Frage von Boris99:
Hello dear community!
Right now, I learned that my JVC GR-DV4000 after few splashes of seawater is unreparabel. In my endless sorrow I have for this informative forum registered in order to search for a successor. Now since I read 2 hours and slowly look at the many models through. I have learned that a Pana NV-GS 280 EC is a good device if they still have some more features.
What should the new camcorders have since?
Good handling is important for me, quality is so clear. More Wide Angleals in the JVC, I would welcome.
In AV would be almost a prerequisite, because I have movies on a VHS-C camera that I have the digital on the PC wanted to get out. DV in, I have not yet needed, but synonymous, I would like to have again, if the surcharge remains in the framework.
With the cost so I thought s.die 600 EUR.
Please give me some hints, because to me it is not clear what Camera AV input still has s.Board.
Many greetings
Boris
Antwort von Jan:
A DV 4000 was to lengths longer than 1200 market value, you have been fair and the DV 4000 with today's XM 2 / VX 2100 compare.
If only hold a maximum 600 ¬ will be spent (New Camera), and the greatest manual intervention to be made, this is the best camera.
Synonymous I can not say I had a VW Passat and Polo in the current wants the same amenities and benefits of space - this is not.
If XM 2 / VX 2100 is expensive, then try out GS 500 times.
VG
Jan
Antwort von Boris99:
Yes, the truth is what it. I still have times nachgeschaut the DV4000 was indeed more expensive, I did 3 years ago paid about EUR 1,000, as I have probably confused EUR with DM. Given that the short time after the scrap is, I would not be so high is no longer dare. Actually I'm pretty, so expensive that a device not even splashes some water on stand. Now I have some aversion to JVC.
With the names, I am unfortunately not as up to date. XM 2 tell me nothing, a Sony VX2100 for over 2,000 EUR to be? That would clearly not my class.
The GS 500 would be fine (although, EUR 850 would be pretty much), but again has no AV input.
I do not think that I am of the camera so much demand that equal more than EUR 1,000 to be expensive. I would currently not be synonymous times as much money to spend for the JVC. I film mostly with automatic and uses no special features. Did the then wg. bought the good quality, but if another synonymous brings the camera, then I'll spare the additional expenditure for unused functions. The handling and the quality are the priority.
Are there any affordable devices with AV input? If not, how do I get a few other old SVHS-C films on the PC? I have an old AV Master card, which is actually on a current system is no longer usable.
Greeting
Boris
Antwort von Jan:
XM 2, of Canon, but synonymous around 1600 ¬.
With AV in and up to date? Then Pana falls completely away from the consumer.
The best models are then probably SonyHC 96 & Canon MVX 45i have the AV In. Canon MVX 4i yes there is virtually no more, MVX 45i is synonymous expired, but there are still s.and to the Internet.
If you always do a lot with automatic transmission, not much want to connect accessories and AV In - SonyHC 96! Good Automatic Camera - somewhere near the DV 4000 Picture should be - but not in the manual features & options.
But the AV In the Camera is not always so good. Often there überstrahlt images. Stop testing. Better would be an A / D converter of zb Canopus ADVC 110 - to bring top quality.
Markus times or if he ask for your shots a special price for digitizing with his ADVC 300 Converter you there!
VG
Jan
Antwort von Gästle:
Boris @ 99,
I was with my GR-4000s even s.den Niagara Falls and with the "Maid of the Mist" almost under the circumstances. Who ever was there and this boat has joined, knows what that means. My DV uncomplainingly the 4000s has survived, you have to pack up and hold water, death is all electronic and seawater already 2x (salt). Sea squirts. . . ts, ts, ts
There would be a Sony or Canon or Pana also adopt.
with sand and sea it is simply the housing openings with adhesive tape to cover, especially the cassette tray.
OK, that benefits you now no longer synonymous. (In the future as a tip).
Like Jan writes - in fact - the DV 4000 was the flagship of JVC and a damn good Cam. (I love my).
As an alternative, I would now only a GS-500 series Pana view, although they were plump compared to 4000 is the GR. Yes, Yes synonymous design must be!
Greeting
Gästle
Antwort von Boris99:
Yes, the GS-500 Pana gefällt mir ganz gut, because I only have great concerns about the AV in. I would only for the couple SVHS-C tapes need, but who knows what comes times.
When the DV 4000 was probably not clear to me that I had something special. For me it was a normal cam, because I knew no other. As I leave, but only a filmmaker, I have probably only small part exhausted. I have mostly used the automatic and was satisfied when the reliably good pictures from there.
What are actually the Specials, the camera as well?
Very much appreciated, I have the big monitor. How many inches has he actually, so I make a comparison with the other devices have?
@ Jan
Your knowledge of the hardware is very impressive! I have the SonyHC96 viewed synonymous. Yes, this could be interesting, the equipment would fit. Only I have such an aversion to SONY because of their pricing ... There is certainly every accessory and not just follow the standards of Sonyfür expensive to get his money.
I will still take some time to read the SonyHC96 or the GS-500, I could imagine as a purchase. Is there another good place for testing or experience exchange regarding the equipment?
I power of the CCD 3X to Pana a simple Sony (synonymous or other devices) in the quality noticeable?
Thank you for your answers!
Boris
Antwort von Gästle:
Well, the 4000s was a computer: "Everything inside-out everything .."-Cam. Open for each protocol. Whether WebCam (via USB), whether analog in, analog out whether, if DV in / out, whether in micro, whether Headphones out ports .. en mass.
These are several manual settings (except Tonausteuerung and "Zebra" unfortunately).
Cams which still can / have you studied at the lower price segment today in vain.
.. And of the great picture quality (synonymous LowLight) DV 4000 would grow.
Even the 3-Chipper Pana GS 500 does not take a Headphones output kopfschüttel * *.
And the beautiful Sony (H) DV Cams are so'm with nonsense like "intelligent shoe photo" delivered. The only binds s.die same brand again and if I is an example ext. Sennheiser Micro-up wants to - provided that a micro-connector überhaubt is ... is first announced Bastel work. Versteh's who wants to.
What did your DV 4000s exactly, or how the defect manifests itself?
Greeting
Gästle
Antwort von Boris99:
What did your DV 4000s exactly, or how the defect manifests itself?
I quote from the JVC Findings:
Water. Mainboard, Optical Block and MonitorAssy unusable. The repair price exceeds by far the Neupreis
Antwort von Jan:
Yes synonymous, the consumer 3 CCD Panasonic Picture is in color and sharpness, at least under artificial day & ne track better than the 1 Chipper.
Because thou sayest that thou eh much automatic film would be a GS 280 / 300 synonymous interesting because most functions are not necessarily worth it for you, the GS 500 offers.
Zb the 4 million pixels in the image of nursing, the F 1,6 and his intensity slightly larger the CCD, the supplied remote control cable, which supplied almost stronger Battery CGA DU 14, hochziehbarer viewfinders, the cinema effect program (which I think brings almost nothing), the manual Tonaussteuerung - you probably will not often make., the Focus ring would still not bad - but if you rarely remove the manual keys, he brings a lot of you do not synonymous.
In the large remainder is the GS 280 / 300 Identical and worth a consideration. To think at least the majority of users. I still movies with GS 500 - because the Tonaussteuerung for the interviews & concert recordings easily is important.
I'm not ready to synonymous permanent Quelereien Sony Consumer join (Battery election, election Micro, Touch Screen, cable choice (S-Video - VMC 15 FS) - Pana mitliefert what exactly as supplied Charger, where Sonyuns for BC TRP 70 ¬ aufdrücken wants.
AV In Yes, but have only halt SonyHC 96 & Canon MVX 45i / MVX 4i / MV 960 (the bracket I am now off) in the current MiniDV Consumer 2006 of the 3 best companies that you need to know whether the analogue films necessarily with the Camera must be digitized - if so then take SonyHC 96 / Canon MVX 45i.
How to February / March 2007, most companies with the 2007 range, but I doubt whether Panasonic AV Model In rausbringt.
The Sonyihr MiniDV range force together will stamp is probably as safe, are the sales for hard disks & DVD now at Sony camcorder Even before of MiniDV. Panasonic still sells more MiniDV cameras which is probably good because of the paragraphs of the GS 27 / 180 / GS 280 is.
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Antwort von Boris99:
Well, I'll probably have to take the Panasonic, I just need time to handle with the equipment still watch.
The Canon MVX 45i / MVX 4i what would have been, but they are no longer to get. What would interest me - there is no 45i for the worthy successor to the functions and Connections None was robbed?
Boris
Antwort von Jan:
Unfortunately probably synonymous until next spring.
Possibly synonymous intentionally, the MVX 4i / 45i disappeared rather quickly of the picture plane, although the MVX 4i not so long on the market and super MVX 4i tests had received. Canon would like the people who necessarily synonymous spend over 500 ¬ directly to HDV HV 10 continues to send, and not besserausgestattete SD Consumer as the two into direct competition send. Yes & the MVX 45i MVX 4i have been synonymous for sale in Pana GS 280 / 500 very difficult to do.
VG
Jan
Antwort von Mora57:
Oh, it's become difficult with the purchase. 3 years ago when I bought the JVC, it was still all about simplicity. There were hardly any alternatives and the JVC had everything I needed to have. Why did not JVC DV 5000 rausgebracht, which has sold so poorly? Here in the forum but in the highly praised.
So it seems to me, unfortunately, no suitable model to give no more in 2006. From what I have read it, I would argue that the previous or last year's models in Pana and Canon were better than current devices. OK, due to the development may have increased the image quality, but are important connections have disappeared. Why are there because of the two is not affordable, universal device with AV in, as time was! It makes me quite ill at the moment.
It would for me only the SonyHC96 remain, but actually I will not. I am considering whether I was not better in the AV and renounce but the GS 300 Pana suppose.
I'm now extra mileage to Media Markt to me the camcorder view. God, are the small screen has become! Because I wonder again what it is. The JVC was the display nearly twice as big! The handling of Sonywith the touch screen was synonymous not just me convincing. From the Panasonic had the only the GS 500 for 1095 EUR. The filled s.als the Sony better.
And 40% of the issued equipment on DVD. Is that perhaps the replacement of MiniDV? The processing s.PC likely to DV tapes probably be easier. Or am I mistaken there.
I am after visit MM no pieces become smarter!
Greeting
Boris
Antwort von Markus:
[dvd] Is that perhaps the replacement of MiniDV? The processing s.PC likely to DV tapes probably be easier. Or am I mistaken there. You're not wrong, MiniDV is the format of choice, if you put the pictures without quality loss and easy way to edit out.
The DVD is a distribution format, but that many consumers do not understand. The only buy and are then disappointed (gib mal "DVD camcorder" into the search function on).
... how do I get a few other old SVHS-C films on the PC? Markus times or if he ask for your shots a special price for digitizing with his ADVC 300 Converter you there! Either the synonymous or the tips in this post (except for item 3 synonymous for SVHS-C applicable):
Five ways to Video8/Hi8 to Digitizer Which variant is s.preisgünstigsten depends mainly of the number of video tapes to be digitized from.
Antwort von Boris99:
Hey, strong stuff! My camcorder is back s.Leben!
The self-laudatory JVC Workshop in Bad Nauheim, my unit has already written off and paid me a scrap offered. I wanted the thing but not quite dare and had at a workshop on the Internet found to be synonymous. And bingo - they've done it. By swapping a board and cleaning the damaged offices and an easing of my wallet to EUR 325, the device is again top in order! So thank you s.die Company Video Tilgner
(www.camcorderservice.net)! The JVC workshop, I have confronted with the fact that there was neither an apology nor an opinion. Is synonymous embarrassing ...
Now is it that I previously envisaged cameras so about 30% below list price could get.
Would the Panasonic 280/300 me an advantage over the JVC DV 4000 offer? I can then arrange and do not like to sell, but makes sense only if the Pana has something, what the JVC missing.
One advantage would be the size - for certain occasions is a small, handy camera is certainly of advantage. Not that the JVC would be unwieldy, but compared to the Pana 280 makes it a bit bulky. Do you believe that differences in picture quality between the two are observed?
What bothers me s.der JVC is bad wide. At least bad in comparison with my old analog VHS-C camera. If the Wide Anglebei the GS 280 may be better?
Last question - Camera should I get, I would like an additional battery mitkaufen. What should I take if it is not original parts must be?
Thanks and greetings
Boris
Antwort von Jan:
Can I just hard to judge which DV 4000 I have not seen forever, wars were really a flagship of JVC in the consumer area and not quite synonymous cheap. Wide Angled The GS 280 is with 46 mm (KB) synonymous not much better.
About Lowlight Arts between the two, I am not quite sure. Some magazines have the JVC F 1.2, despite a very noisy Picture accused other users thought they were pretty good. I was with previous DV 3000 synonymous not satisfied ... The AF & stability is at the GS 280 but already much better.
You probably need to test myself sure.
Batteries would CGR DU 6, CGA DU 7,12,14 or the great 21er, contractors are almost never a problem in Pana.
VG
Jan
Antwort von Boris99:
The bad luck is unfortunately no end ...
Now I have the 300 at my dealer ordered and can not deliver, because Panasonic will soon the successor to the market wants. But as I see it, missing the GS320 DV-in, or am I mistaken? Is there already a report about the new models 320 and 230? At first glance, I could detect no difference, apart from the smaller Resolutionbei the pictures. Did someone take a Comparison seen?
Greetings, Boris
