Frage von herbie1:
I intend to me now a camcorder zuzulegen. It aims primarily to serve the kids to film, should not be too expensive, easy to operate and the video material on DVD s.Ende synonymous archivable be.
After some reading here in the forum I thought that the Panasonic NV-GS27 EG-S is a good choice (currently in the t-online shop for 209 ¬).
Is this for what I plan really is the best choice and how expensive are replacement batteries?
What benefits would the Panasonic NV-GS37 EG-S compared to the NV-GS27 EG-S so that the higher price of approximately ¬ 100 warrants.
Also, the market in which yesterday I viewed a few models have a Panasonic NV-GS60 on the Panasonic I have found no info for 289 ¬. Is better than the GS27?
Thank you for your help.
Antwort von tv-man_sh:
Hello,
to be honest, I would, if it comes for 300 EUR A MiniDV cam to buy (and you do not want to have HD), still prefer to lay out 200 EUR and for ne 3-chip digital take. The picture is always better, and an entry-level model (eg, Panasonic NV-GS 230) for 430 EUR already have. Stark is very light camcorder this price range but not all. You will gain something with more work. Only times for Comparison:
Panasonic NV-GS60:
- 1CCD (1 / 6 inch)
- Pixels: 800,000 (total), 400,000 (actually, 4:3)
- F1, 8 (W) - F3, 9 (T)
- Price about 240 EUR
Panasonic NV-GS230:
- 3CCD (1 / 6 inch)
- Pixel: 3x 800,000 (total); 3x 460,000 (effective; 16:9)
- F1, 8 (W) - F2, 8 (T)
- Price about 430 EUR
Genuine spare battery with 2100 mAh (no clone cells with Cheap!) For both models approximately 80 EUR.
The t-online-shop there sometimes seems to me quite expensive. Here, for example (as probably synonymous with many others) sometimes cheaper then gehts:
http://www.redcoon.de
There are synonymous the Panasonic models NV-GS 60 and NV-GS 500 plus accessories.
Perhaps yes synonymous times before a visit at Media Markt and Co. worth a consideration? Of course not to buy, but to the "games". It is not unlikely that one then there are some test models can be particularly synonymous terms 1CCD and 3CCD for itself a picture of the differences to make.
and the video material on DVD s.Ende synonymous archivable be Joa, goes with all models (Cam -> Firewire -> PC -> sensible software -> Burning).
Antwort von Daigoro:
Is this for what I plan really is the best choice and
Many people here in the forum would probably not be less than 1000 euros Camera touch, let alone recommend.
The class is 200 euros you, should you ever 'ambitious' to shoot, not really satisfying. *
But to the 'investment risk' small to keep, why not ne 200 Euro Camera. If you s.Shooting pleasure you will find you anyway something 'better' to purchase and if not - if ebay goes away almost anything - to partially outrageous prices.
how expensive are replacement batteries? Noname of Ebay for 10-20 Euros do's.
Batteries is synonymous nix what one every 2 months on new purchases. I've got a total of 3 pieces (1 small by the Manufacturer for an hour makes schlapp, 2 'big' no-names to approximately 3 hours per battery hold) and a charger for external charging. I would buy new if the old or 1 / 2 of their performance or something, not before.
What benefits would the Panasonic NV-GS37 EG-S compared to the NV-GS27 EG-S so that the higher price of approximately ¬ 100 warrants. According to Panasonic website, the 37er the 27er primarily advance the following:
USB cable, software CD-ROM, Infrared Remote Control (naja), video light (probably eh ne FUNZEL much too weak, you only need the battery power moving), color (ie, in addition to the display .. naja .. in Color Viewfinder is not necessarily synonymous ).
So everything is not really essential.
Also, the market in which yesterday I viewed a few models have a Panasonic NV-GS60 on the Panasonic I have found no info for 289 ¬. Is better than the GS27?
If this is not the successor of 27/37er?
Seems of the data here is not really better.
450-500 Euros then you better get with the GS180 (or successor to 230) or the Canon MVX ... .. schiessmichtot.
*) Ps
Just go look at NEN loading a good selection s.Kameras dahat and look at the parts in direct comparison to.
I found the grad cheap cameras (no preference what brand) are-quite independently of the recording quality-pretty 'cheap' in a direct comparison to the next price category. Since everything is somehow pfriemliger, klappriger, popliger, unfavorable (cassette compartment opens downwards bäh .. .. Hand Strap s.der klapprigen cassette compartment cover fastened bäh etc. ..).
If you registered at the first evaluation not really bother, to inter. How often you use your camera and whether it is your money really 'worth', can you say None. If 3x over the year was' mitfilmt ',' worth ', the 1000 Euro camera, even at 10x better quality maybe is not really a subjective view. When looking at the camera but then at some point always and everywhere dabeihat, nervt s.der 200 Euro Camera everything.
Antwort von herbie1:
Thank you for your contributions.
actually, I had the approach is a hard Cam for up to 500 ¬ to buy. Then I read here, but that mini-DV much more mature and better to work (AVI to Mini-DV and Mpeg2 on).
Since I have an analog synonymous and absolutely not the ambitious filmmaker, I have thought that a cam for 200 ¬ for my needs (and children's films of the holiday) a sufficient and I think it's not more than 500 ¬, for example, for a hard Cam output wants. (First)
What I just want to make sure is that I have 300 ¬ for a much better get Cam.
Therefore, the Panasonic NV-GS27 but until now, under the above criteria is a good choice, right?
Antwort von Daigoro:
What I just want to make sure is that I have 300 ¬ for a much better get Cam. Better than the analog camera or a better than a $ 200 MiniDV?
I think (depending on what for an analog camera that is)-both-for more questionable.
"Much better" garnicht already. Cameras in the price category are ... Toys.
I would rather save the money and time in the near future in HDV invest.
Antwort von herbie1:
Better than the Mini-DV. For my analog Sonyist eh Battery of the flat.
Antwort von Daigoro:
Better than the Mini-DV. For my analog Sonyist eh Battery of the flat. So after the Datasheets are there for 100 Euros rather more (but not necessarily interesting to the film) 'Extra Features' as a better recording technique.
Batteries are cheap at Ebay's and the analog video (Hi8?) You can from professionals can digitize (the small size so quickly, because s.liebsten all times wants to keep movie, only to later embarrassing enough material to blackmail one of the joints Teenagers have turned to;). It seems the image of quality synonymous not grottiger than the cheap digital cameras - rather better?
Antwort von Bernd E.:
I would rather save the money and time in the near future in HDV invest. Even if the Manufacturer persuade us otherwise want: You can still very well without HDV require, especially if you are not ambitious film is only occasionally and the family wants to include. For the purpose of herbie1 targeted and the proposed budget seems to me the NV-GS27 is a good choice.
If it turns out that the video is very great hobby, you can in one, two or more years still (and certainly much cheaper) on the HDV-train burst - or what format it is also propagated.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von Daigoro:
Even if the Manufacturer persuade us otherwise want: You can still very well without HDV require, especially if you are not ambitious film is only occasionally and the family wants to include. I see so synonymous. With the 'near future' was synonymous rather 1-2 years (ie approximately 10-20 model change;) meant.
(edit: Quite apart from the fact that for "sports" (ie small football or ballet film?) here occasionally criticized me recently, is only at some its HD broadcast the documentary with "Handycam" have been rotated since been .. a wall with lots of photos and filmed and then steered it came before the drunk-Schaerfeverluste and compression artifacts in fast motion or panning a rather unbecoming picture in comparison to 'quite normal DV' has.)
For the purpose of herbie1 targeted and the proposed budget seems to me the NV-GS27 is a good choice.
If it turns out that the video is very great hobby, you can in one, two or more years still (and certainly much cheaper) ... As Herbie still an unspecified "Sony analog camera", you can step over the NV-GS27 my opinion even omit. Yes he can shoot anyway and so thrilling are the low-end devices are not really.
Antwort von herbie1:
Thank you for your answers.
My Sonyist analog video H8 CCD-TR810E. If only something big (low acceptance by my wife) and the burn to DVD is a bit difficult and lengthy.
Antwort von Jan:
Is this for what I plan really is the best choice
Is a new MiniDV eh not visible (especially if he is not next to other Cam meticulously compares) whether he has a Canon MV 900 / MD 110, SonyHC 23 / 27 or Panasonic GS 27 / 60 - the easiest class stop with the 3 best companies.
It could be for Canon's advanced exactly 16 / 9 mode, the better stabilizer, microphone input, the better photograph plead slumber, just like her disciples Sony NightShot Lowlight night program without bucking hervorjubeln, faster AF, nice ideas like Point Focus & Exposure (Sharpen and exposure setting on getipte the object), its Easy program, their 2 Rec & Zoom (HC 23) and the supplied software (HC 23).
What benefits would the Panasonic NV-GS37 EG-S compared to the NV-GS27 EG-S so that the higher price of approximately ¬ 100 warrants.
There is still the high-speed USB 2.0 connection with the purely theoretical
With the included software in full quality can be transferred.
A model is not what I would recommend you prefer GS 180 / 230
Also, the market in which yesterday I viewed a few models have a Panasonic NV-GS60 on the Panasonic I have found no info for 289 ¬. Is better than the GS27?
Color is new and a slightly improved quality Lowlight
and the burn to DVD is a bit difficult and lengthy. This is a GS 27 with synonymous not much better (faster), at least with a PC / Mac. tape must be run, DV AVI to MPEG 2, MPEG 4 GB DVD burn 2 to pass because a few were synonymous ...
At least only burn to DVD would have a camcorder SonyHDD ahead, about 10 minutes playing time, MPEG 2, it is already and will still burn and with the press of a button s.der Camera / Docking Station for Easy DVD Burning with the included software.
Whether the new GS 27 A photograph sleep better than the Sony 810er power, I would doubt it. I think not that the 810er was 420 DM was .....
VG
Jan
Antwort von dotterbart:
Thank you for the detailed answers.
Perhaps I should present the analogue of the defective battery Sonyersetzen.
Since I planned to the movies on the PC to edit and on DVD for archiving, it is probably better after a hard Cam, or DVD-Cam to keep looking.
Have you given in an area of 300 ¬ - 400 ¬ or recommendations, it is better to wait a bit?
Antwort von Daigoro:
Since I planned to the movies on the PC to edit and on DVD for archiving, it is probably better after a hard Cam, or DVD-Cam to keep looking.
I would for archiving, if this stuff longer than 10 years which will suck, no self-DVDs assume.
My mother has about 30 years ago recordings of me and my sister to 'normal cheap cassettes' done (as with children's and poetry and babble and so ..). The man can still play.
My self-CDs and DVDs are on the other hand, sad picture. Since the first fall after just one year of "intensive use" (not even cars or so, just in the stereo / DVD player) 1 / 5 to 1 / 4 and is made unhoer / unsehbar.
See synonymous: http://www.slashcam.de/info/Haltbarkeit-Mini- ----- DVD DV-1014117. Html
Antwort von Jan:
Since I planned to the movies on the PC to edit and on DVD for archiving, it is probably better after a hard Cam, or DVD-Cam to keep looking.
No, I did not mean. You come with faster HDD camcorders to DVD, unless you take the variant DVD Recorder with DV In and a MiniDV camera.
If you like the software supplied with DVD & HDD camcorders is not sufficient (in most cases only simple separation and interaction Lowers function) you need a little more precisely the products on the market view, Programs like before 2 years have big problems to process the data, which was even to the point 1 of the old Consumer Magix 2006th
The good companies (Magic, Pinnacle and Ulead, or Adobe) have been prepared and may be more or less secure HDD and DVD camcorders good data processing.
With MiniDV you can even "free" Programs such as I Move or Windows Movie Maker uses to play on & edit MPEG 2 compression & Burn can now make many of Nero-eh what almost everyone has at home.
With DVD camcorders, you can get plenty of anger, I now count the 10 pitfalls not again, before the other user Slashcam sleep.
If so then one should be SonyDVD 109 - the new, I would not take old 105er, 109er some advantages to the 105er
- Same menu, arranged as in the Class 1000 ¬ (5.7 HC, SR 1)
- Improved Wide Anglebei of the 37 mm focal
- USB Port + easy separation software
- Microphone top - better to wind noise of the front
- Double Layer + R capable - so get more than 20 minutes at best quality to fit Page ....
Waiting does not make sense, because all the big companies have presented their models, or in 2-3 weeks to do so. HDD camcorder for 300 ¬ this year it will still not give SonySR 30 / 32 or Panasonic SDR H 20 are the most interesting entry-level HDD, with the latter probably to 95% will make the race, not only because of the optical stabilizer - one could say the "Allroad" camcorder ...
VG
Jan
