Frage von Sybex:
Hello,
Christmas is very unusual for me, so I now want to defenitiv me buy a laptop. For mobile DV editing (needs a lot with the train).
On the notebook, I would like to premiere it run. Although I was told I can I have a macbook pro will help, but where's the difference? If I do not prefer to use a Windows laptop geiles pick for 2500 euros? What is the difference between Windows notebooks and MacBooks?
And to Purchase: Where do I actually still a student discount?
Mactrade When do I get 2% - and the Apple Store is, I think, very expensive.
Are there comparable PC notebooks for 2500 as an Apple notebook for 2500 euros?
Bin a long time now in search results.
Mfg.
Simon
Antwort von PowerMac:
You were apparently not very mentally active in your quest.
If you google for quite daring "apple student discount" eingäbest, would you be surprised.
There are various types of companies s.Apple products to come. Ebay is not like this. There are student discounts as grave, but they take nothing. The Dealers are simply too expensive. Use my tips and benefits. You can do so easily 500, 600 Euro sparen. Quasi my "editorial" Christmas gift.
1) There is AOC - Apple on Campus. Special differently with Apple negotiated higher rates for each university. (http://www.apple.com/de/aoc/). 10-12% discount.
2) Apple Education Store. 6-8% discount on everything for students. (http://store.apple.com/Apple/WebObjects/deInd).
3) UNIMALL. Online Dealers, which cooperates with Apple. Typically around 10% discount. Very often there are activities such as free iPods, DVB-T receiver, bags, printer and laptop bags to each Betellung them. For example, the beginning of semester, there was an iPod for 160 euros, a DVB-T receiver and a printer for every order for free. (http://www.unimall.de)
4) ADC discount. One can for 79 euros at Apple as a software developer to register. To get the car to 12-18% discount. However, only once every two years to buy hardware. (https: / / connect.apple.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/MemberSite.woa/309/wo/MY4tsH0YnCsb2vqrbl71stiPsA2/0.0)
5) Apple Refurbished Store. Quasi overhauled of Apple products directly. You have a normal one-year warranty and very often new goods, the cheap rausgeblasen be made when new products. (20-35% off!). From s.vielleicht and light scratches, but why "refurbished". Very often you get the extra RAM or a larger plate for free. (I got 2 GB of RAM instead of 512 MB accidentally.) Discount coupons combined with incredibly cheap! (http://store.apple.com/Apple/WebObjects/germanstore?family=Certified)
5) Discount Vouchers at the Apple Store. There are currently preparing a 81 Euro discount coupon rate on the Refurbished Store angwendet be. At the end of the order you can enter. In order to get a MacBook, for example, for 744 euros or 770 euros an iMac. Present to 31.12. 81 Euro discount valid: (IPM9ZXAV9Z)
6) Macatcampus / Macatschool. Online Dealers. To the 10% discount. Provide effective warranty extensions. Should you refrain to pay you the 35 euro penalty. (http://www.macatcampus.com/)
Antwort von PowerMac:
Oh yes: Premiere forget, if you seriously want to work and professionally. Any to MacBook Pro and Final Cut Studio for students. This is much better and more professional than Premiere and Windows.
Here you have a great offer (MacBook PRO 15.4 "with 2 GHz !!!!) for Euro 1270. Comparison with the times Windows laptops.
Antwort von Bernieman:
Oh yes: Premiere forget, if you seriously want to work and professionally. This is much better and more professional than Premiere and Windows.
s.mann powermäc, elitist dummplausch is not better just because it is constantly repeated. Since when is professional work as necessarily connected with the tool?
A good Mason is with the blunt chisel work better than the awards with the beater head.
Antwort von PowerMac:
You can contact me again. Of course the quality is measured solely and alone s.der quality of the cutter. And every good cutter is synonymous with sticky tape and scissors cut great films. Blabla. And what in the forest schallt so schallt it back ... Den Scheiss repeat all the time. None can check synonymous not interested. It is about the tool. And Final Cut Studio is the better tool. Why because it is difficult to make in life and with a bad (re) n "tools" to work?
Antwort von Bernieman:
You can contact me again. I would like for my life, so happy, but I would probably have just as much fun as you s.Dir with Premiere.
Antwort von Kameramann:
Oh yes: Premiere forget, if you seriously want to work and professionally. Any to MacBook Pro and Final Cut Studio for students. This is much better and more professional than Premiere and Windows.
Here you have a great offer (MacBook PRO 15.4 "with 2 GHz !!!!) for Euro 1270. Comparison with the times Windows laptops. LOL, what a nonsense again .... Why are all because Apple evangelists so demagogically?
This unsubstantiated Potenzprotzerei you can, you can not really convince anyone. Think over it to.
Antwort von PowerMac:
Yes, I will now think about it. I say about it when I'm finished. Done. Final Cut Studio in conjunction with a Mac is better than Premiere for Windows.
Antwort von Rumpelstilz:
Final Cut Studio in conjunction with a Mac is better than Premiere for Windows. greinte he stapfte still-defiant twice with small Stieflein on
and disappeared quietly sobbing in the cold Kämmerlein.
Antwort von Phil Bates:
I've always wondered how old the Lord Mac really is. These statements come to suspect that Mr. Mac still in the middle of puberty is stressful - that would explain a lot and now I have full sympathy for the poor apple males.
Antwort von PowerMac:
Vs. PowerMac. four guests ...
Seriously, I'm 16 and have recently played with my tail. Because I'm so evil ... uh Mac was.
Antwort von Axel:
LOL, what a nonsense again .... Why are all because Apple evangelists so demagogically?
This unsubstantiated Potenzprotzerei you can, you can not really convince anyone. Think over it to. The anonymous postings before me on the other hand, should be objective?
Okay, who `NEN Mac, will recommend him. Anyone who has worked with both, only at home but a PC is, is out of loyalty and humility to say: "Oh, you can work with both." (said the mason with the blunt chisel)
Lens seen is Final Cut Pro is the better software. If you 2500 ¬, should the hardware choice then synonymous not so hard.
Antwort von Bernieman:
[quote = "PowerMac"] vs. PowerMac. four guests ...
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small children who has experienced every day in the sandbox. Once the largest Stänkerer of the other time a shovel sand over the head gets the start s.zu Plärrer. Mama comes quite quickly Rotzlöffel comfort. The mom says Axel here is quite ok
Antwort von Flashlight:
Very amusing this dialogue here.
When it calms you - the same discussion, there is almost every day in a relevant forum for Recording. It says Mac vs. synonymous. PC, but then against Cubase Logic. The Äppler find themselves always on the "Advanced Page" because (historically) Apple fixed its place in many studios in the world has. However, there are on the 'other' Page numerous professional musicians, with Cubase, Ableton, Cakewalk, etc. on the same PC Page synonymous professional hits and write (the names can even find out)
I think everyone should his crate with his program and be happy. What really s.den defacto-fetched is the claim x
is better than y. That is really kindergarten (sandbox?;) And it has this forum knows God not necessary.
Many greetings of Flash.
Antwort von go4java:
http://www.unimall.de/produkte,weiteredetails,apple,45-512,af39466be59f4d5c148ced520179b5fe.html
I am now about - then vllt. Apple Final Cut switch (which is worth?) Or. synonymous as well known as Premiere or Avid?
Another question I could answer None:
Where's the big difference between Mac and PC? What are the advantages and the disadvantages?
Simon
Antwort von Eva Maier:
A major factor likely to be that Apple has a 68000 processor using the improved graphics properties For this and of the relevant papers for desktop publishing purposes.
Similarly, it was in the 50s with Nikon
Meanwhile, however, is synonymous zb the Süddeutsche Zeitung partially converted to Windows, the difference seems to be not too large mrhr be Uncontested still remains that Apple is a graphics system.
/ Eve
Antwort von Bernd E.:
Final Cut ... synonymous as well known as Premiere or Avid? At least not entirely unknown ;-) Simply put: The more professional working environment and the higher the claims, the premiere is rare and more often used Final Cut Pro (increasingly popular because enormously powerful and inexpensive), or Avid (yet traditionally strong).
Where's the big difference between Mac and PC? What are the advantages and the disadvantages? To clarify this issue were not only bitter religious wars in forums, magazines and s.Stammtischen led synonymous but many written articles. Just try Google and you'll find - in great detail mainly of American authors - a lot of comparisons. What you ultimately do better and what your way of working is rather contrary, for only then can you decide.
For a first glance you can look at the so synonymous with a wink made Apple commercials here:
www.apple.com / getamac
The are no logically neutral information, but bring something very good to the point. And originally, they are all done.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von wolferl69:
Hello,
I have only thought to use Avid, but then I found out - not yet supported Avid MacBooks Pro - true?
Supposedly only 02.2007.
Is Final Cut of a kind of trial?
Antwort von Elch_111:
Is Final Cut of a kind of trial? No..
Antwort von Chezus:
Will now do not open new thread and this thread is just to the topic which I am currently employed:
MacPro or any other non-Apple system.
Macbook or on the go.
I come with Premiere is a very good deal and therefore I would be interested in: Why is Final Cut so better than the premiere and Production Studion (if it has)?
That it is better to say yes but was not exactly unfounded. I go mainly to the workflow.
For MacPro: 2500 euros to spend for a MacPro with Intel Xeon and 1 GB Ram or a similar money-Quad, 2 GB RAM 1 TB hard drive and 2 TFTs?
What justifies the price of the MacPro? Works of such effective than any Windows machine even though only 1gig ram is? Or do I have only 3000 euros in the MacPro purely so that the plug is running properly?
I hope that you, Powermac, sometimes it be da du mir ja in another thread your advice did (then went to the HVX).
The Macbook pro is I noticed: 1290 euro is not much, but it is quite an Mac and processed without VAT.
If the thread starter is not a business man he may deduct it unlikely.
And prepared for me the very promise macrabatt
Antwort von PowerMac:
Show me a similar dual dual-core Xeon, which is cheaper than the Mac Pro! The 4x Xeon is fast and easy deuced costs just synonymous in the PC world Money. Get ready for a Mac Pro "live" view? The thing has geilste processing, I know. Rugged aluminum. Quiet, looks cool and is made super easy to expand. Has all the interfaces that you need. Gigabit Ethernet, Firewire 800 ... You can just remove the Page. I think there is no "value" calculator than the Mac Pro. Even the architecture with the 4x Xeon (8 Core soon synonymous) is good. That you pay with HP / Dell similar. Only the not so cool and well designed.
It is also quite extensible (with the appropriate extension or more) fit many plates clean. Also, uncompressed HD is possible. That's the difference between "professional" and "amateurish". Look at the thing in real time s.and let you perform. Synonymous way you can install Windows on it and have a normal, fast Windows PC. You can however synonymous parallel with Windows on OS X with nearly normal-speed run. Or synonymous Windows without Windows Programs directly (via Wine: synonymous games) in OS X to run. This is synonymous for Linux Matters. But I want you not persuade Mac Pro. A Mac mini or an iMac are synonymous in order. I and others here (for example, Axel), all with a 20 "iMac Core-Duo2. It has been synonymous tidy performance, looks great, is quiet and in conjunction with Final Cut Pro damn fast. The best times in a Macladen (z . B. Gravis / Saturn / Media Markt) live view. This is synonymous for the MacBooks. They're just deuced thin, aluminum, stylish and rugged at the same time. Have keyboard lighting, MacSafe-power connector (if you fall on the power, it can auto off, because only via magnetic backed), the battery indicator below, the effect is of a piece and have not thousands Fummel buttons and glowing LEDs, but a good design! LIVE chart. It has its reason that Apple currently siuch each quarter even surpasses. Those things look good, are good and fast and just sell accordingly. And they are just not that much more expensive, as is always said. doofes This is a prejudice. Amenities Comparison times and price with other PC notebooks. The usually have a horrible design, weighing 40 KG and are not even cheaper. Comparison times but in the Saturn (in Karlsruhe, 17 are issued Macs). So you can see the difference. For OS X, I would not so much advertising. That in all tests is better than Windows (Vista) wegkommt should be nothing new. Benefits: stable UNIX core (yes, you may as synonymous with Linux rumpfuschen and has all the Unix Programs and Tools), a cool and intuitive interface, in my opinion, much more accessible and human than for Windows. To save me time every day, because I am not foolish must browse. You need never again Norton and antivirus tools, firewalls and no stupid one thousand Windows security messages, you first all wegklicken need. things like the registry or bios there is no more. In the past he and practically necessary? No longer with the Mac. On the mac there is synonymous the Spotlight search. A fleet metadata search. Read all the documents and submit to Indizees. Looking for a letter that you've written s.deine Grandma, know the name but not anymore? Just the top right of the Spotlight window "grandma" type and two seconds later, he has all (million), documents, letters, PDFs, emails, calendars, appointments and files and found your letter.
Tomorrow I write something about Final Cut Studio. Final Cut is not just an editing program, but a whole collection of good programs (Motion for compositing and animation), Soundtrack Pro Audio and Music composing, DVD Studio Pro as the best DVD authoring program under 15,000 euros (!) And several others such as Compressor (stack conversion of files). PC Compressor find friends always very cool and practical. Incidentally, I personally know very many people I've converted to Mac, which are totally happy with this. Back geswitched is None.
Antwort von PowerMac:
Oh yes: http://www.apple.com/getamac/
Antwort von noch ´n Gast:
Dear People,
I had actually thought I had it to do with professionals. At least I was able in recent months does not help that impression when it comes to the Videofilmerei went.
But when I noticed this discussion here, this was apparently a misconception.
Powermac around here a bit to strengthen the back: I hab'hier (equal) rumstehen a couple of Macs, however, G3, G4 and G5, as well as Final Cut Express and its Pana GS500 and GS180 and an old NV35DS. I earn my bread is "only" with making music and teaching, but I had the same discussion already synonymous with the ATARI experienced. He was always synonymous "brownish mass" for the mass of the PC user until they once had to see what you start with the box or could still may. When Mac is exactly the same. Only, I see myself as a professional, always hold the information collected, and then to decide what it s.besten appears. And if I have my results with those of colleagues see, I must always have a grin, because I agree with many problems of the Windows world does not know / have, and with my computers and the software (of course synonymous LogicPro) simply can operate without s.diesen to work.
And another small sideswipe s.Frau Meier: I should point out that there have been a few years (about ten, to be exact) with no MAC's 68000 processor anymore. First came the PowerPC's then the G-series, and now the Intel tuned on which Windows runs synonymous. For 'nen professionals we are pretty uninformed, right?
And for the colleague with the same operating system (MacOS X): Cheer up, each as it's s.besten found. The others already have it, otherwise, the connoisseur and enjoys silent!
Drum, Mr
Antwort von Eva Maier:
Sideswipe arrived
/ e
Antwort von WINnner:
Meine Fresse ....
"cool"
"professionally"
"deuced thin, aluminum, stylish and rugged at the same time"
"Good Design"
"look good, are good and fast"
Go here to JOOP-underpants?
Particular class, and listed again because of another off, full utterly wrong:
"Intuitive" I had my first MAC still quite naive and gullible with "easy to understand, self-translated.
The reality was sobering but * LOL *
Equally wrong is the "stable"
The Mac is after a crash may not be as unforgiving as a Windows PC.
That it never crashes, it is equally true as the Immaculate Conception.
Finder: Great thing, honestly.
But such a crude directory like OS you will not find at Gates, no preference whether Win95 or Vista, the explorer is you are missing, missing, missing.
A sheer disaster, the mouse control.
Generations of SWITCH, the hair torn imprecise whether the function pointer.
Did Äppel until today synonymous not get a grip.
And I did not myself until today to get used to.
Graphics editing with the mouse so I just s.PC!
What else?
Ah yes .... the quality:
Go look at "www.macuser.de" and enter in search of the forums just so "quality problems" one.
The 158 threads with several tens of thousands of postings are just a small part.
You can alternatively synonymous for "relieving letter
or "Help ... CD is not ejected" or "fan runs full speed only" search.
"totally happy with this" Whether you gegönnt.
Antwort von Axel:
"Intuitive"
I had my first MAC still quite naive and gullible with "easy to understand, self-translated.
The reality was sobering but * LOL * This does not mean that you no
logic in a Mac progresses. Much more often, but a Mac does what you want that he does (without any application for the entire manual to be read), because you just
logical Drag & Drop, the
logical Shortcut or just the
expected result.
How many musical or graphical applications you use because the famous
explorer? How can we make comparisons between systems cut when the other does not really know? The answer is: It can not. Therefore, if Final Cut Pro, Adobe or Avid, all a question of knowledge and resources.
Windows, however, everyone knows. Many are grown with Windows. Windows educates its users on the involuntary career bureaucratic thinking, if it does not create the office (the
explorer, what a name!). A lot of creative work from Windows and acquire a higher threshold of frustration. The police used Windows. Hospitals are using Windows only in the administration, because in the medical field (mainly Linux) are human lives at stake.
Is Windows more user friendly? Sure? Innovative?
As much as it is a dinosaur can be. We never forget that we are the old postal monopoly cable eventually owe.
Antwort von Eva Maier:
Hello Winner
But you would like to point out that since 01.08.04 a law on the protection of minorities.
/ E
Antwort von PowerMac:
How shits in the forest, so he trollt out.
Antwort von WINner:
So, I've yet to fully hit the cheeks .. :)
I am ...
@ Axel
The Mac is without doubt a top device for video editing.
Who exactly what it wants to do with the Mac has a good choice.
For surfing and email reichts then still synonymous.
But I would never advise someone completely converted.
Most programs, based on my computers in the company running, I get for the Mac is not much time for money and then certainly not in German.
With Win in the majority freeware.
The compatibility problems with Microsoft's stories, which are now once in the data exchange and payment standard.
Must be a non-fallen, you can not synonymous but wegbeten.
The Mac is in real life does not stop everyday ....
Antwort von DWUA:
Oh, PowerMac, do not so what!
We use both a regular and continuous systems.
And love them both, even at the same time!
But words on OSX 10.4.8. in conjunction with FC Studio 5.1.2
here in this thread to lose, would be
Pearls before swine cast.
Sincerely,
Antwort von PowerMac:
True! I work namely whether more of the very few problems and had no coffee breaks. So can not look everyday.
Antwort von Axel:
Must be a non-fallen, you can not synonymous but wegbeten.
The Mac is in real life does not stop everyday .... Oh yes! The real life (do not forget, sometimes one months leave from
Slashcam Forum to ...).
Nothing better explains why I am with windows that are in open windows, data, family trees, safety updates, and so have nothing to do wants. Where is because of the fun. I do me the world wide wide as I like.
Especially for a movie idea:
Second Life is the world's addiction, but only runs on Windows. Then plunge the world.
Antwort von dietercut:
Macbook Pro or Windows notebook extreme In principle, no matter entirely.
why? since both platforms use the same hardware, it is of the software available on both platforms and professional software are synonymous with this closer examination 99.9% stable ...
it is the right s.dem what you want and create the s.Funktionsumfang you the right system and the software allows to choose .. and exactly on this point is give both platforms and we do not use both ..
The peculiar pro and contra for both platforms stems from exactly the people who s.Mein House, My Car, My horse syndrome ..
Antwort von WINner:
The peculiar pro and contra for both platforms stems from exactly the people who s.Mein House, My Car, My horse syndrome .. Exactly.
Who needs Mac, buys a discussion and not about it.
Is just a calculator.
The others seem to have more of a problem to have.
There is a study of the typical Mac user fight.
Let's see if I still do.
Uiuiuihh .... because I can not really belong. : D
Did what of:
"I fahr Opel! Although nothing appears, but is still better!"
Antwort von dietercut:
The others seem to have more of a problem to have. they have all the same regardless which platform ..
begins with the cam and use the codec used s.and hears in the software used to ..
Premiere, Vegas, Edius, Avid, etc ... I always read mine is the best and everything else can not do and that is not mine and I can not but deal with skilful workflow Ätsch ... ... Lifetime destruction everything ..
I have iMovie HD movies better than those seen from the premiere or else have been cut because of Cutter's a film for container cut has .. It is seems's lifetime or destruction of the gurus here have nothing to do all day ... oh yes most of the night can only be creative .. but they are synonymous here at night and write them to their best, thickest, longest and fastest is ..
Antwort von Bernd E.:
In principle, no matter entirely. Right. And it is interesting to some users already may have on current Mac hardware and OSX as synonymous Windows running on a Windows-only Windows Calculator. Does each decide for themselves what is "everyday" is.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von usul:
And it is interesting to some users already may have on current Mac hardware and OSX as synonymous Windows running on a Windows-only Windows Calculator. And get to the "running" synonymous a few restrictions have to do. The fact that the thing only has one mouse button is required for useful work under Windows necessarily an external mouse. Maybe many people do not disturb, but I train for example, no external mouse around. In this sense, the MacBooks are not optimal, at least for Windows users.
Antwort von dietercut:
it is interesting to some users already may have on current Mac hardware and OSX as synonymous Windows running on a Windows-only Windows Calculator. Does each decide for themselves what is "everyday" is.
Gruß Bernd E. Yes.
But you have to honestly say that a Mac with the touch of a button on Windows can be moved.
The device is designed for normalbedarften user who just work with the box will hardly lift.
In any case, using "Boot Camp" that I brought only anger.
At that time I then synonymous further experiments with two operating on a calculator drangegeben.
It may be that it is now easier.
At today's prices for a semi-video equipment for the postprocessing should be a small Mac with FCE, which only is used, no longer a co-criterion.
Everything else should I do with Windows and a light (where there are actually 40 kilos notebooks?) Medion laptop.
Since then there are synonymous, external hard drive, thankfully, and "Acronis" crashes with no Probs.
And all this Mac for half-price.
Antwort von bjoerni:
I recently changed to the iMac, and as a former Windoze user, I had obviously just s.das new system used.
Okay, there is no obvious BIOS on the Mac. But the Mac has a "firmware", which is certainly the same tasks as BIOS met (somehow must Finally synonymous booting the Mac). Also for the Mac firmware, there is of Apple updates, similar to PC mainboard manufacturer synonymous BIOS updates for their boards to offer.
On Mac there is no BIOS setup in which I have to boot the system can reach. There, under the Control Panel options that affect the firmware (eg to the system at certain times anzuschalten).
With the surface of the Mac I am now well clear, and I like it better than synonymous under windoze. What bothers me however is that the characters' \ 'for backslash and' | 'to pipe on the Mac keyboard just are not labeled. Especially on Mac OS X that would be useful to UNIX commands. The keys for these characters I had so erstmal ergoogeln.
On the issue of DV editing on the Mac, I am currently in the process myself with Final Cut Express, either. Before I was a first user on the PC and now have a positive impression of FCE what the workflow is concerned. The surface is made more intuitive for me than for Premiere.
So, enough mustard for today ..
Antwort von TheDrummer:
Hi, folks!
I was for many years Windows users (ca.12 years).
Initially I cut with Pinnacle Studio, which sometimes caused problems (crashes during render)
With increasing experience, I saddled on Premiere, then on to Premiere Pro.
Premiere Pro does not just ran on my AMD-Calculator (because it requires SSE) and the computer (1GHz, 1GB) was miserably slow weßhalb me a new (3GHz, 2GB) purchased.
So far so good. It initially worked flawlessly (except for the fact that windows in general is always slower the longer it runs - but that's another story ...)
When I then 2 weeks (8 / 5) - ie about 80h s.einem cut video had crashed the PC when saving from.
I had added to the auto-save backup copies made COURSE (approximately every 2 hours).
PC rebooted, started programs, opened file backup .....
Way.
ALL THE WAY!
strange ...
rebooted - next backup open - same again.
has given me but the first backup copies all destroyed!
The work of 80h was the devil.
Then I reinstalled Premiere and he recognized the first 5 files were credible, I's.
ok - that is about 10h of work saved.
again about 1 WHERE geschnitten - Concept ... yes, I had no problem
(I'm a patient man synonymous ..)
BUT THEN AS THE =!"§/($)(/%§ PC to crash and show the same symptoms - wars "of fun with da".
That was the reason why I am switched to the MAC - and I think you can understand ....
I do not want to say that the MAC does not crash - is me in the
2 years synonymous already 4x happens - but at least the files are not corrupted! (or can be repaired again, thanks to HFS +)
besides that, the works for about 2 weeks "switching time"
(because you have XP shortcuts inside and the Finder are not yet properly abgecheckt)
1. quiet (very quiet = APPLE machines)
2. stable (as I said: 4 crashes in almost 2 years continuous operation)
3. WORK (no idea of wasting s.System)
is!
Yesterday I have the laptop set up my new Mum - say and write 4h with all XP service packs, updates, virus scanner and firewall.
So you can not really work with because no SW.
On my PowerBook G4 has the "new up" WITH Partitioning
only 30min. time. There's iLife, NeoOffice, Mail, Safari, .. course already - that is ready-made for werken!
(which for me was not a purchase argument, but it is a nice side effect!)
Basically you will find EVERYTHING for the MAC in the network / trade!
only CAD Programs or Programs cheap architecture, you will rarely to never find!
@ bjoerni
the lack of keyboard lettering is in my opinion the biggest drawback. Is perhaps in a MacBook is not easy to improve, but you can s.MacPro any keyboard - so if someone REALLY bothers that he has 2 notes shortcuts ....
as far as my remarks for today - yes, perhaps helping in the decision ...
MfG
Robert
PS: if you decide on a MAC, lass dir of an "old pros" give a little introduction - I had no one who really know and have 2 weeks - my fellow students, I had everything in 2 hours and said he already works 2 days already as a King;)
Antwort von WINner:
Basically you will find EVERYTHING for the MAC in the network / trade! No..
Even as a recurring rumor.
Neither gives a clever viewer for photo applications (Win> Irfan> Freeware), still a functioning audio recorders (Win> many as freeware)
For account management looks very bad:
My "Star Money" there just for OS, as the ingenious "Quicken", according to distributors not synonymous in the distant future.
The Finanzprogs for the Mac are in fact rubbish and are therefore hardly synonymous commercially.
You must be pretty suffering, to a Mac as "One for all" should be.
That I prefer to leave the fetishists here in the forum to which factual arguments anyway do not have access.
My tip s.den Simon:
Videobearbeten you like to purchase a MAC with FCE and in any case, keep your Windows box for the rest
Makes you life easier and keep your Mac to work clean.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
Even as a recurring rumor. Neither gives a clever viewer for photo applications ... still a functioning audio recorder So I think much more of a rumor that there are these two programs for the Mac does not give ;-)
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von Axel:
You must be pretty suffering, to a Mac as "One for all" should be.
That I prefer to leave the fetishists here in the forum to which factual arguments anyway do not have access. Neither is anyone in the service in the service Jobs'noch Gates' (genitive apostrophe admissible if the proper name to "s" ending), synonymous if the impression could arise. At a sentencing are thesis and antithesis (defense and prosecution) of its unilateral nature, what name such as a prosecutor than
fetishists can seem excessive. This thread is in comparison to earlier compared with the system as a topic quite factual. What availed it to the questioner, when all the posters into self-censorship practiced so that each has to answer for a
balanced-as both would-synonymous?
Antwort von dietercut:
Winner @
did you seriously because times with software for the Mac apart?
- A viewer is already included in iPhoto
- Audio Recorder -> Audacity
HBCI for online banking, I have before on my Windoze WISO money used, now I use BankX. BankX has a super-simple interface and is working on a plugin prima HBCI with my readers together.
My Conclusion: who is from the windoze world must rethink what the software selection is concerned, but so far I have any concerns for a software found. There are many smaller players, the software exclusively for the Mac offer (eg boinx).
Antwort von TheDrummer:
No..
Even as a recurring rumor.
Neither gives a clever viewer for photo applications have a functioning audio recorder
For account management looks very bad:
The Finanzprogs for the Mac are in fact rubbish and are therefore hardly synonymous commercially.
everything I had thought s.Anfang synonymous, because I've found nothing ...
there are really almost everything - and synonymous freeware, if you want!
this problem but it has is that you do not know how hot Programs.
If you look at smart but makes (such as forums, friends, ..) is not a problem and one has in a short time 3 Programs for the purpose found ...
As I said: you is not getting EVERYTHING - that you can then yes jungle WinXP (via Parallels or Boot Camp)
thus it does not PC anymore.
PS: the APPLE synonymous TouchPad can right-click (2 fingers on touchpad and normal click) - a small tool that is installed in the nu. - Without rebooting;)
Antwort von PowerMac:
I would win (its) not too believe polemizes with the old prejudices (which never really were). I would not be my decision sort of addictive. Lieber times a cutter when working in Final Cut Pro s.Mac watch. Then you can see the workflow and the system.
On apple.com, there are some very rich experiences of professional editors. For example, of "The Edukators":
http://www.apple.com/de/pro/video/weingartner/
Pro7 Austria: http://www.apple.com/de/pro/video/pulstv/
RTL Formel 1 / ZDF Tour de France and dozens more: http://www.apple.com/de/pro/profiles/
Please remember this Page! Very many artists tell because of their Arbeitswese through the workflow.
Antwort von usul:
PS: the APPLE synonymous TouchPad can right-click (2 fingers on touchpad and normal click) - a small tool that is installed in the nu. - Without rebooting;) But whether this really is an intuitive handling?
The lack of second (and third) mouse button s.Mac was synonymous for me a reason, my Mac back the company. I personally would not immediately buy a Mac again.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
The lack of second (and third) mouse button s.Mac was synonymous for me a reason, my Mac back the company. I personally would not immediately buy a Mac again. That's okay, everybody has to see what he s.besten cope, and there are alternatives. However, I have this "problem" solved for me otherwise: PowerMac will depend on just a mouse with three buttons, and if I'm only the iBook without a mouse dabeihabe, then replaces the ctrl + click button to right click.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von Axel:
But whether this really is an intuitive handling?
The lack of second (and third) mouse button s.Mac was synonymous for me a reason, my Mac back the company. I personally would not immediately buy a Mac again. Already a while ago, what? Since about 2 years, the
Pro Mouse is no longer shipped, only the 3-button
Mighty Mouse Scroll Ball. And even then there was the alternative to send a
Logitec mouse, Books for just the TouchPad. Therefore a calculator repel?
On the subject of intuitive handling: Only with Windows Vista is a real dock, which is already in OSX since 6? 7? Years, with Leopard, we are already on multiple desktops, depending on the user or role by pressing a function key, programmable mouse button or switch can be active corner. I remember how much my colleague mocked on the dock, wait times, as the verdict fails when Windows users to fully exploit learn.
Antwort von usul:
Already a while ago, what? Since about 2 years, the Pro Mouse is no longer shipped, only the 3-button Mighty Mouse Scroll Ball. And even then there was the alternative to send a Logitec mouse, Books for just the TouchPad. Therefore a calculator repel? On the laptop I did not train nor an external mouse around. And even the current MacBook Pro has a single button mouse: (
War as I said only one of many reasons.
On the subject of intuitive handling: Only with Windows Vista is a real dock, which is already in OSX since 6? 7? Years, with Leopard, we are already on multiple desktops, depending on the user or role by pressing a function key, programmable mouse button or switch can be active corner. And I have to say: Unfortunately, now synonymous in the Windows World feed. Many of the "fabulous" Mac things I found rather pointless. Why semitransparent window and dock needs, I still do not. Multiple desktops can be found at the CDE with UNIX since the early 90s, I used the stuff for years no longer work. To that extent, I wonder every now and why Microsoft any gimmicks of Apple absolutely must join in: (Fortunately, there is still the "Classic" interface.
Antwort von Beatfabrikant:
lol @ Powermac.
So I think the look of PCs and Macs to play on this issue has no role. It is only by performance and compatibility.
And now why are you so stuck on apple?
if I have a letter I will search the name in the search one. As if that was just on a Mac would go. A Mac is as already mentioned for the general use is not just good. Only pure DV Editing for the Mac is really worthwhile, but is no longer synonymous. What is the advantage that the Mac is not a BIOS?
When you have a Pc but actually a lot more room for modifications, over-clocking and knows what the heck.
You'll find the Mac interface intuitive and work well? Beautiful but it can be synonymous with PCs realize. Simply a Mac theme download, install and the thing eaten. Final Cut Pro is not determined objectively bad video editing program. Quite the contrary. But the enclosed Programs such as motion or soundtrack are definitely not designed for professional work, I think there is one with the Adobe Production Studio of better. As I said for pure DV editing a fine thing.
Antwort von dietercut:
Many of the "fabulous" Mac things I found rather pointless. Why semitransparent window and dock needs, I still do not. You do not need. It is synonymous by right-clicking through the
explorer will find the way or a Vernüpfung in the taskbar (so does that mean?) Create. The classic environment always works. So why in a development still something s.der user interface change? An animated
help males: None Braucht, pointless gimmick, who then demanded? Dock, open the window or einblendbaren separate desktops for compulsory and optional (such as banking / management and DV editing), a certain routine tasks programmed
Automator icon in the Dock (each to the respective desk): Everything just touching helpless attempts Of Apple, the missing
explorer apology.
Antwort von dietercut:
On apple.com, there are some very rich experiences of professional editors. For example, of "The Edukators":
http://www.apple.com/de/pro/video/weingartner/
Pro7 Austria: http://www.apple.com/de/pro/video/pulstv/
RTL Formel 1 / ZDF Tour de France and dozens more: http://www.apple.com/de/pro/profiles/
Please go PowerMac these thou hast left at each Manufacturer of Profischnittapps and all other synonymous wurst whether Avid, Grass Valley, Discreet and more ...
the short ORF habens Blue is set to FAST, now it's sort of TOT and no cock crows after Wayne cares ..
we are glad that we still have the option of us even a picture of it and we then decide ...
I particularly admire the people who use so-called Crativetools and finished products from the jump I intros alla matrix or if it is contrary to the movies with transitions from the Prodatkollektion geschwängert ... 100% s.Ziel past and that is used in most programs, so ..
Antwort von Axel:
The article above was of me. Here I overlooked all the time that it is of course in the Finder also has a correlation to the Explorer:
Go to see something from unbureaucratic, but it works the same. There is no reason to miss anything.
Antwort von dietercut:
Go to see something from unbureaucratic, but works identically * LOL * ever gevistat
Antwort von WINner:
Winner @
did you seriously because times with software for the Mac apart? I did. And you?
- A viewer is already included in iPhoto The most one can hardly compare with Irfan.
Lahm and cumbersome. Not even the obligatory full-function controls on double-clicking the app
Even the most hyped in Macuserforum "xee" provides less than the very first beta Irfan more than ten years ago.
HBCI for online banking, I have before on my Windoze WISO money used, now I use BankX. BankX has a super-simple interface and is working on a plugin prima HBCI with my readers together.
Not only with the. In BankX run your data through a third party server.
If you no preference is ...
The surface of MacGiro example, however, is only for geeks.
Am I None.
In addition, in the foreseeable future anyway OSX from the market will be.
With the possibility, on the Mac synonymous Windowsproggis run to be able to pressure the development of the software companies have fallen for both systems.
And even if Apple pull the rumors about a soon under Windows running Final Cut Pro does not.
Then an Apple is just a nice Designergimmick and Powermac must be something else to Selbstindentifikation search.
Perhaps NEN Opel?
Antwort von dietercut:
In addition, in the foreseeable future anyway OSX from the market will be.
That my dear Winner myself as a credible Vista users do not and God forbid us from the MS is Aleinherscher
Antwort von usul:
That my dear Winner myself as a credible Vista users do not and God forbid us from the MS is Aleinherscher Will that change much? At least in Europe, MacOS with its 5% market share, yes, unfortunately, are not really competitors. Microsoft gets a lot of pressure out of politics more than of Apple.
Antwort von dietercut:
Microsoft gets a lot of pressure out of politics more than of Apple.
Problem only when there's no competitor instead penalty after Billy elongation for pure icing sugar rear ...
Antwort von WINner:
That my dear Winner myself as a credible Vista users do not and God forbid us from the MS is Aleinherscher Because I give you right. None wishes to see, the mind is at.
But why do we need an operating system, that of others primarily by its incompatibility differs.
In addition to Microsoft for the mass and Linux for the professionals there are very few reasons for OS.
One of them is FC, no preference whether E or P-version.
But as synonymous and Windows Programs have withdrawn almost immediately.
The times, as in the media offices of the universities were only Macs (is synonymous always like to tell), are long gone.
And if the Chinese in the near future with its already ready (and knoppixähnlichem) open-source OS, the Windows power break will come Äppel Be the first to fall under the wheels.
Is anything but me cold.
I am now with our Äppeln very satisfied because I have so abgefunden, which just can not do everything.
And who is the brand bears no service will be a cheese should not constantly argue.
Otherwise, even a thought.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
Even the most hyped in Macuserforum "xee" provides less than the very first beta Irfan more than ten years ago. No wonder xee is synonymous as a complement to the preview thought, less than competing with Irfanview. One of the Mac freeware counterparts would be more likely CocoViewX.
But since the Intel Macs now everything is running (including Linux), I understand this is not doggedness. The times where you are with the purchase of hardware for an operating system had to decide, are over. Those who buy a Mac today, and seriously believes that it neither OSX nor a viewer would be an audio recorder, which can be anything but the Windows Calculator on the same install. Only way round it's hard ;-)
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von Chezus:
Windows as a single operating system? What I want garnicht think.
Virtual Desktop gibts incidentally synonymous for Windows (I have it)
What are the user interface of Windows: the can itself so what you like and embellish synonymous, which is synonymous less the problem.
Ich steh halt before the following problem: so I make myself a MacPro can have enough memory with the necessary accessories ich brauch erstmal Money ( "Oh no ..." you'll say) and although the money from orders which are now continually come . These orders, however, I must first clean edit. With my current opportunities more difficult.
Mac + Windows computer? Gladly, but since missing synonymous again s.Money time. Given what has just come in, finally I've recently just a pile of software and camera equipment and camera output.
I got the MacPro already seen live, like me. Werd s.Freitag anyway to an Apple dealer to drive me all times accurate and anzuschaun not live in a rotating anyway when everyone is stressed.
A friend of me, in its WG everything. He works and performs better with Windows and Premiere, his room neighbor again mostly with the MacPro (3D animation).
He has everything already and is often durchprobiert satisfied with Winbugs has synonymous Windows aufm Macbook run in parallel. And as a piece of jewelry, he would describe all Apple products.
, The design, no doubt. I was from iPod synonymous not convinced, have this Christmas my girlfriend a new iPod nano and bought him würd me after thorough consideration synonymous buy. Not only the design but because of the handling synonymous. Most Apple products have an intuitive handling.
(iPhone as the best example. Würd I immediately buy wg. handling)
But in order to come to the point.
The price!
If I were to start to be satisfied that I have already put together the following system services:
MacPro (the link is not always available)
4500 Euro is not much money for someone who only recently has applied his trade until and shortly many orders will be handled
Antwort von Bernd E.:
that I have already put together the following system services Really a beautiful system! At least the extra hard, I would not get the Apple Store. As elsewhere, you can still save a lot. PowerMac was yes, if I remember rightly, sometimes here in the forum a couple of good tips given.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von dietercut:
... exactly - synonymous and the RAM you get cheaper elsewhere ...
Antwort von dietercut:
Hi Chezus,
Tip of me:
Nice Mouse, who is studying.
Then on Education in the shop:
http://tinyurl.com/3b2r9k
For the difference you get loose, an ex-Aldi Windows box at ebai reserves and you have about three hundred Öcken.
For two hundred you buy it (the mouse) a pair of beautiful earrings, left 100, --
Of versaufen we are both 80, --
At the end you have a cute mouse, a top-Mac, a Windows computer, a hangover and still twenty loops in the bag.
Na ..?
Antwort von Chezus:
Achso, convenient shopping at Apple and even contacts. Sounds tempting.
Although the link was no longer, because the session has expired.
Using a well-known at the SAE student würd synonymous what I might get cheaper. The Proposal (except to make contact with) I've ever heard so get ;-)
But as I've already written: hab my girlfriend for Christmas already presented. After 4 years, I am synonymous haggard times that I give her something electronic gifts can be. And the iPod as a piece of jewelry that was ideal. * * Is selberaufdieschulterklopfend really very much appreciated and it stops just at the moment so grad Music.
So much for me
But now with next discuss
Antwort von PowerMac:
(...) So I think the look of PCs and Macs to play on this issue has no role. It is only by performance and compatibility.
And now why are you so stuck on apple? (...). I think you've got your posting with your signature to the already discredited: "Not everything always take seriously what you read;)"
Why should it not with a calculator to change the appearance go? It is in life to always look. I feel personally involved in aesthetic work and living environments more comfortable and certainly more productive than working in unesthetic. I work in a pleasant, nicely furnished room. Why should I have a (possibly noisy) and gray (for me, or almost objectively) ugly chest stand? Of course everyone must answer for himself, whether he does or not. But you must not be large to discuss, because Apple's calculator is not overly expensive than comparable PCs equipped. And a neat appearance, there is not synonymous for its own sake as an aesthetic end in itself, but brings a solid finish, a quiet working noise, stability (eg during transport) and relatively easily a much better resale value in comparison to PCs with. But again, why should you in a creative industry with designers, directors, editors, artists and media enthusiasts at the chosen tool of aesthetics and style renounce?
Antwort von Chezus:
Whether I am now with an Acer laptop or a customer appeared at the Macbook makes a difference. With the Macbook connects just one professional, one can say what you want.
Above all, not everyone has it. The processing and the design, I find just brilliant.
Da geb ich Powermac absolutely right. Even if two cars equally well drive a nicer car makes more joy in the long run.
And the resale value of Apple is so good ... I would have really not thought of. The sell after one year is still very good, not like all other notebooks
But I'm still not as conclusive as I am now will you buy
Antwort von PowerMac:
(...) When I received a letter I will search the name in the search one. As if that was just on a Mac would go. (...) Only then are you looking for about five minutes and I am five seconds. And I went around searching of files. In some seven years ago did you mail the word "Auckland" somewhere in the test used. I think the wiegesagt in five seconds. A system-wide meta-search since you have Vista, incidentally synonymous. Only when she is two years ahead of us.
(...) A Mac is as already mentioned for the general use is not just good. (...) Already clear. MacUser All of this world are wrong and can not read emails, surfing, use ICQ, hear music and have no zip files. The general use even as just the domain of the Macs. Edit photos, make music, burn DVDs, films, cutting, hear music, events manage ... almost all the classic strengths of Apple advertised the Digital Hub and Digital Lifestyle. Ever thought of the iPod and so you heard? Synonymous s.den you think Santa Claus, right? I think almost since:
(...)
Only pure DV Editing for the Mac is really worthwhile, but is no longer synonymous. (...) Now you have suggestions on thick. I had so much expertise rare. Concentrated reasoning. And sort of convincing the whole justifications. Moment ... What reasons? Incidentally widersprichst you yourself what is "(...) really worthwhile but no longer synonymous (...)"? You ran "worthwhile" for to permit but not a superlative that?
(...) What is the advantage that the Mac is not a BIOS?
When you have a Pc but actually a lot more room for modifications, over-clocking and knows what the heck. (...) Clear. I see more stability than advantage. But I can understand you. If you have no idea of professional production, then like tuning, modding and "knows the cuckoo" and quite entertaining pastime for sure. Unfortunately does not work with a professional. The games are for me, synonymous with the 16, 17 found exciting. I think tuning and modding about as practical as tuned cars on the roads.
(...) You'll find the Mac interface intuitive and work well? Beautiful but it can be synonymous with PCs realize. Simply a Mac theme download, install and the thing eaten. (...) Sure, just download a theme, install and everything looks like full s.Mac from. And works just as synonymous * nick *. Please deal once (scientifically!) With software ergonomics. Of which you seem to have no clue. It's not about colorful buttons, transparent windows and the like. It's about fundamental concepts of how 30 years ago s.XERO Park Institute have been fundamentally researched. It is about functioning as the person with the lowest possible abstraction with the computer "human" can interact. Or approaches, with the comparatively moderate learning to work in the public fundamentally easier. That would, for example, "Spotlight," "Expose," "Dashboard," and so half-baked way inwzischen everything synonymous in Vista it. What a coincidence, is not it?
(...) Final Cut Pro is not determined objectively bad video editing program. Quite the contrary. But the enclosed Programs such as motion or soundtrack are definitely not designed for professional work, I think there is one with the Adobe Production Studio of better. As I said for pure DV editing a fine thing. (...) That is nonsense. Then many people are working very well with FCS is not professional. But if
Antwort von PowerMac:
What you just say it very well, dear Chezus: the Mac achso small scene here is very strongly represented and there are a lot of effort synonymous. I think this is an advantage. Forums such as macuser.de (now 72,000 German members) are extremely helpful and relatively more appealing than the many Windows-/PC-/Hardwareforen.
Antwort von Chezus:
@ Powermac
Where do you buy your Apple stuff (hardware software) a?
There are many points of which only are serious, effective and give a good warranty?
Antwort von DWUA:
Hello "Sybex", rather the beginning of questioners, do you ever have to?
Since 26 12. 2006?
You've the best response (the first) not even thanked.
If your search for a mobile video system, "
WHILE you that you want to use trains?
Then it is wurscht which system, mainly mobile.
Or one that you can easily transport?
Because there would be something! But at least 30 times more expensive than Christmas.
Up open.
What are your criteria?
Are you the driver?
How can you track, just a spark of you,
and the fuse is burning.
From a Flämmchen will be a forest fire.
Especially if flammable while at
same place by chance meets.
Is halt the "second 30-year-old war."
What can be even a fireman like Markus;) there
orientation?
Not much more than its "100 and the rest of today" rate at 10 T
Jubilee thanks to our midwives to help improve.
(RSVP, dear Markus)
Cordial greetings!
Antwort von birdie:
.... Cheers ...!!
Antwort von Chezus:
der is already long gone. I got the thread back to rausgeholt not a new one. The discussion was precisely the issue that I wanted to have clarified
Antwort von Chezus:
I currently have the following rationale:
I sell my laptop (with Pentium D and 1 gig ram) for 450 euros and buy me a Macbook (13 "1gig Ram Core2Duo) with which I am quite well while on the rounds come (work-technical).
The performance is much better than my current laptop with which I am currently work. The computer I've else you can to forget the laptop.
Then I wait until the middle of April, since it's around this time the prices for processors to reduce (Quad core of 800 $ to 500 $) and make me a complete system. For the MacPro's enough for me just not the money, one way or another. 3000 - 4000 Euro at the moment I simply do not.
What say you about this?
Advantages of the Macbook on my current laptop: better performance, Firewire port (and the usual what has been described)
Disadvantage: small display (15.4 "to 13")
Werd morgen times for Apple dealer and I drive the thing anschaun exact times.
Knows her a dealer with good prices and good warranty? The one you can recommend course
Antwort von PowerMac:
Lowest Prices @ Chezus:
http://forum.slashcam.de/viewtopic.php?p=185529 # 185529
Antwort von Chezus:
Apple Refurbished Store, I already know. Student and student, I am not.
So, these possibilities schonmal away.
The post of you I've already read and because of this score excluded. Thanks anyway
Antwort von PowerMac:
Then you search a student or students. This really is not difficult. Are you going to school? You're still young!
Antwort von Chezus:
No. I'm working (for now).
What I've read so I think we are not far apart (1 year?).
The students, whom I know quite well has just last week bought a MacBook. From I've already written. Werd times I write it well.
Antwort von PowerMac:
I do not know. I will be 23rd Du?
Antwort von DWUA:
@ PowerMac
that was very good,
and we must dry our keyboards.
Tears are salty.
Even when laughing.
Antwort von Chezus:
And I will be 22 in March. Well I was wrong garnicht.
Komm grad from Apple Dealers.
The Macbook will probably buy my brother. For me it is worth now than Subnotebook not because my current (still) fairly good performance brings forth. Sooner or later, but I buy thing (with 2GB RAM)
The owner told me that I suggested times with him because the law zam MacPro. With him about the not so expensive. He has what is said of him when I negotiate a presentation movie times, etc.
Sounds bad in any case not to.
And I really must say that for 2500 euros a very very good Microsoftwindowsjedochnichtsoschönes system could provide. Incl. 2 TFTs and a lot of disk space.
The Xeon likes fast, but a quad with 2GB Ram looks not bad as synonymous Dreiner.
Difficult difficult
Antwort von Lichtler:
synonymous if I hire a little late here and am already an old topic again, I want to give my mustard.
http://www.chip.de/artikel/c1_artikel_22784174.html?tid1=&tid2 =
1NE site that is quite a lot with software especially in the messenger sector is useful.
principle:
I work on both. Wants to miss none of the systems. Has everything a reason. I'm not too experienced, but for now do almost everything eigendlich mim Mac. There are always opportunities.
Antwort von Chezus:
For me this month will probably be Windows machines since I was 2 incl TFTs will cost about 1500 euro. And ziemich fast with a dual core 6700er.
Then (again if money comes purely) go on to the Macbook and maybe later on MacPro
I want the market while still watching and use the cheaper version. Yes I need more equipment. What good is a great calculator to me if I do not accept orders may lack purpose equipment ...
