Frage von galiod:
Hello,
I have before me a new camera to buy better, because my
NV Gs11 no longer sufficient. I am a student and prior reports have mostly small and short film.
I want to buy me a camera with as many manual settings. I would like to take this camera some time use. I have 3 cameras in the eye:
NV-GS 500
Canon XM2
Canon XL1S
my budget is around the 1200 euro
at ebay to get used cameras at good prices ....
The question is whether the objective of NVGS500 really much worse than the objective of the canon cameras.
and how the picture quality can reach s.die semiprofigeräte .---
mfg
galiod
Antwort von dvfreak:
hallo galiod,
I have recently synonymous over the purchase of a XL1S informed.
1. The cheapest thing I've seen are 1500 ¬
2. Since the camera certainly already around 5 years old, is already outdated technology understandably. My buddy had s.seienr XL1S synonymous several repairs carried out.
For XM2 I can not say much, which I myself have never worked with her. Yet we read in the forum more often the camera just because of the manual settings is purchased, something is in the price range up to 1300 ¬ seldom
For Nv-Gs500: I work at the moment with the NV-GS 250, the predecessor model and am all in all very happy, but I is rather large, handy cameras. The NV-GS 250 is sometimes really difficult if the micro, headphones and s-video cables are attached on it, nor to make buttons.
So I recommend in any case, the Canon XM2
Echt ein super sub!
Antwort von galiod:
hmm .. interesting thought, but the cost of course a lot of money ...
but I mainly go to the image quality.
The problem is that the NVGS500 s.die 4 megapixel rankommt, but not for Dv used. and I want photos with the camera will not shoot ^ ^
furthermore, it has no headphone output, but I can not appreciate how important is because I think that is usually on the mini external sound recording, or?
NVGs500 which has in my eyes somehow the flair that the camera can be a lot .. but nothing really ...^^
mfg
galiod
Antwort von Bamboo:
The GS 500 is certainly a consumer device, but it is very good (uch they have) and would therefore recommend it to you. The problem with the lack of headphone output, you can bypass einstellungsmöglichkeien there are some, and it is much cheaper NEW than the other USED. One should always prefer new camcorder purchase, and the picture quality, the GS 500 is the equivalent XM2, sometimes much better (16:9) and, and, Other ..
My Conclusion: GS 500
Antwort von dvfreak:
So, as I said before, the NV-GS 500 is a consumer device and not as the XL1S and XM2 a Semiprofigerät.
A headphone jack, I can of my camera wegdenken every time I connect Mirko, I agree with the auto synonymous with Headphones on.
That means if you do not have a mic you need the Headphones are not synonymous. As the host has already said you can with little adapters synonymous s.den normal AV port to connect a header Phones. If you ever have it respected the AV cable 3kleine strokes s.der Page where you have the cables plug into the camera, here, the KOfphörer or Mic only 2, since the video signal disappears. Here there is a simple adapter or 3 strokes On 2
Achso that you should only do if you are not on s.der Kmaera Headphones can switch.
In one, I can agree with the guest synonymous, camcorder rather buy NEW!
So if you have a lot for little money should have take the Nv-Gs500. Your thoughts to the camera can really nothing I can not quite agree, for under 1000 ¬ you get almost nothing better. RS is always better to see XM2, but you are synonymous to me and too expensive. I have before me now a few years of Canon MVX25i purchased at the time synonymous to cost ¬ 1000 and am still satisfied with it, Ok, it might be more like 2chips but it makes a brilliant picture and has all kinds of connections.
For Theme Sound external record: Very briefly: we need you when a DAT koplette equipment, which are then more than the camera cost.
So: NV-GS500 with jack adapter
Antwort von Udo Schröer:
And the NV-GS 500 may Pal Progressive 25p, one of the few in the price range. The quality is really good, she had times a day for testing. Did they exchanged it because I prefer something bigger.
Antwort von dvfreak:
Geanu so I see the synonymous, super part, but simply too small and unwieldy.
Antwort von galiod:
I actually tend more to NV GS-500, but wait until 2007 to something in the new models come ^ ^
thank you very much
galiod
Antwort von Bamboo:
This is rightly so, perhaps what is going on, otherwise take the 500th GS
I do not find them unwieldy. Sure, it's not very big, but in any case larger than all other consumer camcorders, and (I), it can work very well ..
Antwort von galiod:
Is there a way synonymous s.die NVGs500 something like a matte dranzumachen?
I think we should try the best color to achieve?
Antwort von Stöpsel:
I would check the NV GS 500 does not recommend, because they weight too easy, so as to rotate verwacklungsfreie videos. But if you think no preference would be is it worth.
Antwort von galiod:
I will not take ink ... I also think that it is with some shoulder stativ can keep quiet. but I'm interested to ask whether in the NVGs500 something like a matte box can be affixed, and whether that improves color saturation ..?
Antwort von Stöpsel:
Perhaps what is for you:
http://www.produkte.panasonic.de/product/product.asp?sStr=4 @ - @ 10 @ 21 @ 381@@@@HDC-SD1EG-S @ High | Definition | old-fashioned camcorder @ & = N & upper = & prop =
(New)
Antwort von galiod:
yes it would be interesting. The camcorder has enormous benefits derived from the CCD ...
but if I'm not pretending everything is the latest of Hd camcorder panasonic, and perhaps not yet mature. It also comes only in the march and the price is probably "slightly" above the NV GS 500 is ...
1) to Hd quälität full I need a much faster computer, editing software, etc. ..
2) Who knows if hd passage not only a solution is, and I have a long-camcorder
I would have like to stay in MiniDV, since the data in my opinion, the cheapest and best art is ... because who has so much space that it stores everything on disk, or to repeatedly buy new memory cards ^ ^
HD ... So I have the synonymous sony HC1 and HC3 viewed, and, although I have a HD TV I have the cams could not convince ...
they are now pioneers in the middle area and use it, I can not synonymous anyway ... because they have to record in DV .. and these rumors to the better picture still .....* silence *
mfg
galiod
Antwort von Bamboo:
But it's (up to the fact that HD) worse than the 500th GS It is rather like the GS 300.
Mattebox can s.den GS 500 very good fix.
And what the weight of the GS 500 is concerned: The gweicht is very good and you can super-loose-free recordings made from the hand. At the beginning I always stativ mitgeschleppt, but I do now very rare, because the stabilizer works great (but I have a very quiet synonymous hand)
Antwort von Bamboo:
And what the weight of the GS 500 is concerned: The gweicht is very good and you can super-loose-free recordings made from the hand. At the beginning I always stativ mitgeschleppt, but I do now very rare, because the stabilizer works great (but I have a very quiet synonymous use) [/ quote]
But works of OIS synonymous in 16:9 mode
(In my NVGS 180 unfortunately only in 4:3)
Antwort von Bamboo:
Sure, the OIS is synonymous in the 16:9 (true 16:9), the GS 180 but has only one EIS
Antwort von Stöpsel:
You most probably SIS
But I do not think de OIS is better to worlds
Antwort von galiod:
hmm ..... I think optical image stabilizer is already worth much, but with the camera in the hand by the world to run on a stand without respect ....
because we can not make claims to high ...
-> But in the end anyway Every movie comes to the conclusion that they were not on his left hand can ...
Antwort von Stöpsel:
My tip: Take a normal mach the Camera Tripod draufund put it on your shoulder. The pictures are beautiful.
Antwort von galiod:
so hab ichs otherwise made synonymous ..
Here again the different test images of NVGS500:
http://www.videoaktiv.de/content/view/481/57/
Here again the different test images of XM2:
http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=ru_en&url=http% 3A% 2F% 2Fwww.videomax.ru% 2Ftests% 2Fvx2100-XM2% 2F
if a decision must take the same ^ ^
Antwort von dvfreak:
Hello
Unfortunately, we are once again the question of the Mattebox astray.
I am interested in the synonymous in my MVX25i (34mm thread).
1.Im moment I stand before the question whether
http://www.riccos-camera.de/product_info.php?products_id=1252&src=frg This lens hood in conjunction with an adapter ring 52mm to the same effect as a matte.
2.Wo there is Matte boxes are not in oversized Kostensphähren move?
3. What does a man with frensh flag?
4. When does a wide-angle lens?
4 questions in Lens, who can help me?
Antwort von galiod:
So I have been synonymous after matte box (! as is the plural !??!) around. however, are not only synonymous but over-priced for huge camera lenses built ....
in which there is ebay, but from India and a price difference of 120 euro to 12 euro seems to me that only by saving the quality possible ...
This flag is white, I think, for the protection of the light top ^ ^
may be times a profit its meinung say about this product?
http://www.riccos-camera.de/product_info.php?products_id=1252&src=frg
Antwort von dvfreak:
So I think the matte box synonymous for our Consumer devices are not appropriate, rather sensible ne lens hood, my link, so synonymous has similarity with a matte box and hopefully achieved pretty much the same effect.
Antwort von galiod:
you have already purchased it yourself .. or ever tested?
Antwort von dvfreak:
No, I just wanted to ask here whether the part about what is good.
Well when the price is still the Adpterrimg added.
I got so happy that there is a 34mm to 52mm adapter ring there, I would s.deienr agency synonymous erstmal inform whether there is a matching Adpter exist.
Antwort von galiod:
It really amazes me why the customer models have so little accessories .... I think what you come here to hear the new semi s.die without also ran, but when you get panasonic grad ma n paar filter and a wide-angle lens ^ ^
because it should not be surprised if people simply drauflosfilmen, and expect the best, because they do not know with what kind of convincing the professionals to upgrade their cameras to photo-ready TV to get ...
galiod
Antwort von dvfreak:
jop, I am at the moment with Arri, where you can ne Camera for 70000 ¬ and pay for all the accessories nochmal 70th
Well I hope it will someday again be a commentary on the lens hood competence.
Antwort von YourMajesty:
had the GS500 - exactly one week after it was sold again and a XM2 fluttered into the house.
Who says that the quality of both cams would be equal to either not know or is blind. Contrary to the statements can not show here.
XM2 regard Picture, Sound, stability of the GS500 clearly superior.
LowLight the XM2 is a track better, but more synonymous of "good" removed.
The GS500 swept still more. My HC96 of Sonywar LowLight with distance the best.
Would clearly XM2 guess if the choice between these cams to be taken.
Greeting
Tom
Antwort von techman:
Hello
I find it a bit if you have a brave Panasonic NV-GS500 with the XM2 (and the XL1S) compares! Because of these cameras are well priced as synonymous to the quality of her worlds, and I feel that this is no exaggeration.
The NV-GS500 new costs around 850 ¬, the XM2 has around 1800 ¬ (ie, nearly a 1000 more) and of the XL1S with (then) around 3000 ¬, we do not talk. Just as the price rises, the CCDs and the larger Lenses - which among other things, the picture quality is noticeable.
(I think that I can judge fairly because I am personally a Canon MVX200i a XM2 and a camcorder had SonyDigital8. But I have already with various cameras like the Panasonic MX300, Canon XL1 / 2, and synonymous with Sony professional DVCAM equipment worked.)
That's why you should have about what you need (leave your camcorder or a camera, the semi-synonymous (for good handling) to deliver broadcast recordings)
Because of the "matte": So if you a hood or stray light aperture is so important, then take a CameraLink to stop such a thing, or at least provided for herein. It makes not much sense s.so a small camera like the GS500 something like this link dranzubauen - this alone will not ripen oskar film. Also incidentally, I would just like to note that there is no matte, but only one sun / scattered aperture, because the thing does not have a filter holder, a "French flag" what you in the GS500 would need not synonymous.
So if you like the GS500 and you like their capabilities in low light enough, you do not need 20x optical zoom, the handle of the XM2 not need no XLR adapter (MA300) want to put ,....... then you'll find with the GS500 for the Money is certainly a good "holiday camcorder" but then you do well this thing (ie the scattering aperture) is not a good film. Well and if you have over your work with the Camera realize that you are often light reflections on the lens and have it bothers you, then yes you can still be what your Camera tinker, or buy.
lg Flo
Antwort von rtzbild:
It really amazes me why the customer models have so little accessories .... I think what you come here to hear the new semi s.die without also ran, but when you get panasonic grad ma n paar filter and a wide-angle lens Ahoi,
the camera manufacturer care about the cameras, the equipment manufacturer for the accessories. Clear division of responsibilities.
Look at hama, Zeiss, B & W or Schneider-Kreuznach after.
The have what you need.
because it should not be surprised if people simply drauflosfilmen, and expect the best, because they do not know with what kind of convincing the professionals to upgrade their cameras to photo-ready TV to get ... Is it the problem of Fiat, Panda when a buyer believes he can win the F1?
The Kam and accessories which alone makes it not because you write even in your Sig:
you can with the best technology to produce the greatest filth .... "Experience" is a valuable treasure, expensive paid, well-guarded, o)
LG Olli
Antwort von galiod:
it is synonymous to that which claims it as a profit s.camcorder, or as a hobby films. I focuses on an ordinary building to get a good color and in a free, ...
Of course, I am now in a way that the XM2 is objectively better by building a better-how, but is the NVGS500 In return soooo bad that you 800 euro more must lie down?
I am a student and an eternity since save for a good cam for me when I bought it synonymous with quality and convinced many manual options ...
mfg
Antwort von rtzbild:
Hello galiod,
You want my honest opinion read:
You buy that, with the _Du_ klarkommst.
Weight is crucial erstmal and handling.
What use you a high-end camcorder, if your hands are too large, or the part 17 kilos weighs?
The GS 500 is not bad with certainty, the XM-1 are not synonymous, not to mention of the mini-camcorders MVX30i, etc. .. with which I am the best, fernsehtauglichen experiences have made ...
All figures fetishism "LowLight 0 lux" or the oh-how great "grandma, dog, cat, Christmas modes" you'll probably NEVER use!
I thought synonymous times, the quality of a product can be numerical values define, for example, had Rollei, Leica, Nikon, but for what _ich_ record, an Otto-Normal-camera, and believe me, I earn money with photos and TV contributions (Regional Press).
No company can afford, trash to produce, so the quality is acceptable.
Depends on what the cam should do: Do you want the Kubrick films after spin?
Is you a Hammilitonstreifen before?
Or rather, the cam rather fernsehlike "look, so you then suddenly at the holidays because so overweight never come into the cabin?
Specifically: What do you want to rotate _jetzt_, not sometime later times?
You will be synonymous certain Farbtendenzen or Widergabetreue an objective only in direct comparison with other cameras can determine seldom alone tothe domestic Flimmerkiste, of MyVideo or youtube apart.
I think it is with Helmut Newton:
"If it is too dark and I need additional light, photograph [turn] I do not anymore." His pictures were always good. And the low-light capabilities of the then footage grotte bad.
Get to what is probably the least Macken will get, so mature, where the service problem in the case agrees with what is for you _passend_ and seeing where you say "That's it."
If you like the Cam as a fun tool, you do more and better pictures than if you only because they are the listing data and they've bought einklich you do not "lies".
BTW: The 4-megapixel relate only to the photo resolution, not on the film. But it is still beautiful, two devices (Still Image and video) in one to have.
I have the MVX45i, MVX30i after when an electrical problem, a cheap tripod shoulder, a few batteries and the original WD-34 wide angle converter.
That is all. Additionally halt Tripods, Microphone, light, battery belt, but you'll eventually buy anyway, regardless of your camera.
Good light!
Olli
Antwort von galiod:
So next summer I would like a short film about an auto rotate for a lover.
I will mainly shoot outdoor shoot, it will find the ride sequences rotated and then s.einem place where it stands and will be shot ....
I know that I have to be professional recording equipment to get a loan should be, but I believe you can achieve much through improvisation. it is not perfect shots, but beautiful pictures ....
and if now how come kommentare
panda from a Porsche to make ^ ^
-> You can have a panda to get 140 at running, only the acceleration can not be measured ...
in diesem sinne
Antwort von rtzbild:
Aaaaha now Simmer next step ...
You will need:
First, more and more loaded than you probably Batteries!
A tripod to clean the car to pass;
a shady spot, alternatively, an umbrella, which you like the scattering of the lens keeps away;
a Saugstativ or the "SuperClamp" for Fahraufnahmen, plus the SuperClamp s.der something runtergedrehten side plate mount, Cam still using belt etc. secure!
Possibly. nor a tripod car (with spider rolls), alternatively Furniture Roller Tripod screwed with it for trips to the car.
What synonymous comes very well and the handling of small cameras _wesentlich_ improved, is a handle of the Super-8 time.
Get to every flea market für'n Oiro.
You haelen so small camcorder like a small movie camera, which is clean. What at one time _ohne_ Image Stabilization and highly sensitive film was good, can not be bad now, o)
Images quick'n dirty with a promotional gift Cam:
zum Bild zum Bild Do not believe? Run times with such a small camera; o)
HTH
LG Olli
Antwort von galiod:
I'm often enough with small cameras gone ..: O ^ ^
So I want to rail cars with less work, but I've known I will shortly table a animated kamerakran to build, because the pan on the car, or for (free) on the road quite well farbahn come ... also can be very much free film .. I can imagine ..?
who is in this regard have not yet been informed, may get the page:
http://homebuiltstabilizers.com/
only heartily ...
u
nd with homemade saugstativen I've already made my experience ....
've built one last summer, and I'm not really married outside s.auto manner. but the idea was not bad .. eigtl hab so autoscheibenhebesaugnapf and made a hole appropriate. then with a screw thread for my camcorder which .. but if the suckers keep?
Antwort von rtzbild:
Yes, Stabilizer ...
This is here a lot, there were already synonymous building and product testing posted.
But your self-Kamerakran:
Humans, as here, the user ... EagleEye123 or so?
Isser Here! He has had very little money with a workable crane built, many pictures, very graphically, have times in the forum for "self-built Kamerakran" search.
Do you have the rubber suction cup with a folding handle?
Normally, the very good, so will marble and glass plates are processed. The material is the same as for a more expensive vacuum suction or tripod must stop the disc and clean the rubber wet.
Nevertheless, with Cam strap etc. additionally secure!
HTH
Olli
Antwort von galiod:
So for me was the curvature of the bonnet, the problem ...^^ I'm s.jede stelle from auto (passat) and have tried the things to do, but in my opinion, impossible for curved surfaces ...
you can really kamerakran of a smooth, gentle pans expect?
Antwort von rtzbild:
If you can handle it, yes.
Look at times prof. Productions, where the Cam on the scene or the viewer is floating when the crane once on the Cam is set (weight, slope, gravity, etc.) then makes the mechanik the rest.
Such times here in the forum or on Google then you'll find quite a few things.
The technique is relatively simple, but it is an ingenious system of pipes, cables and pulleys.
Nice article HTH
Olli
Antwort von DMC:
What synonymous comes very well and the handling of small cameras _wesentlich_ improved, is a handle of the Super-8 time.
Get to every flea market für'n Oiro. Suppose I come to any flea market, I can sort through the Inet synonymous order? If yes where? Find me a good idea .. And with the Saugstativ .. I've been umpteen times about how I recorded with the car could make (I have not been in Filmbiz * g *) and in my experiments, I am among other things, this happens:;)
http://www.bilder-hosting.de/show/FKDS5.html
But this is really great! Hab sowas never seen. * g *
Antwort von Bernd E.:
Suppose I come to any flea market, I can sort through the Inet synonymous order? If yes where? If it is, in principle, anywhere, where there are still image and video equipment there. Just search for "pistol grip".
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von rtzbild:
Insider Tip:
Some Super-8 cameras have a removable handle, using tripod screw slightly s.andere cameras dranzumontieren.
Cam and grip in the bay for a Oiro plus transportation; o)
I was s.einer light film on it.
Olli
Antwort von rtzbild:
And with the Saugstativ .. I've been umpteen times about how I recorded with the car could make (I have not been in Filmbiz * g *) and in my experiments, I am among other things, this happens:;)
http://www.bilder-hosting.de/show/FKDS5.html
But this is really great! Hab sowas never seen. * g * What that banner ads come up, or that the Page is not displayed?
Or do you mean the Still Image of the geschrotteten car?
Olli
Antwort von torti3005:
No, a Saugstativ s.sich;)
Antwort von rtzbild:
No, a Saugstativ s.sich;) Where should it be?
I would now prefer the 5-arm gripper take ...
