Frage von r.p.television:
Hello together!
Just the new video journal get active.
There will be an article under the name "The Vollprofis' familiar high-end HDV camcorder like SonyZ1 Canon XH A1 Canon XL H1, JVC HD 201 and Panasonic AG-HVX200 under new criteria, a new test subject.
First is the title of the article has plenty hochgegriffen. But the content or the outcome of the tests I made it very aback.
Only as much relating to Sharpness:
SonyZ1:
very good Canon XL H1: good
SonyFX7: very good
SonyV1: very good
Canon XH G1: Satisfactory
Canon XH A1:
Satisfactory Panasonic HVX200: very good
JVC GY-HD 201: good
Similar unnachvollziehbare test values synonymous in all other criteria.
About the two camcorders and knows their characteristics, is bold in the test values into the mystery comes.
Also, the HVX200 is not known as a miracle sharpness wins here, but the test against the Canons, known to the sharpest picture of all camcorders have listed.
The entire test course, wins the Z1. The XH A1, for example, is only ranked 6th
Here one gets the impression that Canon has forgotten to pay a bill. I hope there's an opinion, based on a mistake herausredet. Otherwise, I will video assets safely delete from my reading, since I do an objective test series can not expect more.
Antwort von tobesdop:
This I see as long as you, little objective of this Issue ...
I do not buy more!
Antwort von r.p.television:
This I see as long as you, little objective of this Issue ...
I do not buy more! The impression I had already synonymous longer! But this article has the whole set up the crown.
Hab mal so the editors with the request for an opinion written. Bin gespannt!
Antwort von vidwalter:
I can only speakers connected. I was in the course of time with some cameras from this Comparison operate, and have sometimes totally different experience with it. It is not for me to understand how to come to this sequence.
The stuff that is printed, I feel almost as a mockery s.seinen customers!
I will AKTIV VIDEO magazines after years of consumption definitely not buy anymore.
Regards
Antwort von Andreas_Kiel:
This I see as long as you, little objective of this Issue ...
I do not buy more! 10 centimeters in the next rack, the magazine "super video actively neutral", which is sponsored Of Canon, next to the house of jvc Postilla called "objektivermarktbeobachter".
With appropriate equipment and the right will, I'm going to write
any camera better than any other. One must just cleverly hiding :-) here it was more likely to (the mass of readers rather not).
The only disillusionment, what "objective test" is concerned.
:-(((
Andreas
Antwort von smooth-appeal:
Somehow must stop finance journals.
I get Money synonymous for Vista which I do poorly and Canon lobe ;-)
Antwort von Jan:
404ERR
Antwort von r.p.television:
Whether the poor basic settings to the sharpness of digital video assets relate, I can not say. I think they were synonymous not excited about the CA's. But they will still have to submit.
The sharpness of the A1 is in the factory setting very sharp. Some even take it a bit back. Only the colors are very pale. So if even the sharpness criterion separately in the present classification, it is almost laughable, the Z1 a "Very good" for the XH A1 but only a "satisfactory" to give. Conversely, would be reasonable. Lustig is synonymous that the XL H1, the same image sensor as the A1 and has at least in the sharpness really no differences for a "Good" gets. Here I am plain arbitrariness, evil intent, ignorance or a mistake.
You can not just be beautiful.
Antwort von tobesdop:
So I'm not the only one on the tests of the video asset smiles? : D
Well, alone vs. the EX1. Comparison-HVX200 was ...
And then the HDV-test ... sigh
Gruß Dennis
Antwort von C.I.W:
I have been a few months ago on the PC video transition. I have not regretted it ... and these magazines will cost only 5 ¬ with dead blow
Antwort von r.p.television:
PC video kenn ich gar nicht. Are you computer-video?
In that case I would agree with you. Their article is substantially sound.
Antwort von C.I.W:
No, I am speaking of PC video. Although there is synonymous s.and to go to Mac.
Antwort von PowerMac:
Sharpness equal sharpness. The sharpness of the impression HVX200 is for me other than the Canon XH A1.
Antwort von Ron:
This I see as long as you, little objective of this Issue ...
I do not buy more!
The impression I had already synonymous longer! But this article has the whole set up the crown.
Hab mal so the editors with the request for an opinion written. Bin gespannt! I would be interested in what the editorial says, but please write if you get an answer - I think the test results very synonymous .... questionable
Ron
Antwort von r.p.television:
Sharpness equal sharpness. The sharpness of the impression HVX200 is for me other than the Canon XH A1. Then you can yes some, but not with such a school engage in unfounded assessment.
I would not say so synonymous that SonyZ1 a bad camera, but in terms of sharpness, it is clearly inferior to A1. Since no one will say something else, with the two cameras worked.
The sharpness of the HVX200 assessment could be due to the 4:2:2 Farbsampling and finer subscribed unanimously regarded as a color if the color here an important role in the test areas. The Picture is subjective at first sight so blurred not synonymous, but in direct comparison with the A1 you missed details.
And that difference means to me sharpness. Kantenaufsteilung is not everything.
Antwort von WeiZen:
It seems like the CA is not synonymous and that nice Kantenaufsteilung s.der A1 Mosquito with its artifacts via HDMI. Over component, it is the Mosquito with less artifacts. Anyone who is allergic to CA, especially for metallic objects, will s.der A1 never let a good hair. Test chart are not everything. Undeniably, the A1 is sharper but at what price? I was pleased with the test clips of the A1, (original m2t's) I have ever seen ever.
Ultimately, the overall picture impression is always subjective, one can see from the charts of test. Lens has the A1 Mosquito artifacts and CA, what is so in the Z1 does not exist. All this is relative to the normal distance vision, you do not kelbt front panel 10cm, so you see something.
This posting is intended only as a notice, which the newspaper could have seen, action could have, if it is not a misprint. And no, I did not what with Canon, even with Sony, even with the newspaper s.Hut.
Antwort von r.p.television:
So I'm not the only one on the tests of the video asset smiles? : D
Well, alone vs. the EX1. Comparison-HVX200 was ...
And then the HDV-test ... sigh
Gruß Dennis Now I have the article EX1 vs. HVX200 synonymous read times.
"Sigh" it is true in part quite well. Next I will not go ....
Antwort von r.p.television:
It seems like the CA is not synonymous and that nice Kantenaufsteilung s.der A1 Mosquito with its artifacts via HDMI. Over component, it is the Mosquito with less artifacts. Anyone who is allergic to CA, especially for metallic objects, will s.der A1 never let a good hair. Test chart are not everything. Undeniably, the A1 is sharper but at what price? I was pleased with the test clips of the A1, (original m2t's) I have ever seen ever.
Ultimately, the overall picture impression is always subjective, one can see from the charts of test. Lens has the A1 Mosquito artifacts and CA, what is so in the Z1 does not exist. All this is relative to the normal distance vision, you do not kelbt front panel 10cm, so you see something.
This posting is intended only as a notice, which the newspaper could have seen, action could have, if it is not a misprint. And no, I did not what with Canon, even with Sony, even with the newspaper s.Hut. What are Mosquito artifacts? The term I do not know. Do you Grieseln the fine, if you monitor is 30cm in front of?
The CA should be with the one in this price class do not exaggerate, finally suffer HD optics with a value of 30000 euro in the same mass underneath. Sometimes even a little worse.
The Z1 has synonymous CA, but because of their softer image, it is not so. It has generally a quieter Picture, but also synonymous Picture from the soft stems.
And because of the Kantenaufsteilung: Since the Z1 significantly more than the Canon in the factory setting.
But generally expected shortcomings as CA and "Mosquito artifacts" in the assessment of "sharpness" are introduced, but by image errors.
All this has neither hands nor feet. Or why does the G1 when autofocus a "Good" - the A1 "Very good". This technique is identical s.Werkeln.
Antwort von WeiZen:
Very small artifacts are in the sky blue or Himmelsgrau.
Appended CA
Antwort von tobesdop:
Obviously, in any case, that all opinions and assessments bez. sharpness of performance (and more important picture of the performance in general) of HDV and other Halbprofiformaten until now such a blur at the level of assessments to move that up to now no clear conclusions are possible.
Antwort von PowerMac:
I can not understand. Scientifically, the phenomenon of "sharpness" quite clearly outlined. The video magazine should only measure what "Sharpness" actually is. The only question is whether this "measurement" then not to be subjective or qualitative. Most people hold much more of hard numbers and facts. Therefore, the magazines are very popular on-line sharpness boards. I know the article in the video is not active, but I think that there sharpness synonymous with other factors has been received, as only the pure lines of resolution.
Antwort von salinger:
Film as art object, has, like any other art only one goal, to arouse emotions.
This awakening can be done very differently.
But the sharpness of the material is relatively little role, except when it comes to uncomfortable.
Antwort von r.p.television:
Film as art object, has, like any other art only one goal, to arouse emotions.
This awakening can be done very differently.
But the sharpness of the material is relatively little role, except when it comes to uncomfortable. Well, then we can again turn on VHS ...
Fun aside.
Of course, one should not be on different technical levels herumhacken, but HDV is now still a relatively new medium and different times of DV is of the sharpness or higher resolution. Therefore, the sharpness synonymous usually the first and for many but the main point of such tests is listed.
And a magazine that published tests, this should be in the interest of end users do. Someone who is interested, that he gets the schärsfte Picture should be able to rely on that in such a test synonymous actually reflected the will, what the individual cameras hergeben. But he bought the magazines.
This is clearly not the case.
A less-informed film could be tempting to imagine a Z1 to buy, although he is much less money at least equal XH A1 and gets in the sharpness and color some drauflegt.
Antwort von salinger:
How would it be with a star march on the editors of the magazine?
Antwort von Bernd E.:
Funny ... that is synonymous the XL H1, the same image sensor as the A1 and has at least in the sharpness really no differences for a "Good" gets ... Since the focus is not necessarily something with the sensor has to do (but for example in a high degree of synonymous Lens depends), I could already imagine that the H1 with the other optics in the test laboratory metrologically another focus lies down as a result of the A1. The question should be - as always with such a test - of course, be the extent to which such a difference in the practice during normal recording rates, or whether he is still visible (I know, yes you have both cameras). That is just a general comment, because this active video test, I have not read.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von Axel:
Who as a result of such evaluation in a Magazine buys something, is itself to blame. Why are agencies such as the Internet and
Slashcam in particular? When I consider my leg to amputate, I trust only the articles in the pharmacy Umschau (of which I may have overlooked that it is a display for a stair lift) or inform me fully?
I advise skepticism to these questions about the veracity of generally accepted truths. Such a seemingly self-evident truth:
Resolutionist with an HD Camera, the decisive criterion. If it were, should only SonyEX-1 and the small CMOS Schlampen say.
If so, would the Z1 is no longer seriously debated, and the HVX 200 would cause compassionate head.
In real life, the HVX nose ahead when compared to images and not just pixel count, the Z1 is, for whatever reason always synonymous, the choice of most professionals and the A1 the choice of amateurs, the billboard read insiders'tip .
Next Truth:
Choosing the right camera, I meet an objective. And the next:
Only with a werd ich glücklich.
Antwort von Quadruplex:
The truth lies in my opinion, in the middle.
Without the concrete history of video assets to know: If I only relied on the stuff, what's going on here and certainly in other forums is, I would be pure often synonymous already fallen. Plühenter Plötzinn found in abundance on the net - here synonymous.
My Conclusion after regular reading of various leaves: The magazines will be hairy if the test results only after measurable targets. Because, as the experts here know only a part of reality. We were here so recently read about your camcorder, the chromatic aberration at a fixed focal simply wegrechnen. When a measurement would be those things that is great because, when you zoom, it will be ugly bunt in the Picture. A good test should be practical measurements and combine.
This test has the form but the problem with the erbsenzählenden readers. The device had never in his hand, put just the numbers side by side and then around grumbling that the camcorder with the lower reading score has improved.
Long story short, Beinm reading - no preference whether the network or when printed - the mind on.
Antwort von Andreas_Kiel:
I advise skepticism to these questions about the veracity of generally accepted truths. Such a seemingly self-evident truth: Resolutionist with an HD Camera, the decisive criterion.
If it were, should only SonyEX-1 and the small CMOS Schlampen say.
Exactly to the point! There is a Camera, which in its price class, the sharpest pictures ", and another (despite being released three years ago, but nothing will be compared anyway), here as" Unscharfkamera "has been described.
Something like this is then synonymous in many of the same people who these alleged crisp sharpness (with "Mosquitogrieseln" for free) ekelig find, because it is not a "film look" is. The much calmer picture of the competition, a bit softer, perhaps, comes the film may look closer, however, is still shit.
This contradiction is to me someone please explain :-)
BG, Andreas
Antwort von xandix:
This I see as long as you, little objective of this Issue ...
I do not buy more!
The impression I had already synonymous longer! But this article has the whole set up the crown.
Hab mal so the editors with the request for an opinion written. Bin gespannt! That is the impression I have now synonymous!
I have subscribed to the magazine and find the "results" strange ....
Synonymous, I'm very excited about the opinion of the editors!
Antwort von PowerMac:
(...) I advise skepticism to these questions about the veracity of generally accepted truths. (...) How to justify your personal epistemological conviction? What is it? Relativism? Relative skepticism?
Antwort von Quadruplex:
So - now I looked at the issue concerned synonymous ...
Honestly, I understand the excitement is not. And, sorry, rptelevision: You seem a pea of the counters to be louder before the details keep an eye on all lose.
The overall verdict is the range of 'very good' to 'good', the entire screen is touch with all the candidates' very good '.
Only the sharpness, there's the aforementioned span of Dir. In a must, I'm going to quite give what was judged as scales, remains synonymous for me after reading unclear. Since the testers would have something more to write.
But in the above-mentioned, low total spread (ten-point difference at a maximum of 100) again with the usual Schmonzes to come ( "Canon (has) forget to pay a bill") is no evidence but a bit cheap. Would you do that synonymous written if Sonyeine only "satisfactory" sharpness get it?
And if you look at the Conclusion: "We no WINNERS SELECTION - incomparable to the candidates' - do you not synonymous, that a purchased test läs differently?
So: keep the ball flat. However, if you have contact with those: you let it out to explain how the sharpness assessment comes and then reports. As I said - without the camcorder to know: I puzzle synonymous what was measured or how geguckt was subjective. Since missing even the usual sample photos.
Edit: The thing I was interested but now. At least some of candidates can be found on the Video Active Page examples. They are of course synonymous with caution (JPG artifacts, sometimes they were made at 1920 x 1080 stretched, sometimes not, maybe with 'nem drüber deinterlacer) and as long as I do not even moving images even on a screen look familiar to me can , I will be careful, because 'ne definitive opinion.
So I got the screen of the Canon G1, the V1 and SonyFX7 and angeguckt. The image of course agree not :-( But the Canon is noticeably softer picture than the Sony. I repeat it again: This is the impression of these photos.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... High-end HDV camcorder like ... Panasonic AG-HVX200 ... Times throughout the storm in the water because of the sharpness tests left out: If the "video active" than the actual HVX200 HDV Camera? Such an assignment could s.der me really doubt the editorial expertise.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von Quadruplex:
Does the "video active" than the actual HVX200 HDV Camera? Then beating the booklet, I still look at ...
"Only when one has not the beginning of HDV joined: Panasonic. Admittedly, the AG-HVX 200 from the test field synonymous a Mini-DV drive, but that he only videos in DV format."
Antwort von Axel:
(...) I advise skepticism to these questions about the veracity of generally accepted truths. (...)
How to justify your personal epistemological conviction? What is it? Relativism? Relative skepticism? Well, I have already thought about Socrates' sentence
"I know that I do not know." But here's me not to such philosophical bottomless. Also not to challenge the facts (such as the size of chips). But I do believe that the
generally accepted conclusions are worthless, if I now turn to the same conclusions come or not. And because they, by their general acceptance, and greatly simplified ver
allgemeinert them.
With an HD camera is certainly the resolution no uninteresting point. This point is confirmed by the seller in media markets is certainly very stressed. As a result, the ill-informed buyer attaches Resolutioneine of similar importance as the tail size. This comparison is very apt.
The more information you have a camera can find comparison pictures, experiences on problems, to borrow the equipment, the less this is just a point to assess influence.
Honestly, I understand the excitement is not. And, sorry, rptelevision: You seem a pea of the counters to be louder before the details keep an eye on all lose. Here rptelevision (even, I think, probably dami owner and fan of the Canons), for example, the generally accepted truth milked:
Test magazines are corrupt. ... and everyone, myself included, have joined the outcry connected. This is reflected by the above posting, that the assessment would read better as:
Test journals can not make any law, they can be wrong.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... Then I suggest the issue again on ... Thank you for your trouble! Because I should be after the issue still get ... If it continues, gets rptelevision s.Ende a letter of thanks from the active-video distribution for the successful funding of the retail sales ;-)
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von r.p.television:
So - now I looked at the issue concerned synonymous ...
Honestly, I understand the excitement is not. And, sorry, rptelevision: You seem a pea of the counters to be louder before the details keep an eye on all lose.
The overall verdict is the range of 'very good' to 'good', the entire screen is touch with all the candidates' very good '.
Only the sharpness, there's the aforementioned span of Dir. In a must, I'm going to quite give what was judged as scales, remains synonymous for me after reading unclear. Since the testers would have something more to write.
But in the above-mentioned, low total spread (ten-point difference at a maximum of 100) again with the usual Schmonzes to come ( "Canon (has) forget to pay a bill") is no evidence but a bit cheap. Would you do that synonymous written if Sonyeine only "satisfactory" sharpness get it?
And if you look at the Conclusion: "We no WINNERS SELECTION - incomparable to the candidates' - do you not synonymous, that a purchased test läs differently?
So: keep the ball flat. However, if you have contact with those: you let it out to explain how the sharpness assessment comes and then reports. As I said - without the camcorder to know: I puzzle synonymous what was measured or how geguckt was subjective. Since missing even the usual sample photos. Maybe I'm in this respect peas counter.
I have this book next to the computer-video long subscribed. In VAD, I now have long been on that alternate times Sony, Canon and times synonymous Panasonic over-or untervorteilt be. Maybe I imagined it to me synonymous. It was synonymous everything within a reasonable framework.
But here no more.
You write quite correctly that the total-point distances were very close together. Therefore, small points criteria, such as the XH A1 and XH G1 haarsträubenderweise only a "Satisfactory" will have relevance for the total number of points. Knapp or not. Many see it yet.
And yes, I did synonymous excited when any of Sonyein satisfactory would get because they are not synonymous deserved. It has been a much softer picture, but a "satisfactory" suggests something much worse and is not in the same scale as the difference actually fails.
The fact that the Canons the befriegend get is, of course, so incredible.
I have to the JVC, the FX7 and the V1 camcorder with each of these worked and some s.Footage in the archive. I even had time a Z1, and then sold an XL H1 and XH A1 bought, because it is crunchy Picture liked better. Subjective impression of sharpness or not. I believe it is already occupied, that I with the assessment, this test is unfunded and wrong, are not alone.
Moreover, not only in the strange reviews sharpness. If two to a few different details identical camcorder reviews for the auto get (A1 & G1) is synonymous very strange.
I'm nobody synonymous (more), which is due to the tests in this booklet a CameraLink buys. There are, fortunately, the Internet, with many opinions that are reflected there.
It's just strange, because when a new test of old cameras out of the hat will gezaubert in which those results will come out.
I have already registered the Conclusion and the scarce synonymous points spacing. When individual points are incorrectly assessed, the course in some s.Bewegung ranking.
There are people synonymous - and this is certainly not a few, after a sharp camera and looking through this value influence. Not for nothing is the sharpness criteria as king discipline quite strikingly above.
And those who are in such a test to see a buy recommendation, are not stupid, but perhaps even older and less fit in the Internet.
The booklet costs ¬ 7.50 to defeat a relatively large amount of ads. Here it is next to objectivity very sound
Antwort von Werner Küster:
Can only agree. In Issue June / July 2007 Issue 4 got as the XH-G1 assessment "very good" synonymous in the price / performance ratio "Very good".
I am not shy after 43 years of film, video and Fotogrfie the tests carried out as a user. Each comes with the moment of subjective assessment into swimming. Not regret the camera tests in Slashcam used to have. Because I did this test, the Canon XH-A1 with all sorts of fuss bought and am not disappointed. Incidentally, the camera since the beginning of May 2007.
Antwort von Quadruplex:
404ERR
Antwort von r.p.television:
The following state:
My letter s.VAD:
Dear editorial! Today I heard my new video and get active with interest the article Vollprofis pursued synonymous in the last test a new series of well-known high-end HDV camcorder has been revisited. Unfortunately, I and my colleagues the results (especially in the sharpness criteria) do not understand. Rather, we came to the conclusion that this Canon was deliberately undervalued. I hope it is a misprint. Otherwise I would have to cancel my subscription because I have a test of journal expect absolute objectivity. Test results should not be of the volume of publicity circuit can be influenced. LG Mike
Dear rptelevision,
the accusation of corruption, I must in the strongest terms to reject. VIDEO AKTIV would scarcely 25 years old, if we ever had to buy. That is, sorry, absolutely ridiculous. Especially as our authors do not even know who advertises in the magazine and the tests long before any advertising has been completed. How such a pairing of ads and tests at all possible, is unclear.
What are the thing we have in the article explains that we, the new, tighter and more sensitive testing synonymous to the previously measured HD (V)-camcorder use (the notes will have been led in the rankings, here are the first synonymous Individual scores are listed). If you now of the bribery allegations apart, in the case with our test-and Messingenieuren want to discuss, then you can write to:
Addresses deleted! rptelevision Only quite clear: The accusation of corruption is not only outrageous, but synonymous absurd.
Yours sincerely,
Hans Ernst
Editorship
This will I do now synonymous. More response than I deny strict for now synonymous not expected.
Time watching what Mr. Biebel replied.
Antwort von r.p.television:
Update:
Have now written to Mr. Biebel. Hope I can explain.
Dear Mr.
Biebel!
I have been more than a decade, readers of these magazines (synonymous when it changed name several times).
I have the Test series is always issued with interest and in previous years, these synonymous my own experience.
Lately I can not various test results according to customs, in
which case it is by no means likely to act.
In the article "The Vollprofis" dip test values but now that I befriended and colleagues could not understand.
Particularly in the sharpness criteria obtains a Sony Z1, which no doubt a nice HDV Picture produced, but clearly not as sharp as an XH A1, XL H1 or XH G1 is a "very good".
The last three cameras to obtain strangely only once "Good" (XL H1) and two "satisfactory" (XH A1 & G1).
Numerous tests of other magazines, internet forums and the experiences of other users come to a result exactly opposite. And I Z1 no "satisfactory" would give. There is then still too good.
I was caught at the idea that this is deliberately Manufacturer untervorteilt was. I would but a typographical error or
error in setting the table much better.
If this is not so, and I would be synonymous with the readership Slashcam.de very interested to know how to assess the sharpness of these models come from?
They oppose so yes your own tests of past periods in which the Canons, the sharper your pictures attested.
And why the XH A1 has a better (very good) auto-evaluation than the more expensive XH G1 (well). This is largely identical s.Werkeln technology, and if so, then the G1 but is likely due to the selected components better result.
Also, I am new to the Z1 a better stabilizer than the XH-sisters has. And the HVX200 gets in the sharpness is also a very good, although earlier in your magazines and other synonymous her a not so detailed or sharp picture was attested. I myself am also come to this assessment.
In principle, they all experience levels, the various owners of these cameras are synonymous and your own previous test results.
This can really None of the readers to understand.
I used to own Z1 obsessed, they one and a half years against the XL H1, traded, because it is sharper picture without Kantenaufsteilung better liked. Moreover, I had the manifold possibilities of the Bildparamter already worth a change. Since half a year I have an additional XH A1. In various productions process but I still material FX1/Z1, HVX200 and now even the EX1. So I have provided a picture of the strengths and weaknesses of the various HD (V)-camcorder. Unfortunately, this coincides not with the new test. Also, I am certainly not s.verletztem owners pride, because cameras in my possession here partially bad. I know their strengths and let me not irretieren.
But in principle, should such tests, which many readers as a purchase recommendation understand, error-free and objective. In this test could anyone think he needed 6,000
euros for the Z1 to spend when he at least half of the equal if not better camera gets. An uninformed reader could but in the assessment "satisfactory" will be discouraged.
I would be very grateful to you a statement of opinion or to get where they are specifically geared to the results received in the sharpness and foundation, as to these results have come. Also, the different values of stabilizer and autofocus (Z1 vs. XHs) would interest me.
MFG
Antwort von Jan:
No worry, Video Active and other synonymous Mags Read Slashcam, Hacker Movies and Video forum etc, well you might want here in the forum does not lead to a continuing debate can ravish.
If VAD really had said the HVX 200 is an HDV camera, then it was a gaffe, so it must not normally happen, but we make mistakes all the time.
This one was, one or other of you probably know Dieter Küppersbusch - Video of the training of professional Canon HDV par.
Even when he has the Canon roadshow in Munich 2007 verblabbert. How about the wording: "HDV is a high definition signal, in which Canon, Sony, JVC and Panasonic participate ....." - Panasonic has never joined in HDV! I got me a year ago is not synonymous interrogated, as my colleague beside me Fehgler synonymous immediately noticed.
Well so is this ..
And once again Canon HG 10 & HV 20 has been beyond all measure in VAD praised more than any Sonyand Panasonic models.
Ok, there was synonymous take a test at Consumer VAD - JVC MG 255 & 275, there were I think, where 2 models with equivalent technology (same processor, same sensor size, same resolution, same model series) Picture two different tests were given.
The question is, of course - we are at times - p.70, 1% grade school's good if the other camera then gets 68.5% - is it satisfactory. This can s.den Messdifferenzen lie.
Here it is 1.6% which is nothing, whether good or satisfactory, however, is quite a difference. As is sometimes clearly "aufgegeilt".
VG
Jan
Antwort von Benn:
The question is, of course - we are at times - p.70, 1% grade school's good if the other camera then gets 68.5% - is it satisfactory. This can s.den Messdifferenzen lie.
Here it is 1.6% which is nothing, whether good or satisfactory, however, is quite a difference. As is sometimes clearly "aufgegeilt".
Sure, but each of these tests do not always go according to purely quantitative score which objectively grades convert to leave, because much of the key outside by a few simple tests in the laboratory is measurable, and each tester a bit "balancing" effect on a measure will take (such as the VAD otherwise synonymous always does), so just s.Ende one to the feeling and the experience, just note rauskommt because s.Ende counts for the readers and not the 68 or 68.5%
Benn
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... My letter s.VAD: ... we came to the conclusion that this Canon was deliberately undervalued ... Test results should not be of the volume of advertising circuit influenced ... Such assertions up, is very strong tobacco, and the legitimate request for information is too hard / not traceable test results half a crusade to make is something that now I can not understand. Fortunately, yes I do not synonymous. Respect but the reaction of active video! My answer would be not quite so politely failed - but this may be due to synonymous, that I as a former editor of special issues of regional daily newspaper the problem of the other know. Halber security should be added that I have no connections to the editorial staff of video have actively. I'm not even a subscriber.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von PowerMac:
Sometime it is! rptelevision you insinuation that the worst Magazine what is there in journalism: corruptibility. And although extremely unfunded and without any proof. You can test a detail not understand. Yes, and? Since you can demand more accurately. The test may even be wrong. He can be invented. What always synonymous! Estimated that there is only a qualitative and subjective impression of sharpness in it. You react the same, as one would imagine a testicle amputated. You do not have the idea of a proof for your assertion really huge bribery. I think it is simply impossible not brash and rather unintelligent. You should contact the chief editor for your ridiculous assertion really apologize. The allegation has not rudimentary something with the event (discussion or clarification is needed in the details of a test) to be done. Besides being inappropriate and unproven has been established. I find this extremely impossible.
Antwort von r.p.television:
Sometime it is! rptelevision you insinuation that the worst Magazine what is there in journalism: corruptibility. And although extremely unfunded and without any proof. You can test a detail not understand. Yes, and? Since you can demand more accurately. The test may even be wrong. He can be invented. What always synonymous! Estimated that there is only a qualitative and subjective impression of sharpness in it. You react the same, as one would imagine a testicle amputated. You do not have the idea of a proof for your assertion really huge bribery. I think it is simply impossible not brash and rather unintelligent. You should contact the chief editor for your ridiculous assertion really apologize. The allegation has not rudimentary something with the event (discussion or clarification is needed in the details of a test) to be done. Besides being inappropriate and unproven has been established. I find this extremely impossible. Hello?
Did I use the word bribery or a clear accusation ausgesprochent? Exact times, please read! On corruption of the word is the editor of quite come alone.
Admittedly, of course, was easily a relationship with my last sentence in the first mail producible. But
by mistake, because in this hardship I have not really meant.
Maybe it was my expression provocative, unreasonable and in this context is unclear.
I will therefore synonymous with said editor apologize because I am just by the additional reflection here is not to suggest that I accuse of gross corruption of VAD. This was never my intention and content if the rübergekommen it is now, I apologize for ever synonymous here.
And who is doing the real work and my email s.Herrn Biebel reads will already know that I am unequivocally expressed and no blame game to have, because if not I wanted that Mr. Biebel my statement also exaggerates interpreted.
If others respond here and confirm my suspicion and an exaggerated feeling arises, I can not for.
I have with this statement with the ads not be approached direct bribery. Since I myself would doubt that, first, secondly, a manufacturer and publishing director to such a piece of hussars would ravish leave. But several orders in which species synonymous always such a magazine now times may finance charge sympathies and preferences trigger. That may now many in the publishing and Journaslimus operate again as infamous falsehood and speculation, but synonymous journalists are people, their personal preferences in the objective garb umstricken. I am advertising or has other synonymous nothing to do with it.
I doubt either objectivity or proper playback of a test. This is the Kernausage my thread.
There are two other dealers in Munich, who helped me first to the currently somewhat strange test results for VAD attention. And these dealers carry both as synonymous SONY Canon products. To prevent any accusations.
And they have very pronounced direct blame, which in this context I do not have repeated and will not synonymous. Also because they too are unfunded and adventurous. Furthermore I would then actually guilty of character assassination. Even if I just quote someone without his thoughts to share. Moreover it would distance myself participating in a four-eye meeting to call and quote.
But the statements of the dealer, I was confirmed with a thread here, the quality and objectivity of the tests in VAD to question.
I've always aware of the alternative of an error or typographical error left open. When I write here, I am pushing the idea on a Manufacturer übervorteilt would be, then this is a conjecture. Unfunded. I am concerned. But do not blame.
And when I write, my first thought was that "here Canon has forgotten to pay a bill!"
Antwort von salinger:
Öööh, now here are the "fear-makers' already active, now makes the nice times rpt not broken. He is annoyed about holding such "test results" and he explains why. The assumption is not synonymous to him, not what he has written. Further "scare-mongering" but nothing brings people ...
Antwort von salinger:
Feed envy, PowerMac?
The monopoly on insulting insinuations you probably do not want to just give up a fight, right?
From scientific work you seem to have little idea. "Survey" ... lol! Are you stupid, because the manager has on the monitor did nothing to see. Have you finally found your dream partner? If he is muscular, well built and smells good? Even with understanding, with an attractive face, has soft lips and kisses damned good? Fine! Your subject line is still stupid. In my imagination I associate vorurteilsbehafteten "B. DeKid" with a 16-year-olds of the Hauptschule, the filminteressiert is. Under the motto: Have angelesen little real experience, not intellect. Who knows, maybe he is synonymous 18th
Antwort von PowerMac:
Exactly. Food envy for the Rottweiler. Chappi No more for me today. Bribery is not Leckerli, but have a hard bone. Much harder than other silly poodle anzukläffen.
Antwort von salinger:
Labbe're a ...
Antwort von PowerMac:
Labbe're a ... Nope, a Schlabbes ...
my Labrador.
Antwort von katikula:
... I know you are not synonymous ...
... And as far as I know you ... Well what now?
...
I think it's good, the times synonymous Sony "won" has ...
PS Who says that is behind mbiebel @ ... Mr. Biebel and not a
woman Biebel hidden?
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... Do I have ... a clear accusation ausgesprochent? ... Absolutely:
... Test results should not be of the volume of publicity circuit can be influenced. LG Mike ... Good that you now distanzierst of this allegation, because the Blue into such serious allegations to collect indiskutabel and is simply the case at issue here is absolutely not helpful.
... As if one of yesterday to today, has decided "we do not like Canon more!". This impression may of course be wrong, but I was not the only one to such a conclusion was ... Such conclusions, I know from newspaper of earlier times: The article could still be factually correct, there was every now and then readers - both private business people as synonymous - which with any statement disagreed. Then it was with the editor, the newspaper even better as a whole, the culprit is quickly found. And anyone who has never seen the inside of editorial was presented with expert Miene found that you knew so precisely how the procedure: As the editor of times to acquire a small gift and already appeared in "perfect" article.
Sure, there were companies which display orders of a benevolent editorial coverage depends wanted to do. There were not very serious business, and with a clear information on the legal situation and the self-understanding of the editorial was the suggestion from the table - the ads have been well over 90 percent of cases, moreover, still running. A publishing house, based on such illegal business would be letting Chen, scoops his own grave, because neither the advertisers nor other readers would like a long leave. Sorry for the novel, but will react to such accusations, I still allergic, synonymous if I no longer in print work area. Now I am anxious to clarify the issues by the testing laboratory!
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von Quadruplex:
xxxx@medienbureau.de Markus Meister! Could you men a spam avalanche and save the email links removed? I have here on the Fast no way found the Lord rp to explain how it's done ...
Antwort von Quadruplex:
There are two other dealers in Munich, who helped me first to the currently somewhat strange test results for VAD attention. And these dealers carry both as synonymous SONY Canon products. To prevent any accusations. Without me here in similar, non-provable public places to be made as you want: What I have in trade s.Imkompetenz and ignorance have experienced, goes on no cowhide. And to me it is unfortunately already happened a few times that dealer or seller with its semi-unhealthy about tests (no preference whether your camcorder or other) have hergezogen have. If you then follow-nachgeschaut or has the story mostly in pleasure dissolved.
Antwort von katikula:
Ultimately, the best test of its own, then you can pass on subjective. The one who sells nothing s.besten is still in a position to carry out a test. Did the test used in Slashcam and am not disappointed.
People drescht no straw, this is wonderful "hobby" for the hobby "moving pictures" incorporated.
Antwort von Werner Küster:
Posted earlier:
Sorry, forgot my application to carry out, or was not quick enough
Werner Küster
Antwort von katikula:
Well, let's wait for the answer from the video asset test laboratory - would be really interesting to know how to own, partly, to their own statements opposing results ...
Antwort von katikula:
Why are the people of Video Active is not the case?
Antwort von Quadruplex:
Why are the people of Video Active is not the case? You can read?
Antwort von Andreas_Kiel:
Why are the people of Video Active is not the case? Why should they?
Antwort von r.p.television:
... Do I have ... a clear accusation ausgesprochent? ...
Absolutely:
... Test results should not be of the volume of publicity circuit can be influenced. LG Mike ...
Good that you now distanzierst of this allegation, because the Blue into such serious allegations to collect indiskutabel and is simply the case at issue here is absolutely not helpful.
Exactly this phrase in connection with the previous synonymous was precisely the reason why I am the editor and Martin Biebel had apologized. I lit up again after reading my own words their interpretation of a Bestechlichkeitsvorwurfes On. My statement was never meant as an accusation, but as a euphemism, what impression the test series could make.
... As if one of yesterday to today, has decided "we do not like Canon more!". This impression may of course be wrong, but I was not the only one to such a conclusion was ...
Such conclusions, I know from newspaper of earlier times: The article could still be factually correct, there was every now and then readers - both private business people as synonymous - which with any statement disagreed. Then it was with the editor, the newspaper even better as a whole, the culprit is quickly found. And anyone who has never seen the inside of editorial was presented with expert Miene found that you knew so precisely how the procedure: As the editor of times to acquire a small gift and already appeared in "perfect" article.
Sure, there were companies which display orders of a benevolent editorial coverage depends wanted to do. There were not very serious business, and with a clear information on the legal situation and the self-understanding of the editorial was the suggestion from the table - the ads have been well over 90 percent of cases, moreover, still running. A publishing house, based on such illegal business would be letting Chen, scoops his own grave, because neither the advertisers nor other readers would like a long leave. Sorry for the novel, but will react to such accusations, I still allergic, synonymous if I no longer in print work area. Now I am anxious to clarify the issues by the testing laboratory!
Even with this quote of me I would have hoped to emphasize that it is an act engage in unfounded impression. So how in the heat battle ds like a referee to blame for the club defeat zuschiebt - although you inwardly know that this accusation is most likely nonsense. I would have liked more time to take the phrase, which I did not have yesterday.
rptelevision has written the following:
There are two other dealers in Munich, who helped me first to the currently somewhat strange test results for VAD attention. And these dealers carry both as synonymous SONY Canon products. To prevent any accusations.
Without me here in similar, non-provable public places to be made as you want: What I have in trade s.Imkompetenz and ignorance have experienced, goes on no cowhide. And to me it is unfortunately already happened a few times that dealer or seller with its semi-unhealthy about tests (no preference whether your camcorder or other) have hergezogen have. If you then follow-nachgeschaut or has the story mostly in pleasure dissolved. I know what you mean and I have not mentioned it here when it comes to statements of Media market vendors, etc. which, until very few exceptions, mostly a nothing
Antwort von Axel:
All's Well That Ends Well Hats off, rptelevision. Five are just the opposite of war and destruction costs. Perhaps there is in the next issue of Video Active a small correction. If there is not bitchy, maybe then you would like to thank you especially for your reference.
Nevertheless, in the case found that a printed statement does not need to believe, synonymous if you personally for the authors to show good holds.
Antwort von Jan:
No. Ahnug whether Slashcam for video asset is important, or as ernennenswert kept.
In an edition of Video Active was Slashcam times mentioned as a positive forum (fora comparison of German, Austrian and Swiss video forums), just as Hackermovies and the video forum, etc.
Well on the quality of Slashcam can sometimes yes! quarrel, but the Forum exerts quite a lot of pressure.
With many camera models, one with a Google Page initially at a Slashcamartikel out and not with the original manufacturer.
Well, I've often mentioned here VAD, as a whole I am satisfied synonymous, at least in the consumer tests are concerned. Your search on the page for consumer film - a camera - looking good is synonymous made.
Mic tests and tests of light, just like the NLE tests are quite well done.
Why the identical model at a time when good and others escaped bedfriedigend is, yes, I had the JVC MG described test - measurement s.irgendeiner figure there must be a good stop and give a satisfactory. If it is there but identical models (A1 & G1) could & should be? but the editor synonymous with Messdifferenzen give the same note.
And please listen to those with flat statements on all media market sellers are stupid. Especially when there are a lot of HDV Shop sellers (often elderly) are not the whiff of a plan have. You can stündenlose discus ion on narrow film show - yes it is true.
How do I do this?
I'm in training (Canon & Sony) on, often to 90% of stores used. The statements of the participants in relation to HDV & AVCHD are partially amateurhatft, which begins, that the mass does not know it HDV 1 & 2 are 6 and GOP GOP structure 12 is used or 1280x720 or 1440x1080i P. During the last Canon Roadshow (2007) I had in the meantime questions for Mr. Küppersbusch part with the head shake, because even simple HDV basics of some specialty vendors still are not clear.
I'm not great, the synonymous I never said to me as if the Saturn employees back under way.
VG
Jan
Antwort von r.p.television:
And please listen to those with flat statements on all media market sellers are stupid. I would never claim a lump sum synonymous. I know a former seller ProMarkt Branch, now even in a video magazine for free ;-)
Because I know that some stores have the luck involved there, or even semi Amateuerfilmer camera men (like you, I think) as the seller may have employed, I have the word "few exceptions" is used.
However, it is unfortunately true that the greater part employed in such discounters sellers except the price and coarse details not play it.
Antwort von r.p.television:
I'm in training (Canon & Sony) on, often to 90% of stores used. The statements of the participants in relation to HDV & AVCHD are partially amateurhatft, which begins, that the mass does not know it HDV 1 & 2 are 6 and GOP GOP structure 12 is used or 1280x720 or 1440x1080i P. During the last Canon Roadshow (2007) I had in the meantime questions for Mr. Küppersbusch part with the head shake, because even simple HDV basics of some specialty vendors still are not clear.
There are of course the specialist you described, the fact of HDV have no idea. The results from an ignorant, not to say arrogant rejection of this "Amateuer format. The do, however, long term, so no favors, because the dealer, in addition to HD CAM & Co synonymous HDV sell by the larger volume of small cameras much more long-term profit making. Since leads synonymous with lack of interest or rejection produced semi-ignorant to the fact that HDV products in a fair way not schlechtgeredet be.
These people will be punished by themselves.
Meanwhile, despite all the predictions can be found shouts HDV camcorder such as Z1, XL H1 or XH G1/A1 moving into the professional production business.
Fortunately I know some dealers who Prosumerformat this far more open face and even make that much.
Antwort von Jan:
Ok, this is like that. Thus I must resign myself well.
I might well have been synonymous in the shop, if the chains do not "make flat" would be.
Is it news?
Whether Mr. Biebel still would like to express? - I doubt it, perhaps his words are probably "zerrupft".
Perhaps it is not synonymous properly explain why the mistake happened, na mal schauen.
Well, in the Google search (Active Video) is Slashcam this article already ranks 20 (after a few days).
Sometimes I think, half of Europe reads here with-advertising revenues would have to be quite good, or (Slashcam)?
The operator will probably want to express not synonymous, and indeed about colleagues you do not blaspheme.
VG
Jan
Antwort von jason:
Seems as if you only buy a newspaper, if your camera synonymous with very well tested! Otherwise, scrap the newspaper, right?
So with the next edition, the XH-A1 readers probably no longer exists.
Antwort von r.p.television:
Is it news?
Whether Mr. Biebel still would like to express? - I doubt it, perhaps his words are probably "zerrupft".
Perhaps it is not synonymous properly explain why the mistake happened, na mal schauen.
Not really!
Martin Biebel has responded to me and I gave him synonymous again, but I have of me decided to no longer send emails directly reinzukopieren without that of which I get an approval.
Kernausage of Mr. Biebel was again stressed that he denies that this is the outside influences of a different test result. Next, he stresses that he would have wished him before starting the thread notifies it.
This is what I said then synonymous disclosure. However synonymous In, that in a print magazine, the printed word s.jetzt two months, there has probably must accept that in a forum will get punished. After a correction in two months over the issue but now is enough space and time for untruths.
The test result will now be reviewed. Positive that there is no error in turn is excluded.
Surprisingly, he offered me a collaboration, or consultants to shank. Because I still think about whether I should accept the offer. On one page is it better myself creatively as part of the outside to criticize, but I would wait for results of the tests, because I do not see much sense is with an entity to work together, to a fundamentally assessment or decision comes when I .
Antwort von r.p.television:
Seems as if you only buy a newspaper, if your camera synonymous with very well tested! Otherwise, scrap the newspaper, right?
So with the next edition, the XH-A1 readers probably no longer exists. Of course, this is nonsense!
If you times is it possible my entries here, you can recognize that I am quite certain people a synonymous recommend FX7 or FX1.
I do not handle injured from owners pride.
In this test was something completely twisted.
There was the drive.
Antwort von bento124:
In the VAD February / March 2006 gabs ever a test with the Cams ...
Canon XL H1 84 points
Sony Z1 82 points
FX1 81 points
A1 74 points
HC1 73 points
JVC GY HD 100 73 Points
Antwort von r.p.television:
Unfortunately, until now still no answer of Martin Biebel or other employee of VAD, based on the test results refers.
If, for my taste a bit long .... Especially since you have accused me that I had with the publication of a response to wait.
Until then, everybody forgets what the situation was. I hope this is not sense of silence ... :-(
Antwort von Finn T:
Stay tuned - this is interesting for all!
Finn
Antwort von Ronalda:
synonymous funny in the video list is active in the Proficams the SonyZ1 with "excellent", the SonyEX1 only with "very good" ...
Antwort von Quadruplex:
synonymous funny: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
No - just boring. If something is not clear, ask the editors.
Antwort von Tom Keller Schweiz:
synonymous funny:
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
No - just boring. If something is not clear, ask the editors. The answer is not!
Antwort von tomcam:
@ Ronalda
Leaderboard profit for the cameras, because the hold times is z1 few minutes longer on the market is robust indestructible, eb full refund of the BBC is now being realized with the z1.
I do not understand all this, I've read through the discussion times, is partly similar trains kindergarten, how can one be subject s.einem pull? schärfe not focus?
if your pictures are not sharp, you were not close enough tuned!
I think most of you are but not amateur film and broadcaster,
and especially in the broadcast z1 has a fairly high priority given. I do not talk of germany, I'm talking of the whole of Europe, perhaps even worldwide, and the significance of each synonymous sony should be known, so I do not believe that the ne hobbyfilmerzeitug have to pay so as to get a proper. this is simply ridiculous.
check out the times of movies lionel charlet, all with the z1 rotated because it is only with the mill went, gyroscopes distortion under extreme g-forces, just an aside.
http://www.lionelcharlet.com/EN/en_project_aviation.html
So why such a discussion, just because of a schärfe worth?
In this sense, they remain calm and everything is good I am looking forward to my new z7 and not even waste a thought s.canon :-)
gruss
thomas
Now my z1 is equal but has become quite embarrassed as I put them into persuasive ......... that's true love ................:-)
Antwort von r.p.television:
@ Ronalda
Leaderboard profit for the cameras, because the hold times is z1 few minutes longer on the market is robust indestructible, eb full refund of the BBC is now being realized with the z1.
What is this supposed to be a justification?
So the Z1 is better because they are longer on the market and the BBC uses for EB?
Then we will probably need no new tests / read, but simply use the same material as the BBC.
Then we need no new cameras synonymous because anything long on the market is better.
Damn, why I have only my PD170 and Z1 sells .....
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
As long as the "Test Video Magazine" not to test the associated video clips of typical recording situations on your website to publish or not to disc to enclose the booklet can be as interested readers to the recording quality is not to judge what a large part is crucial for the camera purchase. Exemplary W. Winne makes in his blog at http://www.fxsupport.de/ and its associated test reports in VIDEO MEDIA.
Antwort von Quadruplex:
As long as the "Test Video Magazine" not to test the associated video clips of typical recording situations on your website to publish or not to enclose the booklet disc (..) I think as an idea for good - but only in principle.
Imagine what will happen: If you offer snippets to download, it is the mass of the people, for practical reasons s.PC chart. Then we immediately get rid of the cries, because half the people are not stretching that a PC monitor is not Television. In addition, you do not know whether the various software player (if it is with the various H.264 variants ever come) will not in turn affect the quality. And finally: If you're really a good idea of want to get a camcorder, it needs moving sequences, means that the snippet will be longer and order more. You have to have someone the server or pay for the data ...
Disc on the booklet is synonymous' ne nice thing: But the material of HD camcorders faithfully to present, so it would probably a Blu-ray's. I know the prices are not (and they are now likely to fall rapidly synonymous), but with two to three euros for the disc you have to calculate.
Are you willing to pay more?
Antwort von antje:
@ Rptelevision
everything you read, or only the first line and then frantically searched
dagegenreagiert?
Leaderboard is now ne list which is composed of percentage,
1000 people have ne z1 50% say that it is the best, are 500 voting for the z1.
100 people have ne ex1 100% which they say is the best, are only 100 people.
because I have 600 people which is a verdict, the result .......................
is now only hypothetical, but it works, denk ich mal.
apart from those who buy immediately when something new on the market immediately after the latest test report and that the best?
I sometimes still produce with DigiBeta, is not the newest but still s.markt successful.
gruss
thomas
Antwort von antje:
@ Rptelevision
everything you read, or only the first line and then frantically searched
dagegenreagiert?
Leaderboard is now ne list which is composed of percentage,
1000 people have ne z1 50% say that it is the best, are 500 voting for the z1.
100 people have ne ex1 100% which they say is the best, are only 100 people.
because I have 600 people which is a verdict, the result .......................
is now only hypothetical, but it works, denk ich mal.
apart from those who buy immediately when something new on the market immediately after the latest test report and that the best?
I sometimes still produce with DigiBeta, is not the newest but still s.markt successful.
No:
"The test results of VIDEO AKTIV as help in the purchase decision. The list provides a preview test on some 550 products.
VIDEO AKTIV examine any issue in the tested products strictly according to predetermined criteria. VIDEO AKTIV It builds on a separate, internationally recognized laboratory. The test methods are developed and constantly refined. Thus the most sophisticated test circuit, adapted to the respective product groups.
"
Antwort von antje:
@ Rptelevision
everything you read, or only the first line and then frantically searched
dagegenreagiert?
Leaderboard is now ne list which is composed of percentage,
1000 people have ne z1 50% say that it is the best, are 500 voting for the z1.
100 people have ne ex1 100% which they say is the best, are only 100 people.
because I have 600 people which is a verdict, the result .......................
is now only hypothetical, but it works, denk ich mal.
apart from those who buy immediately when something new on the market immediately after the latest test report and that the best?
I sometimes still produce with DigiBeta, is not the newest but still s.markt successful.
gruss
thomas mal ne ask: why do you want to buy you the z7?
test results / tested myself / because sony is ne / cmos because it has?
gruß cj
Antwort von tomcam:
@ Cj,
because I've tested it myself, because finally there is the possibility to use different optics and because sony standard Zeiss optics used, because the optics is important :-)
cmos or not, the pdw 700 still has ccd chips and is not any worse than something else.
gruss
thomas
Antwort von r.p.television:
@ Rptelevision
everything you read, or only the first line and then frantically searched
dagegenreagiert?
Leaderboard is now ne list which is composed of percentage,
1000 people have ne z1 50% say that it is the best, are 500 voting for the z1.
100 people have ne ex1 100% which they say is the best, are only 100 people.
because I have 600 people which is a verdict, the result .......................
is now only hypothetical, but it works, denk ich mal.
apart from those who buy immediately when something new on the market immediately after the latest test report and that the best?
I sometimes still produce with DigiBeta, is not the newest but still s.markt successful.
gruss
thomas I've already read everything.
But your statement is still wrong!
The test results are not a ranking of how often the camcorder but was purchased or how many people have an opinion.
It is already mentioned above as an actual test result.
Say picture test, tonte, handling, etc.
Just a test and does not hit like the Billboard charts as you believe it.
But yes I do not buy the magazine test! I'm not a herd animal that wants to know what others are buying, but what specifically my requirements.
Also:
If you anführst "CMOS or not ...." which reads as if you look at the CMOS of the Z7 would promise a benefit. If so, give you Rolling Shutter Effect as search term.
Especially with the Z7 should like on the pictures of you linked Page no longer be possible. Since you have to take again a Z1.
I have eagerly synonymous after the Z7 and S270 actually waited. But the first picture tests were very disappointing, regardless of the additional rolling shutter effect, the application in my area a KO criterion.
The CMOS of the Z7 and S270 are light-sensitive than any other 1 / 3 "HD cameras, but their HD picture is once again by Pixel Shift and suffers from certain applications under the RS.
Then more of a EX1. The merits in spite of all their little mistakes and the poor dispersion series the "Excellent" more than the Z1. Unfortunately, it synonymous CMOS.
Antwort von mann:
xha1, z1, z7 - I ask you finally decide, so I can make my purchase.
Antwort von tomcam:
@ Rptelevision
ok then I have the list with the misunderstood.
if my cmos or not, because I just that I no longer sensor of promise, which I said yes, because the latest XDCAM HD, which pdw700 as synonymous not only with planned cmos, but weierhin equipped with CCD chips will .
the z7, just because of the long-awaited change of optics, such as missing to the color correction which is in the z1, which is a point of criticism.
gruss
thomas
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
Are you willing to pay more? Of course, if I apply for a new Camera interested and offered some good material.
And what are you doing now?
Antwort von r.p.television:
Are you willing to pay more?
Of course, if I apply for a new Camera interested and offered some good material.
ditto!
Lieber looking for reliable test footage and more than pay for inconsistencies to pay anything!
If for me about 5 cameras in question, it would be quite costly when all these lenders try. It is good if you in advance thanks to a meaningful test footage and some for a narrower choice can exclude.
Antwort von tomcam:
@ Rptelevision
WRONG !!!!!
better to go either 10 mills test as appropriate for ne nem magazine in which you anzweifelst grad yes, an opinion-forming.
I think you have just a problem with sony, no preference.
I can not be bad about sony comment.
and if I need ne new mill then test me, and I do not see the results of any magazines.
I have the impression that in this forum a lot of talented people access, so as to get to his own choice subject to the requirement of the opinions of others?
A camera images printed on paper? what is this? real?
leute, sampled from the mills and see what you want, everyone has a different application for his mill.
arrogates s.alles you not to do bad, it just makes better!
because there were times DRAKE, why is it not? I do not know, but I find it a pity.
now the same with the red, what will be? Leaderboards? some already. But first wait and see.
In all the tests and gemeckere on bribery and inconsistencies, who are you? filmmakers are thinking about a film critic to make or show what the mill would be best?
gruss
thomas
Antwort von Stallforce:
10 mills ieber test as appropriate for ne in his magazine Hehe, you already after 10 minutes through full ...
Antwort von tomcam:
Hehe, you already after 10 minutes through full ...
exactly what I mean, if you no longer than ten minutes has to face the "full transparency" to them you have to rely on a magazine.
But if one has a little more time and is seriously busy, I test the mills themselves so it is finally not ne bag apples, but maybe at about 6000, - ¬
gruss
thomas
Antwort von r.p.television:
@ Rptelevision
WRONG !!!!!
better to go either 10 mills test as appropriate for ne nem magazine in which you anzweifelst grad yes, an opinion-forming.
I think you have just a problem with sony, no preference.
I can not be bad about sony comment.
and if I need ne new mill then test me, and I do not see the results of any magazines.
I have the impression that in this forum a lot of talented people access, so as to get to his own choice subject to the requirement of the opinions of others?
A camera images printed on paper? what is this? real?
leute, sampled from the mills and see what you want, everyone has a different application for his mill.
arrogates s.alles you not to do bad, it just makes better!
because there were times DRAKE, why is it not? I do not know, but I find it a pity.
now the same with the red, what will be? Leaderboards? some already. But first wait and see.
In all the tests and gemeckere on bribery and inconsistencies, who are you? filmmakers are thinking about a film critic to make or show what the mill would be best?
gruss
thomas What is WRONG here?
You have a different opinion and want a law to make of it!
I will not contradict you. Clearly it is better to try any camcorder itself.
But at 10 pieces ....?
We do not talk of media market models under 1000 euros. I do not know a seller, the 10 camcorder as a demonstrator from the board adopts. If he does, then as a model for his hire. And then he usually wants to see coal.
One or two of your camcorder, it is certainly nothing left when you get to him later synonymous actually buy, but not ten.
Camcorders and ten in the rental cost for each day, depending on model and distributors between 700 and 4000 euros! Apart of rental discounters, where the cameras are not even insured.
And then the stress, the Camera s.einem days completely durchzutesten. Did you really so much time? 10 days? Do you want your holiday to sacrifice?
Since I am more prepared for my 35 euros for me or even more for a magazine test with Blu Ray inside to buy. Then I have rough times 7 camcorder out and the remaining three, I can actually get.
I myself have formed an opinion after experience of others, if I have the impression here is not talking nonsense. The Money and helps to save time. Otherwise would be forums like this and magazines generally synonymous test superfluous.
One must not blindly trust synonymous times and ask what I have done in VAD.
And what brings you to the impression that I have anything against Sony?
Firstly, I have the Z1 for a couple of months and even obsessed with her I was perfectly satisfied. I was then holding the Picture of the XL H1 better because I think it naturally sharp Picture (no pixel shift with Kantenaufsteilung) are better liked.
Secondly, I own a DSR-500 WSP. While I try it for some time by a HD camcorder (XD CAM, DVC PRO HD or even HDV for my sake) to replace. I thought I had in my S270 model, but the picture has a quality like the Z1. As I expect of 10000, - euro. It would be against my XL H1 is a step backwards.
In addition, I work for over 10 years with Sony cameras. I had a DSR-300, a PD150, a SonyVX9000 and a PD170.
So why should I have anything against Sony?
Canon is currently holding to my taste the best camcorder. Without Pixel Shift and CMOS.
Antwort von tomcamkurzalsgast:
with the ten mills was just not responding to contribute, of course, I try not ten, but what I think to want to buy, and there is no possibility to choose between ten.
Of course I get a mill to test if I want it to, if I is a dealer did not exist, it would foolhardy to abandon coal heaps NEN. I rent to me but nothing to test ............
actually it is still a question that I have no newspaper can say what I need and what is good for me, is the maximum ne little guidance for people who do not know so much to learn about what new on the market is. I see that, but I think today has any eh art of journalism's eligibility, whether useful or just the market in order to use what he does not need.
as I said, this is my opinion and should denounce niemeanden devalue or other opinions, or even in question.
gruss
thomas
Antwort von Stallforce:
It's worth it but not about a controversial debate, except there is a dispute Hansel.
Video samples of the cameras would be good, because I have no doubt!
What further checks before the purchase is all his own thing!
Antwort von tomcam:
accurate, and that was my concern, but do not scold yourself to find out .............
gruss
thomas
Antwort von targi:
Video Active, in its latest edition, the revised test results and the ranking awarded. Canon All 3 models are the sharpness criterion to places 1-3.
Antwort von targi:
The question is whether it is synonymous to name a position there.
A simple shunting of places would Magazine by himself in the ranks of the THINGS THE WORLD DOES NOT NEED classified.
Antwort von r.p.television:
Did the new magazines have not seen, because no subscription (more).
I find it synonymous weak that there is sheepishly corrected, but not an error has been pointed out (or does it?) Or why it came about this error.
Antwort von Jan:
It has apologized in the magazines, you must you stop at the magazine - or a better buy. Where the error comes in it is synonymous.
And our Powermac should still feel honored that he has in the journal an article personally receive - well, I know now synonymous Powermac's last name and his profile ....
VG
Jan
Antwort von Quadruplex:
It has apologized in the magazines, you must stop you at the Magazine Since I just wanted a little longer then you: p. 63
Powermac's Sorry - it does hurt again and again:
www.deppenapostroph.de
Antwort von PowerMac:
The name you have to remember!
Antwort von Alex12345:
Is there money back for the faulty Issue?
Antwort von r.p.television:
Is there money back for the faulty Issue? Where I would not go. Just annoys me that I apparently now have a new issue would have to buy so I know about the mistakes of the already purchased will be informed of this issue, although I personally did.
The Lord Biebel has just informed me that I am in the new journal to find a correction. Nothing more.
At least now the whole Tamtam but what brought. Who knows how long or the wrong test results would have been printed. Perhaps, but synonymous, regardless of where my Canon reported, because those, in contrast to me that really hurt.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
Is there money back for the faulty Issue? If it's not irony was (what I am in favor of that money will take time), then drives the mentality GeizIstGeil already adventurous flower ...
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von Dextromethorphan:
Let's look at the church in the village ... Mistakes happen everywhere and always. Otherwise, the digital video asset already ok.
Antwort von Dextromethorphan:
Misprints they say ....
Antwort von Jan:
Well, at least we should be satisfied Powermac.
VAD is likely the strongest pure-circulation magazine video (and audio chip, Still Image & Video) Gorge I try - because there are mixed Magazine - it's nice but an article about himself to read - and then with Picture & Figures.
I have read the current issue only overflown - little time before. The new division like - the content at first glance synonymous.
VG
Jan
Antwort von gonzo23:
Well, I think the book is more for absolute amateurs. I have the new edition synonymous right here in the office next to me and if I'm in the same best-read table that a JVC GYDV5101 "excellent" performs, and a SonyEX1 only "Very good", then compare apples but there with pears, or do not know exactly what to do there. At least as I understand the meaning of the table is not what these two scores to me as a potential buyer say.
Or just on the back: Fats Samsung with their stickers advertising "Video Active WINNERS 'inside. As far as I know the camera does not keep the Comparison with Sony, Canon or Pana with. But the video makes it active, such a camera will still test winner to leave (probably by you in times of an issue only with Sanyo and Aiptek compares).
Who so with his own logo testing and it bypasses rauschleudert for everyone, can I, as a test instance does not take seriously.
my 2 cents ...
Antwort von Quadruplex:
Well, I think the book is more for absolute amateurs. So yes, the test synonymous throughout the professional stuff ...
I have the new edition synonymous right here in the office next to me and if I'm in the same best-read table that a JVC GYDV5101 "excellent" performs, and a SonyEX1 only "Very good", then compare apples but there with pears, or do not know exactly what to do there. Look for: The JVC is of 2005 and a mini-DV model, the 2008 and a Sonyof XDCAM model. The JVC is an "excellent" DV camcorder, the Sonyein "very good" HD camcorder. I must, however, you are right insofar as the professional equipment synonymous quickly after SD and HD should be separated - as they do for the amateur equipment account. Then this confusion would not occur.
But the video makes it active, such a still camera test winner to make There was a comparison between Sanyo VPC-HD 700 and the Samsung. From the Samsung emerged as the winner - with a "satisfactory". So certainly not outstanding - but perfectly legitimate, with the result to advertise. The problem that some manufacturer only with "Test Winner" advertise and accurate details about the test environment and the carpet below, you will find in all sectors ... If you are a customer on a test winning logo leaves and not even in the test reinschaut - which is unlikely to help.
Antwort von Jan:
No question, they speak the amateur world. Starting and synonymous to detour a few times on the Semi Pro & equipment. If a professional test times (I mean well over 10000 ¬ Camera) is often synonymous another editor s.Werk (one or the other know of the true professional magazines) - but it is rare.
VG
Jan
Antwort von TMaekler:
VAD is said to have high-tech laboratory in the synonymous and engineers are working not only to the theme of video technology adopted journalists!
