dull" and "noisy" than the Sennheiser. But the total comes to the sounds s.die you want ...
Antwort von shipoffools:
Why do not you compare both s.and the sound? For me it was absolutely clear then that I wanted to Sennheiser. You will be synonymous, however, a lot of people find the NTG 2 "warmer" place. I personally find it "dull" and "noisy" than the Sennheiser. But the total comes to the sounds s.die you want ... I have now quiet times in the audio samples of "dvestore.com" listened, and am honest, after everything I have about the Rode NTG-2 had read quite disappointed of this Microphone. The self-noise part this is simply unacceptable. There are even my 15-year-old low-cost directional microphones even better. They were just so the cost DM 150 and are now quite aged ... In direct comparison, there is the Sennheiser ME 66 clear winner. However, synonymous with the Micro Headphones is still a clear perceptible noise. Would of course have a direct comparison of the Beyerdynamic MCE 86 under the same conditions have been interesting. Synonymous'm not quite sure whether the noise that is there for all tested Mikros inaudible, really, to the extent of the microphone itself, or whether the sound quality on the compression of files for the Internet has suffered. Listening to the music samples on the Comparison of "kenstone.net" (see above), it is the sound quality is much better (if the synonymous recording conditions there was a little unprofessional seem to be) and I think this is not just that there sometimes much more expensive microphones have been tested.
Conclusion: If the files were in order, separates the Rode NTG-2 for me actually already made.
Greeting
shipoffools
Antwort von Chewbacca:
the maker of the comparison indicate that the rush to participate by taking synonymous with an HV20 was unable to. what for me but not a big difference between the individual microphones explained.
well, I just thomann at the k6/me66 set for 379, - ordered. The parts for 500, - I send back. Zig Hopefully not. The rule of s.telefon thomann was quite surprised that they set about to offer ...
Antwort von Meggs:
I have now quiet times in the audio samples of "dvestore.com" listened, and am honest, after everything I have about the Rode NTG-2 had read quite disappointed of this Microphone. The self-noise part this is simply unacceptable. There are even my 15-year-old low-cost directional microphones even better. Whether it is self-noise, one can in such a test does not assess. Perhaps the real space sounds on the Micro sensitive response. Perhaps it provides a weaker level synonymous, and you hear the noise of the preamplifier used. The assessment of the microphone from the total samples is synonymous difficult. It may be that the result in a man's voice would have a different look at Atmos Music or even more so.
I have 15 microphones. None of this is clearly the best. Depending on the situation sounds a times, sometimes the other better (for my taste).
Antwort von shipoffools:
Hello,
I have now finally the Sennheiser ME66 + K6P bought and can only say that the Microphone really met my expectations fully. I have it on multiple consoles and even tested with my presumed worst "part", the Behringer UBB1002, flawless results. I think especially with microphones will never regret it, if you slightly more money invested. However, I was of the original packaging of Sennheiser in which the ME 66 "it was" fairly angesäuert! No deposit or other foam padding, just in the MicroStation blank cardboard! Since I use the microphone directly on site at the dealer bought, I have demanded, whether a shipping or return was a joke. But according to the seller when there's already Sennheiser ME66 long time and no returns Sennheiser pack its products in general not very good. Lack of time compared to another piece of the large warehouse to wait for 299 EUR and I's finally taken it. And yes it works flawlessly as described. If Sennheiser really lousy pack (which I questioning), since there would be considerable need for rework. At the prices we should expect synonymous if the quality of the product justifies the prices.
Greeting
shipoffools
