Frage von HArdcore1:
Hi!
Wanted me in the holiday ne cam from the usa bring. What should I look out, because we are in a PAL country live;)
On the Cam does take it to normal DV tape and the video plays normally on the pc. Only now, the cam ne resolution on other, less frames ... etc?
porgressive mode is 25p instead of 24p (pal) or? what does this mean for me?
NTSC - complete advantage or disadvantage for PAL territories?
Antwort von AndyZZ:
NTSC - complete advantage or disadvantage for PAL territories? Complete Disadvantage:
lower resolution, on many televisions are not presentable, costly and lossy conversion to PAL necessary.
You get but synonymous PAL devices in the shops.
Warning: when imported will inch and import VAT is due, which makes the price advantage again broken.
Antwort von Quadruplex:
(..) Is what makes the price advantage again broken. Although I know the current prices in the U.S., but at the current dollar exchange rate should be at least came to expect (of course with Inch and tax) ...
It is important in any case, international warranty. Otherwise completely d'accord - if one does not need NTSC: Finger weg!
Antwort von AndyZZ:
(..) Is what makes the price advantage again broken.
Although I know the current prices in the U.S., but at the current dollar exchange rate should be at least came to expect (of course with Inch and tax) ...
Well, 19% import VAT will be payable in all cases.
In addition, up to 12.5% inches, depending on the camera, such as DV-in, etc.
This would have the camera in the worst case is already at least 26% cheaper than the cheapest shop here in Germany or the EU.
Antwort von der_kleine_techniker:
When you purchase abroad also problems when claiming warranty or guarantee of cases.
Antwort von Quadruplex:
This would have the camera in the worst case is already at least 26% cheaper than the cheapest shop here in Germany or the EU. I sach doch: Discounts!
Antwort von beiti:
NTSC - complete advantage or disadvantage for PAL territories? Complete disadvantage. Even a price difference of 20 or 30% would not outweigh the disadvantages.
There are in this forum has several posts of people who out of ignorance a U.S. camcorder and now have bought many difficulties with the recordings have. There are a surprising number of Television in D, which does not reflect NTSC (ie where one of such a camcorder can not play). Better is the compatibility of burned DVDs in NTSC-German players, but a guarantee that an unsuspecting recipients an NTSC DVD will play without problems, it is still a long way. Finally there is the principle of conditional NTSC problems: The Resolutionist (visible) lower than for PAL, and because of the differing rates, there are recordings in rooms with fluorescent tube light is a slight flicker (synonymous applies vice versa, if one with the PAL camcorder in the U.S. films).
If NTSC recording in Germany wants to pass, you will sooner or later a standard NTSC-PAL conversion need. This is cumbersome and lengthy (computing), in each case with quality losses (bucking) connected, and really good software converter standard prices already exceed the potential savings in the purchase of the camcorder.
The decision for NTSC should be very aware, when this is a technical compromise must be - for example, for people who have their relatives in North America with videos and want to deliver here in Germany for quality and compatibility make concessions are ready.
But if such a specific case is not available, is very clear: hands off of NTSC!
Antwort von JMitch:
Well, let's say, for if I can get 650 euros (not including customs), it is still favorable. I think the cam is for a hobby filmmakers, who with a reasonably good hd cam filming wants, not necessarily affordable.
So, to me is the quality of the principal, and by the quality of NTSC is so completely torn, right? flicker, etc.
So my TV is NTSC, and I do see the movies anyway just s.pc or s.meinem TV.
Are the benefits of PAL-400 euro worth?
Antwort von beiti:
Well, let's say, for if I can get 650 euros (not including customs), it is still favorable. I think the cam is for a hobby filmmakers, who with a reasonably good hd cam filming wants, not necessarily affordable.
So, to me is the quality of the principal, and by the quality of NTSC is so completely torn, right? flicker, etc.
So my TV is NTSC, and I do see the movies anyway just s.pc or s.meinem TV. Are the benefits of PAL-400 euro worth? You speak of HD. There is (actually) not NTSC and PAL, but still different frame rates / frequencies. Here you have to distinguish between 50i, 50p and 25p (mainly in PAL countries) and 60i, 60p, 30p and 24p (mainly in NTSC countries).
As long as the material remains and HD on HD-capable equipment is being played, the differences are relatively no preference. Exception: Fluorescent tube problem if the recording frequency is not with the local network switching frequency harmony.
If some time after SD is converted (eg for people who do not have HD equipment have to burn DVDs), it is again qualitatively advantage of if we for a PAL DVD 25p/50p or 50i source material, while one raw material in 24p, 30p, 60p or 60i easily converts to NTSC. Querkonvertierungen are synonymous - but then again with bucking.
So synonymous for HD, if you are not a good reason, in 24p/30p/60p/60i turn, go into Deutschlasnd with 25p/50p/50i better. In the U.S. I have a camcorder would only buy if it is one of the (few) 50/60 switchable act.
Which cam is this exactly? I can not quite believe that the difference between the U.S. Purchase and D-purchase really is huge. (If you think of the inches of shit: Forget it! They're not stupid, and if they catch you, it will be really expensive.)
Antwort von JMitch:
Well, it's about the Canon HV20. for approximately 650 euros. New!
I think a halving of the price is ever worth a hingucker. EVEN if it is "only" is ntsc. Or?
I mean, I sometimes come to me so before, as if I am one of few to whom money is relatively no preference seems to be. I use the cam for filmereien hobby and shorts. Student and am trying to make ends meet.
As long as the quality loss is not serious, it is ok. Although I am a top priority to the point quality. Had my Sony HDR HC7 or so for 1599 euro fetched a few weeks ago, had the whole day, night and filmed. Quality was fine, but for Euro 1599, I expected more ... the HV20 has the movie mode on the great hope I do ... and for less than half the cost, I thought it is worthwhile from a foreign to fetch.
Antwort von JMitch:
Oh yes, because of the Zollbescheissen:
Have several packages from Japan and had never submitted the Inch has discovered something, nor has the duty to me something s.flughafen searched.
The Inch perhaps to single countries spezialiesiert be. No clue.
Antwort von JMitch:
movies I have been 2 years with an NTSC DV camera (SD), and the biggest disadvantage is that the recordings are not played with the German cameras can be given (if any SD, HDV, I do not know).
With the guarantee, however, it can give problems, since the U.S. is usually short as here. My NTSC cam now has a problem with the zoom lever, if I only would have bought here, they would time of occurrence is still in warranty, but since they're still from the USA is, I jjetzt the harm.
I was in the U.S. even appliances di Enur 90tage warranty had, but I think Canon ht 1 year. So in repatatrufall can be problems.
At HD resolution, there are no differences, as I said, only in the frame rate.
Ists naturally priced super, and then the exchange rate, which will benefit you so synonymous. the cheapest thing I've seen in D was 900th
I would not PAL benefits worth EUR 400, especially since anyway just filmed in HDV wird.Meine with 30FPS (480:30 i) auge passed for iDVD movies on DVD here on TV yet no problems (but it may be the iDVD it was converted).
Antwort von JMitch:
First, thanks for the swift reply. Ich finds gut that someone professes to ntsc. I wonder grade, where you be my test, that makes ntsc only 30fps (pal 50 ?)... that is not used to, when other, higher frame rates is accustomed?
What is the frame rate at ntsc kino film ever ... also 30 fps?
Antwort von beiti:
Well, it's about the Canon HV20. for approximately 650 euros. New!
I think a halving of the price is ever worth a hingucker. EVEN if it is "only" is ntsc. Or? It is in the case of the HV20 is a form of HD and did not really NTSC.
The American version of the HV20 is still in terms of their recording formats of the German version.
Both are characterized according to HDV - anamorphic standard HDTV Resolutionvon with a 1440 x 1080 pixels in 16:9 format. The differences concern the Aufnahmefreqenzen. While the American version 60i and 24p dominated (ie 60 fields or 24 frames), the German version 50i or 25p (ie 50 fields or 25 frames per second).
Playback on HD-Ready televisions via HDMI is relatively easy, which is no preference which of the 4 options will be played.
If the signal on a normal SD television play, it becomes more complicated. The German version of the HV20 then builds from its HD a PAL signal with 50 fields, which is developing an American version NTSC signal with 60 (actually 59.97) fields per second. 50i and 60i are only licensed to PAL or NTSC Resolutionheruntergerechnet. At 25p each Vollbild to 2 PAL fields distributed at 24p a 2:3 pulldown to 60 NTSC fields performed (ie the original frames are alternately on 2 and 3 NTSC fields distributed - same procedure as for the scanning of cinematographic for the NTSC market).
For the buyer of an American there's HV20 when recording in Germany said the only limitation with the neon tubes flicker-. When viewing his films on an HD-Ready TV or on a computer, there are no restrictions. A non-HD television, s.den the HV20 wishes must, however expressly NTSC master.
Will we in Germany SD-DVDs of the recordings of American HV20 make, you have three options: Either you trust in the ability of the NTSC playback devices and converts them into standard NTSC DVD versions with 60i or 24p (pulldown is a previous then not necessary, because a separate DVDs 24p mode know - the pull is done if required in the DVD player). Or one is of pure PAL devices and converted to a PAL DVD 60i in 50i, which is due to missing or interpolated intermediate images are almost always leads to Rucklern. In the case of 24p recording can be as a third alternative with appropriate software, the speed to 25 frames per second increase and then sampled as a feature film on each 2-PAL fields bring with 50i.
Both the German synonymous than the American version of the HV20 has advantages and disadvantages: As a starting material for movies-FAZ is the 24p mode of the American better suited, as a starting material for German video -, DVD player or television is the evaluation of German HV20 better.
Only for reasons of cost for use in Germany, an American camera to choose, I think short-sighted (I think s.DVDs for family and friends, presentation of foreign films on television and last but not least, access to archived films after the death of the current Camera). But everyone must know yourself.
Oh yes, because of the Zollbescheissen:
Have several packages from Japan and had never submitted the Inch has discovered something, nor has the duty to me something s.flughafen searched. You have given me perhaps a moral. "I catch every week, what in the supermarket, but that's okay, because I have never been caught."
The Inch is not obligated to search (this is not a game), but you are obliged to goods at the entry to register and to declare. A violation of this policy may be criminal consequences.
Antwort von JMitch:
http://www.br-online.de/bayern-heute/artikel/0608/23-ballack-zollvergehen/index.xml
Interesting. Usually surprising when the double duty plus 19% tax levied fairytale. Possibly even just the simple duty. b must therefore already have mokiert however.
And it is not even synonymous luck through the entry control, but the "problem" is in each entry! Worse still: the attempt by some contemporaries to smuggle through, buyers have their lawfully acquired in D cameras may Inch problems when evidence that the D Camera comes us. On the other hand, helps only a bill from D, but who has been missing? A missing statement (copy) can ensure the camera up to the presentation of the bill to follow. To my knowledge, this is only personally, which means we must once again back to the airport to the Camera on presentation of invoice trigger.
Antwort von JMitch:
Well, it is already clear that it has a dark side, the importation of imported goods, both for the German economy, as synonymous for me as a retail, which may have technical disadvantages.
Why my you that 24p is better for movies than the pal?
Thx for the detailed description. I appreciate that very much.
Antwort von JMitch:
You mean if I am with its cam around the neck by the duty to come, I must submit ^ ^? I think that sounds like something to krass.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
Well, it's about the Canon HV20. for approximately 650 euros. Are you sure the dealer you for that price, the camera really synonymous with the associated standard accessories sold? Some American dealers are already notorious for their promotional offers.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von beiti:
Due to the attempt by some contemporaries to smuggle through, buyers have their lawfully acquired in D cameras may Inch problems when evidence that the D Camera comes us. On the other hand, helps only a bill from D, but who has been missing? Those who purchased the camera properly and possibly duty itself has no problem. Either you can purchase in Germany, or the proof of customs clearance. Who on the safe side, take this with proof and can be prior to the departure of Inch a "simplified identity" issue, because the serial numbers are entered, and in the case of a control on re-entry, you can submit this certificate.
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Why my you that 24p is better for movies than the pal? Because cinema projectors with 24 frames per second running. If you already 24p rotated, one can easily HD material by FAZ to bring film. If you have a German Cam with 25p using the recordings must be slow for movies what the Sound is deeper sound.
But FAZ is a very specific application (low-budget movie or cinema advertising) and the average should not affect filmmakers.
Antwort von Markus:
Ich finds gut that someone professes to ntsc. On this issue there are other experiences that are with the search term "NTSC" find. As users have demanded that out of ignorance before an NTSC camcorder bought and then had problems here in PAL land occurred. Just search. ;-)
Antwort von JMitch:
If you are interested, I will you to keep, how it all ends.
So, a buddy wanted to bring with me now, or charge.
Antwort von JMitch:
http://www.br-online.de/bayern-heute/artikel/0608/23-ballack-zollvergehen/index.xml
Interesting. Usually surprising when the double duty plus 19% tax levied fairytale. Possibly even just the simple duty. b must therefore already have mokiert however. this is not entirely accurate (or not quite complete), the "duty surcharge on the import duties, there is travel, but only if the charges (duty and import VAT) amounted to 130 euro up to (and this total is at 19% eust and in many cases a rate higher than 0% quickly reached beyond ...), = formal criminal proceedings for attempted tax evasion! http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/zollvg/__32.html
Antwort von beiti:
If you are interested, I will you to keep, how it all ends.
So, a buddy wanted to bring with me now, or charge. Can you make happy. The Inches has already determined your IP saved after you here in a quasi-public forum have announced to evade taxes. ;)
